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Karri
11-23-2005, 09:08 PM
What did you think?

onenil
11-23-2005, 11:44 PM
No poll?

domslady07
11-23-2005, 11:44 PM
Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. Best episode ever. The show is totally back on track. It paid off on so many levels I'm going to have to gather my thoughts a while.
Ditto Loved this Episode :biggrin:

Vertical
11-23-2005, 11:46 PM
Completely disagree with the original post. This show is losing it's track.

LockeHurleySawyer
11-23-2005, 11:46 PM
loved It!!!

theMidnighter
11-23-2005, 11:49 PM
I thought it was a great episode and a wonderful addition to what has been a great season. I don't hate Ana-Lucia the way many fans do. I could always see where she was coming from but I had no context and tonight I was given a context. But even if I did hate her, it was a good episode with good flashbacks that went in depth into the character and why there are the way they are. Plus, the island story was great as well. I wouldn't say it is in my top five episodes or anything but it was most assuredly a wonderful episode.

Utopian Prototype Hatch Member
11-23-2005, 11:49 PM
sayid stole the show with the revelations that "the whispers torture me" and ana isnt worth killing since "we are already dead" oh yeah and all those reunions michael had 3 sun vincent and jack! but rose and bernard was the best.

lonegunwoman
11-23-2005, 11:50 PM
I enjoyed this episode. Great storytelling with AL, good interaction with the Tailees and Lostees throughout and wonderful reunion.
I think the show is back on track as well.

onenil
11-24-2005, 12:04 AM
LOL you responded faster than the time it took to create it ;)
Heh, sorry. :biggrin:

It was a pretty good episode. I actually dislike AL even more but to me that's a good thing because it now gives me someone to root against, which I really haven't had on the show ever since Saywer turned out to be such a softie! :coolorng:

addicted2much
11-24-2005, 12:08 AM
OK, some weeks have been kind of meh, but tonight was Lost at it's best for me.:biggrin: I was completely spoiled on this ep and still I :heart:

lisagwilkins
11-24-2005, 12:09 AM
oh our darlin Sawyer being so sick....and then being so in love with Kate....oh it is good to be a LOST-y....

this was without a doubt the best show ever...I haven't cried this much in years....I cried when Kate held Sawyer and helped him take the medicine, I cried when she told him he was home, I cried when everyone re-united on the beach and I cried in preview when Sawyer said "I love her."

Oh it was so good....keep it up guys, I could go on for years like this.

PosseGal
11-24-2005, 12:10 AM
I already posted in another thread, but I am on Vertical's side...this show is starting to slip big time.

There were good moments, MOMENTS, in the show, but the story, the back story were both lacking in many ways.

pacejunkie
11-24-2005, 12:11 AM
I loved it! It was great to see Charlie and Hurley joking together. Charlie was practically his old self. Glad Claire wasn't in it. Totally blown away to find out AL was pregnant and that she was the one shot as opposed to her accidentally shooting someone else when she was a cop. Didn't see that coming. Loved the reunions. I couldn't wait to see Bernard and Rose together. It was all worth it. Awesome show.

lost loveR
11-24-2005, 12:15 AM
Loved this episode! I have to admit that I actually cried at the end of it - the scene where Sayid is carrying Shannon's body just broke my heart. And I agree with another posting - the reunion between Bernard and Rose was very sweet.

belshep
11-24-2005, 12:21 AM
The island scenes were great, but I was underwhelmed by Ana's backstory. I just dislike this character and can't muster any sympathy for her at all - I wish she would go away.

lostfan4ever
11-24-2005, 12:27 AM
I'm sorry but I don't find anything compelling about Ana Lucia, time to move back to the original characters. The only thing good about this eppy were the reunions at the end.

torb28
11-24-2005, 12:49 AM
Loved it! Bernard and Rose...priceless!

knitngurl
11-24-2005, 12:50 AM
This episode was OK, I'm not a big AL fan. I was actually kinda happy when she was going to go off by herself, I thought "yay, another Danielle!" Sayid was great. My teenager thinks he and AL should hook up.

The_Sheppardess
11-24-2005, 12:58 AM
I didn't think it was the best episode ever, but I really enjoyed it (just like I've really enjoyed the past three or four). I agree that the show seems to be back "on track" and it seems to be picking up speed. The meeting of the two groups opens up so many doors and I can't wait to see what happens. :smile:

I love this show!

mariner803
11-24-2005, 01:13 AM
Honestly, this episode gives me at least some reason to come back next week. As die hard a fan as I was last year, I've been having a hard time conjuring up the desire to watch AL be a bad arse for yet another hour. And I'd gotten pretty tired of watching Eko toss around everyone from last season. It was refreshing to see Sayid hold his own. Even more irritating was the total lack of backbone evidenced by last season's crew. Lost created characters last season, and lost them this season.

I hope to see them found again.

Kudos to Jack and Sayid.

spike13
11-24-2005, 02:02 AM
good episode, but still not on the edge of your seat like season 1.

notlost, justexploring
11-24-2005, 02:23 AM
What's with ALL the comercials?

SpankyMcFister
11-24-2005, 02:45 AM
My write-in vote is,

Compared with the average season 1 episode it rates a 3.5 / 10

Vashanti
11-24-2005, 02:49 AM
Loved seeing the reunion of Bernard and his wife. That was a touching scene. :)

Hated all the Ana Loonia Psycho crap.

4EvrLOST
11-24-2005, 02:53 AM
I came in about 20 mins late, I'll catch up on that tomorrow. I'm sorry but I was having Thanksgiving dinner with the family. We had ours a day early since everyone in my family is working tomorrow. But anywhoo.... from what I saw I liked and I cried at the end with Bernard and Rose and Jin and Sun.

It'll be REAL interesting to see what become of AL and Jack. And FINALLY find out about Kate.

MellonCollie
11-24-2005, 03:06 AM
T'was a decent episode. I started to doze off during AL's flashbacks, but the events on the island managed to hold my attention.

jbdean
11-24-2005, 03:18 AM
I voted above average but I would have voted it higher if not for AL. Just can't enjoy the show like I used to with her on it. She's just ruining it for me. :frown:

Jomama
11-24-2005, 03:29 AM
I voted sub-par. Can't stand AL, and a whole episode of her flashbacks while Shannon rotted on the ground was too much. I feel like "Lost" is all about her now and I can't understand why they want to do this when they have, or should I say "had", 14 original characters whom we were already devoted too.

Mr. Find
11-24-2005, 03:33 AM
Would somebody please explain how in these episode ratings polls the vote always goes overwhelmingly for above average or better? If there are no below average episodes then that would logically mean the episodes are, for the most part, getting better and better with each new one. And we all know that is not the case.

God's tom
11-24-2005, 03:48 AM
I'd rate this one a 9 out of 10.

Still not as good as "Exodus pt.2"

Kalgon
11-24-2005, 07:09 AM
Solid episode getting back to some excellent character development. I think the Anna haters found it hard to like the episode but her character certainly has been put into perspective. Her abuse of power and cold blooded murder of her shooter, her bully exterior stripped away by her accidental murder of Shannon and the fallout of that action, her great interaction with Sayid at the end . . . good stuff. I think that the show will soar now that we moved everyone back into place. It should be very interesting to see where we go from here.

BTW, I'm starting to like Michael a whole lot more. He was very strong in this episode and he's getting past the sulky blame game stuff.

Rikka
11-24-2005, 08:20 AM
and a whole episode of her flashbacks while Shannon rotted on the ground was too much.

As I didnt really care for Shannon, during the Ana Lucia and Sayid conversation I kept thinking "Um Hello?!?! Shannon is over there rotting out!! Not liking Shannon much I didnt like the idea of her being killed off. Why? I wanted Sayid to somehow learn that Shannon was the one who sic'd the police on him in the airport.

As for the episode I loved it. I was hoping for more with the Rose/Bernard reunion but considering the Sun/Jin, Michael/Vincent, Kate/Sawyer reunions AND the massive amount of commercials they didnt have time for anything else. It was the best way to go.

The look on Jack's face when he saw Ana Lucia was great.

iamicarus
11-24-2005, 09:58 AM
As I didnt really care for Shannon, during the Ana Lucia and Sayid conversation I kept thinking "Um Hello?!?! Shannon is over there rotting out!! Not liking Shannon much I didnt like the idea of her being killed off. Why? I wanted Sayid to somehow learn that Shannon was the one who sic'd the police on him in the airport.

As for the episode I loved it. I was hoping for more with the Rose/Bernard reunion but considering the Sun/Jin, Michael/Vincent, Kate/Sawyer reunions AND the massive amount of commercials they didnt have time for anything else. It was the best way to go.

The look on Jack's face when he saw Ana Lucia was great.

I AGREE!!!

The look between Jack and Ana was as powerful as the look between Locke and Ecko........

Lost_In_Louisiana
11-24-2005, 10:49 AM
I loved loved loved this episode!

I was hoping that the Ana-Lucia haters would see this and realize she is mentally damaged and experiencing post traumatic stress disorder - but, alas, the juvenile hate posts continue. :rolleyes:

I'm not much of a crier, but of all things the reunion between Mike and Vincent had me misting up!!! :tongue1: I feel so silly....... ;)

lost-grif-fan
11-24-2005, 10:57 AM
Great episode...I am really happy they developed AL character. I also loved the interaction between Sayid and Anna. I don't like her character but I find her interesting. Also I am beginning to think the show revolves around Jack...does it seem that everyone may be connected to him in some way?

BuffyMars
11-24-2005, 11:00 AM
Definitely one of the best!

addicted2much
11-24-2005, 11:10 AM
Would somebody please explain how in these episode ratings polls the vote always goes overwhelmingly for above average or better? If there are no below average episodes then that would logically mean the episodes are, for the most part, getting better and better with each new one. And we all know that is not the case.
maybe there needs to be a new rating system :laughing: I guess dangerdork could work out a numerical rating system. I don't know that is always the same people voting the same way. I know I had been voting nothing special on a lot of the episodes and have only voted above average on the last 2 episodes.

Mr. Find
11-24-2005, 11:37 AM
maybe there needs to be a new rating system :laughing: I guess dangerdork could work out a numerical rating system. I don't know that is always the same people voting the same way. I know I had been voting nothing special on a lot of the episodes and have only voted above average on the last 2 episodes.

Good answer! It could be mostly differerent people voting from one poll to the next. And perhaps people who think an episode below par are more likely to withhold from voting for one reaon or another.

For the record, I voted this episode as a bit disappointing. Of course, disappointment has a lot to do with expectations, so for the next episode I will do my best to avoid previews. Wish me liuck!

darkpiranha
11-24-2005, 11:52 AM
I thought this episode was just... meh. While I certainly do NOT think this means that the show is starting to 'lose it', this episode wasn't the most cohesive for me.

And the reunion between Rose and Bernard to me was the most disappointing aspect of the episode. Everyone talks about how 'sweet' it was or that it made them cry. They saw each other, the went to each other, they hugged, then they kissed. Yippee. I think that reunion needed something more. All the other reunions were far more emotional. I just think they could have been a bit more creative in how they finally got them together than just, "Oh... there you are...."

And I think they need to deal with Ana Lucia's anger issues pretty quick. It's becoming a one-note pony. She's angry and has permanent PMS. Got it. She's going to turn out to be a likeable character and one we will come to love as much as Jin or Sawyer or anyone else we once hated. Her anger (as a storytelling device) for me is no longer compelling. Basically, I hope they quickly give her something to do besides being angry all the time.

However, I did really like the awkward staredowns between Locke and Eko.

Looking forward to next week's episode and looking forward to being able to just regard this episode as perhaps the least interesting chapter of a great book.

jbdean
11-24-2005, 03:30 PM
I thought it was above average simply because it was done well. I don't like the AL character, PTS or not. She's too negative for me and I remove myself from negative people in real life so I don't want to have them in an arena of my entertainment. But, the acting (save MR) was great and the meeting between Mr. Eko and Locke was fantastic. I love how Locke is getting more and more gentle ... he truly is a peace maker. And the reunions, while too brief, were a true tear jerker moment for me.

mj
11-24-2005, 07:03 PM
I thought the episode was good. I definitely do not like Ana. She just doesn't give me a warm feeling. I really liked that Eko didn't want to continue following her orders.

Lost_In_Louisiana
11-26-2005, 12:11 AM
And the reunion between Rose and Bernard to me was the most disappointing aspect of the episode. I think that reunion needed something more. I just think they could have been a bit more creative in how they finally got them together than just, "Oh... there you are...."

I felt the same way. I thought I would get really emotional when they finally reunited but I just felt ... nothing. Ok, she had her hand clasped to her chest when she saw him (holding his wedding ring) but the scene was shot in such a way that all you could really see was her hand on her chest like she was surprised or something. The casual viewer probably wouldn't have even thought about the ring.

They should have made the ring more significant in the reunion - like they could hug and then she could show him the ring on her necklace - and just beaming because she had been confident he was alive. He could look at the ring admiringly and smile back as if he was amazed at her devotion. The scene could have been much more emotional.


And I think they need to deal with Ana Lucia's anger issues pretty quick. Her anger (as a storytelling device) for me is no longer compelling. Basically, I hope they quickly give her something to do besides being angry all the time..

The anger and unbalanced mental state make her such an interesting character to me! I don't want to meet someone who is all nice and friends with everyone. Give me a little mystery in a new person, sheeesh. What would be even better is if Libby didn't turn out to be the sweetie we think she is. If she was really evil inside that would be a cool twist. ;)

RamessesIX
11-26-2005, 01:15 AM
I voted for "Definitely above average." I didn't think Lost was ever off-track, but this was a nice hour of television. The two things I didn't like about it were:

1. The old cop-show cliche, "tough-as-nails cop don't want no stinkin' desk job". And Ana's mom/boss had a perfectly good reason (more than one) for denying her, but gave in immediately at the slightest complaint from Ana. This is a police captain? I hated that scene, just hated it. It smacked of sloppy writing.

2. Kate is a better golfer than Jack is. What the heck? Jack is a well-heeled surgeon with a country club memberships. He probably had PGA veterans giving him lessons. Kate is a fugitive who's going to have a hard time getting tee times. Maybe this will turn out to be a plot point, but it seems to me to be cutesy, sitcom-style, "Watch the girl show the arrogant guy a thing or two." Writers: You're better than this.

Fortunately, the main action of the episode (the hostage situation) was believable, tense and well-acted, and all the characters made sense. The flashbacks surprised us and gave us some insight into Ana-Lucia's character. Some great moments included:

* Rose giving Jack some fruit and Jack, characteristically, not thanking her. Love the guy, but he needs to work on the social cues.

* Jack and Michael's greeting in the hatch. I love the mutual respect these two have, it's one of my favorite character interactions. Michael is the only one of the survivors Jack would hug like that.

* Sayid's coming to understand Ana and the two of them realizing that they are not that different. "We're both already dead"...cool line.

* Jack's and Locke's argument about what to do with Eko. That illustrated the chasm between those two men that they will never be able to bridge. The best thing about that whole exchange was that there was no strawman. Both men were right, from their own perspectives. Jack is looking out for his people, one of whom has been killed by someone now holding his friend hostage - and Eko was being no help. Of course he's going to arm up and get after them. Locke saw, correctly, that Eko wasn't the problem and that a resolution to the problem was possible without escalating the confrontation.

* I loved the moral ambiguity of Ana's murder of Jason, which I'll bet will have the Fuselage talking and taking sides for some time to come. If I were on a jury, I'd have to reluctantly punish Ana for what she did, not because Jason wasn't a piece of filth who deserved what he got, but because cops cannot go out executing people, even for the best of reasons. That's what holds our whole society and civilization up. As a man, I was cheering her on, as a citizen I would have to punish her. Wonderful story-telling.

* Does it place my manhood in jeopardy if I admit that I got all choked up at the reunion scene?

Lost_In_Louisiana
11-27-2005, 12:25 AM
1. The old cop-show cliche, "tough-as-nails cop don't want no stinkin' desk job".
It does seem cliched doesn't it? Yet, that IS the feeling most officers have when they return from a suspension. It's viewed as demeaning, as if you are on a lower level than the "real" cops. The other officers feel it too and are condescending. So, as cliched as it is, it really does have a basis in real life. No patrol cop wants a desk job.....ever! :rolleyes:

2. Kate is a better golfer than Jack is. What the heck? Jack is a well-heeled surgeon with a country club memberships. He probably had PGA veterans giving him lessons. Kate is a fugitive who's going to have a hard time getting tee times. it seems to me to be "Watch the girl show the arrogant guy a thing or two." Writers: You're better than this.?
Agree Agree and Agree some more!!! The whole time that scene was running I was thinking, "now when did Kate have time to develop a strong golf game while on the lam?" And you can't say well she may have learned it before she got in trouble because golf skills need constant attention. You can't just quit playing for a year and then pick back up where you left off. You WILL suck, believe me.

I agree that that was just some politically correct maneuver and very disappointing.

Fortunately, the main action of the episode (the hostage situation) was believable, tense and well-acted, and all the characters made sense.?
I agree. I'm so surprised that many posters thought Ana-Lucia acted irrationally in tying up Sayid. He was trying to kill her! What the H are you supposed to do in that situation? Protect life and limb until the dude calms down, that's what......

* Rose giving Jack some fruit and Jack, characteristically, not thanking her. Love the guy, but he needs to work on the social cues.?
This was interesting because I saw it as kind of a mother-son moment. Rose doesn't exactly 'offer' the fruit, she pushes it on Jack and tells him it will be good for his 'constitution' (re: bowels). Sorta like "take your medicine, it's good for you" and Jack sheepishly obeys. I was intrigued by how authoritative she is with him. That scene is probably leading up to some bigger, more complicated relationship dynamic later on.

* Does it place my manhood in jeopardy if I admit that I got all choked up at the reunion scene?
No, it doesn't. ;) But WHICH part of the reunions did you choke up on: Charlie & Jin, Rose & Bernard, or Michael and Vincent? Probably peak manliness would claim the guy and his dog....... :tongue1:

RamessesIX
11-27-2005, 12:59 AM
It does seem cliched doesn't it? Yet, that IS the feeling most officers have when they return from a suspension. It's viewed as demeaning, as if you are on a lower level than the "real" cops. The other officers feel it too and are condescending. So, as cliched as it is, it really does have a basis in real life. No patrol cop wants a desk job.....ever! :rolleyes:

I can understand that. It would have been nice for Ana to realize, "Hey, I'm coming back from a major trauma here, maybe I should put in my time, get back on my feet, and prove myself for awhile", but I suppose someone in law enforcement isn't going to think like that. Still, Ana can't have been surprised by it, and her whole snit just seemed like juvenile machismo. (Or whatever the equivalent in girls is. :) ) I groaned through that entire scene.


Agree Agree and Agree some more!!! The whole time that scene was running I was thinking, "now when did Kate have time to develop a strong golf game while on the lam?" And you can't say well she may have learned it before she got in trouble because golf skills need constant attention. You can't just quit playing for a year and then pick back up where you left off. You WILL suck, believe me.

I do believe it, because I do suck. I was a horrible golfer even when I did play regularly. Out of practice, I'd probably hurt myself just swinging a club. Just getting the darned thing to go straight is a pretty hefty achievement.

This was interesting because I saw it as kind of a mother-son moment. Rose doesn't exactly 'offer' the fruit, she pushes it on Jack and tells him it will be good for his 'constitution' (re: bowels). Sorta like "take your medicine, it's good for you" and Jack sheepishly obeys. I was intrigued by how authoritative she is with him. That scene is probably leading up to some bigger, more complicated relationship dynamic later on.

Or just one of those subtle undercurrents these writers are good at placing in their characterizations. I didn't look at it as a 'mother/son' interaction at the time, but you've got a good point.


No, it doesn't. ;) But WHICH part of the reunions did you choke up on: Charlie & Jin, Rose & Bernard, or Michael and Vincent? Probably peak manliness would claim the guy and his dog....... :tongue1:
I must admit that the sniffles started with Charlie and Jin. I love those 'buddy moments'!

i_love_dmjgmfna
11-27-2005, 01:03 AM
2. Kate is a better golfer than Jack is. What the heck? Jack is a well-heeled surgeon with a country club memberships. He probably had PGA veterans giving him lessons. Kate is a fugitive who's going to have a hard time getting tee times. Maybe this will turn out to be a plot point, but it seems to me to be cutesy, sitcom-style, "Watch the girl show the arrogant guy a thing or two." Writers: You're better than this.


This bothered me, too. The only thing that explains it for me, is if Jack let her win.

fulda
11-27-2005, 03:22 AM
My favorite episode thus far this season. My 2¢

This show is so well done. One of my favorite parts was when Eko and Sayid were struggling and Cindy kept shouting Eko's name. It really made for an intense moment.

Lost_In_Louisiana
11-27-2005, 03:34 AM
My favorite episode thus far this season. My 2¢
This show is so well done. One of my favorite parts was when Eko and Sayid were struggling and Cindy kept shouting Eko's name. It really made for an intense moment.

Do you mean Libby???


(By the way, your avatar has me splitting my sides!!! :24: )

PosseGal
11-27-2005, 12:42 PM
This bothered me, too. The only thing that explains it for me, is if Jack let her win.

Kate's drive was gorgeous, way too perfect for anyone who isn't a regular weekly golfer. I only hit that close to the pin in wild golf-story land and I play at least twice a month (and have for, uhm, decades).

This wasn't something Jack "let" her do, it's like saying Jack "let" her make a strike in bowling.

Writers, please don't do stuff like this again. It was silly and a bit demeaning to those of us who duff every weekend.

LOCKE THE HATCH
11-27-2005, 01:34 PM
i voted for one of the best episodes so far in this season. my favorite scenes are...

1. sun's reaction seeing michael for the first time, that jolt of scariness/awe only yunjin can give
2. locke's super ultra creepy line: "hello..."
3. sayid's never blinking the eye monologue..."i still hear their voices..."
4. shannon's dead pose in the mud (mirroring/contrasting her sunbathing pose of ep1 season 1) (though this is also goodbye to maggie, she was now billed as "special guest star")
5. the hugs. this is what you call the "mandango episode" (jack and michael, kate and sawyer, jin and charlie,jin and sun, bernard and rose, sayid and shannon, hell even michael and vincent)
6. almost all the regulars/characters are used/utilised/have a scene in the ep, except for claire and aaron.
7. if "the other 48 days" has the best opening scenes ever, this has the most beautiful closing scene...jack and ana lucia face to face, almost theater like...

can't wait for the next ep...

nooai
07-17-2008, 03:23 PM
This is a boring episode, IMO.
Poor Ana Lucia- nobody likes her!
She should step back, relax, and give herself a good reality check. Like really sit down and analyze herself from head to toe.
Maybe among the reasons why her followers left her is because she is so hot-headed, cold-hearted and stubborn. People don’t like to be forced to do something out of their will at gunpoint, Ana. Just because you’re holding a gun it doesn’t mean you can just point it to anyone.
Her flashbacks didn’t do justice to her either. Ignoring the warnings and pleas of her partner, taking matters into her own hands and killing the guy who shot her.

I really like the ending of this episode though- the ‘collision’ between the front section and tail section Survivors was very well acted out. Very emotional reunions of Bernard and Rose, and Jin and Sun. The Jack and Ana Lucia scene was very well potrayed too.

This episode shows a slight hint of the love triangle- with Kate openly showing affection to Sawyer in front of Jack. Early signs of the love triangle?