Tonight's show left me really empty...it just seemed to be stuck in neutral and Ana's backstory was to me, something that didn't endear me to the charector as it should have.

I had hoped the story would move forward somewhat but it actually regressed. The emotional reaction from Jack to Ana seemed out of place as they really only met for what? 30 seconds?

Am I the only one who felt this way??

I did think their reaction was odd too.

I don't know though, I like knowing more of why Ana is the way she is. I know I'm in the minority, but I like her, even though she acts the way she does.

You thought the flashbacks were supposed to make us like her? That was obviously NOT the point. The flashbacks seemed to be designed to make us hate her even more.

Not all characters should be likeable. Without character conflict, there's no show.

Nothing happened in this episode. Well, that's not true. I was convinced I couldn't dislike Ana's character more, but I was wrong. "Ana Lucia" is quite possibly the most horrifically bad character I've ever witnessed on a show.

Someone, save this show. I thought there was a glimmer of hope when Ana was pouting and wanting to live in the woods on her own ... but of course that can't happen.

no Baileysdad I completely agree with you... I don't understand why the writers were doing this - they definitely made this story AL-centric to try to illicit empathy from the viewers (because I think they know that she's not exactly the most-loved character on the show, even without murdering Shannon) but it didn't work for me.. In fact, I just came to the conclusion that she's totally psychotic whether or not she's stuck on a crazy island.. It looks like What Kate Did will also be along those lines of just a character-focused episode..
It really drives me nuts that they give us The Other 48 Days with all these juicy tidbits on the Others, then leave us with two episodes without clues or answers and then stick us with 6 weeks of re-runs!! aaarrrghhh!

Ana's backstory was basically what I had expected except for her pregnancy when she was shot.

I still feel no sympathy for her character. '

And yes, I agree with you on Jack's reaction to her. Kind of a strong one for someone you met at an airport bar for 45 seconds.

I thought Sayid's scenes were excellent though - his reaction to Shannon's death should be a major plot development.

It might have been empty plotwise--the drama of the two groups meet really wasn't what it was built up to be in the sneak peek from two weeks ago. But I thought that it was full of emotion, which I also liked. The reunions between Jin/Sun and Bernard/Rose were great. It was also really nice to see that interaction between Charlie and Jin.

I didn't at all approve of Jack and Ana-Lucia, but I think their meeting is normal. Both of them had just been through a lot of emotional stress and I think that both of them are just so overcome with the fact that a random, small 30-second meeting in an airport really came out to be something later.

Hopefully that's as far as it gets...

I don't think it was supposed to make you like or not like her... it was supposed to make you *understand* her... and then make your own decision.

Kind of like Locke. Some people are sympathetic toward him, others are creeped out by him. Frankly, I think that gives the character more freedom, rather than someone like Jack or Kate, whom we're "supposed" to like.

How do we know that they only met for 30 seconds? We are actually led to believe that they met up on the plane, since they exchanged seat numbers.

All the episodes I like, everyone else hates. At least, this season. I liked the episode with the exception of Ana Lucia's flashbacks. I couldn't give a flying flip less about that woman or her psychosis.

I don't think it was supposed to make you like or not like her... it was supposed to make you *understand* her... and then make your own decision.


I'm almost 100% sure that either in a podcast or an interview, the writers said that this episode and AL's flashbacks were intended to endear her to us.. I'm leaning towards it being in one of the podcasts.. I'll have to go back and listen...

I enjoyed the episode amd loved the reunions at the end. I also loved Kate and Sawyer in bed.:)
It was strange that no one seemed scared 2 strange people walked into camp, when they were hiding for the Others, just 3 days ago.

I don't think it was supposed to make you like or not like her... it was supposed to make you *understand* her... and then make your own decision.

Exactly...i don't think this episode was about redeeming Ana's in the audiences eyes...but rather seeing why she has become the way she is, and the motivation for her actions. I expect in the future we'll see what she was like before her shooting & losing her baby.

Another strange thing to me was the fact that...um...you just blasted someone in the gut and then tied up her lover and NOBODY checked on Shannon...they took Sawyer to Jack...but nobody even talked about her or said.."Hey, remember that blonde you just capped Ana? What say we check her out to see if she is really dead or maybe we can HELP her."

Strange episode...

Another strange thing to me was the fact that...um...you just blasted someone in the gut and then tied up her lover and NOBODY checked on Shannon...they took Sawyer to Jack...but nobody even talked about her or said.."Hey, remember that blonde you just capped Ana? What say we check her out to see if she is really dead or maybe we can HELP her."

Strange episode...

Oh I don't know. Might have had a lot to do with that gun she kept waving around.

There is a thread titled, "Best Episode..." one titled "Worst Episode.." and this one. So, I am posting here because this most closely matches my feelings about Collision.

It just seemed so empty on so many levels. And lame on many others.

The golf thing was totally lame. I realize they were going for cute, but that's the first scene ever on Lost that made me think of Gilligan's Island. Except it was Kate, Jack, Hurley and Charlie instead of Mary Ann, the Professor, Skipper and Gilligan. Wasted ten minutes.

And how is it that the writers finally wrote Hurley a funny scene where he wasn't actually funny?

AnaLucia's freak out seemed totally over the top. Her back story was totally predictable except for the fact that her mother was her captain. And that she was pregnant when she was shot by Jason. Instead of giving us a better understanding of who she is, I have come away with the unfortunately overused and very irritating stereotype of "hot headed Latino" (and before you flame me, I am half Latino myself). It is unfortunate that a show of this caliber stoops to racial sterotyping.

So not enough Locke and Eko moment. That could have generated some good dialogue, but instead, they kept it at mutual hellos. I am really digging the Eko character though. I hope they give him loads more to do.

The scene with Kate feeding the pill and water to Sawyer was lame. Lame lame lame lame lame. Are we to believe that Kate is better able to give medication to a critically ill patient than a doctor? Right after she nearly nails a hole in one on the worst golf course in the Pacific? Can she also rebuild the aircraft with jungle vines and bamboo so that they can just fly home? They need to quit calling her Kate and just play the "I Can do Anything Better than You" song when she comes on the screen.

It was also very lame that Jack would remember the name AnaLucia after meeting her for five minutes in a bar. This falls right into the lameness that he would remember Desmond. Maybe Jack has a photographic memory, but for a doctor he is sure bad at giving medication.

What I did like...give Michael more to do. He was great tonight. So was Jin. And the ending where Rose and Bernard finally meet up was so very beautiful. And Sun and Jin...and Michael finding Vincent.

This episode had a few choice moments, but the story was just not there. No new questions tonight, but nothing answered either.

Rated 1 to 10 [ten being Walkabout], Collsion ranks a solid 4.

NO CLAIRE! :frown:

Posse Gal...

I wish I could put your last post for the lead in instead of mine...great job..you really nailed the way I was feeling about it...

PLEASE writers...don't make this show a parody of itself..

I may wind up eating my words (as I usually do) but I predict that Ana & Sayid are gonna get togeather. It'll take time, but I saw it after she cut him loose & he stood up & faced her. These two were made for each other.
Am I the only one who saw it?

First off thanks for the 'creative' thread title. :) For the most part I liked the episode but with some quibbles.




The scene with Kate feeding the pill and water to Sawyer was lame. Lame lame lame lame lame. Are we to believe that Kate is better able to give medication to a critically ill patient than a doctor? Right after she nearly nails a hole in one on the worst golf course in the Pacific? Can she also rebuild the aircraft with jungle vines and bamboo so that they can just fly home? They need to quit calling her Kate and just play the "I Can do Anything Better than You" song when she comes on the screen.

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I agree about the Kate/Sawye scene. It made me cringe big time. I've been rather neutral about that ship but that was just over the top for me. It was put there just to give Jack a reason to feel uncomfortable.. and his recognizing Anna Lucia's name was just put in there to give Kate pause for a moment.

I didn't like it and will fast forward through it in the future...

I loved this episode. I was happy to see the group be reunited with the other side. To me this is a huge step...

PLEASE writers...don't make this show a parody of itself..

Word.

And, Lonewolf, I see that coming too. The two warriors will heal each other.

I may wind up eating my words (as I usually do) but I predict that Ana & Sayid are gonna get togeather. It'll take time, but I saw it after she cut him loose & he stood up & faced her. These two were made for each other.
Am I the only one who saw it?

Nope...my wife said the exact same thing...the magnetic attraction between them seem to be the only real true gripping moment of the show...

While I could tell that the writers were trying to give AL and Sayid a 'moment', I really hope they won't be that predictable. You can see that coming a mile away.

MAN... I so thought tonight was "What Kate Did" dang it... bummer, but still loved the Skater scenes and the Rose/Bernard and Sun/Jin reunions

While you may have felt it underwhelming, it seemed to be a necessity of story continuity. It would seem that they had to converge multiple plotlines and realign the stories of 2 distinct groups, so much had to be made how to get them from Point A to Point B with the confounding factor of Shannon.

I think the duality of some scenes was quite impressive. I liked the juxtaposition of Jack questioning Eko, and Ana questioning Sayid, and the irony of each of the questioners turning the tables on the interrogators, especially when one is a master at interrogation himself! Brilliant juxtaposition.

We see more evidence of Kate's incredibly diverse array of talents in golf. It's difficult to fathom how talented somebody can be at so many things and to be so young without something incredible in her past. The golf, against a physician ironically enough, is enough to push me over the Super Kate fence. Excellent addition.

There was no way that Ana could be so heartless. I keep reading at how much she is hated, and even more so after revealing what happened with Shannon. However, I feel sympathy for her. She became a fearless maverick after LOSING A CHILD. How can one cope with that? She did it through (semi-)controlled aggression, and it carried over to now. Many feel more dislike toward her, yet I feel even more attached to the tragedy of her story, and therefore sympathy.

Then there was the first juxtaposition of our faithful spiritual leaders Eko and Locke, and there was an instant connection there. And Eko's reaction to Dharma and the guns was very interesting.

And you can't tell me tht the ending wasn't incredibly powerful. Once again we see the power of reunion representing life, and shortly thereafter seeing the pain of recognition for Shannon, and for Ana Lucia was quite powerful. It reminded me much of the Aaron/Walt juxtaposition at the end of Season 1.

You call it 'underwhelm', I call it plot convergence. This was easily offset by an emotional ending of beloved characters (that of you felt emotion is evidence that they've created characters that we are quite attached to), and some interesting devices used to setup future character delving.

-Mang

I may wind up eating my words (as I usually do) but I predict that Ana & Sayid are gonna get togeather. It'll take time, but I saw it after she cut him loose & he stood up & faced her. These two were made for each other.
Am I the only one who saw it? :crying: sigh.. I saw it also. Yelled at the tv. Loudly.. NO!!!!! Sayid is one of my favorite characters and rambina is my absolute totally least favorite character. And as much as I despise her, at that moment, I felt a connection between them and realized i was waiting for him to say something to her to or reach out in some way because thats how it made me feel - or what it made me feel that they were feeling.. :sadwalk:
It was a good job by the creative team..

Well, It was underwhelming in that I had the episode plotted out in my mind from start to finish just from the previews. All I didn't know was the info in the flashback and the last scene. Charlie and Hurley did seem to be just tossed in to the episode.
BUT, the final minutes done with no dialogue, just wonderful music and reunions was the best part of the show. We did see that Bernard and Libby were able to stand up to Ana too. Also I think Eko's character was given a bit more interest with his speech "what do you want?" He saw the potential for escalation out of anger from Ana and Jack and put an end to it.
So, this episode is the best for me this season, but isn't anything near the best.

i totally agree about the possible Ana/Sayid paring... they seem to have a strong connection and chemistry right from the start... like another couple we know ... cough-skate-cough

I just think the show needs to put the focus back on the characters that made the show popular to begin with. There is just nothing compelling about Ana Lucia. Give us more of the original characters.

Wow. It's so sad to see how jaded some of the audience is. Of course the show is going to have a "so sweet my teeth could rot" moment every now and then. And, yes, a golf course was a pretty silly idea to begin with, so I'm sure nobody yells "yippie" when the characters are shown playing golf... but there's no way you're going to like every minute of every episode of ANY show... or even every character, and sometimes, you need that goof ball moment in order to build up a more interesting story later.
For example, if Kate and Jack are EVER going to hook up, we don't really expect it to be while they're burying bodies. They'll need some trivial, non-stressful moments to "play" together... even at the expense of 10 minutes of our time.
The fact that Kate was able to get Sawyer to swallow the pill doesn't have to be seen as making a mockery out of Jack's skills as a doctor. Kate has ALWAYS been able to get through to Sawyer when Jack couldn't.
And who really cares if they didn't go checking on dead Shannon to see if there was any way to save her... that would truly have been a waste of 10 minutes... she's dead, and the audience knows she's dead because she was written off the show about 6 months ago.
And, how could Jack have anything but the very strongest reaction to hearing Ana-Lucia's name and realizing for the very first time that, not only did people from the tail section survive, but that Shannon's murderer and Sayid's jailer wasn't one of "them", she was one of "us"? It would have sent chills through anybody. His reaction wasn't to Ana-Lucia, but to the implications of her survival, and the "mistake" she made.
Finally, your good buddy Jin went out on a boat to find people to help you. You would sort of expect him to come back with people you've never seen before. Or, at least, hope he will. That was the whole point of his going on the boat to begin with. Didn't you get your fill of "let's fear the stranger" when Eko showed up? Should the survivors react the same exact way every time they see an unfamiliar face so that we can all complain about the repetitive nature of the show?
I hope you guys don't kill the ratings on this show by spreading your cynicism because, for whatever faults it has, it really cannot be compared to "Gilligan's Island" (come on guys)... and it gives us a lot more food for thought than ________ (fill in any other show).
I come to the Fusalage looking for secret codes, and secret information, but the posts can be such a downer. I'd give up on the Fusalage before I'd give up on Lost.
Cheer up.

I could deal with killing the man who took her baby, I had no problem with that. What ticked me off was pointing the gun at Libby and Bernard. Then she guilts trips them on how she has kept them alive. She is about as anti-hero as they come.

:crying: sigh.. I saw it also. Yelled at the tv. Loudly.. NO!!!!! Sayid is one of my favorite characters and rambina is my absolute totally least favorite character. And as much as I despise her, at that moment, I felt a connection between them and realized i was waiting for him to say something to her to or reach out in some way because thats how it made me feel - or what it made me feel that they were feeling.. :sadwalk:
It was a good job by the creative team..


Let's face it...Sayid may be the only one who can handle her. She respects Eko, & wont challange him - if it really comes down to a face off, but somehow, I get the feeling that
romance is the last thing on Eko's mind.

P.S., Shannon was a waste of space on this show until Sayid loved her... one moment can change the way we feel about any of these characters. So don't write Ana-Lucia off just yet.

Lostandneeds..."illicit" a reaction would implicate us in a crime. "Elicit" a reaction would bring a reaction out of us, one that is, we hope, not a criminal reaction.

I loved this epy. For people who want their drama clean and neat and wrapped up every hour, your continued viewing of this program frankly surprises me. This isn't Law And Order, where everything gets wrapped up. This is more true-to-life than that--people are bad, they turn good, their pasts are full of shadows as well as sunpatches.

Do you know anyone truly innately evil? There aren't too many. Without sounding like a bleeding heart, everyone's issues stem from something in their past. Whether you want to take that as an excuse for their actions at this moment is up to you, but it IS a reason. (Reasons are not excuses, in spite of what your coach may have told you.)

To be honest, I quite enjoyed seeing Ana Lucia's backstory, and it really did make me finally understand why she acts the way she does. It's very easy to see why she's so tightwound and hairtrigger. The world took from her the thing that meant the most to her--her baby (and apparently the man she loved--is it so hard to understand why her whoever it was--boyfriend, fiance, husband--left her?) Now she's dealing with a new trauma, one that involves children being taken. Remember in last week's episode, she never asked Goodwin where the rest of her survivors were--just the children.

These are very complex, textured people the writers have given us and the actors bring to life. That's what this show is all about--people dealing with the many issues in their lives, the trauma they still feel, the surprises the island pushes at them, and survival instinct. All the while they're growing closer to each other, by fits and starts.

Kate's past is dark. Sawyer's past is dark. Locke's past is traumatizing beyond comprehension. Jack turned his father in, which led apparently to his Australia trip, which led to his death. All the best cowboys have daddy issues, you know. Then there's Jin, whose past has caused him as much guilt as Sayid's past has caused him. Don't forget Hurley, who lives life waiting for the next piece of bad luck to befall everyone he comes in contact with.

None of these characters is what you would call sympathetic. We've just grown sympathetic towards them because of what we've seen of them on the island, and in their past.

And don't forget, there's a clinical psychologist among them now.

And you mean to tell me your eyes didn't well up when Jin and Sun hugged? I thought that was the most touching moment of this series so far.

I can't wait for Monday, to get my students to think about how these characters are built through the course of the episode! Well, I can wait for Monday, really...which reminds me, happy Thanksgiving to all us American Lostaways! :turkey:

Wow. It's so sad to see how jaded some of the audience is. Of course the show is going to have a "so sweet my teeth could rot" moment every now and then. And, yes, a golf course was a pretty silly idea to begin with, so I'm sure nobody yells "yippie" when the characters are shown playing golf... but there's no way you're going to like every minute of every episode of ANY show... or even every character, and sometimes, you need that goof ball moment in order to build up a more interesting story later.
For example, if Kate and Jack are EVER going to hook up, we don't really expect it to be while they're burying bodies. They'll need some trivial, non-stressful moments to "play" together... even at the expense of 10 minutes of our time.
The fact that Kate was able to get Sawyer to swallow the pill doesn't have to be seen as making a mockery out of Jack's skills as a doctor. Kate has ALWAYS been able to get through to Sawyer when Jack couldn't.
And who really cares if they didn't go checking on dead Shannon to see if there was any way to save her... that would truly have been a waste of 10 minutes... she's dead, and the audience knows she's dead because she was written off the show about 6 months ago.
And, how could Jack have anything but the very strongest reaction to hearing Ana-Lucia's name and realizing for the very first time that, not only did people from the tail section survive, but that Shannon's murderer and Sayid's jailer wasn't one of "them", she was one of "us"? It would have sent chills through anybody. His reaction wasn't to Ana-Lucia, but to the implications of her survival, and the "mistake" she made.
Finally, your good buddy Jin went out on a boat to find people to help you. You would sort of expect him to come back with people you've never seen before. Or, at least, hope he will. That was the whole point of his going on the boat to begin with. Didn't you get your fill of "let's fear the stranger" when Eko showed up? Should the survivors react the same exact way every time they see an unfamiliar face so that we can all complain about the repetitive nature of the show?
I hope you guys don't kill the ratings on this show by spreading your cynicism because, for whatever faults it has, it really cannot be compared to "Gilligan's Island" (come on guys)... and it gives us a lot more food for thought than ________ (fill in any other show).
I come to the Fusalage looking for secret codes, and secret information, but the posts can be such a downer. I'd give up on the Fusalage before I'd give up on Lost.
Cheer up.

Great post. I'm having my fill of the whiners lately. (Not anyone on this thread). People who just don't THINK things through or spout off things without knowing what they are talking about. I'm on the verge of taking a break from the Fuse because of this....

You call it 'underwhelm', I call it plot convergence. This was easily offset by an emotional ending of beloved characters (that of you felt emotion is evidence that they've created characters that we are quite attached to), and some interesting devices used to setup future character delving.

-Mang

Interesting, the people who hate this episode (and others in the past) focus on one narrow piece of the episode. Those of us who like it look at in in a much larger context. (We also seem to write more...is that a coincidence?)

Not making a judgment at all--just pointing out the differences in personalities and worldviews all humans have.

Dmc, you're the coolest. :) I love what you said.

Interesting, the people who hate this episode (and others in the past) focus on one narrow piece of the episode. Those of us who like it look at in in a much larger context. (We also seem to write more...is that a coincidence?)

Not making a judgment at all--just pointing out the differences in personalities and worldviews all humans have.

On the contrary, the only portion of this show that I enjoyed was the reunion. The entirity of the remainder of the episode is what I 'focus' on when I discuss what I didn't like about it. And I write my fair share of epic posts.

Just not this one.

Victoria, DMCquickly and elfdream, thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! I agree with you all about this episode and about the characters and about the boards. Well said, all of you.

Interesting, the people who hate this episode (and others in the past) focus on one narrow piece of the episode. Those of us who like it look at in in a much larger context. (We also seem to write more...is that a coincidence?)

Not making a judgment at all--just pointing out the differences in personalities and worldviews all humans have.


Amazing. People who like this episode are smart. And anybody who dislikes it is stupid.
:hypocrit:

I hope you guys don't kill the ratings on this show by spreading your cynicism because, for whatever faults it has, it really cannot be compared to "Gilligan's Island" (come on guys)... and it gives us a lot more food for thought than ________ (fill in any other show).
I come to the Fusalage looking for secret codes, and secret information, but the posts can be such a downer. I'd give up on the Fusalage before I'd give up on Lost.
Cheer up.

This is, I fear, why Survivor gets such good ratings. Same with Desperate Housewives. And the CSI franchises (which, while they may be set in different locales, are not much different in their general storylines). Not that the latter two aren't good shows, in their way, but DH deals with pretty predictable characters with lots of allusions to sexual conduct (always a crowd pleaser, though not particularly intelligent) and CSI wraps up a glitzy story every week in some 40+ minutes. Americans are not a patient people with their tv. Nor are we, by and large, enormously deep thinkers.

The long story arc of Lost will probably lose viewers, I fear. I felt--as did a bunch of other people, judging by the poll I started--that last week's episode rushed us through a story that could have been told in a two-hour special with better character explanation. I just can't help but wonder: Why do so many professed Lostaways claim impatience about this show? It has NEVER been a show to wrap up a story in anything like traditional tv time. That's always been, for many of us, one of the marvels of the show--that they are actually taking time on this show to give the audience real characters, not predictable cardboard cutouts recycled from past shows. I'm grateful to the creative people on this show for giving me a program every week that asks me to comprehend the characters. It's a wonderful change.


Sit back, relax, and enjoy your flight.

No..that's not what the poster is saying. He/she is saying the focus is different..not that one way is any better than the other way.

Amazing. People who like this episode are smart. And anybody who dislikes it is stupid.
:hypocrit:

I'm trying to find where in my post I said or intimated anything like that. Ever heard of field-dependent vs. field-independent thinkers? That's all I was saying. Actually, I was poking a little fun at the people who want their characters predictable, by pointing out that none of us in real life is alike. Some of us look at big pictures, some of us look at details. It doesn't make anyone smarter or dumber to look at either.

Or were you just feeling self-conscious about something? :kiss:

When are we going to start seeing more Charlie/Claire anyway? In the first podcast the writers said starting ep. 8.

Lostfan4ever has the cleverest avatar on this board. Well done! I love it!

Tonight's show left me really empty...it just seemed to be stuck in neutral and Ana's backstory was to me, something that didn't endear me to the charector as it should have.

I had hoped the story would move forward somewhat but it actually regressed. The emotional reaction from Jack to Ana seemed out of place as they really only met for what? 30 seconds?

Am I the only one who felt this way??

I agree. The Jack AL thing was out of place. I also thought it was lame when Eko said AL's name to Jack in the hatch that he knew her right away. Never a hmmm that name sounds familiar moment or anything, he just knew it right off. The episode was good though.

why must there be so many of these threads? worst this, empty that, ana lucia this ana that ana ana ana ana ana ana. enough already.

just watch the show or stop watching it if all you're going to do is whine about it.

someone has to finish off ana, she is ruining the show!

this was my least fav episode of the season

I may wind up eating my words (as I usually do) but I predict that Ana & Sayid are gonna get togeather. It'll take time, but I saw it after she cut him loose & he stood up & faced her. These two were made for each other.
Am I the only one who saw it?

My father-in-law, who doesn't watch the show but out of the corner of his eye and thinks it's silly, said, "You two were made for each other" at that scene.

Lostfan4ever has the cleverest avatar on this board. Well done! I love it!
Thank you. The credit goes to Rock Goddess. She made it.

I agree. The Jack AL thing was out of place. I also thought it was lame when Eko said AL's name to Jack in the hatch that he knew her right away. Never a hmmm that name sounds familiar moment or anything, he just knew it right off. The episode was good though.

To me, there are two reasons Jack can remember AL that quickly...since he is talking to someone (Eko) from the tail-end of the plane, his mind is focused there and Ana-Lucia is not a common name so that makes it much easier to place from memory...more importantly though, they may have spent a little time on the plane together (we don't know that yet) but even if they didn't, isn't it possible that when they met at the airport she really left a lasting impression on him? I've met many people that I've either found very interesting (and/or very attractive) and will remember their names...especially a name that is uncommon...

why must there be so many of these threads? worst this, empty that, ana lucia this ana that ana ana ana ana ana ana. enough already.
just watch the show or stop watching it if all you're going to do is whine about it.
Are you saying you'd like to have 1 or 2 threads per episode without mentioning things people liked, things people disliked, things people thought were lacking, things people enjoyed (worst, empty, etc) AND no threads regarding the characters?

I'm taking your words here - "just watch the show or stop watching it if all you're going to do is whine about it" and suggest you replace the word watching with: coming to the message boards - which would say:
just watch the show or stop coming to the message boards if all you're going to do is whine about it

I agree. The Jack AL thing was out of place. I also thought it was lame when Eko said AL's name to Jack in the hatch that he knew her right away. Never a hmmm that name sounds familiar moment or anything, he just knew it right off. The episode was good though.

Well if you believe Jack remembered AL's name, I saw it more as, at least partially an exasperated dawing realization that hit him...I could almost hear him say as he passed his hand over his face..."but of course, another person from my past that I met briefly and forgot about has joined us on the island, it's only a matter of time before they all show up"...

btw had to say Excellent posts StickMang, Victoria, Elfdream, DMC, not much to add there....nice observation comparing the questioning between the 2 groups...another great episode...

I still like Ana, really interesting character to add, she brings a ton of tension to the group....I enjoyed her backstory also because I couldn't figure out what the tragedy was....I admit there was a point though that I was wondering what the hell she was doing in a police car considering her state of mind...I looking forward to see where her storyline with the group goes...who's going to reach out to her? they're all pretty much messed up so who knows...

Thought Sayid's lines of "What's the point? We're both already dead" was the best of the show...some natural chemistry between those two there....I think that could be explored instead of trying to force AL into a quandrangle(?) relationship line just because....

Sayid keeps tying his losses of Nadia, his friend in Sydney, Shannon to the guilt of his Torturing "MANY men".... in an alternate universe I could see just about any one of the Lostaways standing where AL was and saying the same thing...go ahead and do it, I deserve it.... Charlie should write a song titled Guilt they all could sing together around the campfire because that is the collective theme here....

I cracked up when Locke and Eko met both stepping into the hallway...if that wasn't a mirror moment...there's a storyline worth pursuing...

Nice reunion scene...though they missed that part when Mike told Sun Jin was alive and then next she's casually washing laundry on the beach...either she wanted to act surprised or they needed the extra Dramatic effect of all the groups uniting basically together with everybody around congratulating....

wonder if Kate's real feelings are for Sawyer..hmmm..:)

next episode's previews look great....

The episode was no where near being the best because the best usually mix "Island" action, mythology and character development together. Yet I thought it was solid episode.

I never felt that the flashbacks were solely to elicit sympathy toward a character. I have always viewed them as giving us a little background on what the person was like pre-Island but that the correlation between events on the "Island" and in the specific flashback were related. Remember Locke telling Shannon that on this "Island" everyone gets a second chance? That is what is being shown. Do they make the same mistakes again or did they learn and do things differently. Sawyer and the boar is a good example.

AL transferred her personal experience to Sayid. When someone she loved was killed her reaction was to seek vengeance so she wasn't able to fathom any other reaction from Sayid. She had let her guard down and trusted someone it cost her the life of her baby and her significant other. Remember that Libby had said they had "Trust" issues, now we know where those issues came from.

I think it was vital for us to see her losing control of her group. She has been their leader and up until now she spoke and everyone jumped. It is now much easier to understand why she felt so deeply about the children being taken. This episode cleared a lot up about her character. Am I in love her her character because I understand her? No. The writers are clever. They need a character that elicits strong negative reactions from the fan base. No other character that I've read about on these boards has had as strong a reaction from the fan base on the Fuse. Sawyer's selfishness was counteracted by his charm. Even Ethan didn't stir this kind of emotion. Part of a writer's job is to evoke strong reactions. I think they have done that.

If you follow along, Kate's success in getting Sawyer to take the medication was more about Jack's failure with his bedside manner. His inability in that regard is nothing new. His father pointed it out to him, Hurley told him his bedside manner sucked and Jack saying that he didn't learn bedside manner in medical school fit right in. Jack's reaction to hearing Eko speak of Ana Lucia, IMHO, was a complete fit. Jack has seen a vision of his Father and met Desmond(Locke told Jack that if he knew Desmond from before being on the Island that it would really be crazy in comparison to what pushing the button does) and now of all the names he could hear that would let him know that these people were actually from the tail section, it just happens to be the one person he had met. It was almost as if Jack resigned himself to the fact that more than coincidence is happening.

I also thought that Sayid stating that he heard the cries of the men he had tortured was very revealing. Plus we now know that another person(AL) on the "island" killed someone prior to arriving on the "Island".

So now we are about a third of the way through the season, which means there is plenty of time to still get closure on some of the "Island" mythology and character mysteries. I know the mystery books that I have read don't start to reveal answer until after the halfway point. So I am not in the least disappointed or worried. If I want drive thru TV I can change the channel and watch many other shows. I want it to unfold slowly over time so that the anticipation is there and the climax is real.

Well if you believe Jack remembered AL's name, I saw it more as, at least partially an exasperated dawing realization that hit him...I could almost hear him say as he passed his hand over his face..."but of course, another person from my past that I met briefly and forgot about has joined us on the island, it's only a matter of time before they all show up"...

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LOL! Perfect!

Jack & Ana Lucia......mile-high club???

Maybe she's preggers again?

. Are we to believe that Kate is better able to give medication to a critically ill patient than a doctor?

I found it believable - because doctors don't dispense meds, nurses do. And with a critically ill patient, the meds would typically be dispensed by IV.

It was also very lame that Jack would remember the name AnaLucia after meeting her for five minutes in a bar. This falls right into the lameness that he would remember Desmond. Maybe Jack has a photographic memory, but for a doctor he is sure bad at giving medication.

Both are unusual names, so I think it's natural he would remember her name. I think he was just shocked that she was still alive. As for Desmond, it was his unique way of speaking that Jack recognized first. Seeing as how his first encounter with Desmond came at a critical juncture in his life & Desmond's advice shaped his reaction to it, it is entirely plausible he'd remember that.


I keep thinking each episode is underwhelming, UNTIL I go back & really think about them. The story is being told more subtly this year & that's why I think we all tend to be underwhelmed at first glance.

I enjoyed the episode amd loved the reunions at the end. I also loved Kate and Sawyer in bed.:)
It was strange that no one seemed scared 2 strange people walked into camp, when they were hiding for the Others, just 3 days ago.
No need to be scared ... they were overwhelmed to see Sawyer again. No fear of Eko as he was trying to help. The only images that the losties had of the "others" was Ethan, who did everything but help.

Cheers

I love that this thread has turned around. The posts are really giving me new angles to think about now... especially about why Jack's reaction to Ana-Lucia's name was so strong. It could be a lot of things. Your life is running it's course and BAM, plane goes down and your whole life is turned upside down in just 8 hours. You'd probably look back over those 8 hours over and over again wondering if you could have done something different. Every detail of those 8 hours plays in your mind, over and over. If only... she was a part of the most pivotal 8 hours of his life. Besides, if I got hit on by a nice guy at an airport, and I thought the guy died in a plane crash just 8 hours later, I might take some time to think about how WRONG that seems in the scheme of life.

One thing I don't understand about people is this:

If someone writes something that in anyway is off the track of how they feel that person should think or feel...they are called whiners and told to not come to the board and not watch the show.

Are some of you 12 or what?

I never once said I hated this episode in my thread post. I never said I hated the charector development. I never said the show sucked. I never told people what they should think or feel. I said it left me empty and underwhelmed.

People write about how tired they are of negative posts and whiners. I am tired of putting an idea and a thought out for discourse and hearing about being a whiner. Tell me why I should have felt fullfilled. Tell me why I should not feel underwhelmed.

If you do that...guess what? You may sway my thoughts to your point of view. How about that? Call me or my post whining and mention I am destroying the ratings because I am negative and you have done nothing but make people who want to share thoughts and opinions not share them.

Girdle up...write something that can change the mind of anyone you disagree with and we have something there. Sniping because you don't agree and then give no weight to a counter argument is just such a waste.

I don't know if you were speaking to me because I used the word 'whiner' but I wasn't addressing you.

I was speaking of people who come on week after week after week and have NOTHING good to say about the show and pick apart every little detail. Why these people keep posting and watching I don't know but they are bringing me down. I don't think you do that.

Sometimes they blindside me by posting in threads without any warning...sometimes I can put them on the 'ignore' list but more often than not someone quotes them in their posts and I still see it.

Its a bit depressing...

I don't know if you were speaking to me because I used the word 'whiner' but I wasn't addressing you.

I was speaking of people who come on week after week after week and have NOTHING good to say about the show and pick apart every little detail. Why these people keep posting and watching I don't know but they are bringing me down. I don't think you do that.

Sometimes they blindside me by posting in threads without any warning...sometimes I can put them on the 'ignore' list but more often than not someone quotes them in their posts and I still see it.

Its a bit depressing...

Nope...I respect your posts and the way you write things and knew what you meant and where you were coming from. You follow the same logic I try to follow in discourse...

I just am looking for people to maybe turn my feelings of "blah" from this show to somewhat upbeat..some folks have tried to do that by pointing out some things I didn't really give heed too...

I love this show and the range of emotion it offers us. There is so much to learn from the different charectors and how they interact and react to crisis.

Sometimes...I just want to hear that the way I felt about it wasn't wrong...but perhaps misguided because I didn't really take everything into account..

Interesting, the people who hate this episode (and others in the past) focus on one narrow piece of the episode. Those of us who like it look at in in a much larger context. (We also seem to write more...is that a coincidence?)

Not making a judgment at all--just pointing out the differences in personalities and worldviews all humans have.

Dmc,

Are you referring to me when you quote my text in your 12:37 AM post on Page 4? I spent 5 paragraphs on Page 3 describing elements that I liked about this episode, both subtle and obvious, starkly contrasting others whom disliked it. I also offered my opinion that the necessary plot convergence of the 2 groups was required, even if it appeared to be at the cost of other elements of the episode.

Why would you use me as an example of negativity when I was so positive and logical?

Curiously strong peppermang,
-Mang

I found it believable - because doctors don't dispense meds, nurses do. And with a critically ill patient, the meds would typically be dispensed by IV.



Both are unusual names, so I think it's natural he would remember her name. I think he was just shocked that she was still alive. As for Desmond, it was his unique way of speaking that Jack recognized first. Seeing as how his first encounter with Desmond came at a critical juncture in his life & Desmond's advice shaped his reaction to it, it is entirely plausible he'd remember that.


I keep thinking each episode is underwhelming, UNTIL I go back & really think about them. The story is being told more subtly this year & that's why I think we all tend to be underwhelmed at first glance.

Great post--shows a lot of what is best about this show. It has a great aftertaste, you know?

lol About the IV thing--wonder if Jack has found an IV unit in the hatch yet? At least he won't have to use Sun's sea urchin needles.

Seriously, though, we already know Jack's "what do you call that?" "Bedside manner?" "Yeah, that. Yours sucks, dude." And we know Sawyer has the hots for Kate, and in spite of her protest early last season, Kate recognizes they have a connection. So it's totally believable to me that she could talk Sawyer into swallowing the pill rather than letting himself die. If he knows she's interested in him, why wouldn't it be believable he found something to live for?

Regardless of the memorableness of the names, I think your second point is much more to the truth of the thing: Desmond's conversation with Jack came at such a significant point in his life that it'd be hard to believe it DIDN'T make an impression on him. Especially with his "brother" colloquialism--that's memorable, especially in that accent.

As for Ana Lucia, didn't she give him reassurance that "the worst part's over"? Didn't he need to hear that, about his grieving process? And she's a pretty woman, and she did offer to drink with him. Guys do remember those things! We have little black books in our heads. (Any male who would doubt he'd recall her name upon hearing it again, obviously hasn't run into a woman as memorable as AL was in the airport bar scene.)

Each week I show LOST in my English 11 classes. The students are riveted by the show, and although they whine a little about what the show doesn't tell us, the whining is in good fun, more of a "I can't believe I'm hooked on this show, when's the next one?" tone. That means I watch it a few times each week, not just once. For a show in which apparently not a lot of forward progress is made from minute to minute, it moves very fast upon re-viewing. And the truth is, the slow pace allows the creative people to pack a lot in. So as I watch it several times over, I find subtleties and character and plot information that I missed the first time through. And I always love seeing the expressions of the characters. They really nail facial emotional communication in a way Bo Derek never dreamed! :grin: So I completely agree, this show always stands up to second (and third and fourth) viewings.

I totally agree with you DMC. I have found that there is so much packed into the show that if I hadn't found this forum I would have missed many, many nuances and clues. Every time I rewatch the show something different comes out.

So, anyways, just popped in to see what all the hubbub was about and I would just like to say, in support of Bailey'sdad that we are all entitled to speak our thoughts and minds. I mean, for heaven's sake, I occasionally might mention that my husband has slight flaws, but that doesn't mean we're headed for divorce court. Just because someone says something that isn't glowly positive about Lost, doesn't mean that they shouldn't be allowed to hang out in the 'Lage or even watch the show. I think perhaps we could all use a little bit of Locke's orange happy sunshine smile and lighten up.
For what it's worth.