That little airplane looked liked a child's toy. I wonder if she killed a man because of something having to do with a child...her child perhaps?

It just didn't look like something an adult would have as a keepsake... and she looked a bit too broken up about it too; "Oh, my love, you liked this airplane BOO HOO..." She acted more like a mom would, if that toy belonged to a child of hers...

Nahh...there's WAY more to that airplane than some guy she loved. Kate's lyin' again. This time to get Jack off her back.

I dunno about Kate being a mom..
the toy looked like it would have belonged to a kid in the 1950's ... the toy looked like it was a WWII type plane..
but i do dig on what you are saying about Kate still hiding stuff ...
she's still lying to Jack about this...
somethings not right

I would go with Kate having a son and it belonged to him rather than it belonged to, say, her boyfriend. I definitely think she's lying...

That little airplane looked liked a child's toy. I wonder if she killed a man because of something having to do with a child...her child perhaps?

It just didn't look like something an adult would have as a keepsake... and she looked a bit too broken up about it too; "Oh, my love, you liked this airplane BOO HOO..." She acted more like a mom would, if that toy belonged to a child of hers...




I thought that very same thing while I was watching...thought it was just me though....guess not!!

Jessica

yeah, I'm going with she's doing another act. I seriously now cannot trust that woman. He motives are all suspicious to me now. ::)

That is soooo interesting!!! *I would go to extreemes to make sure I had something that belonged to my children if I were stranded like that. *Especially if it were the only piece of them that I had left.

I had this thought in the back of my mind the whole time. But being that the plane looked fairly old I'm not sure. I know my Dad has a bunch of little toys like that still that he got when he was little.

Maybe Kate's father gave it to her son. Maybe they bought it at a garage sale. When I was younger, my parents took me to enough auctions, antique shops, garage sales, and etc. to last five life times. I have a lot of old, little toys like that airplane.

maybe she killed her dad. *it could be his toy plane.

It would also fit in with the daddy issue theme that many characters (Jack, Saywer, Walt/Micheal, Sun, etc.) have.

That is soooo interesting!!! I would go to extreemes to make sure I had something that belonged to my children if I were stranded like that. Especially if it were the only piece of them that I had left.

Exactly! Me too!

And it doesn't matter how old that toy plane is... it could be from a 'special collection' or limited edition or reissue or even a little thing from a second-hand or antique store. Or it could be a hand-me-down from a relative. It doesn't have to look new or be a new style of aircraft for a modern child to own it.

if we're going down this road... gruesome, but maybe she had an abortion or something. and she is still morning her son

maybe she killed her dad. *it could be his toy plane.

It would also fit in with the daddy issue theme that many characters (Jack, Saywer, Walt/Micheal, Sun, etc.) have.


I hope they stay away from the Daddy issue with her. I had to go through too many daddy storylines on Buffy/Angel to last me in this lifetime and the next!

Maybe she was dating someone in the military who knew her dad and he collected vintage toy military airplanes or something along those lines. She might have done something foolhardy that led to his death.

Alane

Hmmm. I don't think so. I get the impression that if she does have a child, he was older than a fetus. Old enough for them to have some history together...

Pulpy Austinite, how can a fetus own a toy airplane? *And, I don't think they would cover abortion on a new show on prime time. *It's a touchy subject.

They would have covered abortion in Raised By Another, anyway.

What if Kate had a brother who died or disappeared at a young age and this plane belonged to him? If it's the plane is old as people think, then it wouldn't have been new when the boy was young. The actress is 25, so let's say she's portraying someone of the same age. The brother could have been older... would that plane have been a toy from the mid 1970's?

The plane is a DC-3 made around 1945. it did have 4 blades missing yet it still had its landing gear. I don't think it belonged to a child, most likely it was her father's airplane.

Are you thinking the toy was made in 1945 or just the real plane. DC-3 toy planes are still being made and I'm not sure the toy looked as old as 1945.

I speaking about the real plane (I goofed it came out in 1935), The toy being a replica of the real plane, I do not believe that a young child would be playing with it. Kate has already metioned her dad is a past episode, I think the toy plane belonged to her father. Maybe he flew it in the war.

Yes but the plane is not what was supposed to be in the safe box, was it?

I don't think so ---

Good ideas I'm reading here.

So in a Danielle sort of way (Danielle using the word "my child" instead of "son", "daughter", or "thing", LOL)... Kate said "the man I loved... the man I killed". She doesn't say "boyfriend", "father", "son", etc.

The plane definitely didn't look like an Oceanic plane like the "plane mobile" in Claire's nightmare. It looked like an older military plane (as so many of you have said). And Kate did say that her father was in the military, but of course "man" is pretty vague so maybe we'll never know. ; )

~Aimee

Looked like a 1940s/1950s iron/die-cast plane toy, reminscent of the old DC-3s... that would have put it in her father's age range for a kid, if this applies at all, or someone of his generation...

Yeah...my 1st impression while watching was that it was her dad's plane and she had killed him...then I thought that would be kinda creepy if she was telling the truth when saying "The man I loved, the man I killed." Just didn't strike me as a father-daughter sentiment...or a son-mother one, for that matter...then again, the woman lies like most folks change skivies, so who knows?

This whole topic made me think, though...wouldn't it be crazy if Sayid and Kate's father had served (opposite sides, I presume) in the same area and ended up in contact with one another?

Wheeeee!

8i8

Well, basically everything I thought of while watching has already been said here so I guess I'm just rehashing old stuff, lol.

I thought it was pretty obvious the plane wasn't what Kate wanted from the safety deposit box. When she revealed the contents of the envelope in the Marshall's case, my first thought was she has a child and she wanted this connection to the child. And finally, no, I don't believe for one minute that she told Jack the truth. I think the backstory showed us she can turn on emotions just like that if it'll get her what she wants.

This was very interesting to read! Hmm but maybe we're not giving Kate enough credit....maybe the plane DID belong to the man she loved (whether he was a boyfriend, fiance, etc) and then she killed.....hahaha who am I kidding this is kate.....she has to be lying....but then again that was a very convincing performance....time will tell...

hahaha who am I kidding this is kate.....she has to be lying....

LOL! I know I clipped your post but this struck me! :D

The toy plane does look 40' or 50's era to me and could have belonged to her father or to a younger person. I think it has deep sentimental value to Kate due to its connection with whoever died. I don't think she has had a child. Her statement about killing the man she loved sounds odd if she was talking about her father. It sounds more like what you would say about a lover. I also feel that her statement that she killed the person she loved does nto mean she directly killed that person. We saw how even in the bank robbery she shot to wound when possible. I think something she did indirectly caused the death. It is her feeling (or acceptin)g responsibility for the death of a loved person that makes her say she killed the person she loved.

I agree Fogey, and still say that one person she may feel like she killed was the Marshal. He died because of her and her actions. Still say that he was her partner or was possibly her father.

I didn't buy the 'Kate having a son' theory, but that certainly would explain why she wants off the island so badly. If I were inher shoes, I'd want to stay there as long as possible.

It occured to me that maybe she didn't actually "kill" this man she loved. Something she did (like the bank robbery) could have devastated this man she loved so much.

Looked like a 1940s/1950s iron/die-cast plane toy, reminscent of the old DC-3s... that would have put it in her father's age range for a kid, if this applies at all, or someone of his generation...*


You think so? It looked plastic to me.

As for Kate being a mother? She's too skinny with NO stretch marks! Can definitely see with her string bikini underwear where the stretch marks would be.

there has to be more to the airplane, she was willing to rob the bank for it

As for Kate being a mother?* She's too skinny with NO stretch marks!* Can definitely see with her string bikini underwear where the stretch marks would be.


Flora, I was thinking the same thing! But it is TVland and all. Anything is possible, even birth without stretch marks.

Adoption?

EDIT: Wow, don't know where that came from.

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I would go with Kate having a son and it belonged to him rather than it belonged to, say, her boyfriend. I definitely think she's lying...


I think we are all jumping the gun here and with all the different takes on this, it just gets more confusing. *And, idiot that I am, I forgot to put a tape in last night and now will have to wait for reruns! >:(
How about that promo for next week? *It looked like Shannon running wildly, and all of a sudden was pulled up in the air. ??? :(
I am much more sympathetic towards Shannon *after last night! *She was totally crushed when her brother said she wasn't good for anything. *What a sweet voice! *That tune is haunting me...it sounded like Bobby Darrin's "Somewhere over the Sea"... :'(

Well, I TiVoed it. Unfortunately, school delays were being run halfway through the episode. I was a bit miffed by this, and I still am :-\

I think the idea of a son is a good one (if he was born premie - she could easily have no stretch marks). Whoever said she wouldn't be sooooo broken up over a lover's toy plane is right, methinks. Also - the fact that the box was #815, and a plane was inside, clearly provides a tie in. More evidence that the survivors were *chosen*.

For some reason I just can't buy that Kate has a son. If the toy was for son or even a brother of hers, why would it be in a safe deposit box she couldn't get into. The envelope being the only thing in the box leads me to believe its contents have a huge significance to someone, and probably to more then one person. Generally you put things in a deposit box that are valuable and you don't want them lost or stolen. Kate had the key so she knows who the person was who valued the envelope, and that leads me to believe whoever she got the key from might be the person she killed if in fact she did kill someone. But the fact that she wanted the airplane so badly makes little sense to me. Not even thinking about whether the airplane was what was in the envelope to being with:
1) Why would the marshall have it?
2) Why would she care that anyone else were to get their hands on it first? A broken toy plane doesn't exactly give much away about her even if people knew it was hers.
3) Even if this plane has significant sedimental value to Kate, why be so mean and sneaky to get it? Who else on the island would have had need for a broken toy plane unless they also valued the airplane as much as her?
What bothers me the most is that they will probably drop the airplane for a while and we are going to be wondering about it for a couple weeks before we get an explaination. Personally its significance is driving me nuts.

If anyone has brought this up in another thread already, I apologize....

But.... has anyone made the connection to a particular town in New Mexico that ties in (kinda) with so much of this show?

ROSWELL.

It's kinda out in left field, but I like the idea of a scavenger hunt Kate is on, and this plane being part of it. If it does have something to do with aliens and/or secret govt testing, and bodies being forty years old, etc., the fact that the plane is from the 40's sort of fits in with everything. How, I have no idea at this point.

I'll ruminate on this some more...

have fun!

Dark Piranha

As for Kate being a mother?* She's too skinny with NO stretch marks!* Can definitely see with her string bikini underwear where the stretch marks would be.


I'm a mother and don't have a single stretch mark and weigh 115, so that can't be a factor in determining if she is a mother or not. ;)

I personally don't think she has a child. It's just yet another stange twist in the ever confusing web of lies that make up Kate.

It did look like a WWII plane.. did the man who she was staying with in Australia survive the crash? Maybe it was his?
If its that then I don't think Kate would be coming back to the States since the banker said welcome to New Mexico.

Also - the fact that the box was #815, and a plane was inside, clearly provides a tie in. More evidence that the survivors were *chosen*.


What's the 815? *Was the flight #815? *I really don't know (too much to keep up on with these boards and show).

The plane obviously isn't *just* a plane, or *just* a toy. *It was in a safety deposit box, with dual keys, and it was the only thing in the box. *It's a key or a clue to something--the object itself probably has little meaning. *Either there was something else in the box that was already taken, and replaced with the plane, or whoever was meant to access the box would know something by seeing the plane...I highly doubt that the plane is at all valuable except for what it may represent.

I think we're just gonna have to wait this one out.

(oh, and I sort of agree with whoever said that the Marshall may be connected to Kate in more than a 'caught ya' kind of way. *Seemed that way to me, too.)