How come Kate and Sawyer didn't share the whereabouts of the waterfall with anybody?* Or did they and I didn't catch it?* I would assume that someone would want to know about something so cool.* It would be a nice local swimming hole minus the dead bodies, which could be remedied by giving them a burial.* I could see Hurley doing cannonballs from the waterfall cliffs.*
Sorry if this sounds morbid (the part about the dead bodies).* :o* But heck, if they are going to be around for a while...

I'm sure that was the the main issue in this episode. I'm pretty sure they will tell the other eventually

I think they got caught up in the whole suitcase issue.

Did anyone else think it strange that it hadn't been found yet though? If it was me I would of followed the stream from the caves to see where it came from. Guess too much camping and outdoors in me.

On an off note: I've been to those falls! Miss them so much. :'(

I'll bet that they were just so caught up in the suitcase that it slipped their minds that maybe they should tell others about it.

Jessica

It made me wonder how many other dead bodies were just floating about (no pun intended) :lol2:

Also, sometimes we take for granted what happens 'offscreen'. By the time the next episode rolls around, they may have told other people, and we'll see folks frolicking (okay, not frolicking) around the Waterfall O'Corpses.

Since when does anyone on that island tell anyone else anything useful? Example: Boone & Locke have apparently decided to keep the metal thing a secret for some unknown reason.

Most of the people don't know each other and thoise that do are still learning about one another. Use this board as an example, how many of you, after posting here for a few weeks or months, are running around telling each other all your business?

Sawyer has been hoarding stuff since he crashed, Kate doesn't share a damn thing with anyone so why would either of them tell about the waterfall? They had every chance to bring it up because the case came up enough times so my guess is they won't for a while anyway.

I laughed at Kate and Sawyer's Blue Lagoon Moment with the happy frollicking music until those pesky dead bodies showed up.

Ok I was confused I thought Sawyer and Kate hated each other and there were pretty friendly today. I think Kate knew about the Lake all along and was hiding the case there until the right moment I mean how did it get there? She told Jack they made him check it and they find it under some random peoples chair.

Why would Kate lead Sawyer to where she hid the case? Why not just bury the case? No, I'm sure Kate didn't know it was there.

As to not telling people about the waterfall, I can understand that. First, there's dead bodies there, so until they are removed no one is going to want to swim there anyway. Second, Kate went there BECAUSE no one else did, so there was fruit to pick in the area. Why would she give up her secret food area before she picked it clean?

I don't understand alot of the other secrets though. What could Boone & Locke have thought on their walk back to camp that would lead them to even consider keeping the metal thing secret? What's the downside of them telling everyone "Hey, we didn't find Claire but we found this metal thingy"? If I'm do-gooder Boone walking back to camp and Locke says "hey, why don't we keep the metal thingy to ourselves for now?", I'm gonna say "Why? If anything I'd like help digging it out".

Alot of other secrets on that island are like that, the people have no vested interest in keeping the secret(like Sayid refusing to disclose Frenchwoman's location) but they keep them anyways.

I agree that Kate seemed honestly surprised to find the briefcase--but since I don't trust her I'm only saying this because she made a "surprised" face without looking at Sawyer (therefore no need to look surprised).* In terms of the waterfall, I'm still not sure why they didn't bring the polar bear back to the group to feed on, unless they were afraid they'd freak out.* A waterfall, no reason to freak out.* I figure Kate and Sawyer did tell them, but they they won't "show" it happen (if that makes sense).* Or they will later.* Or Kate and Sawyer never saw the waterfall--it was symbolic (heaven, etc.) of something that they want to find ... (OK it's late and I drank too much Diet Coke =))* I'm less likely to believe that last one; I think they'll all be told about the waterfall and it will somehow be worked into the storyline.

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I think they got caught up in the whole suitcase issue.

Did anyone else think it strange that it hadn't been found yet though? If it was me I would of followed the stream from the caves to see where it came from. Guess too much camping and outdoors in me.

On an off note: I've been to those falls! Miss them so much. :'(


you have? whats it called?

Kate and Sawyer's Blue Lagoon Moment


:lol2:* LMAO!! Love it!

It made me wonder how many other dead bodies were just floating about (no pun intended)* :lol2:


I thought the exact same thing. There's plenty of booty to be collected around the island, it seems. It also made me wonder if there was something behind that waterfall, like a cavern.




I laughed at Kate and Sawyer's Blue Lagoon Moment with the happy frollicking music until those pesky dead bodies showed up.


Nice analogy! Of course, I just gawked at Kate during that scene. ;)




Ok I was confused I thought Sawyer and Kate hated each other and there were pretty friendly today.*


You've missed something. Our Diary Writer has told us that Kate and Sawyer have shacked up together, and I'll have to rewatch the episode, but I think there was something mentioned in there about them sharing the hut as well.

... I'm still not sure why they didn't bring the polar bear back to the group to feed on ...

(1) It's a little heavy.
(2) This was still only day #2 or so, and they thought they'd be rescued soon, and they still had airline food. (OK, that last bit is an argument in favor of rancid bear meat.)

On an off note: I've been to those falls! Miss them so much. Cry

you have? whats it called?

It is called Waimea Falls. It's on the north shore of Oahu. It's the end of a big natural life park. Very very pretty.

I lived on Oahu for 4 years while my father was stationed there. We went to that park all the time.

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I actually got to drive off the Falls a few times, though not quite as high as Sawyer was diving from. I was being a wuss!

I actually got to drive off the Falls a few times, though not quite as high as Sawyer was diving from.


Didn't that mess up your CAR!?! ha ha

Killin' me, backgammon, killin' me.* *:laugh: :laugh:

Seriously, though, I wondered if there might be some "secret entrance" behind the water of the falls. You know, to the underground living area. That might be why Danielle Rousseau said she'd "try to make it to the black rock", eh? (just thinkin')

Why won't they tell them about the waterfall?

Have you forgotten it's full of dead people?

Okay 3 or four may be more. :D

cool, did you go to waimea beach, and jump off the rocks?

It would be a nice local swimming hole minus the dead bodies, which could be remedied by giving them a burial.*

I'd be more worried about diseases from the rotting bodies in the water.

OK, and umm, has anyone wondered why just one or two rows of seats were at the bottom of the lake? Were these people sitting in front of Kate and the Marshall? She said the case was checked, but I'm pretty sure that was (another) blatant lie. So wouldn't the Marshall have put the case under the seat in front of him? If that's exactly where the plane broke off, that's an awfully close call for Kate.

OK, and umm, has anyone wondered why just one or two rows of seats were at the bottom of the lake? Were these people sitting in front of Kate and the Marshall? She said the case was checked, but I'm pretty sure that was (another) blatant lie. So wouldn't the Marshall have put the case under the seat in front of him? If that's exactly where the plane broke off, that's an awfully close call for Kate.


Didn't the case fall out of the overhead bin and hit the marshal? Or am I remembering things that never really happened?

Didn't the case fall out of the overhead bin and hit the marshal? Or am I remembering things that never really happened?


Yes! I was sure I remembered the same thing, but I thought I was going crazy.

Thinking back, I'm also 100% positive it was that case, or at the very least one that looked a lot like it.

It is called Waimea Falls. It's on the north shore of Oahu. It's the end of a big natural life park. Very very pretty.

Maybe the LOST falls are a different place.

The photos in the links you posted look more "straight" & don't have the rock "stairsteps" like the ones on LOST. ALso, the falls on LOST look wider.

I'm sure it's like some other things - they talk about it offscreen. We'll probably see the falls again.

And I think Kate's been annoyed with sawyer, but he's pretty much always liked Kate...

OK, and umm, has anyone wondered why just one or two rows of seats were at the bottom of the lake? Were these people sitting in front of Kate and the Marshall? She said the case was checked, but I'm pretty sure that was (another) blatant lie. So wouldn't the Marshall have put the case under the seat in front of him? If that's exactly where the plane broke off, that's an awfully close call for Kate.


It may have been the case that fell out of the overhead and hit his head, although I haven't looked back to confirm this. But I'm guessing it is and that it probably slid under one of the seats in the back of the plane and then when the back of the plane ripped off, those seats ended up in the waterfall pool. A bit convoluted, but that's what I guess happened from what we know.

It may have been the case that fell out of the overhead and hit his head, although I haven't looked back to confirm this. But I'm guessing it is and that it probably slid under one of the seats in the back of the plane and then when the back of the plane ripped off, those seats ended up in the waterfall pool. A bit convoluted, but that's what I guess happened from what we know.


Or maybe a passing-by alien grapped the case, stopped by to chat with the underground polar bear society, had the case stolen by the others while he was distraced, who gave it to Alex who... uh, yeah. I got nothing. :)

Your explnation makes sense, it is very odd to see it down there if it is in fact the same case.

It may have been the case that fell out of the overhead and hit his head, although I haven't looked back to confirm this.* But I'm guessing it is and that it probably slid under one of the seats in the back of the plane and then when the back of the plane ripped off, those seats ended up in the waterfall pool.* A bit convoluted, but that's what I guess happened from what we know.


Ok, then riddle me this: Assuming its a similar but not the same case that fell on buddy's head, where do you put your carry-on luggage? "In the overhead bin or under the seat in FRONT of you" right?

Interesting that the seats immediately in front of Kate and the Marshall got ripped out and landed a few kms away in a lake, and Kate landed unhurt on the beach, with the rest of the Fuselage.
She also mentioned early on that she saw ALL of the plane trouble/crash. During her plane flashback I don't recall the seats in front disappearing, just the ones behind.

Just sayin'. ::)

Ok, then riddle me this: Assuming its a similar but not the same case that fell on buddy's head, where do you put your carry-on luggage? "In the overhead bin or under the seat in FRONT of you" right?

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Well, the stewardesses usually mention in the pre-flight seatbelt training, tray table safety and overhead bin presentation that bags may shift while in flight. I imagine that's doubly true when the plane's contents are spilled into the atmosphere 14,000 feet up.

Well, the stewardesses usually mention in the pre-flight seatbelt training, tray table safety and overhead bin presentation that bags may shift while in flight. I imagine that's doubly true when the plane's contents are spilled into the atmosphere 14,000 feet up.

Yeah, but it looked kinda like the case was placed there. It wasn't in just some haphazard position. It was right under the guy's chair.

Anyway, we can just say it was a lucky series of events that goe the case there . . . OR was the island presenting the case the Kate, kinda like Charlie's guitar? Maybe she was supposed to pass some sort of test (I'd say she failed though).

Didn't that mess up your CAR!?! ha ha

LOL....that's what I get for typing while half asleep!

cool, did you go to waimea beach, and jump off the rocks?

Yep! Freaked me out the first time. Since the waves the beach goes from like 5 feet of water to about 30 in a shear drop. Thought I would never make it back to the shore after I jumped the first time. We also surfed in the toxic river! (For those who don't know the river that comes off the falls usually gets stopped by a huge sandbar near the beach. Everyonce in a while they break the bar and you get a nice suction wave going. But the water is so very nasty that you really shouldn't, but..has that ever stopped a surfer before? )

Maybe the LOST falls are a different place.

The photos in the links you posted look more "straight" & don't have the rock "stairsteps" like the ones on LOST. ALso, the falls on LOST look wider.

They weren't really steps, but those pics don't show that side very well. They are there. The pics are fairly far away too. It is bigger than that. Plus the rain fall and all that plays an issue as well.

Well, the stewardesses usually mention in the pre-flight seatbelt training, tray table safety and overhead bin presentation that bags may shift while in flight. I imagine that's doubly true when the plane's contents are spilled into the atmosphere 14,000 feet up.


Ha Ha! True dat. Let's also remember that this show makes us suspend disbelief. How could anyone of survived that plane crash. I don't think it's necessary to analyze every little thing.

Yep! Freaked me out the first time. Since the waves the beach goes from like 5 feet of water to about 30 in a shear drop. Thought I would never make it back to the shore after I jumped the first time. We also surfed in the toxic river! (For those who don't know the river that comes off the falls usually gets stopped by a huge sandbar near the beach. Everyonce in a while they break the bar and you get a nice suction wave going. But the water is so very nasty that you really shouldn't, but..has that ever stopped a surfer before? )



hah, awesome man. you should have seen waimiea just a bit ago, they had the eddie akau, hugeness.

wouldn't the dead bodies mean the water may not be safe to swim in or drink... dead bodies left for a while......-------> results in disease..... so surely this water is not safe?! and they shouldn't be using any water that is further downstream of this pool because it would all potentially be harmful..

yes no?!

Could the rocks at the waterfall be "the black rock?'

wouldn't the dead bodies mean the water may not be safe to swim in or drink... dead bodies left for a while......-------> results in disease..... so surely this water is not safe?! and they shouldn't be using any water that is further downstream of this pool because it would all potentially be harmful..

yes no?!


If they remove the bodies the water, which is moving water, will clear itself. It may take a few days but it should be okay. As okay as any water on the island, anyway.

It may have been the case that fell out of the overhead and hit his head, although I haven't looked back to confirm this. But I'm guessing it is and that it probably slid under one of the seats in the back of the plane and then when the back of the plane ripped off, those seats ended up in the waterfall pool. A bit convoluted, but that's what I guess happened from what we know.

I went back and looked. The case that falls from the overhead and conks the marshall was black with silver reinforcing on the edges (and it looks like it had a big orange sticker on one side). Definitely not the same case.

Yeah, I had the same thought and checked.

wouldn't the dead bodies mean the water may not be safe to swim in or drink... dead bodies left for a while......-------> results in disease..... so surely this water is not safe?! and they shouldn't be using any water that is further downstream of this pool because it would all potentially be harmful..
yes no?! Yes. However based on the size of the falls it is a different stream than the one in the cave. The cave is much smaller. Therefore the water in the cave is 'probably' still safe.

Besides, the water in the cave comes from a spring, which is safer to drink than the surface water from the water fall. Surface water has a better chance of getting contaminated from biological sources than groundwater or spring water. (Well at least in a place that doesn't have any pollution sources such as industry and gas stations.)

I wonder if they ever will tell anyone about the waterfall...

i still cant get over the fact that the two seats were so far away from all the other ones! that case MUST have been close to the marshal! even if noone could get into the case it wouldnt be to smart of an idea to put a case of guns too far away... that being said how did his case get way away from the marshal and kate? how did those two seats get so far away at all? its just two random seats!...not near where the other survivors crashed at all. ???

Not so strange when you think about it--the plane *did* break apart at 30,000 feet; the debris field is going to be pretty wide--bits and pieces here and there, such as the bodies Jack found by the caves when he first discovered them.

I don't know. I still think everything looked too nicely placed.

If the Marshall had to check the case in at the gate (because of the guns) then of course it's not going to be anywhere near his body when the plane crashed. It was most likely in the cargo section which doesn't explain how it ended up under a passengers seat ??? Unless someone planned on using those guns to hijack the plane....

Javi said something before like just because it wasnt mentioned doesnt mean the others dont talk about it with each other (not regarding this particular instance) just to save filming time. It is likely that when Kate went to Jack about the case, he asked her where they found it and she told him, but they didnt film that and we are just to assume it happened.

Even with the dead bodies in the water it was not too wise of Sawyer to be swimming with that wound on his arm. I know he was taking Cephalexin (sp?), but still why chance it......oh yeah Kate went in as well, that explains it.