conwaym2003
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View Full Version : Thank Goodness....... conwaym2003 11-24-2005, 12:31 AM 00000 Aphasia_1 11-24-2005, 12:38 AM I don't think she's supposed to be liked. Her back story was sad and tragic, but damn they shouldn't have let that woman carry a badge or a gun again, not in her mental state. And they shouldn't have let the guy go after he confessed. But i think she'll find redemption. I didn't understand why libby, bernard or (especially!!!) michael and Jin, put up with her. They easily could have over powered her at somepoint. AL was clearly in the wrong. She had no right to tie up sayid and no right to threaten them. They should have taken her down and tied her up. Now, what i wonder, is if they'll put in a make shift prison for her to do her time in.. Peacock Spring 11-24-2005, 12:47 AM I don't think she's supposed to be liked. Her back story was sad and tragic, but damn they shouldn't have let that woman carry a badge or a gun again, not in her mental state. And they shouldn't have let the guy go after he confessed. But i think she'll find redemption. I didn't understand why libby, bernard or (especially!!!) michael and Jin, put up with her. They easily could have over powered her at somepoint. AL was clearly in the wrong. She had no right to tie up sayid and no right to threaten them. They should have taken her down and tied her up. Now, what i wonder, is if they'll put in a make shift prison for her to do her time in.. If they had portrayed her as a cold-hearted killer who had no feelings at all, then I would agree with everyone who can't stand her in spite of her backstory. But she wasn't unfeeling. She was obviously someone who loved her unborn child as much as if he/she were born, and someone took that child away from her. I have no doubt that I am capable of doing just what she did if someone were to harm my child, and it would only be God's mercy on that person if he lived a minute longer than it took me to find him. It wasn't just random coldbloodedness; it was the worst kind of anguish imaginable. I don't agree with the way she's been treating the losties, and that's why I am not crazy about her, but because of the loss of her child, there is no way I could hate her. Maybe a person can only get to that point once they've become a parent. Controversleigh 11-24-2005, 12:50 AM Maybe a person can only get to that point once they've become a parent. Or if they simply have a heart....which apparently is too much to ask lol. I agree with everything you said. Her actions against the fellow survivors was harsh and uncalled for, but so is/was many of the other survivors'. I just want people to be fair. ForeverLost19 11-24-2005, 12:55 AM What I'm wondering is how far along in her pregnancy was she? I'm sure the PD has a rule that once women get to a certain point, they are re-assigned to desk duty. The call that AL and her partner were out on sounded like it had the potential to turn violent and I can't imagine that a pregnant woman would have been sent out to cover it. Perhaps she was only in her first trimester and hadn't yet made the official announcement. From what I understand, it is during this time that miscarriages are most likely and what she suffered may have caused one, especially if doctors were initially unaware of it. waltisfuture 11-24-2005, 12:58 AM It was a weird scene. Why would Jin and Michael sit there while Sawyer was fading to black? Neither of them are wimps and they've shown us they know how to fight, mind you Eko was still there then and he's pretty intimidating. Ana took justice into her own hands, IMO, because she knew whatever the courts did to him would never satisfy her. She not only lost the baby, but Danny too. Probably because they couldn't support each other through the loss of a child. She lost her baby, boyfriend/hubby, and job. It almost seemed like she might have lost her friend Raggs too. (by her outrageous behaviour) She told the shrink she's the type better off alone. She tells Libby that she's already alone. Poor Ana. Not everyone hates you girlfriend. conwaym2003 11-24-2005, 01:01 AM And ethan is a bad guy for trying to kill a drug addict? Kevonski 11-24-2005, 01:15 AM Ethan's a badguy for trying to take someone against their will. Back to AL though: Ya she lost her baby, she might have done the pee test that morning, who knows. Most people who make a mistake though (i.e. killing Shannon), recognize it and feel some remorse. All she was interested in was covering her arse and she didn't care who she used to do it. My wife left the room she hates AL so much. I thought her behavior was about as ugly as anything I have seen in a long while. Gritty, yes, dramatic, yes, and if the writers don't AL to be a fav, then mission accomplished. ForeverLost19 11-24-2005, 01:21 AM The impression that I got during this scene was that AL was keeping everyone hostage, like a terrorist. Also, she certainly seemed mentally unbalanced. Judging by what was happening on-island, I thought her backstory would be that she had shot some innocent who got in the way while she was doing traffic patrol or something. Controversleigh 11-24-2005, 01:22 AM All she was interested in was covering her arse and she didn't care who she used to do it. My wife left the room she hates AL so much.. If that were true, then she wouldn't have saved people the first day, she wouldn't have stuck with everybody and protected all of them, etc. My God, all you people see is the bad. And if your wife actually left the room, then I feel sorry for her lol. Characters annoy me too but I don't leave the room b/c they are acting in a way that annoys me. Btw, the pee comment was so uncalled for. She could have been four months along who friggin knows. Losing a baby, fictional or not is no joke....and then for her husband/beau to take off and wuss out on her, nice. She was abandoned by people just like and if not more like the other castaways....she's suffered the greatest abandonment/loss of any other character, by far. On top of that she has been through more than the regular castaways...and she has all along protected people, however bossily she may have done it. Had she not tiedup Sayid,k he would have killed her. What, she was supposed to just let him? She has been a hero, a bossy one, but a hero none the less moreso than any other taile and equal to Jack if not more....she had a horrible history/trauma in her past to boot. The fact that people refuse to see all of this and judge her simply on the fact that she stepped on a guy and waved around a gun, is truly sad, and just plain uncalled for. ForeverLost19 11-24-2005, 01:32 AM she's suffered the greatest abandonment/loss of any other character, by far. I don't agree, take Locke for example. Being used and emotionally manipulated by your own father and then completely dropped is far worse. In any case, I will quote one of my very favorite fictional characters: "it is our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities" and "if the time should come when you have to make a choice between what is right and what is easy..." AL is not a hero to me. While I may have warmed somewhat to her character over the last couple of episodes, I think she still has a long way to go on the way to self growth. Hopefully, people like Sayid, Locke and Eko will be there to help her. conwaym2003 11-24-2005, 01:34 AM The murder was premeditated, so she can't say it was emotions that made her do it. I stand by my statement that she was more of a threat to the lostaways then Ethan ever was. She even knows that there are guns at the camp, so who knows who else she might kill. I mean the losties and tallies have already killed 2 people who know alot about the island, and we assume the people they killed were the bad ones. Yes Ethan tried to kill charlie, but charlie is a drug addict, like it or not, and not a good influence to be around. Maybe ethan was trying to protect claire and the baby, and they didn't have a chance to discuss it. And Goodwin said the kids were okay. And he even said that they were saving the other tallies, if i remember correctly? Or something to that extent. What does Ana do then? She kills Goodwin. People are petitioning to keep Desmond on the show, they should petition to get AL off the show. elfdream 11-24-2005, 01:44 AM And ethan is a bad guy for trying to kill a drug addict? Yes. Among other things. Charlie was a drug addict but he didn't deserve to be hanged and left for dead. I don't think Ethan is the one we should be comparing her to. IF anyone it should be Sayid. Professionals...trained...authority figures etc. We KNOW Sayid a little more but who is to say that Shannon's death might not send him over the deep end? Peacock Spring 11-24-2005, 01:46 AM The murder was premeditated, so she can't say it was emotions that made her do it. Of course she can. Do you mean that no premeditated murders ever began with a strong emotional prompt? Yes Ethan tried to kill charlie, but charlie is a drug addict, like it or not, and not a good influence to be around. Maybe ethan was trying to protect claire and the baby, and they didn't have a chance to discuss it. I'm not even sure you're serious about this one, or maybe I misunderstood. It's ok to kill drug addicts because they might be a bad influence on a child? Who is Ethan to make that decision? I highly doubt that he was a real child-protector kind of guy. If he was seriously interested in that, and if he were reasonable enough to discuss it but just didn't have the chance, he should have also been reasonable enough to notice that Charlie was recovering, and was also very protective of Claire, and not likely to be a threat either to her or to the baby. Hanging Charlie definitely did cut that discussion time short, I'll give you that. And Goodwin said the kids were okay. And he even said that they were saving the other tallies, if i remember correctly? Or something to that extent. What does Ana do then? She kills Goodwin. People are petitioning to keep Desmond on the show, they should petition to get AL off the show. Goodwin snapped the neck of an innocent man....I just don't get the feeling he was a real child-protector kind of guy, either, and I certainly don't think his word could be counted on. ozoneliar 11-24-2005, 01:54 AM If that were true, then she wouldn't have saved people the first day, she wouldn't have stuck with everybody and protected all of them, etc. My God, all you people see is the bad. And if your wife actually left the room, then I feel sorry for her lol. Characters annoy me too but I don't leave the room b/c they are acting in a way that annoys me. Btw, the pee comment was so uncalled for. She could have been four months along who friggin knows. Losing a baby, fictional or not is no joke....and then for her husband/beau to take off and wuss out on her, nice. She was abandoned by people just like and if not more like the other castaways....she's suffered the greatest abandonment/loss of any other character, by far. On top of that she has been through more than the regular castaways...and she has all along protected people, however bossily she may have done it. Had she not tiedup Sayid,k he would have killed her. What, she was supposed to just let him? She has been a hero, a bossy one, but a hero none the less moreso than any other taile and equal to Jack if not more....she had a horrible history/trauma in her past to boot. The fact that people refuse to see all of this and judge her simply on the fact that she stepped on a guy and waved around a gun, is truly sad, and just plain uncalled for. People aren't judging just Ana based on stepping on a guy and waving a gun. She's guilty of murder in the first degree(Jason) and manslaughter(Shannon). She imprisoned Nathan, and was willing to cut off his finger. She's just been an unlikeable unreasonable person. At least after Sayid tortured Sawyer he seemed to show some remorse. Kevonski 11-24-2005, 02:02 AM Losing a baby, fictional or not is no joke....and then for her husband/beau to take off and wuss out on her, nice. She was abandoned by people just like and if not more like the other castaways....she's suffered the greatest abandonment/loss of any other character, by far. . You must really identify with her to expend such sympathy. Women lose babies everyday, yes tragic, but not the same as losing a person you have developed a relationship with (fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, etc). Ana Lucia is the female version of Michael; they both have a big chip on their shoulder. You take it so lightly that she pointed the gun at a few people, ya she saved them earlier so they owe her some slack right?! Holy moly! Whatever training she had as a LAW enforcement officer didn't stick because she totally has turned her back on any sense of ETHICS. A real person with some real emotions doesn't accidentally kill someone then go on the offensive to cover their arse. She uses people, she didn't save anyone for the right reason other than her mania. Peacock Spring 11-24-2005, 02:11 AM You must really identify with her to expend such sympathy. Women lose babies everyday, yes tragic, but not the same as losing a person you have developed a relationship with (fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, etc). Well, I'm not going to turn this thread into a debate about this, but it's very obvious that you aren't aware of the deep bond that can, and usually does, form between a mother and her unborn child. It IS a person that you have a relationship with. This is your flesh and blood, and they're living right there in your body....it's a mom thing. I'm sure it's hard for those who've never experienced it to understand. I always tell my kids, "I loved you from the moment I first knew you were there," and it's absolutely true. Maybe the writers either have first hand knowledge of this, or they have people in their lives who do. Amber 11-24-2005, 02:21 AM Well, I'm not going to turn this thread into a debate about this, but it's very obvious that you aren't aware of the deep bond that can, and usually does, form between a mother and her unborn child. It IS a person that you have a relationship with. This is your flesh and blood, and they're living right there in your body....it's a mom thing. I'm sure it's hard for those who've never experienced it to understand. I always tell my kids, "I loved you from the moment I first knew you were there," and it's absolutely true. Maybe the writers either have first hand knowledge of this, or they have people in their lives who do. I agree. I don't know if it's just my perspective, but the way her partner was talking about her boyfriend/fiance, it sounded like he dumped her after finding out she lost the baby? Maybe I'm just jumping to conclusions.. he could have broken up with her for any reason. |