...after Boone's death? By comparison Boone's death could be considered preventable but not conclusively Locke's fault. Shannon's demise seems absolutely attributable to AL. Will there be a double standard or will Jack stand against her?

It was an accident.... Locke lied, AL didn't...bUT, she was total B**** afterward pointing the gun at everyone, my wife walked out of the room she hates AL so much...

I'm leaning toward Jack having compassion for Ana. The look on his face
was not one of anger or hate, not even disgust. He looked more sad and
regretable towards her, imo.

She's cuter than Locke too (at least to Jack)...

I think that he will be compassionate with her. It was an accident and he wasn't around for her gun-toting episode afterwards. As soon as he heard it was AL he agreed to put the gun down when Eko asked him to. He remembered her name.

I'm leaning toward Jack having compassion for Ana. The look on his face
was not one of anger or hate, not even disgust. He looked more sad and
regretable towards her, imo.

I was confused by this scene, but I think you're right. He had tears in his eyes. When he recognized Eko saying Ana Lucia's name, he started processing the info, then when he saw her, his heart took over?

As far as the Locke/Boone thing went, Jack was angry at Locke not because Boone died, but because Locke's lie was about how Boone had gotten hurt. Jack said if he'd known the injury was a crush injury, he could have saved Boone (thus keeping a large percentage of the female audience happy! :biggrin: )

I don't think it's the same situation...

Jack wasn't mad at Locke until he realized that Locke lied about factors surrounding Boone's death.

With Ana Lucia, it was an accident...a horrible one, but it wasn't really decietful. Plus Boone was really just the final straw in terms of Jack finally clashing with Locke. It was brewing for a long time, because of their different philosophys. Jack and Ana Lucia are actually more alike. Although they have different attitudes, they both naturally take charge...and they rush into situations as well.

I didn't think his reaction to seeing her was out of place. It really didn't have anything to do with him really KNOWING her as a person. It was about seeing a girl that he'd flirted with in an airport...a regular girl...before both their worlds changed forever in a plane crash disaster. And suddenly here that same girl was...having just killed someone in a horrible jungle accident. It's surreal and sobering, and I think it kind of makes people think about the how bizarre their lives have become.

Jack will probably not give a rats *** about what happened.

I think that Jack will treat Ana very differently than Locke. As was mentioned before, Locke lied about the treatment, but his beliefs (Locke) go against Jack's. When Locke started talking about fate and that they were brought to the island, Jack's anger grew. I also don't think that Jack feels he was ever honestly remorseful about Boone's death.

The circimstances with Ana were quite different. Yes, she did hold Sahid (and several others) at gunpoint breaking down. However, she was honestly torn up about Shannon's death (though I'm wondering if Jack will learn about that). I think how Ana reacts long-term will determine how Jack will relate to Ana.

Not at all. If he was, I doubt his "let's get the baddie who shot Shannon!" attitude would have changed when he heard Eko say her name. I think he is just plain saddened by what happened. I think he pities her, perhaps thinks she is sick and needs help. She does need help.

I think the look on Jack's face was disgust of the situation. He liked AL in the airport lounge. When something bad happens you want to hold someone responsible, hence his conversation with Ecko. However, he likes AL so he has to reconcile the two feelings.

This epi was a it rough on AL b/c she didn't come off well at all (I haven't had anythng against her thus far), but she is/was suffering from post-traumatic stress. It's not necessarily a complete excuse for her actions, but it explains a lot about her.

I'm looking forward to seeing her interactions w/ Sayid, they have a lot in common, but they have a lot of things keeping them apart (from bonding)

-Megan

I'm leaning toward Jack having compassion for Ana. The look on his face
was not one of anger or hate, not even disgust. He looked more sad and
regretable towards her, imo.

That last shot with them on opposite corners of the screen was awesome. I do think he will show compassion for her, more so maybe because he's already met her and knows she's not a bad person.

The sympathy for burden of command alone is enough for a completely different take on Shannon's death. Jack was also attached because he was trying to save boone. Shannon's already dead.

...after Boone's death? By comparison Boone's death could be considered preventable but not conclusively Locke's fault. Shannon's demise seems absolutely attributable to AL. Will there be a double standard or will Jack stand against her?

I'm agree about Boones death wasn't Locke's fault, because Locke in this moment was unable to walk and he also made the effort to take boone with him to the camp. Boones death was only Bonne's fault.
I also think that shannon's death isn't AL's fault. It was AN ACCIDENT. She was in the jungle, during a heavy heavy rain, running, confused, scared by the whispers they are hearing, and, OMG!, Shannon appears behind of a tree and AL shooted her thinking she was an Other. What if Shanon was an Other? No one would complain AL now. But it was Shannon, not an Other.
I didn't like AL very much by this time, but I think that SHANNON'S DEATH WAS AN ACCIDENT, ONLY AN ACCIDENT. If you knock down a guy with your car during the night because the guy cross the road and jump just in front of your car... Are you a killer? NO. THIS IS AN ACCIDENT.


If you let me say one thing... A pretty accident... :ohwell: Sorry to Shannon lovers...

Jack is going to be upset, probably. Maybe make Ana feel bad about herself, but never really yell at her or attack her like he did Locke. lol. I think he'll verbally attack her, but it won't be too harsh. Just enough to put her down.

But in the end, something's going to happen between those two.

Jack will be very cautious. Ana probably feels like crud and probably anticipates a severe judgement.

The question is really, "what will promote the group's survival" more than "hang her high".

i agree with everyone here..i don't think Jack will hate Ana..it was clearly an accident and i don't think anyone will focus much on hatşng Ana for what happened to Shannon..i'm not saying this b/c Shannon's death was not important,don't get me wrong,i really did like Shannon and they killed her off just when my symphaty was the highest:biggrin:,but b/c there will probably be so much more going on,like what'll happen to Sawyer and the fact that finally the two group of survivors have united,that ppl won't probably focus much on putting the blame on someone..That's what i think at least..

That last shot with them on opposite corners of the screen was awesome.

I agree. I think Matthew Fox's acting in that last scene was the best I've seen from him. He communicated a variety of emotions without saying a single word - from anxiety and dread as he and Eko approached the clearing, then sympathy and sorrow as he saw Sayid carrying Shannon's body and then recognition, pity and sadness as he saw Ana. It was really incredible acting on his part.

As for Jack, I think he will follow Sayid's lead - if Sayid forgives Ana, I think Jack will do so also.

Jack has a problem with giving up on patients. When Boone died, Jack was angry over what happened and angry with himself for losing Boone. I felt his anger with Locke was a classic case of displacement. He could not forgive himself for losing Boone so he transferred his anger and the blame to Locke. (I don't think knowing the injury was a crush type would have made a difference)

The situation with Ana is different. Jack was not personally involved with the event and won't have a similar reaction.

I agree with those that think Jack won't be as angry at Ana Lucia as he was at Locke a big part being, like has been mentioned, Jack was so heavily involved in trying to save Boone. However, I will have to disagree with some of the following:

I also think that shannon's death isn't AL's fault. It was AN ACCIDENT. She was in the jungle, during a heavy heavy rain, running, confused, scared by the whispers they are hearing, and, OMG!, Shannon appears behind of a tree and AL shooted her thinking she was an Other. I didn't like AL very much by this time, but I think that SHANNON'S DEATH WAS AN ACCIDENT, ONLY AN ACCIDENT. If you knock down a guy with your car during the night because the guy cross the road and jump just in front of your car... Are you a killer? NO. THIS IS AN ACCIDENT.

Technically, it was Ana Lucia's fault. I mean obviously if she had known it was someone from the other camp, not an Other, she wouldn't have shot her. But it's not like she is completely without fault because if that's the case, then it wouldn't have even happened. Accidental fault is still fault. Just like the example on accidently killing a guy who jumped in front of you. Is it an accident? Yes. But killing someone still technically makes you a killer. That's why we have different names for different crimes even though they all amount to the same conclusion = death. The only reason I'm probably harder on Ana Lucia then I'm sure even Jack will be is because I'm pretty strict on how people handle guns. Having heard of one too many times where someone is accidently shot due to mishandling a gun has helped to make me feel that way. She shouldn't have even had her finger on the trigger if she'd been following proper procedure so it kind of makes me cringe. Sorry, I can be a very technical person. I get what you were trying to say but I just had to throw in my two cents about it.

What if Shanon was an Other? No one would complain AL now. But it was Shannon, not an Other.

We could say a lot of "what if's" at this point. What if it hadn't been Shannon? What if it'd been one of the kids the Others had taken that she shot instead?

Plus, when Jack went after Locke, he was physically exhausted, emotionally drained, missing a pint of blood and (as Hurley put it) "looking pretty goth."
His judgement was skewed by those factors.

He won't jump to conclusions this time and he'll realize there's no way to help his group of survivors by enacting revenge on AL. That, and there won't be any trust issues like there were with Locke.

I agree with those that think Jack won't be as angry at Ana Lucia as he was at Locke a big part being, like has been mentioned, Jack was so heavily involved in trying to save Boone. However, I will have to disagree with some of the following:



Technically, it was Ana Lucia's fault. I mean obviously if she had known it was someone from the other camp, not an Other, she wouldn't have shot her. But it's not like she is completely without fault because if that's the case, then it wouldn't have even happened. Accidental fault is still fault. Just like the example on accidently killing a guy who jumped in front of you. Is it an accident? Yes. But killing someone still technically makes you a killer. That's why we have different names for different crimes even though they all amount to the same conclusion = death. The only reason I'm probably harder on Ana Lucia then I'm sure even Jack will be is because I'm pretty strict on how people handle guns. Having heard of one too many times where someone is accidently shot due to mishandling a gun has helped to make me feel that way. She shouldn't have even had her finger on the trigger if she'd been following proper procedure so it kind of makes me cringe. Sorry, I can be a very technical person. I get what you were trying to say but I just had to throw in my two cents about it.



We could say a lot of "what if's" at this point. What if it hadn't been Shannon? What if it'd been one of the kids the Others had taken that she shot instead?

Ok. One thing is "homicide" and other is "killer". Actually, AL must be a killer, because she wanted to kill the one that appears in the woods... Killer as Eko was. Ok, in self defense...
I must to agree with the point about hand guns. Their use (or I must say "abuse") only lead you to destruction. But you must consider that the lostaways and the tailaways are mainly from USA. And we all know that the free use of hand guns and some non-automatic rifles and shootguns produces many many murderers (accidently or not) in this country.

But, if you want me to tell you the truth, I would make a statue of AL for killing Shannon (she deserved this and more). :biggrin:

My theory is that even though we don't know it yet Jack and AL did have that drink on the plane and probably a bit more.......

Remember they were some time (six hours) out of Sydney when the plane turned around. Odd that Jack did not go looking for AL or she for him.

My theory is that even though we don't know it yet Jack and AL did have that drink on the plane and probably a bit more.......

Remember they were some time (six hours) out of Sydney when the plane turned around. Odd that Jack did not go looking for AL or she for him.

Well, she does have 4 missing flight hours to account for...:rofl:

But in the end, something's going to happen between those two.
if you're talking about what i think you're talking about, i accidently saw a screencap of that and i was like :shock1:

I can't believe people are still excusing Ana Lucia's actions.

Killing Shannon was an example of trigger-happy carelessness. Remember, AL did this immediately after she had yelled at her people to "RUN!" She could just as easily have killed Eko, Libby, Bernard, Michael or Jin, who presumably had scattered in all directions.

But who could have guessed that AL was such a moron that her idea of repairing the situation was to knock out the enraged boyfriend, tie him to a tree and hold him hostage at gunpoint until she decided whether or not to kill him? That's ghastly malfeasance, particularly when her original goal was the smooth integration of her Tailaway group into the Lostaway camp.

In my opinion, AL's bad judgment and aggressiveness were first seen at the airport--hitting on a man she KNEW had just lost his father and just had an altercation with the airline over transporting the body.

As for the question of Jack's attitude now--so much emotional damage has been done already that berating AL or deliberately ostracizing her would be pointless. If Jack is smart, he will take AL to the cave settlement (or the hatch) and give her menial tasks to do away from other people until the raw emotions cool a bit and AL has the chance to somewhat regain the trust of others. That God she isn't lording it over anybody anymore. It'll be a big adjustment for her.

Maybe Ana should dig the grave for Shannon like Charlie did for Ethan.
I like the idea of Ana doing menial tasks and staying in the background for awhile. It was an accident, but accidents don't just happen. She'll be essential if they decide to go out looking for Walt though.

If Lost turns into the Ana Lucia Cortez show, I'll lose interest.

But who could have guessed that AL was such a moron that her idea of repairing the situation was to knock out the enraged boyfriend, tie him to a tree and hold him hostage at gunpoint until she decided whether or not to kill him? That's ghastly malfeasance, particularly when her original goal was the smooth integration of her Tailaway group into the Lostaway camp. I believe her original goal was "survival" not social interaction and a welcome home party for the groups. She was in a state of panic where she justifiably expected Sayid to attempt to kill her because of her mistake. She has him tied up in an effort to save her own life and then releases him after her panic subsides to a manageable level. If she was as bad as many posters believe, she would have killed Sayid to guarantee removal of the threat. I am attempting to explain, understand and rationalize Ana's actions which is not the same as defending her choices. The process of looking at her motivation does allow me to have sympathy for a flawed character who has made serious mistakes. I just wish she would have shot Walt instead of Shannon.:biggrin: