Shatterhand
11-23-2005, 11:33 PM
that they had seen Walt? :undecide:
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View Full Version : Why didn't Sayid tell Michael Shatterhand 11-23-2005, 11:33 PM that they had seen Walt? :undecide: diabolo237 11-23-2005, 11:36 PM Because maybe he realized that he didnt really see Walt since the others have him? Would you want to tell a guy that you saw his kidnapped son in the jungle soaking wet and talking backwards? LockeHurleySawyer 11-23-2005, 11:37 PM I think that he didn't want to get Mike's hopes up cause he just told him that the others got him from the raft. Remember he thought Shannon was dreaming. Maybe he thought he was hallucinating when he saw Walt. Either that or just oo much happened to him in a matter of hours. He went from getting a little "something-something", to being accused of not believing the said woman he got alittle "something-something" from, thought he saw Walt who should have been on a raft in his mind, saw his lover get shot, said lover died in his arms, gets in scuffle with Eko, then gets tied to a tree" I'd be in daze if I were him. dasummahchicka 11-23-2005, 11:38 PM i second that ^^ i think his mind was on other things, such as if miss ana lucia was going to kill him or not Breasmith 11-23-2005, 11:41 PM it looked like he struggled with hearing the others tool walt. he turned his head and kind of grimaced. i just think he's confused. too much on the brain at this point in time and he couldn't process what the hell was going on. Utopian Prototype Hatch Member 11-23-2005, 11:45 PM sayid did not see walt. he told shannon he did to calm her down and get nookie in the future-manipulation. shannon and sayid see things differently-rewatch the scene when vincent leads shannon to boones grave, then sayid arrives on the scene. beads on boones grave, his necklace change places in different scenes-this is not a continuity error, but showing in different points of view that sayid and shannon do not see the same thing when looking in the same places. sayid did not see walt. nookie theory. LockeHurleySawyer 11-23-2005, 11:47 PM I think he did see him at that time. His facial reaction showed it. And that is when he told her he saw her and she was excited that he finally believed her. Shatterhand 11-23-2005, 11:49 PM sayid did not see walt. he told shannon he did to calm her down and get nookie in the future-manipulation. shannon and sayid see things differently-rewatch the scene when vincent leads shannon to boones grave, then sayid arrives on the scene. beads on boones grave, his necklace change places in different scenes-this is not a continuity error, but showing in different points of view that sayid and shannon do not see the same thing when looking in the same places. sayid did not see walt. nookie theory. But didn't we see Sayid staring at Walt for a few seconds like he seen him? Utopian Prototype Hatch Member 11-23-2005, 11:50 PM But didn't we see Sayid staring at Walt for a few seconds like he seen him? nope, huitquinze 11-23-2005, 11:51 PM I think Sayid assumed Walt was, you know, actually there when he saw him, so he thought he must have been with the Michael crew. When Michael said that the "others" took Walt, Sayid probably just thought he was hallucinating or something. LockeHurleySawyer 11-23-2005, 11:51 PM But didn't we see Sayid staring at Walt for a few seconds like he seen him? We did! You could tell by Sayid's facial reaction that he did indeed see him, kinda had that look like 'man she was right'. Arcadia 11-23-2005, 11:51 PM Well, I think Sayid is confused. Now he knows Walt was taken. He thinks, Walt couldn't have been there. Did I really see him? Did I only see him because Shannon wanted me to? His girlfriend just died. He is confused and in emotional hell. He's starting to doubt what he saw. The moment slipped away, the topic shifted... he just kept his mout shut because he doesn't know what to say. That's one theory. He could be pretecting Michael. He could be concerned, now, about how Walt is being used by the others, especially since his appearence led to Shannon's death. The Others scare everyone, after all. Maybe he even wonders if they planned her death, and wonders why... Mostly, though, I think he was in shock and denial. getmeouttahere 11-23-2005, 11:51 PM sayid did not see walt. he told shannon he did to calm her down and get nookie in the future-manipulation. shannon and sayid see things differently-rewatch the scene when vincent leads shannon to boones grave, then sayid arrives on the scene. beads on boones grave, his necklace change places in different scenes-this is not a continuity error, but showing in different points of view that sayid and shannon do not see the same thing when looking in the same places. sayid did not see walt. nookie theory. If you watch that scene again, you'll see that Sayid sees Walt (shocked expression), Shannon turns to see what Sayid is looking at, Shannon sees Walt, she asks Sayid "do you see him?", Walt shushes her and runs off. To the original question....even after Sayid is done being "dazed" I doubt that he will tell Michael he saw Walt. Everybody seems to keep their island experiences to themselves. Shatterhand 11-23-2005, 11:51 PM Watch the episode again UPHM. beagle1962 11-23-2005, 11:53 PM sayid did not see walt. he told shannon he did to calm her down and get nookie in the future-manipulation. shannon and sayid see things differently-rewatch the scene when vincent leads shannon to boones grave, then sayid arrives on the scene. beads on boones grave, his necklace change places in different scenes-this is not a continuity error, but showing in different points of view that sayid and shannon do not see the same thing when looking in the same places. sayid did not see walt. nookie theory. i agree. i don't think sayid saw walt at all. i think he was just trying to calm shannon down (not necessarily the "nookie theory"--just a guy who needed a whacked-out-dame-in-in-the-middle-of-a-nasty-rainstorm to calm down). remember, he was an interrogator--say what they want to hear to gain their trust. it was just his training... LockeHurleySawyer 11-23-2005, 11:53 PM He nodded when she asked "did you see him?" He saw him. Guinevere 11-23-2005, 11:57 PM But didn't we see Sayid staring at Walt for a few seconds like he seen him? Yes, we did. I think that he just hadn't had time to process everything and figure out what he saw and what it meant and, so like everyone else on the island, he kept his mouth shut. :ohwell: Shatterhand 11-23-2005, 11:57 PM He had kind of a shocked expression when he was staring at Walt. If he was looking at nothing and thinking about lying to Shannon, I don't think he would have had that facial expression. And when he shook his head yes, it wasn't really a "no, but I'll just lie to make her happy" expression, it was that same shocked look, where his eyes were just glued on where Walt was. Dirt Merchant 11-24-2005, 12:05 AM sayid did not see walt. he told shannon he did to calm her down and get nookie in the future-manipulation. shannon and sayid see things differently-rewatch the scene when vincent leads shannon to boones grave, then sayid arrives on the scene. beads on boones grave, his necklace change places in different scenes-this is not a continuity error, but showing in different points of view that sayid and shannon do not see the same thing when looking in the same places. sayid did not see walt. nookie theory. I think that Sayid DID see Walt. In addition to that shocked look on his face that others have mentioned, one of the first things he asked Michael is "Where's Walt?" - he expected him to be there because he thought he had just seen him. I think that when Michael told him that the Others took him from the raft, Sayid felt this was too much to process, maybe began doubting what he had seen. But in any event, he had other things on his mind at the time than to try and sort that out. ForeverLost19 11-24-2005, 12:06 AM The feeling I had during the Mike/Sayid scene was that Sayid now understood what Danielle meant when she said the Others were coming for the boy. He now knows she wasn't lieing and they were not, in fact, coming for Claire's baby. And I'm also voting that Sayid DID see Walt in the jungle. However, I don't know if we'll see him admit it. He has not as yet admitting hearing the whispers and seems to be trying to talk himself into believing that he was hallucinating because of his injury. getmeouttahere 11-24-2005, 12:08 AM I think that Sayid DID see Walt. In addition to that shocked look on his face that others have mentioned, one of the first things he asked Michael is "Where's Walt?" - he expected him to be there because he thought he had just seen him. I think that when Michael told him that the Others took him from the raft, Sayid felt this was too much to process, maybe began doubting what he had seen. But in any event, he had other things on his mind at the time than to try and sort that out. EXACTLY !! VictoriaFoxtrot 11-24-2005, 12:14 AM I interpreted Sayid's reaction differently than all of you. Sayid hasn't had time to process the guilt he feels for not believing Shannon, and now Mike gives him information that brings that guilt home to him. Remember, the first time Shannon claimed to see Walt, Sayid told her it was impossible because Walt was on the boat. That was his whole reason for not believing her. Now he knows Walt wasn't on the boat, even then, and if only he had believed Shannon from the beginning, her death could have been avoided. LostPack 11-24-2005, 12:15 AM But didn't we see Sayid staring at Walt for a few seconds like he seen him? It certainly looks like he saw something - i took the clip and played with the frame rate to slow it down - and I put lines around Walt Walt - when he was seen in his frame - and it sure looks like Sayid sees something.. here's the clip: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/elpack/waltwalt2.gif At this point (in tonight's episode that is) Sayid has lots to process before he can even get back to thinking about Walt Walt. I would guess that when the time is better, he will eventually give some thought to it - for now all he knows is he saw drippy walt walt whispering and Micheal says the others took him.. not really much he could say that would make any sense. torb28 11-24-2005, 12:58 AM I think Sayid saw Walt. It's his gaze at Walt that directs Shannon to look that way. All of the posts above regarding the thoughts he must be having now that Michael has told him about Walt's abduction seem accurate. So many thoughts all jumbled together. I think it will take Sayid and us a long time to sort through them. waltisfuture 11-24-2005, 01:08 AM I interpreted Sayid's reaction differently than all of you. Sayid hasn't had time to process the guilt he feels for not believing Shannon, and now Mike gives him information that brings that guilt home to him. Remember, the first time Shannon claimed to see Walt, Sayid told her it was impossible because Walt was on the boat. That was his whole reason for not believing her. Now he knows Walt wasn't on the boat, even then, and if only he had believed Shannon from the beginning, her death could have been avoided. I totally agree with you. He realized that Shannon knew Walt was alone (her big issue) and needed her help. He's feeling sooo guilty. He said Ana had no plan, all she had was a gun and guilt. Peacock Spring 11-24-2005, 01:09 AM sayid did not see walt. he told shannon he did to calm her down and get nookie in the future-manipulation. shannon and sayid see things differently-rewatch the scene when vincent leads shannon to boones grave, then sayid arrives on the scene. beads on boones grave, his necklace change places in different scenes-this is not a continuity error, but showing in different points of view that sayid and shannon do not see the same thing when looking in the same places. sayid did not see walt. nookie theory. I disagree. This is what I'm thinking: If Sayid hadn't seen Walt, then the camera would show nothing, no Walt, when Sayid was looking in that direction (to let us know that he saw nothing). And then he would placate Shannon by saying, "Yes, I see him," even though we saw that he didn't, if your theory were true. But when Sayid looked, there was Walt. I think it was the director's way of letting us know that he really did see him. There are certain things they can do to get that point across without having JJ break in at that point and say, in a whisper, "Ok, folks, now what you're seeing here is this........." Having us see Walt, when Sayid looks in that direction, is one of those ways. ForeverLost19 11-24-2005, 01:12 AM There are certain things they can do to get that point across without having JJ break in at that point and say, in a whisper, "Ok, folks, now what you're seeing here is this........." Those poor writers... they must get so frustrated sometimes! Must be why they're now doing the podcasts after each new episode - it's to nip wrong theories in the bud! Peacock Spring 11-24-2005, 01:16 AM [FONT=Tahoma]I think that Sayid DID see Walt. In addition to that shocked look on his face that others have mentioned, one of the first things he asked Michael is "Where's Walt?" - he expected him to be there because he thought he had just seen him. YES! And he saw him run in the direction that Shannon ran, which was where Michael and the other tailies were. So naturally, he thought Walt had run back to his father. I think Sayid took Walt's warning to be quiet as a sign to....shockingly enough....be quiet, and certainly not to run in that direction, which is why he was frantically trying to keep Shannon from doing so. He probably thought the Others were nearby, which may be why he didn't say anything when Michael told him that Walt had been taken....maybe he thought it had just happened? I can't imagine how he could have had time to logically process anything at a time like that. silveranswer 11-24-2005, 01:31 AM I interpreted Sayid's reaction differently than all of you. Sayid hasn't had time to process the guilt he feels for not believing Shannon, and now Mike gives him information that brings that guilt home to him. Remember, the first time Shannon claimed to see Walt, Sayid told her it was impossible because Walt was on the boat. That was his whole reason for not believing her. Now he knows Walt wasn't on the boat, even then, and if only he had believed Shannon from the beginning, her death could have been avoided. This is exactly what I thought! Maybe he even considers that the others were using Walt and/or his image to lure Shannon away from the camp so they could get her. . . but Ana beat them to it. shanzy288 11-24-2005, 04:06 AM sayid did not see walt. he told shannon he did to calm her down and get nookie in the future-manipulation. shannon and sayid see things differently-rewatch the scene when vincent leads shannon to boones grave, then sayid arrives on the scene. beads on boones grave, his necklace change places in different scenes-this is not a continuity error, but showing in different points of view that sayid and shannon do not see the same thing when looking in the same places. sayid did not see walt. nookie theory. interesting point lightnshadows 11-24-2005, 04:24 AM I agree Sayid definitely saw Walt...he tensed up when Walt appeared before Shannon turned around...she turned around because she saw him tense up, similar to Jack's reaction when he saw Kate tense up when she saw Eko and Sawyer... Also I agree there was some doubt there....Sayid was in shock from everything that just happened including Shannon's death, surprised by Michael, Sawyer, Jin and total strangers in,AL's group ...not to mention understanding that AL was contemplating possibly murdering him...a lot of things to think about...that whole question was something I'm sure he wants to mull over first...Sayid's very analytical and he always shows that he chooses his words carefully so I don't think this was a stretch, appeared to be right in character.... piscescat 11-24-2005, 05:52 AM Sayid saw Walt but he didn't hear Walt speaking backwards and so he might think Walt was there somehow even as it's unlikely since he wasn't doing anything terribly weird. With the rain, Walt being wet wasn't unusual either. I was so sure Sayid would tell Mike that he saw Walt, but then he didn't and the moment passed. I was holding my breath, waiting to see what Mike's reaction woudl be. But there was already plenty going on to keep the episode moving forward. I'm wondering if Walt will appear again and if so, will it be to Sayid or someone else? Will he appear to his dad, now that his dad is back in the camp? If Sayid sees Walt again, will he get to hear him speak backwards? I do hope that Walt is still alive and that somehow his appearances can help him be found, and possibly free the other children like Alex and the Tailie kids. sheba 11-24-2005, 05:56 AM But didn't we see Sayid staring at Walt for a few seconds like he seen him? Yes, and he said yes when Shannon asked if he saw Walt. As to why he didn't say anything to Michael. He saw him under pretty weird conditions, which would be difficult to explain without sounding like a lunatic ... and secondly, sharing information of any description is not a common longsuit among any of the lostaways ... original or tailies. ikon 11-24-2005, 06:30 AM I don't think the writers want us to know if he saw Walt or not. If Sayid saw Walt the implications would be that Walt was REALLY THERE. somehow. And if that were the case it would bring the viewers a whole other set of questions like how was he there? or how was he projecting himself there? The fact that we still aren't sure if he was there or not is exactly what they want us to think right now. That's why tonight's episode was so ambigious on this point. Had Sayid seen Walt, his seeing Michael and company would not be a shock. Cuz he just saw Walt. So when he asks Michael where Walt is, it's almost as if to ask "where did he go? I just saw him." Michael's answer confused him and now he isn't sure what to think. Had Sayid NOT seen Walt, his question would just have been "I see 3 of you, where is Walt?" And Michael's answer makes him wonder about the legitimacy of Shannon's sightings followed by feelings of guilt and even more confusion. The end result is the same, so both are possible. I do agree that he saw her based on his expression in ep 6 just before Shannon was shot. However unlike all the questions about whether AL shot Shannon or not, I believe this was intentionally ambiguous and the creators don't want us to know right this moment so there is no way to reason it out with what we know. Laurieg 11-24-2005, 06:41 AM I don't think the writers want us to know if he saw Walt or not. If Sayid saw Walt the implications would be that Walt was REALLY THERE. somehow. And if that were the case it would bring the viewers a whole other set of questions like how was he there? or how was he projecting himself there? The fact that we still aren't sure if he was there or not is exactly what they want us to think right now. That's why tonight's episode was so ambigious on this point. I totally agree with this. EllsBells1960 11-24-2005, 08:57 AM nope, Yes.... Stabbey_the_Clown 11-24-2005, 09:10 AM FACT: Sayid saw Walt. It is NOT a big trick by the writers to play on the audience so that 10 episodes down the line they can go "Ah ha ha what was on screen wasn't real. Sayid never saw Walt. Bwahahahahahahahahaha! Fooled you!" I think it's a good idea to stop assuming that everything on-screen is an elaborate trick to fool the audience. **** He didn't tell Michael because it wasn't the right time. He was beating himself up for not believing Shannon, which is why she rushed off into the jungle by herself which is why she got shot. LytaAlexander 11-24-2005, 09:26 AM I agree Sayid definitely saw Walt...he tensed up when Walt appeared before Shannon turned around...she turned around because she saw him tense up, similar to Jack's reaction when he saw Kate tense up when she saw Eko and Sawyer... Also I agree there was some doubt there....Sayid was in shock from everything that just happened including Shannon's death, surprised by Michael, Sawyer, Jin and total strangers in,AL's group ...not to mention understanding that AL was contemplating possibly murdering him...a lot of things to think about...that whole question was something I'm sure he wants to mull over first...Sayid's very analytical and he always shows that he chooses his words carefully so I don't think this was a stretch, appeared to be right in character.... I totally agree. Sayid saw Walt and thought he was physically there, not some kind of vision. So when Michael says the Others took him from the raft days ago, not just as we were coming towards you, Sayid's a little freaked. Did anyone else think Sayid was having a seizure? He seemed to really lose it right then. I thought his eyes were going to roll up in his head. I mean he didn't have a seizure in the end, but it looked like it was going that way for a few seconds. That smack on the head seemed to have scrambled his brains a bit. Sayid didn't say anything because he was really freaked out by Michael's statement. He didn't know what to say or think. iamicarus 11-24-2005, 09:34 AM FACT: Sayid saw Walt. It is NOT a big trick by the writers to play on the audience so that 10 episodes down the line they can go "Ah ha ha what was on screen wasn't real. Sayid never saw Walt. Bwahahahahahahahahaha! Fooled you!" I think it's a good idea to stop assuming that everything on-screen is an elaborate trick to fool the audience. **** He didn't tell Michael because it wasn't the right time. He was beating himself up for not believing Shannon, which is why she rushed off into the jungle by herself which is why she got shot. I AGREE!!!! It is so weird how people interpret these episodes. It was so obvious that Syid finally saw Walt and believed Shannon hence her rushing into the jungle with Vincent. Syid's reaction to Micheal showed so much guilt and frustration that he had SEEN him and the realization set in that he didn't believe Shannon the first time. The thing I don't get is, how in that moment, how he didn't tell Micheal that he had seen him????? That was a little unbelievable to me........I was yelling at the TV screen, "Tell him you saw WALT"!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAH! ForeverLost19 11-24-2005, 10:33 AM Thinking about this again, my feeling is that when Micheal told Sayid that the Others had taken Walt, Sayid was like "great, now I'm seeing visions! It's not enough that I hear whispers, now there's visions too!". We have to remember that Sayid believes that Danielle is crazy and (I believe) she is the only other person that he knows of that also claimed to have heard whispers. Also, he has been warned of the sickness. Is it possible that he takes hearing voices and seeing visions as signs/symptoms of the sickness? Would he try to deny it to himself and not tell anyone about it? I think it's possible. Also, I agree that was not the best moment to tell a distraught father that he had just seen his son dripping water and speaking in tongues... Zada 11-24-2005, 11:00 AM I agree that Sayid did see Walt and the reason he didn't say anything to Michael is the same reason why Jack didn't say anything at first about seeing his dad. Any person who considers themselves sane and sees or hears something abnormal is very reluctant to admit what they saw or heard. I know I'd be thinking, "Am I going losing it?" BuffyMars 11-24-2005, 11:02 AM I think when he asked him where Walt was, and Michael told him about the kidnapping, he figured maybe now wasn't the right time to bring up such a sensitive subject. MRLeff78 11-24-2005, 11:23 AM I thought for sure that Walt was going to be found when Sayid and Shannon both saw him at the same time. But then Shannon was killed and Walt didn't come walking out from the trees like I hoped he would. Still, I 'm with the folks that believe he saw Walt. I'm still trying to figure out whassup with the backwards talking thing. Doesn't it seem a bit like warmed over Twin Peaks. Oops, I mentioned the "Show That Will Not Be Named". It seems about half the articles I read about Lost mentioned that TPTB were trying not to string people along too far the way TP did and got cancelled for it. kachopra 11-24-2005, 11:35 AM Did Locke not notice that Walt wasn't with Michael? The three main people that bonded with Walt were Boone, Shannon and Locke...he is the only one left so i would of thought they would of given that attention..maybe next week? O and also, Michael has never been in the hatch right??? They didnt seem to make anything of that. belshep 11-24-2005, 12:14 PM We have to remember that Sayid believes that Danielle is crazy and (I believe) she is the only other person that he knows of that also claimed to have heard whispers. Also, he has been warned of the sickness. Is it possible that he takes hearing voices and seeing visions as signs/symptoms of the sickness? Would he try to deny it to himself and not tell anyone about it? I think it's possible. This is what I think too. In fact, the Shannon/Walt incidents reminded me of Sayid's experience with Danielle. Danielle tells Sayid about hearing voices - he doesn't believe her - he then hears voices. Later, Shannon says she sees Walt - he doesn't believe her - he then sees Walt. I think Sayid originally feared that he had the 'sickness' when he heard the whispers, then he feared that Shannon had the sickness when she claimed to see Walt the first two times. After Sayid saw him too, I think he was afriad they were both sick and he questioned whether the Walt they saw was real or not. When Michael confirms that Walt is 'missing', it must have further confused Sayid about whether or not they saw the real Walt. beagle1962 11-24-2005, 05:46 PM Sayid asked Michael "where is Walt?", NOT because he had seen him, but because he had seen Michael, Jin and Sawyer and knew Walt had been on the raft with them. Why would he ASK Michael where he was if he had just seen him? He would have TOLD Michael where he was. When Michael said "the others took him", Sayid then had to process the fact that Shannon had said she had seen him--more than once (when he did not), and the guilt for not believing her (again, because he didn't see him) and, therefore, letting the others get away with Walt. If Sayid had seen Walt, he would have gone after him, especially now that we know he had his gun with him. belshep 11-24-2005, 06:24 PM beagle, I interpreted that in a completely different way! I thought he asked "Where is Walt" because he had just seen him and assumed the group was all together (not knowing about the abduction on the raft) and that Walt ran right back to Michael after he appeared to Sayid and Shannon. I thought it was more like "where did he go, he was just here?" That's what so great about this show - people see the same thing and come away with different conclusions! beagle1962 11-24-2005, 07:58 PM beagle, I interpreted that in a completely different way! I thought he asked "Where is Walt" because he had just seen him and assumed the group was all together (not knowing about the abduction on the raft) and that Walt ran right back to Michael after he appeared to Sayid and Shannon. I thought it was more like "where did he go, he was just here?" That's what so great about this show - people see the same thing and come away with different conclusions! I agree. One of the best things about this show, and the 'Lage, is that there are so many interpretations of a single event! I've also spent more time researching and learning during the course of this show than I have in the years since I've been out of school. Whether my theory--or anyone else's--is right or wrong doesn't matter to me nearly as much as the fact that it makes me think and opens my eyes to new perspectives. What fun! belshep 11-24-2005, 08:47 PM Me too - this show is like an ongoing riddle and puzzle rolled into one. And I love puzzles. And I hear you about the research - afrer many episodes I find myself googling things about geography, mythology, psychology, etc. Lost is fun and educational at the same time! Peacock Spring 11-24-2005, 11:01 PM Sayid asked Michael "where is Walt?", NOT because he had seen him, but because he had seen Michael, Jin and Sawyer and knew Walt had been on the raft with them. Why would he ASK Michael where he was if he had just seen him? He would have TOLD Michael where he was. If Sayid had just seen Walt, and then Walt ran away, and the direction that he ran was exactly where Sayid then saw Michael, it would be a perfectly normal thing for him to then ask, "Where's Walt?" (That's starting to sound suspiciously like "Waldo", isn't it?), because he had just seen him a few minutes before, and he would have been wondering why he wasn't there now. My thinking is that he asked because he had just seen him run in the direction of his father, so Sayid thought Walt would be right there. Then, when Michael said that the Others took him, Sayid probably started wondering if he really HAD seen Walt, or maybe he thought the Others took him right then, between the time he saw him, and the time he asked Michael where he was. It would be very understandable to be overwhelmingly confused at that point. beagle1962 11-24-2005, 11:05 PM Another interesting perspective....thanks, Peacock! goddessblue 11-25-2005, 04:35 AM I don't think the writers want us to know if he saw Walt or not. If Sayid saw Walt the implications would be that Walt was REALLY THERE. somehow. And if that were the case it would bring the viewers a whole other set of questions like how was he there? or how was he projecting himself there? The fact that we still aren't sure if he was there or not is exactly what they want us to think right now. That's why tonight's episode was so ambigious on this point. Had Sayid seen Walt, his seeing Michael and company would not be a shock. Cuz he just saw Walt. So when he asks Michael where Walt is, it's almost as if to ask "where did he go? I just saw him." Michael's answer confused him and now he isn't sure what to think. Had Sayid NOT seen Walt, his question would just have been "I see 3 of you, where is Walt?" And Michael's answer makes him wonder about the legitimacy of Shannon's sightings followed by feelings of guilt and even more confusion. The end result is the same, so both are possible. I do agree that he saw her based on his expression in ep 6 just before Shannon was shot. However unlike all the questions about whether AL shot Shannon or not, I believe this was intentionally ambiguous and the creators don't want us to know right this moment so there is no way to reason it out with what we know. I tend to agree with this. After Abandoned aired, I remember posting that I wasn't sure Sayid really did see Walt, I thought at the time he might just be saying he did to appease Shannon and to calm her down. "Yes, yes, I see him. Now let's get you back to camp," kinda thing. I will agree that it appears like Sayid sees Walt. But so much in this show is not what it appears. We can't take everything at face value with Lost. iamicarus 11-25-2005, 09:29 AM I thought for sure that Walt was going to be found when Sayid and Shannon both saw him at the same time. But then Shannon was killed and Walt didn't come walking out from the trees like I hoped he would. Still, I 'm with the folks that believe he saw Walt. I'm still trying to figure out whassup with the backwards talking thing. Doesn't it seem a bit like warmed over Twin Peaks. Oops, I mentioned the "Show That Will Not Be Named". It seems about half the articles I read about Lost mentioned that TPTB were trying not to string people along too far the way TP did and got cancelled for it. oh god!!!!.....please, say it isn't so....... jettis 11-25-2005, 01:53 PM I tend to agree with this. After Abandoned aired, I remember posting that I wasn't sure Sayid really did see Walt, I thought at the time he might just be saying he did to appease Shannon and to calm her down. "Yes, yes, I see him. Now let's get you back to camp," kinda thing. I will agree that it appears like Sayid sees Walt. But so much in this show is not what it appears. We can't take everything at face value with Lost. He did see Walt. He was the one that saw him first, and then Shannon turned around and saw him too. getmeouttahere 11-25-2005, 02:39 PM Sayid certainly had a shocked look on his face, seeing something behind Shannon. If it wasn't Walt he was seeing, what would it have been? Had to be Walt. BuffyMars 11-25-2005, 02:46 PM Yup, here's the face: http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x06-abandoned/9/abandoned-cap843.jpg At first I was going to say that he just said he saw Walt to make Shannon feel better, but this proves that he did see Walt. beagle1962 11-25-2005, 03:53 PM Yup, here's the face: http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x06-abandoned/9/abandoned-cap843.jpg At first I was going to say that he just said he saw Walt to make Shannon feel better, but this proves that he did see Walt. i can see how you would come to that conclusion based on your interpretation of the screencap--and you may be absolutely right, time will tell--but it is not "proof". Proof: any factual evidence that helps to establish the truth of something; "if you have any proof for what you say, now is the time to produce it" a formal series of statements showing that if one thing is true something else necessarily follows from it validation: the act of validating; finding or testing the truth of something A proof is a sequence of statements (made up of axioms, assumptions and arguments) leading to the establishment of the truth of one final statement. LostMyMarbles 11-28-2005, 01:21 PM I interpreted Sayid's reaction differently than all of you. Sayid hasn't had time to process the guilt he feels for not believing Shannon, and now Mike gives him information that brings that guilt home to him. Remember, the first time Shannon claimed to see Walt, Sayid told her it was impossible because Walt was on the boat. That was his whole reason for not believing her. Now he knows Walt wasn't on the boat, even then, and if only he had believed Shannon from the beginning, her death could have been avoided. I agree. That groan Sayid let out after Michael told him about Walt's kidnapping was heartbreaking--THIS is when Sayid reaches the absolute low point, and he will now blame himself forever for not having taken Shannon seriously in the first place. getmeouttahere 11-30-2005, 06:39 PM There's a thread in the spoiler section (insiderscoop) that will put the whole "did he see him or not" question to rest. |