This one just didn't do it for me. If anything I dislike AL more than before.

That's the point. She's not supposed to be a likeable character. At least not yet, anyway.

You dislike the episode because you dislike Ana-Lucia? Are we supposed to like every character?

OMG! My friends and I had a pool on when the first "Worst Ep. Ever" thread would pop up. I had 19 minutes. You cost me five bucks, buddy...

I thought the episode was great. The reunions alone were were awesome. At least with the flashbacks we realize the background of AL. Now we know why she was so sensitive with babies. Sayid amazes me, the way he was able to talk to her. I do think that part of them died...him when he lost Nadia, his friend that shot himself, and now Shannon. Her when she lost the baby in the line of duty.

Of course not every character is meant to be likeable! That was only one point. But considering that this episode was the episode that is supposed to make us empathize with AL, it did a poor job. And the whole episode felt drawn out. What can I say? I just didn't like it.

The Journey was the worst ever episode of Lost. I really liked this epi.:)

this episode rocked, judging by the last 3 episodes so far, the sophomore slump is a thing of the past

I loved it, some people are just hungry for more and more action it seems. If they did that, then the story would play out far too quickly and you wouldn't be able to empathize with the characters at all.
I personally am looking foreward to more development between Eko and John, they will sure be the best of pals, all out in the wilderness and such.

ps: Hi Everyone! 1st post!!

Hi GuitarGuy77! Welcome to the nuthouse!

YOu all who LIKED the episode should post in the "Best Episode Ever' thread...keep that one up top.

I reallly liked this episode -- especially the way it ended!

Welcome to the 'lage, Guitar Guy. BTW, I loved this episode. Thought it was awsome. I don't want every character to be likeable, that would suck. You have to have an antagonist.

Are you serious? I thought this was one of the best of the year. I thought A.L. did a good job in today's show, and I don't like her as an actress.

What else didn't you like about the episode? The episode didn't make me like Ana anymore either, but I suppose I feel like I understand her more. I feel now that she will be an interesting character to watch.

Overall, i'm just thrilled that they're all getting back to the main camp, because i've missed the regular gang!

While I can honestly say that this episode was a huge stinker, it was never in danger of wrestling the "worst episode ever" title belt away from Born To Run. You must have missed that episode. But don't fret, it looks like they're showing it again next week under a new title.

While I can honestly say that this episode was a huge stinker, it was never in danger of wrestling the "worst episode ever" title belt away from Born To Run. You must have missed that episode. But don't fret, it looks like they're showing it again next week under a new title.


This one was definitely not as bad as BTR. My pick for worst ever would have to be Homecoming, though. I don't really consider a show like The Journey to be an actual episode, since it was just a clip show.

And, Vertical, if they even dare to bring that plastic airplane into the plot again, I might just go all AnaLucia at the TV set.

This one just didn't do it for me. If anything I dislike AL more than before.
Wow, you dislike a grieving mother who has been abandoned by everyone and therefore took revenge on her unborn child's murderer and the man that ruined her life? That's, that's really nice. :)

This one was definitely not as bad as BTR. My pick for worst ever would have to be Homecoming, though. I don't really consider a show like The Journey to be an actual episode, since it was just a clip show.

And, Vertical, if they even dare to bring that plastic airplane into the plot again, I might just go all AnaLucia at the TV set.

Mmm, Homecoming was definitely bad, but I'd still say BTR takes the crown for Hall of Shame.

Oh, if you don't want to ever see that plastic plane again (like me), don't highlight the spoiler text here: I knew you couldn't resist. I saw a glimpse of that infernal plane in the preview for next week. So it looks like it will be back. Unfortunately. I'm already drafting my post for "Born to Run finally relinquishes 'worst episode ever' title to What Kate Did."

Wow, you dislike a grieving mother who has been abandoned by everyone and therefore took revenge on her unborn child's murderer and the man that ruined her life? That's, that's really nice. :)

You're right. That gives her a never-ending license to be a completely psychotic lunatic. She is completely allowed to torture, beat, kill, maim, and imprison completely innocent people because of this. She has the social equivalent of a blank check. She can do no wrong, because she lost a child!

Did I have my sarcasm on too high for that?

I liked Homecoming.

No one on the island has any excuse for they way they act. Jack should calm down because its not his fault his dad drank himself to death. Sawyer killed the wrong man on accident. No reason for all that self hate. Sayid was just following orders. Charlie just fell into the rock and roll lifestyle like so many are expected to do and he should just come clean inside and out despite the fact that he is doing it totally alone...

yeah..they all should just calm down and behave. Peace and love and joy and high self esteem for all. None of them should let their past affect the way they are now. They should all just get over it...( a bit of sarcasm thrown in there)

Except that would of course make for one boring tv show...

Just not the fuselage unless each new episode gets a "worst episode ever" thread...

You're right. That gives her a never-ending license to be a completely psychotic lunatic. She is completely allowed to torture, beat, kill, maim, and imprison completely innocent people because of this. She has the social equivalent of a blank check. She can do no wrong, because she lost a child!

Did I have my sarcasm on too high for that?

If you're going there then every character has had moments similar. B/c Sawyer saw his mom killed he has the right to go around conning people, killing innocent people, and treating everyone around him like dirt? Come on, what she's done WAS wrong, but completely understandable. And I think her heriosm in 48 Days alone deserves to be some sort of redemtption for some of her actions/behavior.

Mmm, Homecoming was definitely bad, but I'd still say BTR takes the crown for Hall of Shame.

Oh, if you don't want to ever see that plastic plane again (like me), don't highlight the spoiler text here: I knew you couldn't resist. I saw a glimpse of that infernal plane in the preview for next week. So it looks like it will be back. Unfortunately. I'm already drafting my post for "Born to Run finally relinquishes 'worst episode ever' title to What Kate Did."

LOL,

I saw it too. I told the hub that I might need a good stiff martini at about 9:01 next Wednesday.Make that a double. And you watch, they will make her some "poor little farm girl from Iowal who was victimized by her evil family and forced to commit crimes to survive. And the only happy memory she has is the little plastic plane.".

I'd have to watch BTR and Homecoming back to back. I don't remember hating BTR as much as Homecoming, but it has been a year. Those are the only two episodes I haven't watched on the DVD set.

If you're going there then every character has had moments similar. B/c Sawyer saw his mom killed he has the right to go around conning people, killing innocent people, and treating everyone around him like dirt? Come on, what she's done WAS wrong, but completely understandable. And I think her heriosm in 48 Days alone deserves to be some sort of redemtption for some of her actions/behavior.

I disagree. Her behavior is not "completely understandable". It's outrageous. It's uncalled for. It's unjustifiable, and it borders on insane.

This one just didn't do it for me. If anything I dislike AL more than before.

They should have stuck with the "let's go out there with these guns and kill this evil woman" plan.

LOL,

I saw it too. I told the hub that I might need a good stiff martini at about 9:01 next Wednesday.Make that a double. And you watch, they will make her some "poor little farm girl from Iowal who was victimized by her evil family and forced to commit crimes to survive. And the only happy memory she has is the little plastic plane.".

Oh, absolutely: Kate will be made to look as though she's done something horrific, but in a TOTAL SHOCKER THAT NO ONE COULD EVER SEE COMING, the writers will reveal that she actually had no choice in the matter, or did whatever she did to save a dying baby seal, or her mother, or her father, or that if she didn't do what she did, the world would implode. She will be painted as the martyr, no question. She did the wrong thing for the right reason, I'm sure. I can't wait to be taken totally by surprise by this incredibly unpredictable development.

Heh.

I disagree. Her behavior is not "completely understandable". It's outrageous. It's uncalled for. It's unjustifiable, and it borders on insane.



that's why she was seeing the shrink. A mother, or any parent that lost a child isn't going to be acting logically.

Oh, absolutely: Kate will be made to look as though she's done something horrific, but in a TOTAL SHOCKER THAT NO ONE COULD EVER SEE COMING, the writers will reveal that she actually had no choice in the matter, or did whatever she did to save a dying baby seal, or her mother, or her father, or that if she didn't do what she did, the world would implode. She will be painted as the martyr, no question. She did the wrong thing for the right reason, I'm sure. I can't wait to be taken totally by surprise by this incredibly unpredictable development.

Heh.

Yeah and I'm sure that most people will jump on board to defend her for such actions, though in reality they will be the same, or less worse, than Ana's. Which I will just laugh at the hyporacy of once again.

I agree. One of the worst ones. I cannot take anymore of Anna-Lucia being shoved down my throat. We get a whole episode of flashbacks on nutcase Anna while Shannon lays rotting on the ground. The Sawyer/Kate scene was way over the top and lame, lame, lame. There are no words for the stupid golf scenes. Oh, and best of all - Eko refuses to talk - could that be because all the lostaways are not allowed to communicate because a question might be answered? Heaven forbid!!

Ana might well be 'bordering' on the insane. Drama back in the world, plane crash, others stealing tailees, infiltrators...when that kind of thing keeps going with no let up the mind does tend to ...ahem..snap.

She's seriously snapped, alright.

And not even a "clinical psychologist" seems to have made a dent in her nutcase armor.

Oh, and best of all - Eko refuses to talk - could that be because all the lostaways are not allowed to communicate because a question might be answered? Heaven forbid!!

Well, to be fair, that falls in line with the ten commandments of Lost:

1. Thou shalt not share information, lest answers be had.
2. Thou shalt not investigate strange findings on the island, lest answers be had.
3. Thou shalt not interrogate anyone who could possibly have answers, lest answers be had.
4. Thou shalt not question unexplainable things, lest answers be had.
5. Thou shalt not explore the island, lest answers be had.
6. Thou shalt kill anyone who is about to reveal answers about the island.
7. Thou shalt conveniently forget to follow up on anything curious about the island.
8. If thou dost have answers, thou shalt speak either vaguely or not at all.
9. Thou shalt not ever reveal any details of your past, lest answers be had.
10. Thou shalt not use that radio.

I agree. One of the worst ones. I cannot take anymore of Anna-Lucia being shoved down my throat. We get a whole episode of flashbacks on nutcase Anna while Shannon lays rotting on the ground. The Sawyer/Kate scene was way over the top and lame, lame, lame. There are no words for the stupid golf scenes. Oh, and best of all - Eko refuses to talk - could that be because all the lostaways are not allowed to communicate because a question might be answered? Heaven forbid!!


The Shannon rotting on the ground bothered me a lot. I am glad you brought it up. I am sure that bothered the Shannon fans a great deal. Michael and/or Jin could have at least attempted to pick up the body and carry it back to camp.

Ana might well be 'bordering' on the insane. Drama back in the world, plane crash, others stealing tailees, infiltrators...when that kind of thing keeps going with no let up the mind does tend to ...ahem..snap.

Yes, all well and good, but then why do so many people love this character? Simply because we have an explanation for her violent insanity does not make it acceptable.

Well, to be fair, that falls in line with the ten commandments of Lost:

1. Thou shalt not share information, lest answers be had.
2. Thou shalt not investigate strange findings on the island, lest answers be had.
3. Thou shalt not interrogate anyone who could possibly have answers, lest answers be had.
4. Thou shalt not question unexplainable things, lest answers be had.
5. Thou shalt not explore the island, lest answers be had.
6. Thou shalt kill anyone who is about to reveal answers about the island.
7. Thou shalt conveniently forget to follow up on anything curious about the island.
8. If thou dost have answers, thou shalt speak either vaguely or not at all.
9. Thou shalt not ever reveal any details of your past, lest answers be had.
10. Thou shalt not use that radio.

I would like to add two more:

11. Thou shalt not remember that people DIE in the jungle when it rains, but instead, should run into the jungle yelling and screaming to better attract the danger.
and
12. Thou shalt not mention to anyone that you hear whispers.

I would like to add two more:

11. Thou shalt not remember that people DIE in the jungle when it rains, but instead, should run into the jungle yelling and screaming to better attract the danger.
and
12. Thou shalt not mention to anyone that you hear whispers.

11 could fall into the "following up on anything curious about the island", but that's a good point... perhaps there should be a "thou shalt not remember important observations from one episode to the next".

12 falls into the sharing information clause, but that's a great example. :)

Yes, all well and good, but then why do so many people love this character? Simply because we have an explanation for her violent insanity does not make it acceptable.

Everyone on that island has issues. And I'm sure that when we find out that Kate killed someone everyone will justify it...b/c that just the way you people work. Utter hypocracy.

But anyway, the fact that she receives THIS much attention/hate, means that the character is friggin awesomely fascinating and Michelle is doing a superb job. And you can't say otherwise b/c if you thought she wasn't you would be talking about her.

Ana might well be 'bordering' on the insane.


Hopefully Jack's got some Prozac LOL.:biggrin: (joking of course)

Yes, all well and good, but then why do so many people love this character? Simply because we have an explanation for her violent insanity does not make it acceptable.

Who knows? I can't figure out why Sawyer is so popular.

I'm sure people are scratching their heads over why I like Jack and Charlie. It doesn't particularly bother me. I liked Homecoming. I don't care if I'm in the minority.

There are not many rational reasonable explanations as to why someone 'likes' this character or episode over another. There is no reason in wasting time trying to figure it out.

I gave up a long time ago trying to figure out why people HATE a fictional character so much. I'm sure in their own minds it makes perfect sense.

Everyone on that island has issues. And I'm sure that when we find out that Kate killed someone everyone will justify it...b/c that just the way you people work. Utter hypocracy.

But anyway, the fact that she receives THIS much attention/hate, means that the character is friggin awesomely fascinating and Michelle is doing a superb job. And you can't say otherwise b/c if you thought she wasn't you would be talking about her.

Preposterous logic. If the writers introduced a talking, walking lounge chair, and refused to explain it or do away with it, and instead forced it into the central plot of the show, I can promise you I would take equal exception.

Just because people are talking about it doesn't mean it's "dynamic" or "fascinating". It could just as easily be because it's obnoxious, unbelievable, abrassive, or otherwise ruins the feel of the show, or breaks the 'reality' that has been created by the preceding episodes.

Who knows? I can't figure out why Sawyer is so popular.

I'm sure people are scratching their heads over why I like Jack and Charlie. It doesn't particularly bother me. I liked Homecoming. I don't care if I'm in the minority.

There are not many rational reasonable explanations as to why someone 'likes' this character or episode over another. There is no reason in wasting time trying to figure it out.

I gave up a long time ago trying to figure out why people HATE a fictional character so much. I'm sure in their own minds it makes perfect sense.

I only "hate" Ana Lucia the fictional character in the sense that I would never put up with a person who really behaved like that, and I have a hard time believing anyone would, thus her character (and her impact on other characters) pulls me out of the 'reality' of the show. If someone behaved the way she did in 'real' life, they would get pounded, plain and simple. Obnoxious people like that 'get theirs', they don't get admired, which is what is happening here, somehow.

Jomama: Don't forget Michael telling Sun as he walks out of the jungle, that yes, they're back and yes, Jin is still alive. Next time we see her, she's at the beach doing laundry. What the heck is that???!!! I completely agree with Vertical. terrible episode.

Yeah, she would definately get pounded. One of the several men on the island would have overpowered her a long time ago and just taken the gun. jeez.

Preposterous logic. If the writers introduced a talking, walking lounge chair, and refused to explain it or do away with it, and instead forced it into the central plot of the show, I can promise you I would take equal exception.



There would be some posters here who would hate the talking walking lounge chair if it were mean to Sawyer. It would be mean to Jack but Jack would have deserved it because they don't like Jack. The chair can pick itself up and beat Charlie because he's being a bit of jerk these days so that would be good. However that same chair could sit still so Claire could have a rest and then it would be forgiven and everyone would know it had been 'misunderstood'.

This also would depend on how good looking the chair was.

None of which is your point of course. I just liked the mental image.

There would be some posters here who would hate the talking walking lounge chair if it were mean to Sawyer. It would be mean to Jack but Jack would have deserved it because they don't like Jack. The chair can pick itself up and beat Charlie because he's being a bit of jerk these days so that would be good. However that same chair could sit still so Claire could have a rest and then it would be forgiven and everyone would know it had been 'misunderstood'.

This also would depend on how good looking the chair was.

None of which is your point of course. I just liked the metaphor.

If the chair killed Ana Lucia, I might not object to its presence. ;)

My Lord, no offense to the OP. But anyone who uses this as a title to their post and is serious should be taken by the others. Wait, they only want "good" people.

At least when Sawyer blew that guy away we see he had second thoughts about it. AL just goes up to Jason and Bam!

If the chair killed Ana Lucia, I might not object to its presence. ;)

Ana would turn it into firewood before it got the chance to do that.;)

Ana would turn it into firewood before it got the chance to do that.;)

No, Ana would tie it up, throw it in a hole for days at a time, starve it, interrogate it, tell it to shut up for no reason, beat it, leave it for dead, kick it while it was down, make an ethnic slur about it, boss it around, point a gun at it, and THEN turn it into firewood, and then gaze into the blaze and say with hot, latino passion "I was PREGNANT!".

Wow, people without appreciation for the character development continue to amaze me.

AL is the way she is because of course, she's a little off her nut. She's lost a child, had a clearly saltry and less than par life before the crash, and now she's flung into a traumatic, eerie situation in which she is the only one of the tailies capable of taking such a leadership position. Decisions that she has made have cost her group lives. She's on edge, but it's not necessarily for the wrong reasons.

Wow, people without appreciation for the character development continue to amaze me.

AL is the way she is because of course, she's a little off her nut. She's lost a child, had a clearly saltry and less than par life before the crash, and now she's flung into a traumatic, eerie situation in which she is the only one of the tailies capable of taking such a leadership position. Decisions that she has made have cost her group lives. She's on edge, but it's not necessarily for the wrong reasons.

So, because I do not like AL, I have no appreciation for character development?

So, because I do not like AL, I have no appreciation for character development?

I'm guessing it's because you said this episode was a "huge stinker" indicating that you might not appreciate the character development of AL in this episode.

I'm guessing it's because you said this episode was a "huge stinker" indicating that you might not appreciate the character development of AL in this episode.

I'm required to like this episode to appreciate character development? I really don't understand that logic. Am I not allowed to dislike episodes? This episode, IMO, was bad. Very bad. Not the worst, but bad.

I'm required to like this episode to appreciate character development? I really don't understand that logic. Am I not allowed to dislike episodes? This episode, IMO, was bad. Very bad. Not the worst, but bad.

Of course you are allowed to dislike episodes. This episode dealt mainly with AL's character development. If you disliked this episode, a logical assumption would be that you disliked the character development of AL in this episode.

i loved this episode. ive really loved every episode of this season soo far even adrift and and found... so i really dont get what people r complaining about. i loved al's flash backs,

it's sort of shocking to me that anyone could really think this was the worst episode of lost. there were definitely some iffy episodes this season, but this was not one of them to me.

Wow, so much hate.

I for one thought this (as with the four episodes before it) was great.

The reunions was great, Bernard/Rose, Jin/Sun and even Michael/ Vincent

I thought the conversation between Ana and Sayid was very intense as was teh final twist in the flashback.

Personally I love every single main character, Although Libby interests me the least. Sure, Ana acts stupid sometimes, but so does Jack, Sawyer, Michael and Locke.

Whatever though, everyone is welcome to whatever opinion they have, This and the last episode made me like Ana-Lucia (or at least understand her better) more even if she does things that make me angry (As do pretty much all the other characters)

Every week someone thinks it's the 'Worst episode EVER!' Damn.

I just want the old "Lost" back. It just isn't the same this season. It's like a totally different show with all the new characters and almost every episode having AL shoved down our throats as if she is the whole show. What happened to the original 14? Oh yeah, the siblings are dead and the rest are doing laundry and pushing buttons. I forgot because it's been so long since I've seen them.