Ana said that Goodwin came out of the forest 10 minutes after the plane crashed. How did Goodwin know that the plane was going to be there? Did Goodwin have advance knowledge that the plane was going to crash? Was the plane hijacked/sabotaged for the purpose of crashing on the island? Do the Others have a radar station? Ground to air military weapons? Excellent episode.

Yes, without a doubt he did. Matter of fact all the Others knew. Goodwin (I keep calling him Goodman) was placed to infiltrate and track the Tailaways, and Ethan Rom was placed to infiltrate the Lostaways. They knew the when and the where of it.

I'm leaning towards the idea that he knew as well. I think its relatively safe to say that the plane did not crash there accidentally...


and the producers have said that we are going to find out why the plane crashed by the end of this season. Can't wait!!!!

Why would you assume that he "without a doubt" knew the plane was going to crash?!?!?

He didn't know. He showed up "ten minutes" after the crash. If he knew he probably would have been more prepared to make himself look like a real plane crash survivor. Instead he came running out of the jungle bone dry like he'd never been on the plane at all.

The Others heard the crash and sent a couple of their people to investigate. Ethan Rom went to the front-ender's and blended in. Goodwin went to the tail-enders.

Why did it take ana so long to realize that he had come out of th jungle bone dry? To bad she was too busy blaming that other guy. It got him killed. Thats 2 people now who's deaths she's responsible for. I guess thats why she says that cindy is on eko.

Why would you assume that he "without a doubt" knew the plane was going to crash?!?!?

He didn't know. He showed up "ten minutes" after the crash. If he knew he probably would have been more prepared to make himself look like a real plane crash survivor. Instead he came running out of the jungle bone dry like he'd never been on the plane at all.

The Others heard the crash and sent a couple of their people to investigate. Ethan Rom went to the front-ender's and blended in. Goodwin went to the tail-enders.

Except for one thing. The tail end section of the plane landed FAR away from the mid section of the plane. The Others cannot be that numerous to be spread out that far on the island. Lets not forget this island is rather large. If there were that many Others. They could have simply overran both camps with numbers and taken them totally off guard.

The Others knew the plane was coming down. And here's another kicker for you....

The note. Unless somehow Goodwin got that note to the others, how did they know the names to match up with the clothing of the people they took.

You have to assume that they knew. To walk out dressed and cleaned up to fit in with the survivors after the crash, Goodwin and Ethan had to be ready go when the crash happened. To be ten minutes from the crash site you'd have to have a clue the crash is going to happen.

You have to assume that they knew. To walk out dressed and cleaned up to fit in with the survivors after the crash, Goodwin and Ethan had to be ready go when the crash happened. To be ten minutes from the crash site you'd have to have a clue the crash is going to happen.

Exactly! While you can say that perhaps Ethan found the luggage of someone and got clothes from there, since we don't know how soon after the crash he merged with the Lostaways. But we know that Goodwin was there within 10 mins. Dressed appropriately enough to blend. Tidy clothes, SHOES (remember the ones that Ana and Eko killed were shoeless) and just seemed to have a tidy hiarcut. So why was he wearing shoes when they other Others don't?

He had to have known.

I think Nathan was an other and Goodwin gave him the note to deliver, that's why Nathan was gone two hours "going to the bathroom". As I said in an earlier post, I believe Goodwin killed Nathan because he knew Nathan would talk if Ana attempted to cut off his finger. Why didn't he just let Nathan go? Because when Nathan asked where the beach was, that was to let us know that some of the others are very naive, only knowing what they are allowed to know so they can do tasks for the group of others Goodwin belongs to. His usefullness was over, so he killed him.

just a quick thought. when desmond became stranded on the island the guy in the hatch [his name fails me, sorry] came running from the jungle and took desmond back to the hatch just in time to type in the numbers. maybe there is a connection between the hatch-dwellers and the others [that's a stretch]. also maybe that "security system" that makes the jungle shake has some kind of radar or something. if that is the case, maybe that is how the men on the fishing boat knew where to find the raft to take walt.

Yeah. That note's an important clue. You wander how close the rest of the "Others" are. Seems to me that Lost is really starting to get good. I just want to know where Desmond went.

The front-end Losties didn't have any run-ins with The Others for quite a few days though, right? So, it's possible that they only went after the tail-end survivors at first, for whatever reason.

Goodwin had to have known in advance to be dressed the way he was. I think it took a week for Ethan to infiltrate because there was such a great distance between the Others base camp and the fuselage crash.

Nathan was NOT an Other. Why did Goodwin kill him? Why wouldn't Goodwin have just let Nathan escape after helping him out of the pit? Why would Nathan want to return to the beach instead of go back to the rest of the Others?

The answer is that Nathan was NOT an Other and Goodwin killed him and then hid his body so that Ana and the other tail-enders would think that he escaped.


As for Ethan and Goodwin both showing up dressed to fit in, we never found out exactly when Ethan merged with the mid-section survivors. We know Goodwin showed up 10 minutes after the crash. The Others definitely attacked the tail-enders sooner than they did the mid-section survivors. In fact, they didn't really attack the mid-section survivors in the same way they did the tail-enders. They could have been very close (within 10 minutes) of the tail-ender's crash location. 10 minutes is enough time to hear/see the crash, find some clothes, run to the site and then come out of the jungle. Since we don't know when Ethan merged with the mid-section survivors we can assume that he merged a few day's after the crash. There were enough mid-section survivors that his absence early on could have gone unnoticed. That was the whole reason why Hugo wanted to do the census. No one knew anyone else.

I don't think that Nathan was a other either. I think that he just didn't want to follow along w/ Ana Lucia's rules. And i agree that goodwin had to kill him, but what i wonder is if Nathan wouldn't have said he was going to the beach, would Goodwin have killed him anyway?

I'm pretty certain that the others knew the plane was going to crash, but what i want to know is why were the others so well shaved with nice haircuts. They just didn't appear very savage. Also, they apparently are literate and they speak in a perfect american accents... so bizzare...

I don't think that Nathan was a other either. I think that he just didn't want to follow along w/ Ana Lucia's rules. And i agree that goodwin had to kill him, but what i wonder is if Nathan wouldn't have said he was going to the beach, would Goodwin have killed him anyway?

I'm pretty certain that the others knew the plane was going to crash, but what i want to know is why were the others so well shaved with nice haircuts. They just didn't appear very savage. Also, they apparently are literate and they speak in a perfect american accents... so bizzare...

I agree Aphasia, also the 'Others' that came at night, the ones that Mr. Eko killed and the one that Ana killed, seemed to be shoeless and scruffy and so different from Goodwin and Ethan. I wonder what gives with that?