So the producers showed us at least 3 different shots (at different times) of Eko looking at the hatch guns. he did not look happy. in fact, he looked quite unhappy. obviously, with AL the trigger happy badass running around, i can understand why he would be concerned with more guns. but, on the other hand, you would think he would see an opportunity to possibly hunt and then recover the kids. but i did not get that impression - he seemed very concerned and doubtful.

im just wondering if they're setting us up for a lot of gunshot bloodshed. something or other will come of those weapons...i guess the question is who will decide to use them and for what purpose. maybe eko will try to preempt their use at all? (kinda like he did tonight?)

not sure, just thought this segment was odd. to much focus on eko looking at the guns.

He may have just realized that they were armed to the teeth and that if they wanted to take out AL they could do it easily. Therefore, he felt that it was important to reach a peaceful conclusion.

Maybe he realises that guns don't always mean good things...usually someone ends up shot or dead.

I would not be surprised to see that supply of guns get destroyed. Eko is shaping up to be a priest perhaps and if he is deeply religious or more pointedly, passive, then he may try and eliminate the guns in fear of the possible violent conclusion things seem to be headed. Overall.

I would not be surprised to see that supply of guns get destroyed. Eko is shaping up to be a priest perhaps and if he is deeply religious or more pointedly, passive, then he may try and eliminate the guns in fear of the possible violent conclusion things seem to be headed. Overall.

I agree with you think he might want to see the guns destroyed (doubt they will be, though), but I hardly see Eko as passive. He killed two of the Others. He made weapons. He helped Ana Lucia find out whether Michel, Sawyer, and Jin were good or evil. He defied Ana Lucia to save Sawyer's life. He is not passive.

I'm betting he's had a bad history with guns. Just a wild guess. Original, huh?

I'm in binary mode, so I'm seeing this as another layer in of the binary between Locke and Eko. Locke sees guns as tools; we know this because he learned about guns when he was with his father hunting. They are a means to an end. Eko, I think we will discover, sees guns as weapons, and horrible ones. If he didn't see them as a sourse of evil before, I bet he does now after seeing Ana Lucia kill a girl with a gun. Tool v Weapon. The same object, but for each a different meaning... It reminds me happily of an episode of "Firefly". River: "It's just an object. It doesn't mean what you think." ;-)

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I know you will think I am crazy, but I am not convinced that Ana shot Shannon, as I think the wound was too big for the gun Ana had... and becasue of that theory, I thought Mr. Eko (My favorite tail ender) was looking at the shotguns and putting 2 and 2 together. Then, when he told Jack Ana Lucia made a mistake, I was hoping he meant made a mistake in thinking that she shot Shannon. There are many reasons why I am not buying that Ana shot Shannon, but I wont bore you with those here... but just wait until I find the appropriate thread! :)

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I agree with you think he might want to see the guns destroyed (doubt they will be, though), but I hardly see Eko as passive. He killed two of the Others. He made weapons. He helped Ana Lucia find out whether Michel, Sawyer, and Jin were good or evil. He defied Ana Lucia to save Sawyer's life. He is not passive.

Yes he did kill two Others but it clearly affected him badly. It was self defense. By passive I am not implying "victim." I guess maybe non-murderous might be better? That's why he was clearly bothered by his killing of the two Others. The attacks and kidnappings clearly made him step forward and be willing to act as a protector of those who remained such as when he used hi big stick in the capture of Michael, Jin and Sawyer (he thought they were 'Others')

And speaking of the stick I know it may be really cheesy but it reminds me the real life story behind the Walking Tall movie (the original). Sheriff Pussler refused to use guns in his effort to clear up his county. He carved a giant hickory 'stick' and used it to wreak havoc on persons and property. Even though he was fighting people that would just as soon shoot you as look at ya he refused to use guns in return.

He was more new testament than old testament. Minus the "turn the other cheek" thing. He had a duty and a moral code than required him to defend, protect and bring elimintae 'evil.' I feel that any 'aggressive' action Eko has taken or will take is an effort to combat 'evil.'

interesting thought about the stick. he would prefer to engage in hand to hand combat rather then using a weapon which can kill from a distance. very much like locke and his knives. also very much like the others.

and maybe this is exactly what makes this whole island seem so odd. here we are in the middle of nowhere with a bunch of people obviously trained or experienced in hand to hand and who prefer to use that method. and yet a stockpile of some obviously dangerous and seemingly more modern guns sits in close proximity. doesn't make sense...the two extremes don't merge. unless this is Army Ranger training :) (at which point baby aaron better learn to walk real quick :) )

Hope this isn't in another thread, but why is Eko in the hatch anyway?? Here's a guy just popped out of the forest with Sawyer who is shot. I would think "don't let him NEAR the guns!" My thoughts when he saw the armory were he's really uncomfortable. Wait, he may be thinking about going for a gun, or he knows that if he isn't careful in what he says, things are gonna get bad, and they almost do.

Oh, okay. When I think "passive" I think of it as the opposite of active, meaning that a passive person sits around and lets things happen. Eko definately has agency. He reacts to his enviornement. Therefore, in my mind, he is active. I agree, lol, that he is definately non-murderous!

He was more new testament than old testament. Minus the "turn the other cheek" thing. He had a duty and a moral code than required him to defend, protect and bring elimintae 'evil.' I feel that any 'aggressive' action Eko has taken or will take is an effort to combat 'evil.'

I think this is definately true. Well, sorta. I'm the kind of viewer who is always waiting for what I think is true to be bashed with a hammer... But for now, I believe he is good and would only harm other outs of self-defense.

As for the "he looked at the guns and put two and two together" theory... that's a god theory. There is evidence for that, definately.

Hope this isn't in another thread, but why is Eko in the hatch anyway?? Here's a guy just popped out of the forest with Sawyer who is shot. I would think "don't let him NEAR the guns!" My thoughts when he saw the armory were he's really uncomfortable. Wait, he may be thinking about going for a gun, or he knows that if he isn't careful in what he says, things are gonna get bad, and they almost do.

Interesting thought, KoN.

I thought last week that maybe Eko (by the way, did you catch the line in the police station about where they caught AL's shooter? In Echo Park...) had a history as a fighter--he does come from somewhere in Africa, which has had many civil wars over the past couple of decades. I can see where at one time he might have been a freedom fighter, or a government lackey, but changed and became a priest. Or vice versa (that's actually my original thought--he handled that Bible last week with such tenderness it seemed to me like he was touching a long-lost past...) :turkey:

The writers probably are letting us assume that on the way back Ecko explained enough to Jack that he was helping. they just didnt show it.

He was eyeing those guns like a hungry lion.

If I were one of the tailies, I'd look at those guns and realize that not only could I defend myself against the Others, I could saddle up a hunting party and go find the Others and rescue Walt and everyone else they kidnapped...

Yeah, I'd say his wheels were turning, not his stomach. I think he realized that they were well armed and would use the guns on Ana.

Beyond that my first thought was - "The gun room should be locked up guys" - not cool.

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There's no doubt in my mind that Eko is looking at those guns and thinking, "We could use these against the Others and get the kids back." No doubt at all.

Isn't there an episode coming up called "The Hunting Party?"

I think pacifist is the word, not passive. And even pacifists can defend themselves. It does look like Eko is some kind of priest or at least a deeply religious man. I hope we get to see his backstory. I'm sure it's very interesting.

As for his being in the hatch, well he did bring Sawyer back and asked directly for the doctor. Kate's reaction was great- one of the men she cares for being carried by some physically imposing stranger. I'm sure Eko's manner let Jack and Kate know he meant them no harm and besides, they'd be more concerned with getting Sawyer help than worrying about whether Eko was following them. I don't remember if they showed whether Eko carried Sawyer to the hatch or not. I know Jack was awkwardly carrying Sawyer to the shower.

There's no doubt in my mind that Eko is looking at those guns and thinking, "We could use these against the Others and get the kids back." No doubt at all.

Isn't there an episode coming up called "The Hunting Party?"

I kinda think that's what Eko was thinking. He took care of the children from the tail section. He left the group to help Michael possibly find Walt. But we havent seen Eko with a gun in his hands yet.

I think the shot only shows that eko is a man who thinks things through before he does something. He had been there for a few minutes maybe and already encountered more people than his original band has left, finds a stash of guns that could easily arm those people and when he adds ana lucia with her hostage and the rest of the tail-end people to the equasion he just knows it will get ugly when they meet (or collide so to speak)

I don't think he was considering anything else at the time. Only thinking about, god, I do hope that they don't get a reason to go out there with all those guns, because he knew that things would be going wrong from there on. How do you think that ana lucia would react to anybody appearing in her hostage clearing with weapons in their hand.

Don't forget, maybe eko just thought about what would happen if angry fuselage survivors would set out to find paranoid and trigger happy ana.

My thoughts about Eko looking at the guns was that he is tired of all the death and tension that has happened on the island and now these people have a whole arsenal of guns, how much more death can he take?

His response of going to Ana without the guns I think was spot on. Showing up with guns drawn and pointed at her would have created a wicked mess of an already messy situation.

I agree with Zada 100%.

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