I know it's been a while since we found Desmond in the hatch... but a thought just crossed my mind... it seems as though Desmond has been down there without leaving the hatch once. If Kelvin died, where are his remains? It's possible that Demond ventured outside, but would he? He seemed petrified of the 'disease' that was lurking outside of the hatch.:ohwell:

Unless (if Desmond is even telling the truth), he assumed Kelvin died becuase he never came back from the jungle? Maybe he will turn up again, or maybe he was Ethan?

Personally, I think Desmond must be a plant in some sort of sinister plot, as the whole meeting Jack thing is too weird. And what will Jack have to 'lift up'? Maybe if they lift up the bunker, they'll discover the real dharma operation underneath it?

I don't know, it just seemed like such a loaded comment.

Yeah, that comment just has to come in to play some where down the line. It was too strategically placed.
But an excellent question, Kelvin's body. It must be some where close you would think.

Maybe its under the magnetic concrete. If, as we have been led to believe, it was Desmond who replaced the motherboard in the computer and edited the videotape, maybe he was the one who sealed off the magnetic part of the hatch. He can't have had much else to do for three years, so I guess it's possible.

Actually, I read on another board that Kelvin was one of the members on the boat that took Walt. Desmond mentions something about Kelvin being dead. I think Kelvin left the hatch and Desmond assumed since he didn't come back that the "disease" got him. And, in reality, the "others" got him.

Maybe Des is a cannibal?

We've wondered about Kelvin's body for a while now. Hmm....hope they don't find him in a cold storage somewhere.

Desmond says with certainty that one day Kelvin died, not that he up and left, or never came back. Desmond tells Kate that the door handle to the hatch sticks or is stiff, so he has opened the door before. I think he buried Kelvin - or at least opened the door and tossed him out.

Why do people keep thinking the "You hafta life it up" line has some deep seeded meaning that's going to come up again? It was a j-o-k-e. It makes people go ha-ha, that is all.

I know it's been a while since we found Desmond in the hatch... but a thought just crossed my mind... it seems as though Desmond has been down there without leaving the hatch once. If Kelvin died, where are his remains? It's possible that Demond ventured outside, but would he? He seemed petrified of the 'disease' that was lurking outside of the hatch.:ohwell:
I've asked this very question several times on several threads. Most of the replies here were the same I received.
Unless (if Desmond is even telling the truth), he assumed Kelvin died becuase he never came back from the jungle? Maybe he will turn up again, or maybe he was Ethan?

Personally, I think Desmond must be a plant in some sort of sinister plot, as the whole meeting Jack thing is too weird. And what will Jack have to 'lift up'? Maybe if they lift up the bunker, they'll discover the real dharma operation underneath it?

I don't know, it just seemed like such a loaded comment.
This was one theory and one that I kind of think is possible ...
Actually, I read on another board that Kelvin was one of the members on the boat that took Walt. Desmond mentions something about Kelvin being dead. I think Kelvin left the hatch and Desmond assumed since he didn't come back that the "disease" got him. And, in reality, the "others" got him.
This is another reply I've gotten and could very possibly be the case. Maybe Kelvin was an Other even before he manned the computer ...
Desmond says with certainty that one day Kelvin died, not that he up and left, or never came back. Desmond tells Kate that the door handle to the hatch sticks or is stiff, so he has opened the door before. I think he buried Kelvin - or at least opened the door and tossed him out.
And this is also true. Desmond probably did see Kelvin's dead body and we know from his telling Kate that the door sticks that he had to have tried it at least once (or did he just see Kelvin try it, since Desmond has told us that Kelvin was outside the bunker at least the one time to resuce him).
Why do people keep thinking the "You hafta life it up" line has some deep seeded meaning that's going to come up again? It was a j-o-k-e. It makes people go ha-ha, that is all.
No. It's not a joke. It's a religious reference to "giving your troubles and worries up to God." Lift it up ... like give it up to God (who is in Heaven ... above us).

It makes sense to me that if the whole DHARMA thing is having people go in and push the button I'm assuming until they die and are replaced, and that they don't/can't leave the hatch, that they would have some sort of a tomb or freezer-like storage unit for the bodies.

there was a listing on IMDB that said MC GAINEY was playing Kelvin .. and he played one of the boaties .. the one that spoke methinks

so i guess it was a misnomer as that listing has now changed!! rahhh at IMDB!!

IMDB is hardly reliable. So I take their info with a big ol' grain of salt.

Unless (if Desmond is even telling the truth), he assumed Kelvin died becuase he never came back from the jungle? Maybe he will turn up again, or maybe he was Ethan?
Oh, I love that! Kelvin = Ethan. That would be too perfect. Maybe that's who Desmond will run into now that he's on the loose in the jungle. I too always assumed that Kelvin just went out one day and never came back.

Desmond tells Kate that the door handle to the hatch sticks or is stiff, so he has opened the door before. I think he buried Kelvin - or at least opened the door and tossed him out.
He might know that the door sticks because Kelvin had been the one going in and out. Desmond seemed really surpised that there was "still a world out there", as if he hadn't seen it in a long time.

[re: "Lift it Up"] No. It's not a joke. It's a religious reference to "giving your troubles and worries up to God." Lift it up ... like give it up to God (who is in Heaven ... above us).
Jane, you are always enlightening. I didn't know this - thanks for sharing.

I didn't know 'Lift it up' meant that...I thought it was a clue or something.

there was a listing on IMDB that said MC GAINEY was playing Kelvin .. and he played one of the boaties .. the one that spoke methinks

so i guess it was a misnomer as that listing has now changed!! rahhh at IMDB!!
Uh, the-islander, you need to spoiler font that. Since it hasn't aired yet, it's considered a spoiler and must be spoiler fonted. The mods will come down on you if they see you posting like that. Just a tip for a fellow Lost Fan! :biggrin:
Oh, I love that! Kelvin = Ethan. That would be too perfect. Maybe that's who Desmond will run into now that he's on the loose in the jungle. I too always assumed that Kelvin just went out one day and never came back.

He might know that the door sticks because Kelvin had been the one going in and out. Desmond seemed really surpised that there was "still a world out there", as if he hadn't seen it in a long time.

[re: "Lift it Up"]
Jane, you are always enlightening. I didn't know this - thanks for sharing.
I thought of that, too. That maybe it was Kelvin who went out but then, if Kelvin went out and came back Desmond would know the world was still out there ... and if he'd kept pushing the button ... why wouldn't it still be? And I keep coming back to his comment, "I don't get out much." Sure, he might have been being sarcastic but I think he must have gone out once in awhile, at least while Kelvin was still there.

And glad to share the meaning of "Lift it up" with everyone. I don't want sweet Desmond to be misunderstood. :smile:
I didn't know 'Lift it up' meant that...I thought it was a clue or something.
It's like an American version of "Give it to the Lord" or "Give it up to the Lord." And we saw that Desmond has some religious beliefs as he crossed himself (the European Catholic way) and took a Bible with him when he left (or if he didn't take it, we saw it in his bunk which leads me to believe he was reading it).

Uh, the-islander, you need to spoiler font that. Since it hasn't aired yet, it's considered a spoiler and must be spoiler fonted. The mods will come down on you if they see you posting like that. Just a tip for a fellow Lost Fan! :biggrin:


Not sure that necessarily qualifies as a spoiler -- the MC Gainey entry as "Kelvin" was on IMDB for Abandoned. Obviously neither MC Gainey nor Kelvin were in that episode :D

Not sure that necessarily qualifies as a spoiler -- the MC Gainey entry as "Kelvin" was on IMDB for Abandoned. Obviously neither MC Gainey nor Kelvin were in that episode :D

It is needed to abide by the rules of this board. Anything that has not aired is considered spoilers. That even includes previews of the up and coming episodes as many people (me included) don't watch them because we don't want to be spoiled.

So, if the full eppy has not aired, info regarding it is to be spoiler fonted per the Fuselage board rules.

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Why would Desmond leave the hatch if he thought something bad was going to happen that couldnt be stopped when the timer ran out? I'm thinking he must have left and was running somewhere because he had another plan:



Maybe he was heading for one of the other stations where he could possibly push a button there? And wouldnt it be a shock for him to run into Kelvin, who never died but just left the hatch and never returned, leaving Desmond to think the sickness got him.

Why would Desmond leave the hatch if he thought something bad was going to happen that couldnt be stopped when the timer ran out? I'm thinking he must have left and was running somewhere because he had another plan:


I don't read spoilers but I have thought and thought on this, too. It does seem strange that he would run off if he felt the world would end if the computer wasn't fixed. Where could he run to if the the world was going to end?

Or ... maybe the world doesn't actually "end." I mean all Desmond really said was "savin' the world." He could have meant that he was saving it from something or someone that would do horrible things to the world (civilization) and he thought he had a chance of hiding from that "thing" that would come if the button wasn't pushed.

Guys, there are two doors. An inner door that leads to a chamber, then a second outer hatch. Desmond told Kate the INNER door sticks.

I am betting he has opened the INNER door many times telling himself he's really leaving this time, but never did.

OH, and to add an on topic note: We have not seen every single square inch of the hatch. There is a lot of places Desmond could have fit a body if he needed to. There are areas between walls, and the entire bunker seems to have a crawlspace under it, so, there you go. I doubt we saw all of it.

Mind you he would have had to take measure to insure he would not be stink bombed out by a rotting corpse, but he seems to be a clever fellow.

Njc------------------

Guys, there are two doors. An inner door that leads to a chamber, then a second outer hatch. Desmond told Kate the INNER door sticks.

I am betting he has opened the INNER door many times telling himself he's really leaving this time, but never did.

OH, and to add an on topic note: We have not seen every single square inch of the hatch. There is a lot of places Desmond could have fit a body if he needed to. There are areas between walls, and the entire bunker seems to have a crawlspace under it, so, there you go. I doubt we saw all of it.

Mind you he would have had to take measure to insure he would not be stink bombed out by a rotting corpse, but he seems to be a clever fellow.

Njc------------------
That's a good point, Noeland, about Desmond maybe opening just the inner door. But it just sounded odd to hear him say it so matter-of-factly ... like it was something that he did on a regular basis (go outside I mean).

True, he might have burried Kelvin underground. But I'd think, if he was afraid of getting sick, he'd put the body somewhere where there was little to no chance of getting infected (if the sickness spreads that way, that is) ... like outside. It's a Catch-22 ... possibly infected if he goes outside to bury him and possibly exposed if he keeps the body somewhere close to him.