Sun overheard Kate and Jack's conversation, specifically the "you're the only one who knows about me" line, and the contents of the case (guns! ammo!)- does anyone think she's going to "use" this information in the future? It's just too juicy to keep to herself! Though I know that in the next episode or two Kate and Sun become "girlfriends"- I believe on spoiler said something to the effect of- Kate finds a confidant in Sun, but what of the guns! So far only Sun, Jack, and Kate know about the guns and bullets. Interesting?

I loved that Sun was just hanging out in the background, listening to Jack and Kate's conversation! I dunno what she can do with this information though. She's going to have to come out to more people that she speaks English if she really wants to share it.

On a side note, Jack looked like a buffoon screaming at Sun, "What are these plants good for?" or whatever he said. And then she responded by pointing at her head. Should Jack start wondering if maybe perhaps she knew what he was saying?

On a side note, Jack looked like a buffoon screaming at Sun, "What are these plants good for?" or whatever he said. And then she responded by pointing at her head. Should Jack start wondering if maybe perhaps she knew what he was saying?


No kidding! Good catch, Sapphire!


Though...I guess she can tell Michael about it and not blow her cover? LOL!

I've wondered the same thing.

Why are they all so ignorant to the thought that she can understand English enough to respond to them when they ask her something, but she can't speak it at all?

What is interesting is the fact that that she knows about the guns and she knows that Kate has a huge secret she is hiding. *The question is which is more significant. *Kate's past could be used against her later which is why Jack has been nice to keep it to himself, but obviously now Sun knows that there are guns and that Kate was with the Marshall. *Sun is flying below the radar because only Michael knows she can speak english. *Sun is going to be very important somewhere down the line.

Sneaky little thing, isn't she? :lol2: And Jack didn't exactly "yell" at her about the plants, he was actually gesturing to them while asking the question. Even if she didn't speak English I think it would be fairly logical for her to understand what he was trying to ask, especially since she has already used plants to help someone.

Sneaky little thing, isn't she? :lol2: And Jack didn't exactly "yell" at her about the plants, he was actually gesturing to them while asking the question. Even if she didn't speak English I think it would be fairly logical for her to understand what he was trying to ask, especially since she has already used plants to help someone.


But he asked "headache?" and she nodded. :blink:

Note what it says about Sun's character (her character's moral character) that she left so she could not eavesdrop anymore. *She heard enought of the convo to know that it is something private she was not meant to hear and left the area. *I thought that was cool

I agree, Sun was attempting to be respectful.

Anyone else find it ironic that the only married couple on the island are responsible for the "headache" bonsai tree?

Did they edit out the intimate scene where Jin rolls over, nudges her, then Sun rolls away whispering "not tonight, I haven't found the right plants yet".

Anyone else find it ironic that the only married couple on the island are responsible for the "headache" bonsai tree?

Did they edit out the intimate scene where Jin rolls over, nudges her, then Sun rolls away whispering* "not tonight, I haven't found the right plants yet".
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Note what it says about Sun's character (her character's moral character) that she left so she could not eavesdrop anymore. *She heard enought of the convo to know that it is something private she was not meant to hear and left the area. *I thought that was cool


Sure, that's possible and I like it... but its just as likely that she'd "heard enough" and was either scared by the info, didn't want to APPEAR as if she were evesdropping (even with language barriers you can tell when two people are whispering - and the whisperers know it) OR wanted to share the info she DID hear right away... we just haven't seen it yet. Sharing could be to Jin or Michael....

Anyone else find it ironic that the only married couple on the island are responsible for the "headache" bonsai tree?



Was that feverfew?

What is interesting is the fact that that she knows about the guns and she knows that Kate has a huge secret she is hiding. The question is which is more significant. Kate's past could be used against her later which is why Jack has been nice to keep it to himself, but obviously now Sun knows that there are guns and that Kate was with the Marshall.

I'm not entirely clear on how Kate's past could be used against her.

If they are rescued, they can be sure everyone's name and 'past' will be known by the authorities, it's not like if they were rescued now Kate would be allowed to just walk away free.

If they aren't rescued, threatening to tell other castaways that she is a criminal hurts Kate how? Other than being embarrassing, but even then none of those people mean squat to Kate so what would she care what they thought? And she already knows that Jack and Sawyer don't care, those are maybe the only ones that matter.

I don't get it.

Where's Sun?

First post here after coming over from the ABC boards.

The rub here is that Jack knows now that Sun understands English.

Jack asks what the plants are for; Sun replies in Korean, then gestures with both hands to simulate a headache; Jack points to his temple with one finger - a gesture that could mean a lot of things - but when he asks, "Headache?" Sun acknowledges it! At that moment, Jack realizes that Sun understood him, and therefore likely can understand English.

Too bad he found out just before Kate came in and started talking about her tainted past, and the case with guns. So Sun knows about those things, and Jack knows that Sun knows. But he hasn't yet shared his discovery with Kate (or anyone else).

The plant looked like Rosemary
---Medicinal Action and Uses---Tonic, astringent, diaphoretic, stimulant. Oil of Rosemary has the carminative properties of other volatile oils and is an excellent stomachic and nervine, curing many cases of headache.
Plus it will add to dinning pleasure
Tonight we will be serving
Boar ala Rosemary

But he asked "headache?" and she nodded. :blink:


Even when you don't speak a language, you may be able to infer a handful of words. I don't speak French, but I know at least a dozen words of the language. Through the course of their conversation, it would have been easy to pick up the context.

I would agree ;D

Anyone else find it ironic that the only married couple on the island are responsible for the "headache" bonsai tree?

It doesn't surpise me that the Koreans would be able to find the plants for all sorts of ailings. It is in their culture (I believe) to be more herbal and earthy in healing and I believe they are taught these things from the time they are young. Because of her knowledge of these things, I think it is only a matter of time before SUN takes over as lead doc. 8)

It doesn't surpise me that the Koreans would be able to find the plants for all sorts of ailings. It is in their culture (I believe) to be more herbal and earthy in healing and I believe they are taught these things from the time they are young. Because of her knowledge of these things, I think it is only a matter of time before SUN takes over as lead doc. 8)

I'd have to disagree on that one just by my own experiences. I've been married to a wonderful woman for 15 years who is Corean, was stationed here in Corea with the US Military from 1987-1991, and have been living here as a civilian from 1999. I say that to say this .. I haven't seen that in their culture, while there are plenty of herbal shops around here there are just as many in the US. I believe that skill may have been true of non-modern Corea just like it was for our ancestors to live closer to nature than we do. Many Coreans live in huge sprawling urban cities very similiar to NYC or Houston or any other large city. My wifes mother could probably do what Sun is doing but not very many people under the age of 50 could do it. I think Sun may be a novice herbalist more so than it being her culture... maybe got started in it as a hobby as a young child or after she got married and Jin was neglecting her.
My two cents anyway :)

Jorok....

Just to keep you out of trouble...

unless I'm forgetting about another country...

Make sure when you write Korea for your wife, you use a k instead of a c

Might keep you out of the doghouse :)



***and for my 2 cents, I think that Jin is a good person and would possibly only use the guns for defense in the future. OR, maybe she slips the info out to her hubby somehow, and he gets the guns....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


-Grendel

Grendel: Thank you for the concern.

But Corea was the original English spelling of Korea and one which many Coreans/Koreans are reverting back to and is used by many countries around the world when
refering to The Republic Of Korea.

This quote is taken from The Institute for Corean-American Studies in reference to why '"K"orea is used today.

"The name "Corea" actually originated from the Goryo dynasty (10th to 14th Century, pronounced "Gor-yuh"). That name was actually a shortened version of Gogoryu, which was an even earlier dynasty representing Corea. Through Mongolian and Western contact, the Corean peninsula gradually became known as Goryo which was pronounced as "Goryuh" which was eventually written down in Latin and French as "Corea" or "Coree" (because that's what it sounded like).
The K-spelling was adopted by English and Japanese translators by the early twentieth century, and solidified during the Japanese Occupation of Corea (1910 to 1945)"

If you're actually interested in learning exactly why it was changed - look at this site which takes excerpts from many other sites and original documents. It also has links to many good sites that deal with all things Corean.
http://www.medeasin.com/coreaspelling.htm

Peace :)

Jorok,

I stand (or in this case sit) corrected.

I was suprised by the blatent misspelling, to be honest. Now I know why. Thank you for the info, and for teaching me my one new thing of the day.

Now I know, and knowing is half the battle.



-Grendel :)

I don't think Jack has figured out she speaks english. I have plenty of Vietnamese friends and they'd have conversations around me all the time. I know only one phrase. Yet I could constantly stun them when I'd figure out what they were talking about. It's all about body language. Maybe Jack thinks that.

For those who've had plenty of experience with body language (cough Sayid cough), they may figure that it's more then that, but with Jack I don't think so. Maybe if the same conversation occured with Kate I'd be thinking something different.

Although I only speak english, Ive had many friends who speak other languages, and they feel comfortable speaking in their mother tongue, while I'm hanging around. (Primarily during my years in high school). I'm quite used hearing words I don't understand and when i try and communicate with those who don't speak english i know yelling is not the way to go. Usually gestures work

When these same friends on the rare occaission spoke in there mother tongue in public in school you could see people were stunned, and surprised and worried about what was being said since they didn't understand it. Jack comes across to me as one who has not much exprience with one who does not know english, and probably wouldn't be able to tell when one is faking or not.

I can imagine that Jin would be able to communicate well with Sayid or Shannon since they''ve had experience with that sort of thing.The rest of the cast aways would probably just try speaking louder. I know Sayid is pretty sure Sun knows english and I'm sure Sahnnon would be able to figure it out too.

No kidding! Good catch, Sapphire!


Though...I guess she can tell Michael about it and not blow her cover? LOL!


It's not that big of a stretch for Jack to believe she just understood him from signing and the basics of communication. She was holding herbs, he is a doctor - it's only natural that he'd want to find out what she was doing.

Sneaky little thing, isn't she? :lol2: And Jack didn't exactly "yell" at her about the plants, he was actually gesturing to them while asking the question. Even if she didn't speak English I think it would be fairly logical for her to understand what he was trying to ask, especially since she has already used plants to help someone.


I don't think she's being sneaky to hide her english skills from the lostaways in general, but to hide it from her husband.

We know she wanted to get away from him. We know that she learned english in secret to do so. We know he's got a nasty temper, violent tendencies, and have reason to believe that he would be furious and potentially violent if he discovers her secret. He's obviously very possessive and controlling of her.

She puts herself in jeopardy if she outs her secret. Michael understands that and thus he's keeping it with her.

Was that feverfew?


More likely willow.

First post here after coming over from the ABC boards.

The rub here is that Jack knows now that Sun understands English.

Jack asks what the plants are for; Sun replies in Korean, then gestures with both hands to simulate a headache; Jack points to his temple with one finger - a gesture that could mean a lot of things - but when he asks, "Headache?" Sun acknowledges it! At that moment, Jack realizes that Sun understood him, and therefore likely can understand English.

Too bad he found out just before Kate came in and started talking about her tainted past, and the case with guns. So Sun knows about those things, and Jack knows that Sun knows. But he hasn't yet shared his discovery with Kate (or anyone else).


I disagree. I don't think he's put two and two together yet, as I said more or less in my PP.

I agree with the folks who said that Jack doesn't know about Sun--he doesn't strike me as being all that intuitive, and if he'd figured it out when talking to Sun, I think we would have seen a "lightbulb" moment, which we did not.

Someone posted that Sayid could probably figure it out--I totally agree. With his background he should be very adept at reading people. I'm not sure how much interaction they've had at this point, though. I also think Kate could figure it out, if she hasn't already. She's a master manipulater, so she can probably tell when others are hiding something.

I just hope someone else finds out soon---otherwise the Sun/Jin storyline is going to get very boring, and I really want to see them interacting more with the others--not to mention eachother.

Now that they know Sun is good with 'herbs', I wonder how long it will take till Hurley makes a bong out of a coconut and tries to ask Sun what 'herbs' on the island are smokable?

Now that they know Sun is good with 'herbs', I wonder how long it will take till Hurley makes a bong out of a coconut and tries to ask Sun what 'herbs' on the island are smokable?*



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