Long time reader, first post so go easy, please. Too me two things that happenned tonight are huge clues. The first is Bernards resting place in the tree. From what we see in the begginning of the episode is the plane crashing coming in from the ocean. Now how in the world in a logical sense does Bernard end up in a tree while everyone else is in the ocean. Plus Goodwin seemed to know exactly where he was and we know now that he was a plant. I guess we are left to assume that Bernard went to the bathroom cloest to the rear of the plane and when the turbulance hit he strapped himself in the first open seat he saw and that is how ended up in the rear of the plane. Ok fine i can buy that, but considering how far he was away from everyone else to me is the writers shouting a huge clue. Not to mention the fact that there is no way anyone could survive falling strapped in two seats and landing in a tree from 30,000 feet with seemingly no scratches while the guy next to him is dead as a doornail. So the only thing logically to say is that he was planted there, i will get to that in a minute.

The list is very interesting also. I forget who said during the show but someone made the notion that after one day there is no way anyone could memorize everyones name and what they were wearing. I mean this isnt like the first day in class where everyone goes around and says there name, yada, yada. So to me this says a couple of things. Since it was an international flight everyone on board would have a passport, which would correctly identify who they were. Second to know what they are wearing is another thing. We have to go on the assumption that all the tail enders will be wearing the same clothes they did the day they boarded the flight and x amount of days before the others came the second time. So to me its highly unlikely that someone at the airport in syndney logged all these people and wrote down the exact clothes they were wearing and furthermore know that those certian 23 people would end up on that side of the island. Too much has to happen for that to be believable. So the only solution we have is this.

The plane crashes and everyone dies, like they should considering the severity of the crash. The others or someone else, are either watching on the beach as the plane crashes and are ready to spring into action. They randomly select to bring 23 people back to life/clone/or something else, because if your conducting an expirement the only way to get the most accurate results is random selection. You need to give the illusion to the survivors that everything they have expierenced is real so dead bodies and people dying needs to happen you cant have everyone survive or only one or two because you will know its bunk. If I recall collectly wasnt one of the darhma projects "life extension" So somehow this ties in. They have everyones passport, so they know who is who plus they know who they are observing because of what they are wearing as a main identifier. They can observe any clothing changes because after a few days you will know who is who by then if your sitting in the weeds watching. Now knowing who is good and bad is another story all together.

So to wrap this up, I think the plane crashed and everyone intially died like they should. X amount was brought back to life/cloned. (although i really dont want it to be clones) while X amount were left dead to give the perfect illusion of a plane crash. Locke can walk because what ever brings them back to life heals them. Which would explain why none of the real main cast had any sever injuries. The people with severe injuries died soon after. Certain people were planted, i.e Jack in the middle of the woods and Bernard in the tree. Why them and no one else, I dont have a clue other than to say it was just completly random or deliberate but what we know so far that can't be determined and there may be others like Kate who have wierd circumstance where they rested after the crash. Well this is just a start so fire away.

The first is Bernards resting place in the tree. From what we see in the begginning of the episode is the plane crashing coming in from the ocean. Now how in the world in a logical sense does Bernard end up in a tree while everyone else is in the ocean.


because the tail end was spinning rapidly and throwing pieces of the plane/people out of it.


Like Jack's [wierd] landing in the middle of bamboo.

are you forgetting about rose, bernards wife? how could he have been planted if she is his wife??

The Others didnt have the list pre-crash. The list was created by Goodwyn after he spent a while there and learned all there names, and the clothing they usually wore was obviously part of that list.

are you forgetting about rose, bernards wife? how could he have been planted if she is his wife??


I mean planted/purposely put up in the tree and or revived up in the tree, i dont mean "the plant" like Goodwin

Bernard could easily have fallen out as the plane was crashing. Remember the space shuttle crash in 2003? Debris was scattered all over the southwestern united states as it came apart.

I think Bernard being in the tree was just a situation created to create tension. It could lead to being another plot point but it really seems to just be the catalyst that caused Goodwin to run to the beach for help which in turn helped Ana Lucia realize that he was dry and in the jungle less than 10 minutes after the crash.

because the tail end was spinning rapidly and throwing pieces of the plane/people out of it.


Like Jack's [wierd] landing in the middle of bamboo.


which means theres even a lesser chance for anyone surviving in that situation which fits what i am saying.

one thing. we have pretty much been promised by the creative forces that be that they didn't die.

Bernard could easily have fallen out as the plane was crashing. Remember the space shuttle crash in 2003? Debris was scattered all over the southwestern united states as it came apart.

Right and I do recall no one even remotly coming close to surving that disaster.

How in the world would Bernard be planted in a tree, with the guy he was sitting next to dead, and be fully conscious again in a matter of 5-10 minutes after the crash? I think TPTB are right, people do nitpick stuff like this too much.

West coast person who wasn't seen it yet (VCR-ing it until I get outta class...) So I'm only going off of your posts...

But I remember doing a book report in...(what was it?) 7th grade (I'm 5th yr college now) where there was a plane crash. There was a whole chapter devoted to a guy who was stuck in a tree & how he could get down w/o breaking his neck. So I could see it. each row of seats flew off as the plane went down too. I still remember this one passage where the guy could only wait as he saw row by row disappearing & getting closer & closer to him until he soon flew away from the plane too!

I forget what book though... one of those pre-teen books... I wanna say it was by the same author as Face on the Milk carton but I can't confirm that...

one thing. we have pretty much been promised by the creative forces that be that they didn't die.

well they are not currently dead so sematically they are right. And I've read a lot about what the creative forces that be have said about the show and playing on words is what writers do. If I recall correclty they said "killing a female would be silly at this point, blah blah blah they are so hot yada yada yada" Everyone just assumed that means that it wont happen but in actually nothing there suggests that it wouldnt happen.

I agree that the list was made by Goodwin after he "got to know the tailies".
Goodwin said he was in the peace corps - interesting?

I do think that good means "good", like without baggage. All of the other losties have terrible stories where they are "bad" people or do "bad things" , so they are not taken.

They have to remain on the island safe from the others until they redeem themselves.

Bernard and Rose could very well have done something they needed to repent for.

Also along those lines...Why was walt taken when he was? Maybe he hated MIcheal so much and had so much anger that until he let it go and confessed to burning the original raft down he was redeemed and thus, taken.

Also, Claire's baby - He is innocent, unless the others are republicans and don't believe in premarital sex and thus he is a bastard. Watch, Aaron will get baptized and then stolen!!!!!

So we know who is being taken, now the "why" part!!!

I think Cindy could be resposible for the list, and here is why I think that
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=26342

How in the world would Bernard be planted in a tree, with the guy he was sitting next to dead, and be fully conscious again in a matter of 5-10 minutes after the crash? I think TPTB are right, people do nitpick stuff like this too much.

First of all I dont really consider this nitpicking. When Im sitting a room with 4 other people who all look at each other and say "hey something is not right about that". nitpicking is making some bs assessment that a little black spec in scene 3 of epidose 4 was flying by over the ocean while kate was half naked was indeed the monster. Or taking a screen cap piece by piece of shannon bleeding from her stomach and trying to analyze the tear patterns to indicate that metal shaft was shoved in her stomach instead of a bullet. Just think about how you can stage a crime scene anything is possible with the right resources.

if you think that the show is based on everyone on the plane dying, then the show's whole plot, hints, etc fall apart. sorry njvol27, but there is no way that everyone died in the crash and was later "revived" and bodies were placed on the beach and people were later killed off just as a "show" to be more convincing. it just wouldnt make any sense with all of the other things we have seen.

they didn't die...and this is more of a theory than anything else

if you think that the show is based on everyone on the plane dying, then the show's whole plot, hints, etc fall apart. sorry njvol27, but there is no way that everyone died in the crash and was later "revived" and bodies were placed on the beach and people were later killed off just as a "show" to be more convincing. it just wouldnt make any sense with all of the other things we have seen.

From what we have seen so far the others havent killed anyone directly. Boone died from the plane falling, shannon was shot, Eko killed two others in self defense, ana killed one trying to save the childre, joanna drowned in a riptide, the pilot got killed by the monster, artz blew himself up, ethan killed some dude...now i may give you that one if Ethan is an "other" then yes it would be foolish to bring people back to life only to kill them agian. But we know nothing about him yet. The others didnt come to the beach to kill anyone all they did was take people. They were killed as a result of the tail enders reactions. They could have came back at any time and killed them if they wanted too. All the deaths we have seen so far unless i missed one were all circumstancial and unless the others are munipulating every situation which is highly unlikely then these deaths would have nothing to do with people being brought back to life for an expirement. And we already know there are expirements ongoing on the island.

If you watch the extras on season 1 the authors say that Jack being found in the bamboo at the first had no significance and people were looking at that too closely. i think this is the same for Bernard being in the tree.

they didn't die...and this is more of a theory than anything else

Yes it is a theory. But I have yet to see anyone give a logical suggestion how that many people would survive a plane ripping apart at 35,000 feet in two with one section cartwheeling through the jungle. If you know anything about physics and how the world works it is impossible to survive something like that. If this show holds its foundations in science/psuedo-science like we have been lead to believe then there needs to be some kind of theory to how these people survived. If it wants it foundations in Faith/Supernatural where really anything can be possible then yes you can formulate all sorts of crazy things to why everyone survived. I would rather it be the latter but from what we have learned so far this season everything is pointing towards science in one for or another. Maybe my roomates and I are the only ones who thinks the plane crash itself/circumstances of them surviving is suspicious.

maybe bernard IS a plant?????? think about it. rose has been very calm while she's been on the island. maybe her and bernard were meant to be separated and the fact that the crash didn't guarantee them their safety has left him wondering if she made it out ok.

paranoia runs high because i find myself second guessing rose and bernard. it's making me wonder who is an "other" or a "them"......

I thought Bernard was supposed to be in the bathroom when the plane went down...that's why he was separated from Rose? Then how did he end up in a plane seat at the back of the plane?

He was using the "facilities" in the tail of the plane. This was mentioned several times IIRC.

If this show holds its foundations in science/psuedo-science like we have been lead to believe then there needs to be some kind of theory to how these people survived. If it wants it foundations in Faith/Supernatural where really anything can be possible then yes you can formulate all sorts of crazy things to why everyone survived. I would rather it be the latter but from what we have learned so far this season everything is pointing towards science in one for or another.

I think the show is going for a mix of science and faith. Heck, just look at the title of the season premiere. I think that many aspects of the island will eventually be explained in terms of Dharma's "science," but that believing in the inherently inexplicable will also prove to be a main theme--why else would we have so many bizarre coincidences in the character's inter-related backstories? The island seems to be a lightning rod for the miraculous---just as I believe that Locke could suddenly walk, I believe Bernard ended up in that tree.

because the tail end was spinning rapidly and throwing pieces of the plane/people out of it.


Like Jack's [wierd] landing in the middle of bamboo.

You're assuming Jack landed in the bamboo. He could have been dissoriented, wandered into the woods, then passed out.

But Bernard ending up in a tree is pretty wild. The guy next to him could have been alive until they bounced off a limb. Or he could have died from flying debris before those seats ever left the plane.

How does anyone survive a plane crash that brutal....we saw how fast that thing hit the ground/water. So how could anyone survive and how could the majority of the people be in pretty much perfect shape, not even broken bones. Seems like an act of God or faith as opposed to a deliberate experiment. Even if you brought these people back to life they should still have huge injuries.

ah, this may seem totally stupid to say, but i was soooo disappointed bernard wasn't stuck in the toilet in the tree. hahaha, man,that woulda been silly grand.

oh, and i think the other's definition of "good " isn't moral - they want people who will not disrupt the group. that's why goodwin killed nathan and not ana. nathan was all "ego" - ana was "superego". i think this is an indication the others believe they are building a utopian society -- of cooperation.

We saw the tail of the plane go into the water, but back in the pilot we saw the tail end break off and what if some of the rows of seats at the tear fell out after the tail section and followed it down, except that being a matter of seconds behind it meant it could land in the trees instead of in the ocean? So what if Bernard got out of the bathroom and into an empty seat near the tear of the plane? Just a thought...

p.s. Ana did a nice job of talking Bernard out of his seat just in time.

Doesn't anyone find it interesting that Ana works out that Goodwin is an Other because he came from the forest and was dry. But Bernard was also in the forest and was dry. If he was younger and more spry he could have safely got out of that seat alone and headed to the beach.
So Ana's logic for killing Goodwin doesnt really add up, she just got lucky.

How did people survive? The magic of TV!! As much as I want to puzzle this show out using all kinds of logic, I always have to use TV logic instead. People die because it moves the story in one way or another. The plane crash didn't kill them because it's way cooler if they survive it. Simple as that. All due respect (and I totally get wrapped up in this stuff too), sometimes you have to let go and just watch the dang show.

I totally second that. I tried to watch closely last night for "hidden" clues and the like and found myself missing out on the bigger things the episode was trying to tell us. Sometimes things are as they seem, and we learned that with Shannon's death.....

Doesn't anyone find it interesting that Ana works out that Goodwin is an Other because he came from the forest and was dry. But Bernard was also in the forest and was dry. If he was younger and more spry he could have safely got out of that seat alone and headed to the beach.
So Ana's logic for killing Goodwin doesnt really add up, she just got lucky.

Goodwin stated that he was on the beach and heard Bernard yelling. That clearly conflicted with the fact that he was dry and came running from the woods. I think Ana's logic was pretty solid.

Another question, maybe for a different post, but here goes: Why did Goodwin keep pushing Ana to go up the tree to help Bernard. Did anyone else find that odd. He kept saying, "We need to go up and save him", and Ana kept saying no.

I think that the sounds we heard right before we saw the tail section fly bye and into the water have something to do with alot. It could be the sound of a "rip" or "opening" in a time warp or a wormhole or something like that. It could explain alot; like why the survivors injuries were somewhat minor.

First of all I dont really consider this nitpicking. When Im sitting a room with 4 other people who all look at each other and say "hey something is not right about that".

LOL!!!! so if i have other people there nitpicking with me it means that i am not a nitpicker.... that is so great.

Throw a handful of rocks down the road and than ask yourself why they didnt land in a pile

Ever try to rescue ANYTHING from a tree? Most of the time the fire department is called even for a kitty. How in the **** could Ana climb a tree and rescue a fully overgrown man? That's one powerful woman....

Doesn't anyone find it interesting that Ana works out that Goodwin is an Other because he came from the forest and was dry. But Bernard was also in the forest and was dry. If he was younger and more spry he could have safely got out of that seat alone and headed to the beach.
So Ana's logic for killing Goodwin doesnt really add up, she just got lucky.

no, she did not just get lucky. she accused. he admitted and then she stuck a bamboo pole through his chest.

Doesn't anyone find it interesting that Ana works out that Goodwin is an Other because he came from the forest and was dry. But Bernard was also in the forest and was dry. If he was younger and more spry he could have safely got out of that seat alone and headed to the beach.
So Ana's logic for killing Goodwin doesnt really add up, she just got lucky.

I think the point with Goodwin was that he SAID he came from the beach/water, but then was seen coming out of the woods totally dry. Ana didn't put it all together (as she explained) until he told her that he initially came from the beach and then went into the jungle.

LOL!!!! so if i have other people there nitpicking with me it means that i am not a nitpicker.... that is so great.

Throw a handful of rocks down the road and than ask yourself why they didnt land in a pile

Despite your giant bolded laugh, I think you totally missed his point. Generally when someone is nitpicking about something, it's something small that most people don't notice. If all four people in the room thought the same thing, then it's probably not something small and obscure.

I don't see 99.9% of the small stuff that people on this forum find every week, yet both me and the person I was watching it with kind of looked at each other and wondered how the heck a guy falls 35,000 feet and lands safely in a tree with no injuries.

She didn't get that lucky picking Goodwin... she was wrong the first time. :confused:

Doesn't anyone find it interesting that Ana works out that Goodwin is an Other because he came from the forest and was dry. But Bernard was also in the forest and was dry. If he was younger and more spry he could have safely got out of that seat alone and headed to the beach.
So Ana's logic for killing Goodwin doesnt really add up, she just got lucky.
yes that's half of it, but the penny dropped when she asked him wherere did you end up after the crash, and he answered on the beach like the rest. Thats when she knew he was lying because he came out of the jungle dry. She had him there.
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which means theres even a lesser chance for anyone surviving in that situation which fits what i am saying.

I agree....Reemeber Jack wasn't on the beach. He was several feet away in the jungle. That is why I never questioned whether or not Goodwin was an other until AL exposed him. It seemed logical that to me, like Jack, he ended up in the woods somehow.

Right and I do recall no one even remotly coming close to surving that disaster.

That's my thoughts. There is no way in the world these people should or could have survived. As I've said in earlier posts, the writers better come up w/ some pretty good info to make me really believe that these people were able to not just live through this crash, but be able to get up and walk around. They should all be a smear on the island or ocean floor.

How does anyone survive a plane crash that brutal....we saw how fast that thing hit the ground/water. So how could anyone survive and how could the majority of the people be in pretty much perfect shape, not even broken bones. Seems like an act of God or faith as opposed to a deliberate experiment. Even if you brought these people back to life they should still have huge injuries.

The writers have again and again stated they are not dead.

As to surviving a plane crash that violent-----well sure if this was an actual crash-----many horrible injuries IF anyone survived, however, a TV show about survivors of a plane crash stranded on a mysterious island would not be too interesting with no survivors.

Ok How did this thread go from "the list" to why or how anyone could have survived the plane crash?

There is another thread with speculation on why these names were on "the list" it's called the good ones

I heard from some official writting, by someone I forget who... but it said that all the people are alive, do exist, and are on the island. Basically there was a planecrash and people that survived it are now on the island. There is no mysterious thing going on, yet.

I heard from some official writting, by someone I forget who... but it said that all the people are alive, do exist, and are on the island. Basically there was a planecrash and people that survived it are now on the island. There is no mysterious thing going on, yet.

Polar bears on a tropical island----monsters knocking down trees and killing the pilot--- hatches with buttons to be pushed---The Black Rock-----whispers heard with no one there to be seen----Walt appearing and talking backwards---just to name a few.

Nothing mysterious yet? Really?

Just as the hatch with Desmond may be a psychological experiment, so too may the plane crash. If it involves Libby the psychologist or Cindy part of the crew, then the list might make even more sense. The point is that the crash and how people survived it without major injury were the very first questions we as an audience were presented with. I do not believe that we are supposed to simply write it off as "oh it's just a tv show, it doesn' have an explanation nor does it need one." Maybe we should also just write off Locke seeing Boone in a dream that showed him "Theresa runs up the stairs", or ghost Walt, or any other of the dozen or so things that don't make sense on the surface just because "it's a tv show." I think how these people survived is central to the secrets of the island and all the weird occurances. Certain people being brought back to life seems as plausible as any other theory I've heard out there.

From what we have seen so far the others havent killed anyone directly. Boone died from the plane falling, shannon was shot, Eko killed two others in self defense, ana killed one trying to save the childre, joanna drowned in a riptide, the pilot got killed by the monster, artz blew himself up, ethan killed some dude...now i may give you that one if Ethan is an "other" then yes it would be foolish to bring people back to life only to kill them agian. But we know nothing about him yet. The others didnt come to the beach to kill anyone all they did was take people. They were killed as a result of the tail enders reactions. They could have came back at any time and killed them if they wanted too. All the deaths we have seen so far unless i missed one were all circumstancial and unless the others are munipulating every situation which is highly unlikely then these deaths would have nothing to do with people being brought back to life for an expirement. And we already know there are expirements ongoing on the island.

What about the guy killed in the fist or second show. They found him with a bunch of stab wounds?

How does anyone survive a plane crash that brutal....we saw how fast that thing hit the ground/water. So how could anyone survive and how could the majority of the people be in pretty much perfect shape, not even broken bones. Seems like an act of God or faith as opposed to a deliberate experiment. Even if you brought these people back to life they should still have huge injuries.

I seem to recall a plane crash in OHIO a few years back the plane lost all hydrolics and slamed into the runway, split in two or three sections, flip over a few time in a fire ball. and they had 30to 40 pleople walk away from the crash including the piolt.

I seem to recall a plane crash in OHIO a few years back the plane lost all hydrolics and slamed into the runway, split in two or three sections, flip over a few time in a fire ball. and they had 30to 40 pleople walk away from the crash including the piolt.

Which is exactly how people can survive plane crashes you need someway to absorb the force. There is a huge difference between a plane crashing onto a runway then one breaking apart at 35,000 feet where there is no way to slow down the momentum of the plane. If its traveling at 500 mph then the people are also traveling at 500 mph with no way of slowing down until that momentum is stopped. So simply put if poor Bernard just happens to get tossed out the back of the plane while in his seat He, the seat and the other guy are all going to hit that tree at 500mph they are pizza stains on the island. Im not a Physics guy so if I butchered this example please correct me, im only going off what little i know about physics. If you get thrown out a car going 70 your in big trouble, will you survive? Yeah theres a chance but going 500mph, theres not a chance in hell. So that means there is a very specific reason these people are alive and kicking, whether they died intially and were brought back to life or went through some wormhole located 300 feet above the island, or some God used his will power to land them down safely..fine that implies there is a reason. To say hey "its TV, so its possible" is absurd and if that is the final answer I will be severly dissappionted because the writers have done such an amazing job to date.

What about the guy killed in the fist or second show. They found him with a bunch of stab wounds?

Im not sure I know who your talking about here?

Nice idea, but it's been said that they have not died hasn't it? I believe it's just random and was used as a way to introduce Goodwyn into the story.

Like Jack's [wierd] landing in the middle of bamboo.
That's, like, a perfect example of begging the question.

Yay! My one hundred and eleventieth post!

I have three points to make:

a) I don't think that it is likely that Goodwin gave the names to his buddies. His appearance was a matter of convenience (or inconvenience?) It's not like he busted out a notepad and starting writing in shorthand. They had the names. They expected the plane.It is entirely possible that some Dharma pencil pusher was at the airport taking notes. For all we know the pilots are in on it (since they flew right towards Craphole Island Golf Resort and Day Spa). And yes, I will defend my hairbrained theories to the death!

b) no one is what they seem, you don't know who anyone really is. There are biarre connections People showing up in other peoples flashbacks, affecting (or is it effecting??) other peoples lives, etc. etc. You never know who could be responsible for the crash.

c) ever hear of quantum physics? There is a chance that every possible outcome will occur in a given situation. If you push your finger into your monitor long enough there is actually a chance that your finger will proceed, unscathed. through the screen. Improbable? yes. Impossible? No.

d) (oops I guess this is four...) as far as I could tell Bernard had it better than the other tailies, since he did not have as far to fall. Nor did he fall in the ocean, where you could drown, or a shark can eat you.

A few things:

1.) If Ethan is an other, than he left Charlie to die and he killed Scott/Steve (can't remember which). So the others HAVE directly killed someone on the island.

2.)Arguing about people survivng a catastrophic plane crash on a tropical island that has polar bears, smoke-monsters, and magically cures bald cripples is silly. Hell, Jack even points out how strange it is they survive with minor injuries, fairly early on. I think they all realize how they should not have survived, and Bernard being stuck in a tree is no more unbelievable than Jack awaking in a Bamboo field remarkably unhurt.

The writers have again and again stated they are not dead.

As to surviving a plane crash that violent-----well sure if this was an actual crash-----many horrible injuries IF anyone survived, however, a TV show about survivors of a plane crash stranded on a mysterious island would not be too interesting with no survivors.

I wasn't saying that they are dead. I was basically trying to debunk what someone else said about how they have been brought back to life, I don't think that is the case at all. I think they are all perfectly alive and well, but how is the question because they shouldn't be.

Can I be a bit speculative? Perhaps the co-pilot (or even the pilot we met briefly before the monster got him) was the cause of the crash. I know, i know, the producers have stated that none of the passengers caused the crash. But perhaps the pilto was responsible for bringing "fresh meat" to the Island.

Yes it is a theory. But I have yet to see anyone give a logical suggestion how that many people would survive a plane ripping apart at 35,000 feet in two with one section cartwheeling through the jungle. If you know anything about physics and how the world works it is impossible to survive something like that. If this show holds its foundations in science/psuedo-science like we have been lead to believe then there needs to be some kind of theory to how these people survived.

The writers have again and again stated they are not dead.

As to surviving a plane crash that violent-----well sure if this was an actual crash-----many horrible injuries IF anyone survived, however, a TV show about survivors of a plane crash stranded on a mysterious island would not be too interesting with no survivors.

i agree with you. i think that at some point, we just have to suspend our disbelief for some things that we cannot possibly hope to explain without extreme speculation - none of which is usually from canon. clearly, there is a reason the plane crashed, and there is also a reason people are still alive. whether both of those reasons are merely for the sake of there even being a show at all, or whether the explanations tie into part of the scientific rationale behind the logistic workings of the show remains, imho, to be seen.

This came up in another thread, so let me see if I can paraphrase some of the other thoughts on it. Not to answer this definitively--nobody should have that much arrogance to believe they are RIGHT about their theories!

The thought on the other thread was that there is a time delay between when the plane crashed and when the people came to. One of several explanations came to light in the discussion about this.

First, this is a time warp. Somehow, the plane's descent or impact was lessened greatly as the plane popped out of the time warp.

Or, this is a time/space warp (a theory I've always ascribed to), perhaps part of Danielle's experiment, perhaps not, that caused the plane to crash on the beach.

Third, and another theory I like a lot, once I rewatched season one and heard the line Claire uttered that is now my signature line: Either the plane was ensnared by some group on the island (I think we all agree by this time that, whatever their initial origins, the Others are not now the same people as Dharma) or not. Whichever it is, the people were cloned using DNA--you could find that in hair on hairbrushes. Why they had to use hair, I don't know that. I'm just speculatin' here.

What significance "good people" has for all this, hard to say. I'll leave that to more active imaginations to speculate. But I do remember Claire's psychic saying about the fictional adopters in LA that they are "good people." Something else that makes you go "hmmmm!"

During WW !! there were at least 2 cases of people falling from planes and living through what should have been a deadly fall if Jack lived through landing in the bamboo Bernard can live through landing in a tree. (I think in real life no one would ahve made it - but then we would not have a show)

My question is more about how did Ethan and Goodwin both know where to wait for the plane chunks to land so they could join the survivors?

i didn't read all of this but i'm not sure why people go SO crazy over people surviving the plane crash.

First off, apparently there is some reason for the plane crash that will be explained later this season, it very well could explain why some people survived.

Secondly, there's a weird black smokey monster, people that walk without a sound and don't leave tracks, whispers that appear out of nowhere and carry on weird conversations, most likely 6 scientific research stations burried on a weird island with crazy magnetic forces (Which one of them has a button you have to press every 108 or the world ends), a guy that can magically walk again, a kid that seems to always roll whatever number he wants on a dice, and maybe even create things around him and recent has been appearing out of nowhere. With all these thigns people nitpick "how did people survive a plane crash?". It's just another weird thing in the show that may be explained or may just be a crazy incident

Third, if no one survives, we have no show, therefore they must survive, or else... we have no show.

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/lep.html

delete this post if its been put up already, but they have an article associated with the life extension project now

((moved the whole comment to the Critics about Lost thread. Sorry if it was OT))

Ok How did this thread go from "the list" to why or how anyone could have survived the plane crash?

There is another thread with speculation on why these names were on "the list" it's called the good ones


Good point. Lemme' try and bring this thing back to topic.

Goodwin said, " Nathan was not a good person. That's why he wasn't on the list." It seems obvious to me, especially with the time of the year we are approaching, that Goodwin is under the delusion that he and the Others are working for Santa and are the keepers of the "naughty and nice" list. I am sure ABC was screaming for some holiday stuff to be tossed in, so this is the writers' way to accomodate that demand.

We all know that Santa doesn't advocate abduction, so we'll just have to chalk it up to the locals adapting the holiday to their particular culture's customs.

IMHO.

I seem to recall a plane crash in OHIO a few years back the plane lost all hydrolics and slamed into the runway, split in two or three sections, flip over a few time in a fire ball. and they had 30to 40 pleople walk away from the crash including the piolt.

07/19/89 United Airlines Flight 232, loss of all hydraulic controls, Sioux City,Iowa ...

What was interesting is one of the survivors watched taped footage of that crash on tv from his hospital bed and said "There is NO WAY anyone could have survived THAT!" He didn't even know it was the crash that he himself had just lived through. He thought it was another crash.

There were people who came walking out of a nearby cornfield..completely unhurt.

Right and I do recall no one even remotly coming close to surving that disaster.

Touchè! But this is a television show.

But this is a television show.

Anyone who drags out the tired "it's only tv" line, then acts all high and mighty, as if the rest of us don't know that, loses credibility.

Anyone who drags out the tired "it's only tv" line, then acts all high and mighty, as if the rest of us don't know that, loses credibility.

Okaaay....I didn't think I had any credibility to begin with since I'm not a contributor to the program, and know nothing more than any other fan. I am simply an anonymous, occasional poster on these message boards, and I have just an opinion, the same as any other viewer, and which is now, at least for this thread, cheerfully withdrawn. I defer entirely to you on the subject, Count Chocula. :smile: