I know some of you must read this thread title and think "no duh", but this is actually the first time we see a part of the plane physically fall from the sky into the ground. In season one, there was a debate if there ever really *was* a plane crash, but I think its becoming pretty apparent that it did happen and, somehow, by some freak of nature, a ton of people survived...

Any thoughts on this?

I bet the writer's were thinking "This will really throw everyone's speculation in a loop!".

Maybe this is just what they us, as the viewers, to believe happened?

Hah, the debate wasn't limited to season 1. I read a really good theory yesterday, and part of it said that the survivors were cryogenically frozen and then placed on the island 3 years later with plane wreckage.

The thread that links to the theory is here:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=26036

Still a fun theory to read, but after this episode, I'm pretty sure that there was a plane crash.

I heard from Kristin that it was Hurley's fart that sent the tail section ripping away from the rest of the plane. :biggrin: :biggrin:

Was I the only one that's jaw dropped at that opening scene? I guess I'm a sucker for disaster/ plane scenes, but still, seeing that thing crash into the water was a sweet intro to the episode.

Yeah, Arad, that was pretty sweet. :biggrin:

Yeah, I'm consistently amazed at what the visual effects people do on this show. Kudos to them. You don't see them do many big special effects shots, but when they do them they are always awesome.

The speed with which the plane hit the ocean and the debris (including the seat that flew towards the camera, whiping the screen to black) flung out of it... there's no way a human body would survive that. Let alone 23 of them. Hell, a body can't survive a free fall from that height.

Don't get me wrong, the scene was VERY cool. But they were asking a lot of us to believe that so many people survived a crash at all. I think it was a wise move to only show the aftermath of it in the Pilot episode, because that scene just pulled me right out of the show's reality.

i was one of the people with the "maybe there wasnt a plane crash" theories. at least it was more interesting to me if there wasnt one. I still stand by the fact that it was not all chance, that they were chosen to be on the island.

Given that I never saw the details from the first season (discs are on the way --go netflix). I'm thinking sabatoge. the planes loses contact, is drawn towards the island (they've got a giagantic eletromagnetic *something* at their disposal) and is either shot down, or "brought down" by people/software/??? on the island. Would explain why people were waiting for them. Does not necessarily explain how people didn't die, but given that this is all supposed to be "believable", I'm finding it hard to imagine all of the extra-science fiction theories that I've seen. Is it that these people have been assembled for a reason, and brought to the island. Or were they simply brought to the island, and NOW things are happening for a reason.

Does not explain at all Locke's legs, but that may have just been a spinal thing. We don't know how he lost his ability to walk yet. at least I don't think we do.

I can't believe there was an actual crash. AL was concerned with Bernard falling from a tree, but falling from the sky and crash landing was ok? It makes no sense. If this is the route the writers decide to go, i want one heck of an explaination as to how that many people survived that type of a crash...

I thought the same thing - so there was a crash after all!! No, we don't know what happened to Locke that put him in a wheelchair, but I think we find out this season. It could just be psychosomatic.

I think we also find out why the plane crashed this season, at least thats what it said in an interview with the producers that i read.

I think we need to call in the MythBusters from the Discovery Channel and have them stage a plane crash to see how Buster survives.:grin:

Well, I guess there are a few things to point out...

We didnt actually see anyone die from the plane crashing. We do see lots of bodies washing around, but we never see anyone die DIRECTLY from the plane crash. The only debris we get a good look at in the sequence is a seat from the plane bouncing off the beach and "hitting" the camera, but that seat was empty. It's inferred that everyone on the beach washing up, including Bernard in the tree, had come from the plane, but we dont really see any of that. There was a plane crash, but we havent seen anyone on it while its actually crashing. It sure seems like common sense to assume that they were on the plane, since it slammed into the water and thats where all the survivors came from. But factually speaking, we never see the plane with anyone in it when it hits the ground. *I* believe they are, but we just dont see it.

Just picking the scene apart..haha.

Was I the only one that's jaw dropped at that opening scene? I guess I'm a sucker for disaster/ plane scenes, but still, seeing that thing crash into the water was a sweet intro to the episode.

Sweet?? What is wrong with you people! :o I found it so traumatic. It was difficult to watch. I know it's just TV. But after all the horror we've had to view in the past years...and every time in season one when they showed a flashback to the crash...I thought...haven't we seen enough devastation?!

That said...I did find the way they shot the tail spinning into the water....well....interesting! And the sound...that was spine-tingling. :hypocrit:

I don't know how a person could survive that either, but maybe the writers want us to believe it was a miracle or faith that allowed them to live because those people on the plane that are still survivors are destined to be on this island to say, uncover a huge mystery that may save the world (sort of like "The Stand").

That's the whole point of this show. There is a reason only some survived and that they did survive. The island brings people to it. The rest of the show's point is to explain why.

Be patient young grasshoppers.

I don't know how a person could survive that either, but maybe the writers want us to believe it was a miracle or faith that allowed them to live because those people on the plane that are still survivors are destined to be on this island to say, uncover a huge mystery that may save the world (sort of like "The Stand").

I'd kind of like to think the same thing.

sier (http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/member.php?u=14922) beat me to it.

All we saw was a plane's tail section hit the water and some debris fly around. Then a bunch of people woke up in the water and one woke up in a tree.

I think we need to call in the MythBusters from the Discovery Channel and have them stage a plane crash to see how Buster survives.:grin:

It was already done. I remember seeing an episode where they lifted an airframe section up to about 2,000 feet with a helicopter and dropped it (yes... with Buster sitting in a jump seat).

Buster didn't fare so well....