First I think that she is attracted to Jack, but I think her true feelings (romantically speaking) are towards Sawyer. You could see it when she went back last season to his little tent area and he wasn't there. Then when Sun showed her the bottle with the messages in it. She really likes him. Then her reaction to him being hurt.

Besides her obvious feelings towards him, do you think another reason that Kate is helping Sawyer so adamantly is because she couldn't help Tom? She had to leave him in the car after he got shot? And since this is the man since Tom that she developed feelings for, wanted to help him all the more because she couldn't "save" Tom?

Judging by next week's previews, I'm a little worried. It looked (or was made to look) a little Marshall dieing in the tent-like.

Is it possible that Kate thinks Sawyer knows some secret about her that she does not want broadcast? She now knows that he will not keep a secret if it is not to his advantage...

I was all excited about this and now I'm really worried...

You could see it when she went back last season to his little tent area and he wasn't there.
One thing I thought that was interesting about that episode is that she kept looking back until they got a good ways around the coast. Whenever she can help like when Jack was in the cave-in and when Charlie and Claire were kidnapped she volunteered to go she does whatever she can. She delivered Claire's baby too. The only thing she's got to face now is her past...

Judging by next week's previews, I'm a little worried. It looked (or was made to look) a little Marshall dieing in the tent-like.

Is it possible that Kate thinks Sawyer knows some secret about her that she does not want broadcast? She now knows that he will not keep a secret if it is not to his advantage...

I was all excited about this and now I'm really worried...

No way would she willingly hurt Sawyer...I'd be incredibly shocked if she would...

I thought her helping him was really sweet. I don't know exactly what her feelings are at this point, but she was very tender with him...and it's clear that there is some depth of emotion there. I think she's helping him, purely because she's worried about him. And I think she also feels like she may be the only one really connected to him, who understands him...so she wants to be there for him.

And Kate is always willing to help people on the island anyway...

Well, there is no question that she has Tom issues. I don't know if their deaths are comparable, since his was so sudden, and Sawyer's, though I know he'll be fine, is lingering. Personally, I find the whole Jack-Kate-Sawyer triangle a little contrived, but I'm willing to go along with it. I like Sawyer genuinely likes Kate, they can understand each other in a way that Jack can't due to their lives of crime, but I don't think they're in love. I don't think Kate loves Sawyer either -- or, at least I think if I were writing the show they wouldn't. Maybe they do. She does care for him, though. I think Jack likes Kate, but I think that his ego is a huge factor in the relationship. He knows she's a criminal. Maybe he wants to figure her out and control her, and that's part of the game. Now that I think about it, ego is an improtant issue for all three of them. I enjoy Kate, Jack, and Sawyer emmensely as characters, but I take all their emotions with a grain of salt because they are all manipularive people who put on masks and think way, way too much of themselves.

I liked the scene between Kate, Jack, and Sawyer, though. I liked the juxtoposition between Kate and Jack -- she can do what he can't because she is sensative, despite being an evil baddie, despite that he is a moral healer. He is jealous because of the obvious affection Kate is showing Sawyer and tries ti lessen it with a joke about not being taught bedside manner. Awesome scene.

The last scene with Sawyer and Kate was a bit mushy for my tastes, but I liked it when she told him that he was home. You have got to wonder what a character like Kate, who was always on the run, means when she says home. What does this island mean to her? If she is at home here, would Sawyer feel the same way? He did voluntarily leave. She tried to take his spot for completley different reasons. Hmm. I like it.

The last scene with Sawyer and Kate was a bit mushy for my tastes, but I liked it when she told him that he was home. You have got to wonder what a character like Kate, who was always on the run, means when she says home. What does this island mean to her? If she is at home here, would Sawyer feel the same way? He did voluntarily leave. She tried to take his spot for completley different reasons. Hmm. I like it.

Very good thoughts. Home is where the heart is?

The last scene with Sawyer and Kate was a bit mushy for my tastes, but I liked it when she told him that he was home. You have got to wonder what a character like Kate, who was always on the run, means when she says home. What does this island mean to her? If she is at home here, would Sawyer feel the same way? He did voluntarily leave. She tried to take his spot for completley different reasons. Hmm. I like it.

Interesting...

I think her calling it 'home' is very significant because she IS always running. And I think she knows that he has similar inclinations. Maybe she was trying to tell him to get better because this place IS becoming their home...and he now has something to wake up to. It's a new experience for both of them to feel like they belong somewhere.

Also, remember, earlier Sawyer referred to the island as 'home' when he realized they had drifted back to it in "Adrift".

. And I think she also feels like she may be the only one really connected to him, who understands him...


here here... and vice versa because more importantly he's the only one who really gets her, I think it goes beyond her gutteral lust for the man but her need to connect and having found a true soul connection with someone so far from reality...

and man "you are home"... what a statment for Kate to make... whoever said it is right, home IS where the heart is and he has totally "set up shop" in her heart... well said Queeny too about how they both live their lives on the run but in each other they are finding home... dang makes me wanna go re-read the "In Hiding" fanfic... I can't wait for that "kate cuts Sawyer's hair" scene!!!

Interesting...

I think her calling it 'home' is very significant because she IS always running. And I think she knows that he has similar inclinations. Maybe she was trying to tell him to get better because this place IS becoming their home...and he now has something to wake up to. It's a new experience for both of them to feel like they belong somewhere.

Also, remember, earlier Sawyer referred to the island as 'home' when he realized they had drifted back to it in "Adrift".

I don't think that the Adrift comment meant anything. I won't deny that it could, especially on this show, but Sawyer does throw words around, with all his nicknames and whatnot. Hmm. I will remember this, though.

I agree, I think Kate calling a place home is very significant because she is "Born to Run". Are they fitting in, though? Sawyer makes such a point in "Outlaws" that he and Kate just don't belong... Well, I guess we'll learn more about that next week.

Well, I don't think Sawyer was being totally serious when he said "we're home", in Adrift. He meant it to be sarcastic. But the fact that he chose that wording...means that he's kind of joking about the fact that like it or not, the island has become a sort of home for them. It's unavoidable that they're stuck there...and they've had to accept that....which means it's also turned into this wierd home for them.

And for Kate and Sawyer, who moved around constantly...it's a strange adjustment. I think Sawyer commented on it in a sarcastic way...and then in THIS episode, Kate used the expression almost tenderly, telling Sawyer to get better because he was home and among people who cared.

you know what, I totally remember when he said that because I was like "did he just say that the island was home?" and me and my roomie had this big discussion about how it was an odd thing for him to say and that it must totally be Kate related... interesting word connection... and I would not disregard any wording in a show this precise, things are said for a reason, especially when they are uncharacteristic... like tonight when Sayid said "why would I kill you if we are both already dead?" I shot up and was like WHATTHE!?! I mean any other show and "home" could mean a plethora of things... but this was too specific, especially uttered by these two individuals, not mere coincidence

My mom and I think that next week, he's going to startle her with the grabbing(he's delirious, obviously), she's going to retaliate, because maybe she's been abused? Or maybe she's just really scared. and that's why she's on the ground because since she was fighting him, and he's delirious, he fought back and then went somewhere? I don't know, it's weird. I think she genuinely does have feelings for him...I think she may think she SHOULD be with Jack though, so she can kind of repent for her past...whereas being with Sawyer would kind of keep her in the past? She's torn for those reasons, I think. I kind of think Jack might hurt Sawyer because of what he says in the preview...that's sad to think, but I kind of feel like Jack's "Oh my gosh, what happened???" is an act and he's trying to keep them apart. Maybe I'm just paranoid. :undecide:

I have to agree, those two lines about 'home', from these two characters, are just too strange to be coincidental. I loved that she didn't try to hide her affection for Sawyer this time, either.

I also agree with Q, Kate seems to see Sawyer as a kindred spirit, and I friend I would venture, and knowing that he's alone, she wants to be there for him.

Can't wait to see what next week brings. ;)

Well, there is no question that she has Tom issues. I don't know if their deaths are comparable, since his was so sudden, and Sawyer's, though I know he'll be fine, is lingering.

I hope Sawyer's allright. I've never been so anxious after seeing the previews for next week.

and man "you are home"... what a statment for Kate to make... whoever said it is right, home IS where the heart is and he has totally "set up shop" in her heart... well said Queeny too about how they both live their lives on the run but in each other they are finding home... dang makes me wanna go re-read the "In Hiding" fanfic... I can't wait for that "kate cuts Sawyer's hair" scene!!!

Can you point me in the direction of the "In Hiding" fic you refer to? :biggrin:

My mom and I think that next week, he's going to startle her with the grabbing(he's delirious, obviously), she's going to retaliate, because maybe she's been abused? Or maybe she's just really scared. and that's why she's on the ground because since she was fighting him, and he's delirious, he fought back and then went somewhere? I don't know, it's weird. I think she genuinely does have feelings for him...I think she may think she SHOULD be with Jack though, so she can kind of repent for her past...whereas being with Sawyer would kind of keep her in the past? She's torn for those reasons, I think. I kind of think Jack might hurt Sawyer because of what he says in the preview...that's sad to think, but I kind of feel like Jack's "Oh my gosh, what happened???" is an act and he's trying to keep them apart. Maybe I'm just paranoid. :undecide:
that wasn't Kate on the ground... it was Sawyer...

Oh.. and you might want to spoilerfont preview stuff...

First I think that she is attracted to Jack, but I think her true feelings (romantically speaking) are towards Sawyer. You could see it when she went back last season to his little tent area and he wasn't there. Then when Sun showed her the bottle with the messages in it. She really likes him. Then her reaction to him being hurt.

Besides her obvious feelings towards him, do you think another reason that Kate is helping Sawyer so adamantly is because she couldn't help Tom? She had to leave him in the car after he got shot? And since this is the man since Tom that she developed feelings for, wanted to help him all the more because she couldn't "save" Tom?
Yes I could see Kate thinking Sawyer was like Tom. She lost Tom and Sawyer is near death, so her thinking Sawyer could end up like Tom may make her want him to get better all the more. This could be her second chance.

And I agree with your statements LHS about Kates growing feelings for Sawyer as well. I think at first there was just Jack, but then Sawyer came in to the picture and woke her up. It was a big step for Kate to go public with her feelings about Sawyer, especially infront of Jack. ;)

Yes I could see Kate thinking Sawyer was like Tom. She lost Tom and Sawyer is near death, so her thinking Sawyer could end up like Tom may make her want him to get better all the more. This could be her second chance.

And I agree with your statements LHS about Kates growing feelings for Sawyer as well. I think at first there was just Jack, but then Sawyer came in to the picture and woke her up. It was a big step for Kate to go public with her feelings about Sawyer, especially infront of Jack. ;)

I agree 100%...Kate went public now on two occassions. First with Sun and the message bottle, now with Jack and helping Sawyer through his infection and help him take the pills.

It's about more than just making up for failing Tom. She couldn't care for her mother either, or anyone we've seen thus far. Now she has a purpose as being the only one who gets Sawyer and speaks his language, a role she's tried to demonstrate at every opportunity.

That seem to be the key point of attraction, that no-one understands Sawyer and can get him to help himself except her. Only she can save him. She'll never have that connection with Jack.

And I too, think the "home" references are significant. No-one else has called the island anything close to home.

Can you point me in the direction of the "In Hiding" fic you refer to? :biggrin:
You can find "In Hiding" at this link (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2392270/1/). It's about 40 chapters long, but WELL worth the read - - excellent, excellent story!!

About her kissing Jack next week. Could it be that she's torn between her crush Jack and her growing affections for Sawyer, she's testing the waters by this impulsive action to find out where her hearts belong.

I also think the "home" statements were interesting because both Sawyer and Kate haven't had a true home in a long time. Each has been running in their own misery, and now this island seems like the only place they've been able to call home for a long time. Everybody wants to get back to their lives, while Sawyer and Kate seem to want to disappear in the island.

I think if the island wasn't so strange and dangerous Kate and Sawyer wouldn't mind staying there for a lot longer.

I also think the "home" statements were interesting because both Sawyer and Kate haven't had a true home in a long time. Each has been running in their own misery, and now this island seems like the only place they've been able to call home for a long time.

yeah, that "you're home" comment from kate also touched me.:smile:

I still take Kate with a grain of sand... And as for next weeks episode - I take ABC's previews with grain of sand... GRRRRRrrrr.

From earlier episodes she made it known to Jack (Confidence Man and Outlaws) that "she speaks Sawyer's language" and that they "have a connection".

But Kate is manipulative. I like her as a character, but I think she is bad news for Sawyer. Remember, she had some guy thinking she was his girlfriend, helped her rob a bank, then shot him - all for a toy plane.

I want to believe that she cares for him - because in Confidence Man she seemed genuinely compassionate towards his childhood story. But I am suspicious of her motives for being so concerned..

Actually, I was really looking forward to the scene between her and Sawyer in the past episode, but when I finally saww it, it actually sickened me. :ohwell: It made me realize just how much control she holds over Sawyer.

So help me Kate if you hurt Sawyer... :angry:

But Kate is manipulative. I like her as a character, but I think she is bad news for Sawyer. Remember, she had some guy thinking she was his girlfriend, helped her rob a bank, then shot him - all for a toy plane.


The part when I saw her most manipulative also was when she wanted Sawyer's place on the raft. When she stole that dead girl's passport and put her pic in it.

My take on the next episode lies in the description"Kate sleeplessly watches over Sawyer". In the Canadian promo you see that Kate is clearly exhausted - probably stayed up all night watching over Sawyer. And in the Canadian promo especially, Kate seems like she's in a daze. She kisses Jack then pulls back and looks at him like she thought she was kissing someone else. Tom perhaps? Anyway, I think she may be hallucinating the way Jack did when he was so tired. Thus the "do you believe in ghosts?" line. I think in the scene with Sawyer, she's flashing back to the Marshall or someone in her past, and misinteprets Sawyer's actions when he grabs her. I also think that "I love her" scene takes place after he's been picked up off the ground, 'cause it looks like Jack is questioning him about what happened.

I didn't mean for that to be one big spoiler, but I don't want to reveal anything to the unspoiled. Just my take on next week based on the American and Canadian promos.

I still take Kate with a grain of sand... And as for next weeks episode - I take ABC's previews with grain of sand... GRRRRRrrrr.

From earlier episodes she made it known to Jack (Confidence Man and Outlaws) that "she speaks Sawyer's language" and that they "have a connection".

But Kate is manipulative. I like her as a character, but I think she is bad news for Sawyer. Remember, she had some guy thinking she was his girlfriend, helped her rob a bank, then shot him - all for a toy plane.

I want to believe that she cares for him - because in Confidence Man she seemed genuinely compassionate towards his childhood story. But I am suspicious of her motives for being so concerned..

Actually, I was really looking forward to the scene between her and Sawyer in the past episode, but when I finally saww it, it actually sickened me. :ohwell: It made me realize just how much control she holds over Sawyer.

So help me Kate if you hurt Sawyer... :angry:

Well...as much as I teast you GL...I know you're not a Skater...LOL ;)

But I have to admit that I'm genuinely curious as to why that scene between Sawyer and Kate would sicken you? :ohwell: I didn't really see it as her having control over him. His condition was very serious and she reached out to him tenderly...managed to get him to listen on a subconscious level, and swallow the pill. If she hadn't done that...he might have died. I loved it, because she spoke to him softly and yet forcefully at the same time. She wasn't giving up on him!

I can certainly understand why some people are wary of her...worried that she might hurt him. But in this instance, I can't see how her actions could be interpreted in a negative manner. She took care of Sawyer when he needed it...managed to connect with him in a way that most people wouldn't have been able to. It's not like she had an ulterior motive for trying to save his life. It couldn't have benefited her in any other way than not wanting to watch him die.

Yes I could see Kate thinking Sawyer was like Tom. She lost Tom and Sawyer is near death, so her thinking Sawyer could end up like Tom may make her want him to get better all the more. This could be her second chance.



If anything, Jack is more like Tom and would remind her of Tom more than Sawyer would. Tom was a doctor and family man, with a wife, a child and roots. He wasn't a footloose or on the run like Kate and Sawyer are. In one of the previews it shows her kissing Jack; and then there is footage of her freaking out and asking someone if they believe in ghosts -- which seems to support the Jack/Tom equation more than the Tom/Sawyer idea. (No literary allusion to a classic American novel intended.)

See, I'm not thinking cause of the doctor connection. I'm thinking that the man she loved, Tom, died got shot and she had to leave him because the police were after her. For Sawyer, this is her chance to save him, to help him because she couldn't help Tom.

I agree 100%...Kate went public now on two occassions. First with Sun and the message bottle, now with Jack and helping Sawyer through his infection and help him take the pills.

I don't think she was looking for a message from Sawyer to her when she was looking through the messages in the bottle; I think she was looking for something that might incriminate her. Sawyer writing a message to her makes no sense. Not only is it out of character, but the bottle was intended to other people off-island to find, in case the raft didn't make it. The idea wasn't that it might wash up back on the island again.

See, I'm not thinking cause of the doctor connection. I'm thinking that the man she loved, Tom, died got shot and she had to leave him because the police were after her. For Sawyer, this is her chance to save him, to help him because she couldn't help Tom.

She caused Tom's death; she didn't cause Sawyer's injury. I get that she might have had feelings for both and one died and one is in grave condition, but I really think the parallel between Tom and Sawyer is remote.

I think Kate has past issues with serious illness and death. Aside from Tom and her mom, she also got quite emotional when the Marshall was dying of his wounds. (I mean more than the average person would have sympathy in that situation.) It was almost like she couldn't stand to see people suffering. She wasn't around for Boone's death, so we have nothing to go with there. But I think there will be something in her background that explains this feeling that she desperately wants to help people that are in these kinds of conditions.

And I agree that Kate and Sawyer are the closest thing to kindred spirits on the island - I think they totally understand each other.

I don't think she was looking for a message from Sawyer to her when she was looking through the messages in the bottle; I think she was looking for something that might incriminate her. Sawyer writing a message to her makes no sense. Not only is it out of character, but the bottle was intended to other people off-island to find, in case the raft didn't make it. The idea wasn't that it might wash up back on the island again.

i think that she thought there was a message from Sawyer in there. The conversation with Sun also made me think that. Kate became sad and she told Sun that she never got to say goodbye to him. He already had outed her to the group. What would he have to out her for in the message bottle. He had no reason to.

I think Kate has past issues with serious illness and death. Aside from Tom and her mom, she also got quite emotional when the Marshall was dying of his wounds. (I mean more than the average person would have sympathy in that situation.) It was almost like she couldn't stand to see people suffering. She wasn't around for Boone's death, so we have nothing to go with there. But I think there will be something in her background that explains this feeling that she desperately wants to help people that are in these kinds of conditions.

And I agree that Kate and Sawyer are the closest thing to kindred spirits on the island - I think they totally understand each other.

Yes belshep, that is an excellent point. Kate has a hard time watching people suffer. She seems to show total sympathy but reverts to an almost helpless state when people are in trouble. Like with Charlie being lynched, Claire giving birth, Boone... They all were in need of assistance and she wanted to help, but it took some work to get her out of shock. Sawyer has really been the only person she has helped without question or hesitation. I think this will also tie in to something from her past, but ITA, they definately share something more than just what you see on the surface. ;)

girlspy, I just remembered that she DID hesitate with Sawyer. When Jack tells her to go get the meds on the beach, she was frozen, just staring at Sawyer. Jack yells "Kate" and she snaps out of it and leaves.

And I totally forgot about her when Charlie was being revived until I read your post. Her reactions have been consistent throughout.

i think that she thought there was a message from Sawyer in there. The conversation with Sun also made me think that. Kate became sad and she told Sun that she never got to say goodbye to him. He already had outed her to the group. What would he have to out her for in the message bottle. He had no reason to.
Would Sawyer even have a message in the bottle? As I understand it, those messages for are for the loved ones of the survivors. Kind of like a telegram. Since Sawyer and the other rafties would be there in person (assuming they survived), they wouldn't need their "message" to be delivered. I suppose Sawyer could have written a "death letter", but it probably wouldn't read: "To Sawyer, Kate is a dangerous criminal! From, Sawyer." :biggrin:

As far as Kate getting shellshocked when seeing suffering, maybe she watched her father/stepfather suffer for a long time from cancer or something. Then perhaps she killed him in a "mercy killing"...

Would Sawyer even have a message in the bottle? As I understand it, those messages for are for the loved ones of the survivors. Kind of like a telegram. Since Sawyer and the other rafties would be there in person (assuming they survived), they wouldn't need their "message" to be delivered. I suppose Sawyer could have written a "death letter", but it probably wouldn't read: "To Sawyer, Kate is a dangerous criminal! From, Sawyer." :biggrin:

Delta, I agree. In that scene with Kate reading the messages, it's very unclear what she's looking for. Your point is correct - there would be no reason for Sawyer to write a message, unless he wrote a will of sorts in case they died on the raft. But it would have absolutely nothing to do with Kate.

I suspect she was looking for something else - like a message that someone wrote telling the outside world that there was a fugitive on the island, just in case therre was a reward. Who would do this? I have no idea.

ETA: I agree with your second post too. I think Kate saw something awful and traumatic.

In terms of Kate looking through the bottles for messages...

I still think she didn't know what she was looking for. I think she was upset, and she was just looking for something tangible to hold onto. Logically it makes no sense, but I don't think she was thinking logically then. She thought maybe Sawyer left a note to someone on the outside, something that might have been important to him. Or maybe there was some clue in the bottle that explained what happened to the rafters...maybe they left a note when they were in trouble. Kate was just tearing through those notes looking for something, anything...she didn't really know what it was.

I still think she didn't know what she was looking for. I think she was upset, and she was just looking for something tangible to hold onto.

That's probably true, nothing else makes sense. And it provides another interesting parallel between Kate and Sawyer because they both read the messages in the bottle. Another example of how similar they are.

So, in light of all this "Kate and Sawyer" unrequited love, why is she kissing Jack in the next episode? I think she kisses him to confirm or rule out the feelings she thinks she has for him! In the movie Hitch, Will Smith says that 80% of women believe that the first kiss will tell them everything they need to know about their relationship...Kate's already had that kiss with Sawyer - and she was digging it! According to the previews for "What Kate Did", she looks a bit repulsed after kissing Jack.

You should spoiler font that...we're not supposed to reveal the previews to people who might not want to know :)

But in answer to your question:

I don't know if Kate knows what she wants at all. I think there is a real connection between her and Sawyer, but I'm not denying that she has feelings for Jack as well. That's why they call this a triangle ;)...LOL. However, I think the kiss isn't going to have anything to do with Sawyer...and I'm betting it doesn't have much to do with Jack either. Her reaction is so strange...I'm thinking it has to do with Kate battling some inner demons, and she's having a slight mental breakdown.