Lock that crap. Every episode without fail there is a whinner. You are not going to see the best hour of television EVERY episode, chillax and wait for the next one and if you still don't like it go watch something else and take your negativity with you.

As the starter of the "Worst Episode Ever" thread I find that harsh. Messageboards were designed so people could express how they felt about the show. They weren't made so sycophants could revel in their adoration for the show. Should every episode have a "Best Episode Ever" thread? I honestly hated this episode.

I agree in the right of free speech, but I've also noticed some of the same people saying this is the worst episode ever EACH week. I mean is it getting progressively worse? Do they just hate the show or what? Every episode can't be the worst one. Perhaps they don't grasp superlatives

Lock that crap. Every episode without fail there is a whinner. You are not going to see the best hour of television EVERY episode, chillax and wait for the next one and if you still don't like it go watch something else and take your negativity with you.

i'm with you and yes i'm tired of all the whiners. there's constructive commenting and there's the repeat offender threads. it ruins coming here. :mad:

I agree in the right of free speech, but I've also noticed some of the same people saying this is the worst episode ever EACH week. I mean is it getting progressively worse? Do they just hate the show or what? Every episode can't be the worst one. Perhaps they don't grasp superlatives

Hahaha Yes! It is getting progressively worse. From the start of Season 2 people have been doing this.. even after a great episode!

It has become a Fuselage cliche!! I think whoever starts the thread should get an award for being the most predictable, boring poster on the board. New winner each week. First one to post it gets it. YAY!

Yah, after lurking quite a while I came to expect those threads.

Sorta like how anytime a developer on the official World of Warcraft posts, people try to be the first to reply with the word "First!"

Just something that evolved from the community. /shrug

It may be true that the "Worst Episode Ever" threads are predictable, but no more predictable than the pile on of people asking the mods to lockdown and silence those who speak ill of their adopted show. Those threads are directed towards discussing the show, while the cries for lockdown are aggressive attacks on fellow posters. Which is more disruptive and rude?

I like them.
Just because the shows is a drama, and the "Worst Episode Ever" threads are like watching a drama unfold.
:) hehe

Just for the record, I thought this was the best episode since the season premier.

P.S. Hey, I just moved to baggage!

True, it's repetitive and sort of pointless (no offense or anything, JMHO), but the mods cracking down on whoever complains about an episode wouldn't be very good either...I just skip right past the posts and ignore them. Works for me. :biggrin:

It may be true that the "Worst Episode Ever" threads are predictable, but no more predictable than the pile on of people asking the mods to lockdown and silence those who speak ill of their adopted show. Those threads are directed towards discussing the show, while the cries for lockdown are aggressive attacks on fellow posters. Which is more disruptive and rude?

I don't have a problem with people critisizing the show at all, but there's a certain way to go about it. If people want to start threads to discuss specific flaws, etc...that makes perfect sense to me.

But "Worst episode Ever" threads are not really constructive...and they ARE becoming cliche. I'd never bother to try to shut those people down...but it just doesn't invite intelligent discussion.

It may be true that the "Worst Episode Ever" threads are predictable, but no more predictable than the pile on of people asking the mods to lockdown and silence those who speak ill of their adopted show. Those threads are directed towards discussing the show, while the cries for lockdown are aggressive attacks on fellow posters. Which is more disruptive and rude?

Who is being disruptive and rude?

I think what ruins coming here is a certain number of members here who take offense to others not enjoying an episode. There's no reason for "Worst Ever" threads to be banned. It's not necessary to censor negative opinions in this forum. And nobody needs to sugar-coat their opinions or be more "creative" with their thread titles just to make those few of you happy. If anything, threads such as this that isn't relevant to the actual show should be locked and banned.

I am just really sick of people going onto message boards just to complain about something it really seems they don't seem to like. Everyone feels differently about different episodes, and I am cool with that. The problem with a lot of this stuff is the people posting them, don't want to like it, There are so many people who decided they were going to hate Ana Lucia from the first time she was shown and nothing they are shown is going to change their mind. Just like it seems so many people decided that the second season was going to be bad and so no matter what they are going to hate it. I love freedom of speech and I completely think that people should be allowed to say what they had a problem with but this is a place for LOST fans and many of these people don't seem to me to be fans.
And I remember last year, after every new episode the same debate went on, only it wasn't the shows gone off track since season 1, it was the shows gone off track since the pilot. What it really comes back to is people don't like new things and they don't like change, but I bet during season 4, most of the people complaining about season 2 will then be saying how good season 2 was and how the show has just gone off track recently. I know that I personally just need to stay away from those sort of topics, but curiosity always wins out and I want to know what people didn't like about the episodes. I want to see if people have good points and normally they don't, it's just because of some arbitrairy hatred of a certain character or something like that. It's kinda sad, but as long as they don't start changing the show to make the pooh-pooh heads happy, I will still be here watching.

True, it's repetitive and sort of pointless (no offense or anything, JMHO), but the mods cracking down on whoever complains about an episode wouldn't be very good either...I just skip right past the posts and ignore them. Works for me. :biggrin:
I agree. When I see the heading 'Worst Episode Ever' I just click on by. People have a right to express how they feel whether they like it or don't but that doesn't mean I have to read it. :)

Lock that crap. Every episode without fail there is a whinner. You are not going to see the best hour of television EVERY episode, chillax and wait for the next one and if you still don't like it go watch something else and take your negativity with you.

Werd!

Amen!

What worse....someone complaining about a show or someone complaining about someone else complaining...about a show.

Exercise your right to skip the thread & you'll be blissfully unaware of anything going on inside those threads...could it be any more simple?

The problem with a lot of this stuff is the people posting them, don't want to like it

Thats interesting. So you've figured out the motives and whats in the head in each and every poster who reacts negatively to an episode? Neat trick. But even if what you say is true (and I don't believe it is for a second), whats it to you? There are people who like each episode and people who don't. Maybe you can turn that ability to understand whats in the head of people on to the group of people who seek out threads like this one to complain about negative posts. Whats in their heads, I wonder?


There are so many people who decided they were going to hate Ana Lucia from the first time she was shown and nothing they are shown is going to change their mind.


Really? Nothing can ever change their minds? C'mon, you must share your secret. I, too, would like to know how one can make such absolute proclamations about entire groups of people one has never met.


Just like it seems so many people decided that the second season was going to be bad and so no matter what they are going to hate it.

Again, amazing. Seriously, share your secret, I beg you.



I love freedom of speech and I completely think that people should be allowed to say what they had a problem with but this is a place for LOST fans and many of these people don't seem to me to be fans.

Okay, I'm going to give your trick a try on this sentence. What you mean is: I can't say that I don't support freedom of speech so I'll write that first. But I'm not really interested in freedom of speech if the speech isn't something I agree with. In fact, since this forum is to be used by fans, I have decided to create a definition of "fans" to be one that doesn't inclde anyone who criticizes the show.

How'd I do?



And I remember last year, after every new episode the same debate went on, only it wasn't the shows gone off track since season 1, it was the shows gone off track since the pilot. What it really comes back to is people don't like new things and they don't like change, but I bet during season 4, most of the people complaining about season 2 will then be saying how good season 2 was and how the show has just gone off track recently. I know that I personally just need to stay away from those sort of topics, but curiosity always wins out and I want to know what people didn't like about the episodes. I want to see if people have good points and normally they don't, it's just because of some arbitrairy hatred of a certain character or something like that. It's kinda sad, but as long as they don't start changing the show to make the pooh-pooh heads happy, I will still be here watching.

I see. So you want to know why people dislike an episode just to see if their opinions comport to what you consider to be good points. And when they don't, you make huge, sweeping generalizations as to the psychology behind their words. You then post from a superior position of having them all figured out. Gotcha. Whatever pops your corn. Careful though, you may find its not so fun when someone judges your posts and actions from a "superior" position.

So...why don't you just post what people should think and how they should respond as to not offend you...

Get real. The reason for the board is to get different opinions from different points of view. Do we lock down the "I LOVE THIS CHARECTOR BECAUSE" threads too? Just because I don't agree with someone doesn't make that person wrong or dumb or misguided. It puts that person in a position to change MY opinion on something. That is what intelligent people who use reason enjoy.

I write something I feel strong about...read replies from people who disagree...and if I don't agree with that...I still can learn something I may have overlooked.

Post anything you want to post..keep it clean and inoffensive and let discourse show the way as to the balance of opinion on this show...

HAPPY TURKEY DAY!

I'm not a huge fan of the "Worst Episode Ever!" threads either, but the deal breaker is how the OP was written. If the thread has some well thought out negative points (such as- "I didn't like this scene because I thought it was badly written" or "I don't think Michael would do that; it's out of character") then it's fine. I might even post in it, agreeing with some points, defending others.

What I can't stand, however, are the threads that go "OMG, I hated tthis eppy so much and, AAArrrrggg!! I wish Anna Lucia would walk off a cliff, and that Mikeal would just STFU and I'm never watching AGAIN! Lost has lost me as a viewer!!! AAAARRRGG!!!" There's nothing constructive in there- hell, there's barely anything coherent in there. The first kind of thread is constructive critism. The second is a mess, and rude to boot. As I brought up in an other post, this message board was created for us by TPTB. To come in here with silly, "the show sucks and Im never watching again, WTF!" posts is a little like walking into a persons house and telling them you hate the furniture.

Some "Worst Episode Ever!" threads are ok. But the thread title "Worst Episode Ever!" sounds as if it wasn't well thought out, and it suggests that the second mess of a thread lurks behind it. If you want to have a serious LOST discusion, why not choose a different thread title. Something like, "I disliked this episode" or "Some problems with the episode". The second one especially implies that something worth discussing is on the other side of that link, as opposed to a rant.

Ashtoman - I agree. While i love lost and i thought the episode last night was awsome, who am i to shut down what people say just because i disagree with them? They aren't being abusive and maybe the people have a reason not to like the show. It reminds me of when someone in the city i live in wrote a letter to the editor stating she didn't like Zippy or Boonedocks and wanted them removed, because that was HER personal preference. Well, someone wrote back (in a sarcastic letter) saying that since she didn't like sports or the business section and would greatly appreciate it if the newspaper could just remove those sections completely because it was her opinion and her opinion only that mattered - and she should be able to alter the contents for everyone else.

Let it go if someone posts something you don't like. It doesn't matter, its not going to hurt your thoughts on the episode. I hate vanilla ice cream, but i don't expect to be shushed because of it. All of our opinions matter, not just a select few. I came to this board from ABC because of the threads that regular - not mod- people started there about who can post what <newbies not 'allowed' to post theories, no posting purgatory theories>. I like this board, so i guess in closing - after i've babbled- please just let people post what they want, as long as it is within the guidelines of the site. If you don't like it - don't read it don't respond to it.

While I am all for someone to voice their opinions, by all means I do. I find it amusing that the same people who start those threads - continue to watch. If it's that bad, they could have watched CSI New York or Fear Factor and gotten some "real" entertainment watching people eat bugs and puke. (both shows make me think of puking) see my opinion and I don't watch them. My point exactly.

I'd never respond to a "I hated this episode" thread. Not feeding that monster.

I missed most of the previous week's show about the Tailies, but saw the last ten minutes or so. I didn't need the recap they did toward the end. I'm saying all this to explain that I thought many of this season's episodes have been good, not great and now "worst ever". But the first episode about the vault, and last night's episode were just terrific. They're why I watch. Some new information (although I didn't watch closely during Ana Lucia's flashback. I loved when Jack recognized Ana Lucia from the airport.
So while I don't neccessarily agree that "worst ever" posts should be banned or ever discouraged, I never read those links. I just figure they're whiners who would be better off flaming a website for "Invasion" or "Surface".

But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Well, I don't think there should really be a thread for it. Oh! Maybe these episode threads should be divided up into a section that lets you talk bad about it...like in the character sections.

(Sorry if someone else had this idea...I didn't really read this whole thread. lol.)

I agree. Those threads add NOTHING to the conversation about the show. I kind of feel like they're for people who just want to post something, anything.

I don't even open those. Like, dislike, indifference about the show generally - I could care less. Especially because they usually revolve around such large generalizations (like AL sucks), that the threads frustrate the development of characters/plot rather then encourage it.

Time, place and manner restrictions are not necessarily considered to be limits on Freedom of Speech. You can't yell "fire" in a movie theatre. That's not a violation of your rights. I think the majority of us on the Fusalage are hoping to find threads that point out that little clue we missed, or the interpretation of a scene we hadn't thought of, or maybe the secret code for unlocking an official website that will bring us one step closer to understanding. The majority of the fans aren't all that concerned with poking holes in the story. It's true enough that the hole poking cynics need a forum, but it doesn't necessarily have to be the same forum as the people who are looking for valuable insight.

Time, place and manner restrictions are not necessarily considered to be limits on Freedom of Speech. You can't yell "fire" in a movie theatre. That's not a violation of your rights. I think the majority of us on the Fusalage are hoping to find threads that point out that little clue we missed, or the interpretation of a scene we hadn't thought of, or maybe the secret code for unlocking an official website that will bring us one step closer to understanding. The majority of the fans aren't all that concerned with poking holes in the story. It's true enough that the hole poking cynics need a forum, but it doesn't necessarily have to be the same forum as the people who are looking for valuable insight.

Oh, I agree that not all threads need to be deep discussions. In fact, I think the Fuselage could do with a few more joke threads. What I don't like is the way people come in and make rude comments about Lost being "sucky" or "moronic". As a fan, of course you're going to take that badly. And the fact that this is the official board where some of the writers and actors visit makes it worse, IMHO.

Oh, I agree that not all threads need to be deep discussions. In fact, I think the Fuselage could do with a few more joke threads. What I don't like is the way people come in and make rude comments about Lost being "sucky" or "moronic". As a fan, of course you're going to take that badly. And the fact that this is the official board where some of the writers and actors visit makes it worse, IMHO.

I agree. It has really upset me that so many people have attacked MR over the last day. She is playing a character, she has a role. And by the looks of it she's doing a damn good job of playing that role. Sure, her character may not be the 'best' in terms of likeability, but that is an even greater testament to MR's acting abilities because it can't be easy to play a believable, somewhat sympathetic, AND obviously 'messed up' character without looking completely out of control. People really need to stop attacking the actors.

As for the characters themselves, well, this is like the third or fourth episode AL has been in. People need to chill and let the writers develop her out. If she turns out to be a loose cannon, then SO BE IT. I can't understand why people would want to kill her off - she's obviously breeding controversy AND she has a ton of room to grow and develop as a character/person.

As the person that started this thread I have a solution. Why not have a Complaints board. Like where all the show titles are at. That way people that wan't to complain about something can just go straight there. I know people have a right to express their opinion however, if this place becomes a place where I get nothing but negativity I will not continue to come here. I am sure many other people feel the same. So, if they had their own section for people that like to complain that would be great,

While I am all for someone to voice their opinions, by all means I do. I find it amusing that the same people who start those threads - continue to watch. If it's that bad, they could have watched CSI New York or Fear Factor and gotten some "real" entertainment watching people eat bugs and puke. (both shows make me think of puking) see my opinion and I don't watch them. My point exactly.

I'd never respond to a "I hated this episode" thread. Not feeding that monster.

LOL It cracks me up! If it's so bad, then why do they watch?

It's the truth. My gosh, if it drives you to distraction that you have to try and recruit others to join in your misery, why bother with the show in the first place?

Go read a book. Go for a walk. Pick your nose. Something besides belly ache about something you do not have to be a part of. It's your choice. Your the one that makes the decision to watch it every Wednesday. No one to blame but yourself if you can't get up and change the channel. jeeze I got that off my chest.

I have a few shows I don't like. I don't watch them but if I subjected myself to them I sure as heck wouldn't go on a forum just to complain how crappy it is. They'd tell me the same thing.

Not wanting to bash anyone - I never had. never will. This is just one pet peeve of mine.

It's the truth. My gosh, if it drives you to distraction that you have to try and recruit others to join in your misery, why bother with the show in the first place?

Go read a book. Go for a walk. Pick your nose. Something besides belly ache about something you do not have to be a part of. It's your choice. Your the one that makes the decision to watch it every Wednesday. No one to blame but yourself if you can't get up and change the channel. jeeze I got that off my chest.

I have a few shows I don't like. I don't watch them but if I subjected myself to them I sure as heck wouldn't go on a forum just to complain how crappy it is. They'd tell me the same thing.

Not wanting to bash anyone - I never had. never will. This is just one pet peeve of mine.



What do you mean recruit others to your misery? Do you mean that saying that I didn't like a plot point, a character, a flashback, a scene, or even entire episode is recruiting others to misery?

Whatever the Case May Be was the worst episode ever for Lost. Nothing in Season 2 has come close to that level.

What do you mean recruit others to your misery? Do you mean that saying that I didn't like a plot point, a character, a flashback, a scene, or even entire episode is recruiting others to misery?

No. That's not what I meant. I'm moving on. This thread has become another venue for the I hate everything and that's not what I'm interested in. Changing the channel.

how anybody can make a worst episode ever after "...and found" is beyond me.

As the starter of the "Worst Episode Ever" thread I find that harsh. Messageboards were designed so people could express how they felt about the show. They weren't made so sycophants could revel in their adoration for the show. Should every episode have a "Best Episode Ever" thread? I honestly hated this episode.

Then why are you even talking about it? Shoo fly shoo.

Whatever the Case May Be was the worst episode ever for Lost. Nothing in Season 2 has come close to that level.

Naa, Tabula Rosa was worse (although I did like Born to Run- let's not put all of the blame on Kate), White Rabbit wasn't exactly great either, and The Moth is only worth watching becuase it has the funniest commentary of the first season. Whatever the Case May Be actually had some great moments between Kate and Sawyer- the flashbacks did suck, though.