Anyone else find it interesting that Sun now knows that there are several guns on the island but no one else knows that she knows?

And what would happen if Jin found out?

I don't think she'll tell Jin. If Sun is going to be Kate's buddy, I wonder if she's going to ask how to kill the man she loves as well?

What in the world was a single US Marshall transporting a bushell of four?!?!? Sig Sauers' for? What justification did I miss in the dialogue? It sure as heck wasn't evidence from the robbery, or her subsequent capture in AussieLand. BTW this was an overall weak episode, (merely setup for next week) strong in the begining but petered out fast...and guess what? Jack is getting pretty sadistic, shades of a vigilante cowboy type, not a troubled neophyte doctor/healer/surgeon. Sorry to rant, but I waited a long time for this episode and I was disappointed. I suppose if I can master this suspension of disbelief thing I will be happier.

PS-My spoiler radar tells me that the brother is 'turned' , not Locke, and the sister is a very tasty, low fat lunchable. Locke suspects/senses the kid brother's new identity, and, butt strokes him with the Arkansas Toothpick all the while alien spawned velociraptors (genetically modified by Dr. Morieau) feast on the well marinated (SPF15) brat.



Thank you for tolerating a LOST fanboy rant!

I wonder, was there anyone else who thought, "oh how convenient. The gang now has weapons for protection. very convenient..."

They might be Kate's gun's but the bullets are deffo the Marshalls.* The box states for law enforcement only.

The gun in the holster might be the Marshalls and the others Kates.* It's not unsual for a Marshall to carry two guns, maybe he was only allowed to carry one on the plane and lock the others up in the case.

The question is, how many of those guns will take the bullets in the box.

In TV land all bullets and interchangeble with all guns.
It does seem to be an excess of firepower. I can't see Kate carrying around guns while she is on the run in a foreign country. Wouldn't she have tried to use them to escape from the Marshall when she was turned in by the farmer?

Or maybe there was more than one marshall? *The marshall wasn't alone when they caught Kate, there were other marshalls. * *The others couldn't take their guns on the plane so they put them in the case and checked the bag. *Remember kate saying all the trouble they had getting on the plane with just one gun? *She probably didn't mention the others, because that would tip Jack off that she is a dangerous criminal and not some kind of less dangerous or white collar criminal.


Also, anyone else notice that she said there were 4 guns in the case? *Not "some guns," not "several guns" *but FOUR guns. *There's that number again......

Or maybe there was more than one marshall?


Wasn't the case found under the seat of one of the bodies? I found that odd, because I would have thought the case would be with the marshall. Maybe that was another marshall....

Wasn't the case found under the seat of one of the bodies? I found that odd, because I would have thought the case would be with the marshall. Maybe that was another marshall....


Don't people normally put their carry-ons under the seat in front of them? Maybe Mr. & Mrs. Rottingcorpse were in the row in front of Kate and the Marshall.

They might be Kate's gun's but the bullets are deffo the Marshalls. The box states for law enforcement only.




How do we know Kate isn't in law enforcement? She certainly is good with guns...

I have a little bit of experience in this issue, so let me clarify as to why I am a wee bit baffled. At least as far as the FAA is concerned, any firearms that are not already being carried in a on-duty capacity (i.e sky marshall or US marshall escorting a prisoner) would be checked into a suitable storage container (The show got that right) but not allowed as carry-on luggage. Hell, just carry the guns on board, on your person then.

Ammunition was Law Enforcement tagged Winchester SXT /Ranger white box type...realistic enough.

Marshalls extraditing or recovering a fugitive would have domestic/resident cops present for liason and back-up. That was my impression when they caught Kate. I did not pick up on anyone else being an American except our "crab-chow" deceased marshall.

More Marshalls would mean more guns-fine. But it was intimated that only the now decomposing and stinky corpse was the only LE present on the flight. I am believer in back-up guns for on-duty work, but four full size Sigs?!?!? If she is that dangerous and wanted, I suspect more (bigger)firepower would be transported.

Trust me on this-with high risk/profile fugitives the good guys will bring beaucoup stuf (and people)f, not just a bunch of pistolas'.

They were not hers, she was travelling pretty damn light in her efforts to evade in AussieLand (Good luck trying to procur weapons in Austrailia)-and seeing her propensity for violence would indicate she would use whatever force needed to accomplish her goals (Look at 'da pretty toy plane, wee! It sure was worth knee capping a bunch of goons, decieving everyone, and risking a bunch of innocent civillians!) Kate might be easy on the eyes, but I don't care for her character at this point (She is a fine actress, however) Also, remember the polar bear aftermath. "How do I unload this thing?" dialogue. Was she trying to deiceve everyone, and to what point? Don't foget her complicity/willingness in issuing a coup de grace to the suffering marshall (Although Sawyer has the honor of botching the job).

There better be something of huge and relevent worth inside that toy, otherwise it was a silly plot turn. BTW all of the guns makes for less suspense. If I want gun play I'll check out a John Woo flick. LOST is a sucess because of the supense and twists. Next week should be better-not every episode can be a four star experience.

Claire and baby? Who are they? <sarcasm> The survivors do not seem terribly concerned over this grossly troubling turn of events. Considering the horrible events they have weathered so far, I am still concerned why they have not mobilized to find her en masse. There are tangible outside threats, besides the intangible ones.

Are we dealing with a bunch of sheep? If you look like lunch...you will get ate.

See ya

Please excuse the syntax & grammar mistakes-I can get a little ham fisted with the keyboard!

I wonder, was there anyone else who thought, "oh how convenient.* The gang now has weapons for protection.* very convenient..."
Actually my thought was more along the lines of: Oh they now have fire power for use in the attack on the underground bunker in an effort to rescue Claire ::) Geez they find they have a human enemy and the very next episode lo & behold they find weapons :P*

Umm SinePari - re guns. What about the Marshall having a full size pistol in an ankle holster? He must have walked a little funny :lol2:

Actually my thought was more along the lines of: Oh they now have fire power for use in the attack on the underground bunker in an effort to rescue Claire ::) Geez they find they have a human enemy and the very next episode lo & behold they find weapons :P


My thoughts were more along the lines of "Oh (explective)! Now they have guns to kill each other when they all go crazy with island fever!"
I guess I'm a glass is half empty sort of person ;)

Umm SinePari - re guns. What about the Marshall having a full size pistol in an ankle holster? He must have walked a little funny :lol2:


Fogey-

It would not be a problem if you were Dolph Lundgren or Shaq. Ankle holsters are best designed for smaller back-up weapons. Ankle holsters are a nuisance at best, except when you are driving. Foot pursuits with a ankle holstered gun usually=lost gun or punting the gun 25 yards towards the suspect.

The piece of fuselage lodged in his gut helped to correct his gait! (boo-hiss...)
Hope that helps!

My thoughts were more along the lines of "Oh (explective)! Now they have guns to kill each other when they all go crazy with island fever!"
I guess I'm a glass is half empty sort of person ;)


haha me too!

well i'm completely anti guns because they just invite stupid accidents and crazy behaviour.. when they turn psychotic and start hallucinating... these guns will aid in catalyzing the destruction of this little castaway community. sort of reminds me of the last chapter from alex garlands 'the beach' novel. where they all go insane and start killing eachother.. and enjoying it profusely... eek.

haha me too!

well i'm completely anti guns because they just invite stupid accidents and crazy behaviour.. when they turn psychotic and start hallucinating... these guns will aid in catalyzing the destruction of this little castaway community. sort of reminds me of the last chapter from alex garlands 'the beach' novel. where they all go insane and start killing eachother.. and enjoying it profusely... eek.


Well... hey, if they go crazy at least the weaker characters'll survive? ;) I mean, I love Sawyer + co. but I hope Charlie, Sun, Hurley, Walt, etc. get their chance to beat people up too! :angel:

I know Kate said that the marshall had to check the suitcase with the guns but it was found wedged under the seat of the other passengers.I thought that the marshall was hit in the head with something that fell out of the overhead baggage compartment that looked like the haliburton suitcase. I don't have tapes of that episode. Could someone who does check and see if I am making this up or really remembering it? ??? ??? ???

Well... hey, if they go crazy at least the weaker characters'll survive? ;) I mean, I love Sawyer + co. but I hope Charlie, Sun, Hurley, Walt, etc. get their chance to beat people up too! :angel:


well i suppose thats one interpretation on this scenario! give the little ones a gun and they'll have just as much chance of survival? But really. by introducing guns .. more problems will be created, not solved.

but then it's exactly that reason why i think these guns have been laced into the plot.

Island crazy? People with out guns were killing each other for thousands of years before guns were invented and even now I would bet more killings are done without guns than with guns. I don't think the writers would introduce guns so the castaways could kill each other off. There are far too many ways for more dramatic conflict to result in deaths if they go island happy. So I look at it as more of an move to level the playing field for a conflict with the others on the island. Besides good old Jack with his "Daddy Doctor Knows Best" attitude will probably decide that for their own good he will keep the guns away from the other castaways. He does like to be in control and has an inflated view of his responsibility in that area. I think the guns will possibly be a cop out for resolving the coming conflict with the others. I also feel that LATE is right "the guns will create more problems". It will be interesting to see which way the writers lean in their social viewpoint on the role of guns in society.

I know Kate said that the marshall had to check the suitcase with the guns but it was found wedged under the seat of the other passengers.I thought that the marshall was hit in the head with something that fell out of the overhead baggage compartment that looked like the haliburton suitcase. I don't have tapes of that episode. Could someone who does check and see if I am making this up or really remembering it? ??? ??? ???


i'll have a look. which episode was it? can you remember?

I originally thought that the case that clocked the marshall was Locke's knife case, but he said that he had checked that too. Funny how all of these "checked" weapons cases showed up inside the cabin. ;) Or maybe they are just really popular with Aussies!

It was the second part of the pilot, right after Sawyer shot the polar bear. I looked in the transcripts but it was just identified as a heavy suitcase....