For a group that has to stick together as Jack claims, they don't like sharing new finds, do they.

The pilots life and death, a secret.
The French signal, a secret
The polar bear, not told to all
The black and white stones, still in Jack's pocket.

Now Kate and Sawyer find a wonderful lake with a beautiful waterfall and some more bodies and they tell no one?

What is with that?

Plus Sayid had Danielle's maps and didn't share with anyone but Jack and Shannon

And apparently they give up on searching for Claire in this episode

With such a small group of people on the island, you wouldn't want to freak out people would you?

We know they still don't really know all of the other cast-a-ways (Claire's epi?) so they don't know how they would reacct. It seems that as they get to know them more they tell them, because they're not fearing their reactions as much.

Ooohh, TWO posts while I typed.

We don't know that they didn't tell anyone, they certainly didn't seem to be hiding the fact that they were looking at maps. Because what's more interesting? Watching Shannon and Sayid try to decipher the maps? Or watching them telling people "oh we have maps with some stuff on it that we're not sure about"

More because of more comments.... Do we know how much time was inbetween each episodes? I agree no-real-Claire hunting was real, but we're not sure how long they were searching.

Of the things you mentioned, I think the only "secret" is the french transmission.

As far as not every person knowing every thing, I'm sure every person does not speak to every other person on the island. If they did, then there would have been no need for Hurley's census.

More because of more comments.... Do we know how much time was inbetween each episodes? I agree no-real-Claire hunting was real, but we're not sure how long they were searching.


I think it was established that each episode covers one ot two days and the whole first season will take place over 40 days or so. If that is right it should only be one or two days since Claire was taken.

About the lake, I was just thinking that I would be telling everyone there was a great place to wash up. No polluting the drinking water like Jack talked about earlier. Also a lot of fun. Stress relief.

Oh, yeah. Locke and Boone not telling anyone what they found, whatever it is.

A lot of secret squirrels on that island. ::)

Ummm, you remember there were dead bodies at the bottom of that pretty lake? Talk about pollution! Maybe not a great place to get clean water.

There are definitely a whole lot of secrets, in addition to the characters' backstory secrets - i.e. Kate being a criminal.

- Only Michael knows that Sun knows English.
- Remember only a few people know about the handcuffs they found.
- Did Jack tell anyone he found his dad's empty casket?
- Obviously, the Boone / Locke find.
- Has Sayid shared the details of his ordeal with Russo with many people?
I'm sure we could go on and on. This one is one of the best:
- Hurley (to Walt): Back home, I'm known as something of a warrior myself.<<

Wonder what his big secret is? ;D

That Hurley statement about himself being "something of a warrior" at the time I think meant that he could eat a lot, and just a self joke about his weight. At least that was my impression.

Ummm,* you remember there were dead bodies at the bottom of that pretty lake?* * Talk about pollution!* * *Maybe not a great place to get clean water.

There are definitely a whole lot of secrets, in addition to the characters' backstory secrets -* *i.e. Kate being a criminal.

-* Only Michael knows that Sun knows English.
-* Remember only a few people know about the handcuffs they found.
-* Did Jack tell anyone he found his dad's empty casket?
-* Obviously, the Boone / Locke find.
-* Has Sayid shared the details of his ordeal with Russo with many people?
I'm sure we could go on and on.* *This one is one of the best:
-* Hurley (to Walt): Back home, I'm known as something of a warrior myself.<<* *

Wonder what his big secret is?* *;D



The bodies could be removed. The water would clean itself. It didn't bother Sawyer and Kate. Even so, why keep it secret?
A lot of people knew about the cuffs since anyone who watched the fight between Michael and Jin saw Sayid cuff the guy to the plane part.

Hurley's is a personal thing we are waiting for a back story to explain. I didn't mean person stuff, just new stuff they find on the island.

True, we don't know who knows about Danielle.
About the casket, well, even we don't know if it was real so who knows what Jack told anyone.

They do all seem to keep their finds to themselves. I just think that's strange. :-\

Good point though, Robinhood56. (I didn't mean to distract from your point - sorry)

You would think that people who are stranded together on an island in a situation like this would work together more and share info.

I think they just don't trust each other yet. Or maybe cuz they don't know each other yet. I would feel weird walking up to a stranger and saying something about finding dead bodies in a lake by the waterfall.....kinda odd.


Jessica

so do you think that Sun is going to share with Michael what she overheard about Kates past.. ?

so do you think that Sun is going to share with Michael what she overheard about Kates past.. ?


Naw, Sun can keep a secret. Only Michael knows she speaks english and she's still playing like she doesn't speak or understand english.

Could cause a problem though later--Sun overheard Kate say there were guns in the case, but was not present to see what actually came out of the case. If the other castaways realize that the case is open, and Sun clues them in perhaps via Michael, the other castaways could turn on Jack and Kate, thinking that they are keeping the guns for themselves.

Ummm,* you remember there were dead bodies at the bottom of that pretty lake?* * Talk about pollution!* * *Maybe not a great place to get clean water.

There are definitely a whole lot of secrets, in addition to the characters' backstory secrets -* *i.e. Kate being a criminal.

-* Only Michael knows that Sun knows English.
-* Remember only a few people know about the handcuffs they found.
-* Did Jack tell anyone he found his dad's empty casket?
-* Obviously, the Boone / Locke find.
-* Has Sayid shared the details of his ordeal with Russo with many people?
I'm sure we could go on and on.* *This one is one of the best:
-* Hurley (to Walt): Back home, I'm known as something of a warrior myself.<<* *

Wonder what his big secret is?* *;D


Have to wait and see.

See the thread about Sun. I think Jack knows, or at least strongly suspects, that she knows English.

I'm not surprised that deception and lying are a big part of the show, just like with Alias. It certainly keeps things interesting.

I was thinking about it thematically, though, in the context of Lost. Maybe there's some kind of comentary being made about the nature of modern society. There doesn't seem to be such a thing as a person's word, or the oath of a handshake, anymore. Everything's lawyers and pre-nups and Enrons and you can't trust anyone. That may be a bit nostalgic, perhaps, but... it seems like a lot of these characters are screwed up because they've been lied to/betrayed, and then they tend to become deceitful themselves. No one is being straight-up with anyone else, except maybe Rose. How can they form a "society" when nobody trusts anyone else, whether it's by outright lying, or just by withholding information from the rest?

Hrm, so much for themes, I'm bumming myself out over here :)

I find it interesting that Hurley knows about Kate too and Kate doesn't know Hurley knows but Jack knows Hurley does and hasn't told Kate that fact. And now Sun knows. And I'd probably win a bet saying Sawyer knows. He at least knows Kate was somehow more connected to the Marshal than any other random person from the plane.

Also, Boone and Locke are not letting people in on what they are doing and at least Boone has them believing it involves searching the jungle for Claire when that isn’t exactly what they are doing.

Now Saiyd is backpedaling with the whole French woman thing when Jack asks him to take him there so he can use her to find Claire. So Saiyd feels like he needs to keep that secret. He already wouldn’t tell Sawyer two episodes back the full story, to be expected I suppose, but not telling Jack is weird.

AHH! So complicated. I love it. :D

Now Saiyd is backpedaling with the whole French woman thing when Jack asks him to take him there so he can use her to find Claire. So Saiyd feels like he needs to keep that secret. He already wouldn’t tell Sawyer two episodes back the full story, to be expected I suppose, but not telling Jack is weird.


I don't think he is backpeddling so much as feeling that Danielle needs to be protected from too much interaction with the group. She seems to be hanging on by a pretty thin tether.

I think Sayid would go to her himself if he felt she could actually help them in some way, but he thinks she is a stone cold nut. He feels sorry for her, but probably doesn't think she is a very reliable source of helpful information.

Robinhood's comment that the bodies in the water didn't seem to bother Kate and Sawyer points to another glitch in the writing. She was totally grossed out (as anyone would be) by the marshall's body but didn't bat an eye when she realized she'd been swimming with bodies that were decomposing. And neither did Sawyer.

I think it was established that each episode covers one ot two days and the whole first season will take place over 40 days or so. If that is right it should only be one or two days since Claire was taken.


In the episode after Solitary, Kate talks about how Sayid has been gone for over a week when it's been 1 or 2 episodes at most. That theory isn't true.

Robinhood's comment that the bodies in the water didn't seem to bother Kate and Sawyer points to another glitch in the writing. She was totally grossed out (as anyone would be) by the marshall's body but didn't bat an eye when she realized she'd been swimming with bodies that were decomposing. And neither did Sawyer.


But was she totally grossed out? Or was it just a ploy in order for her to try and palm the key?

There's so much cross-knowledge that it's hard to remember who knows what. My GF seems to remember that Sawyer found a wanted poster of Kate in either the premiere or one or two episodes later?

The polar bear, it appears only the core crew know about it, along with the transmission.

Sawyer knows about the French woman, as does Kate & Jack.

Locke didn't know about the transmission did he? Didn't Charlie mention it to him or was that the polar bear he mentioned?

Only Michael knows Sun speaks English.

Only Charlie, Jack & Kate know about the pilot and the way in which he died.

There were others in the cave when Sayid returned and said they weren't alone on the island.

It's safe to assume that everyone knows about Ethan now.

good point, whitesapphire.

Yes, it was weird that Kate wasn't too freaked out by the water corpses - but I think she was manily grossed out by the Marshall's body because it smelled awful. That was how I viewed it - her being almost sickened by the smell.

So the real question is why no one acted like that while the fuselage was full of decomposing bodies for several days ;)

But was she totally grossed out? Or was it just a ploy in order for her to try and palm the key?


she wasnt grossed out at all. She was the one who demanded to dig up the body. SHE offered to get it out of his backpocket. SHE pretended to be grossed out by the maggots so she could distract jack whilst she slipped the key into her hand and threw the wallet onto the ground. She's a scheming little **** !! she knew exactly what she was doing!

it seems like a lot of these characters are screwed up because they've been lied to/betrayed, and then they tend to become deceitful themselves.


That's what I've been thinking---most people would probably have bonded more by now, and would share more knowledge with eachother. But to put it mildly, these people have serious issues. It's interesting that early on Jack said that everyone on the island deserves a new start--but no one on the island has given themselves a new start, apart from Locke, perhaps. They have all allowed their pasts to determine what their lives are like on the island--hence all the lying.


Now Saiyd is backpedaling with the whole French woman thing when Jack asks him to take him there so he can use her to find Claire. So Saiyd feels like he needs to keep that secret. He already wouldn’t tell Sawyer two episodes back the full story, to be expected I suppose, but not telling Jack is weird.


I agree that Sayid is backpeddling. He came back claiming there were "others," but later dismissed that comment, saying it was the wind, which makes no sense at all considering Claire and Charlie had been abducted. Part of it might be that Sayid feels badly for Danielle and wants to protect her. But, his priorities should be more on Claire and her unborn child, especially because whoever abducted her is a threat to everyone else on the island. And if he thinks Danielle is completely insane, why bother taking the time to decifer the equations on her maps? Isn't it easier to just go ask her than waste time trying to translate French?

Sayid's actions were bizarre--I guess that just means he fits in with everyone else on the island :laugh:

Kate pretended to be grossed out by the maggots on the wallet to palm the key but the body stunk. Even Jack reacted to the smell. That was genuine. :-X

The time line was set up by JJ not me. It was stated at the beginning that each episode covers a day or two. If it doesn't seem to work out that way, don't bame me. ;)

Robinhood's comment that the bodies in the water didn't seem to bother Kate and Sawyer points to another glitch in the writing. She was totally grossed out (as anyone would be) by the marshall's body but didn't bat an eye when she realized she'd been swimming with bodies that were decomposing. And neither did Sawyer.


Ahh, but they wouldn't have smelled the bodies in the water. I think the smell of rotting flesh was what really got to her and Jack.

I've been keeping a list of secrets since White Rabbit. It's not very well organized (yet) but I think I've captured most of them. Let me know if I need to correct or add anything.

LOCKE:
- Was paralyzed, woke up from crash able to walk. Announced to Walt that he has a secret in Pilot 2 (?) (Pilot 1 and 2, Walkabout)

- Saw "monster" or something in jungle, "the eye of the island" - has mentioned the eye to Jack but not in detail. (Walkabout, White Rabbit)

LOCKE AND CHARLIE:
- Charlie has a heroin problem (Pilot 2, White Rabbit, Walkabout), Locke knows and is holding his drugs (HORS)

- Locke helps Charlie kick the habit (The Moth).

JACK:
- Now knows about Charlie's addiction, but doesn't know that Locke knows. (The Moth)

- Found black and white stones in the burial cave. (HORS)

- Saw his dead father. (White Rabbit)

KATE, JACK AND CHARLIE:
- Saw "the monster" when retrieving the tranceiver. Saw the pilot killed by "the monster" - agreed to keep it quiet. (Pilot 2)

KATE:
- Did something bad enough that she had a reward out for her capture and was caught by the "Marshall". Jack knows she was wanted and under arrest, but not what for. (Tabula Rasa)


SAYID, KATE, SAWYER, CHARLIE, BOONE AND SHANNON:
- Sawyer shot a polar bear, we don't know if this is public knowledge as of Epi 6 HORS

- (UPDATE) In SOLITARY, Hurley makes passing reference to the Polar Bear when he is introducing Jack, Michael and Charlie to the golf course. When he says, "we've dealt with monsters... a polar bear..." Michael looks startled and says in confusion, "Polar bear?" without missing a beat Charlis says, "You didn't hear about the polar bear?"

I figure either Charlie has been sharing is info with Hurley, they seem to be tight, or the polar bear became the subject of underground camp gossip.

- The Frenh Woman Rousseau implies that the bears may have come with her expedition (SOLITARY)

SAYID, KATE, SAWYER, CHARLIE, BOONE AND SHANNON / re: THE TRANSMISSION:
- Heard a transmission from the French Lady, apparently 16 years old. Kate told Jack in WR. Charlie almost let it slip in front of Jack and Locke in HORS. We do not know if Charlie knows that Jack knows yet.

SAWYER, JACK and KATE:
- Sawyer shot the Marshall in an attempt to euthanize him after Kate gave him the gun. The marshall didn't die, Jack apparently finished the job by suffocating him. (TABULA RASA)

SUN
- Was planning to leave her husband

- Speaks English - only Michael knows as of HORS

JIN
- Apparently killed somebody in past, only Sun knows (HORS)

What have I missed? I haven't seen Pilots 1 and 2 yet.

SAWYER
- Was a con-man. His mother was killed by his father in a murder-suicide after being taken by a con-man when SAwyer was a boy. Sawyer became what he hated most. Only Kate knows (CONFIDENCE MAN)

SAYID
- Was a torturer for the Republican Guard. Not so much a secret now that he tortured Sawyer in CONFIDENCE MAN.

- He fell in love with one of his prisoners, Nadia, and believes he may be responsible for her death. He carried a photo of her with the words, "If I don't meet you again in this world I will meet you in the next." written on the back. Danielle Rousseau now has the photo, as Sayid left it there when fleeing her shelter. (SOLITARY).

CLAIRE
- Was told by her psychic that her baby must be raised by her or it would become evil. (RAISED BY ANOTHER)

ETHAN
- We don't know what his secret is yet, or his reasons for abducting Claire and Charlie - but there is definitely something very freaky about the dude. Hurley claims Ethan was not on the flight manifest. (RAISED BY ANOTHER, COWBOYS)

JACK
- His father killed a woman on the operating table when he was drunk. Jack, as usual, feels responsible. He narked on his dad to the institutional review board, likely leading to his father losing his position. (COWBOYS)

LOCKE & BOONE (Cowboys) --> Found a metal something in the ground while searching for Claire, by episode Hearts & Minds it's obvious they have not shared the secret.

HALLIBURTON BOX (Kate, Sawyer, Jack, Sun - Hearts and Minds). Sawyer and Jack knows Kate wanted the box and that it belonged to the Marshall, but not why she (really) wanted it. Sawyer does not know that Jack and Kate dug up the key from the Marshall's corpse. Jack got the guns and ammo out of the box, neither he nor Kate know that Sun overheard them talking so knows about the guns.

KATE'S SECRET PAST: (Hearts and Minds) Through flashback we know she was a bank robber. She says she killed the man she loved, and the toy plane she retrieved from the Halliburton case belonged to him.