What did you all think about Libby's comment to Ana Lucia about not being a good judge of character referring to Nathan? Wasn't it Libby who came to Ana Lucia and said that Nathan gave her the creeps? I adore Libby, BTW. I just think it was interesting how she kind of jumped ship once they got within a stones throw of the losties camp. Do you suppose that's just adaptability? Has she merely been placating someone she considers unstable up to this point?

I think she was covering her arse. She's smart and knows people, so she's going to make sure she fits in with the other castaways even at the expense of Ana, who obviously kept them alive all this time.

Good point on Libby's comment, I forgot that.

I think she was covering her arse. She's smart and knows people, so she's going to make sure she fits in with the other castaways even at the expense of Ana, who obviously kept them alive all this time.

Good point on Libby's comment, I forgot that.

I agree with that. I'm still entertaining the idea that...

Libby may be a plant from The Others.

Libby is a psychologist so she knows quite well what the diagnosis for her own condition is called.


Weasel.

Grrrr...I really liked Libby up until that point. Hypocrite much? ITA, she is a weasel.

Libby is a psychologist so she knows quite well what the diagnosis for her own condition is called.


Weasel.

:roflmao:
Now, isn't that just a little harsh? I mean, AL tortured poor Nathan just because he had a rotten personality and an intestinal problem. She offed Goodwin not that long ago, and she really seemed to like him. Now she's got a gun. What's Libby supposed to do? :biggrin:

There's a difference between thinking someone's creepy and thinking someone's so dangerous that they need to banished to "the hole" :biggrin:.

I guess Libby felt that keeping Sayid bound to a tree (after things had time to settle down) was a bit excessive, especially since Walt and Jin knew Sayid and also since AL had a gun--not to mention AL was bossing everyone around at gunpoint. It's safer for Libby to say AL wasn't "a good judge of character" rather than say AL had finally gone off the deep end! :biggrin:

Psychologists are very diplomatic, shall we say? ("not a good judge of character" comment)

And yes, it's one thing to question whether someone was a part of your group or not, and quite another to dig a pit and make threats about cutting off fingers, although I don't think Libby heard those threats. Maybe it took a few incidents for Libby to realize that Ana is paranoid and treating everyone like an enemy instead of having a bit of common sense about the folks they meet. Being wary is wise, but bullying is not.

I'm glad someone mentioned Libby's comment. Even re-played it on the Tivo to be sure I heard her right. I'll be keeping a suspicious eye on our two-faced little Libby from now on!

I'm glad someone mentioned Libby's comment. Even re-played it on the Tivo to be sure I heard her right. I'll be keeping a suspicious eye on our two-faced little Libby from now on!
LOL. Good idea.

She also had an odd comment about Sawyer in the beginning. When she was looking for fruit with Michael right before he took off looking for Walt, she said 'He's pretty scary and I know scary'. So she was pretty anti-Sawyer when Michael was anti-Sawyer. Now she is all concerned for him...
Sawyer could maybe be considered obnoxious but not really scary so I thought it an odd statement, even more so now that we know what she meant when she said she knows scary.

:biggrin: Looking forward to some more Libby, I think she will be quite entertaining.

I wonder if she has crazy weasel-itis or if she is doing it on purpose from a clinicalpsycho, errrr, psychologist standpoint.

I think Libby would have said anything to get Ana to doubt what she was attemping to do. The best way to do that is to bring up past mistakes. Even if she thought Ana was right at the time.
When it was just them *the tallies* They needed Ana to keep them alive and they knew it.
But now they were so close to being safer, then they have been sinse they crashed and Ana is trying to stop then from getting there.
I don't think Libby was wrong for saying something to her. Someone had to or they all would have ended up back in the jungle along with Sayaid either a prisoner or dead.

Okay, last week I got a *new one* ripped by bringing up the idea that Libby *might* be a plant...most found it plausible, one poster ripped on me...

...now I'm thinking it's even more likely...

(too bad there isn't an emoticon for thumbing your nose at someone...)

:biggrin:

Also, I've been much more observant of her clothing (and Eko's)...it fits in with the clothing style of the Others.

Also, I've been much more observant of her clothing (and Eko's)...it fits in with the clothing style of the Others.

But Ecko came out of the water wearing a full suit with tie encluded. Right now he is down to the suit pants That have been tore up and his t-shirt.

PS NOT RIPPING. I don't do ripping. Have no use for the rippers.

Libby is probably what she says, a psychologist.

She has also been observing Ana Lucia for at least 48 days and knows that Ana Lucia is close to being off her rocker. Libby may conclude that having more people around may help Ana Lucia, heal somewhat.

Ana Lucia's resume` is not the best, she killed Shannon etc.

AL's internal pathos must be horrendous. She may also need to recognize that she was in the process of becoming the 'enemy' and needs healing.....this will take awhile.


Sayid may be part of that process...but Hurley may be important too.

I don't think Libby is a plant............yet. I think maybe we are reading too much into people's comments. I agree, thinking someone is creepy (nathan) and thinking that you should torture them is hugely different. As is thinking someone is scary (come on everyone, Sawyer IS a little scary when you first meet him - he saves his cuddly side for Kate) and leaving them to die in the woods when you know there is a doctor nearby. Also, Libby said she went to med school for awhile before becoming a clinical psychologist - she's probably into the whole do no harm thing................AL was going to torture Nathan, killed Goodwin (ok I know he was an Other but still), would have left Sawyer to die if she could, killed Shannon, was pretty close to killing Sayid and threatened everyone else in the group. I think I'd leave her too and head to another camp.

We have to remember too that AL was alone when she killed Goodwin so the tailies had to take it on her word that he was a threat. If they questioned her judgment about Nathan, they may question that too. I'm not bothered by Libby's comment. To me the whole purpose of it was to show AL's leadership breaking down. I liked that everyone abandoned her at that point, finally standing up and saying this is wrong, we're not going to be parties to this. I prefer this situation (AL entering the main camp as an outsider and mistrusted) versus having her storm in like Rambina and a potential leadership struggle. That clearly is not going to happen now.

If I were Libby I would have done the same thing. She had to denounce Nathan or she would have been in the pit right along with him and Goodwin probably would have killed her too. When she said that Nathan was creepy, I'm sure she didn't realize that AL would freak out and start chopping fingers. I'm sure her, Bernard, Cindy and Eko have wanted to get away from her ever since her first outburst but there is safety in numbers (well, not always!!)

We have to remember too that AL was alone when she killed Goodwin so the tailies had to take it on her word that he was a threat. If they questioned her judgment about Nathan, they may question that too.

I absolutely agree...when AL returned from her hike with Goodwin, all she said was "We're safe now". She may not have even given the rest of her group an explanation of why she killed Goodwin.

Aside from her early concern with protesting the kids, she's been rather violent, and and she's walking around with a gun and a knife. It wouldn't surprise me if the other Tailies were just afraid to cross her so they 'obeyed'. But once Eko took a stand and challenged her authority, I think Libby felt free to voice her real opinions. I think Bernard felt the same way, because he took off too. The fact that her group left her speaks volumes about who they really feel safe with.

I absolutely agree...when AL returned from her hike with Goodwin, all she said was "We're safe now". She may not have even given the rest of her group an explanation of why she killed Goodwin.

This is true. She conveniently rearranged her story to Sayid to fit the situation. I'm not sure I can believe her "testimony."

Libby IS NOT a plant, or an Other. In next week's TV Guide (not a spoiler...it's been out since Monday) TPTB call her "the Hurley of the tailsection". So, unless she won the lottery with some suspicious numbers, it means she is a "normal person". She may be (as was a spolier earlier)a pathological liarbut that could be interesting.

Her words to Ana were from a psychologist's perspective. She was trying to calm AnaLucia and prevent yet another death.

LOL. Good idea.

She also had an odd comment about Sawyer in the beginning. When she was looking for fruit with Michael right before he took off looking for Walt, she said 'He's pretty scary and I know scary'. So she was pretty anti-Sawyer when Michael was anti-Sawyer. Now she is all concerned for him...
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I could be wrong, but I thought Libby said about Sawyer: "He's pretty scareD, and I know scareD. That also seemed to fit in with the rest of the conversation.

I could be wrong, but I thought Libby said about Sawyer: "He's pretty scareD, and I know scareD. That also seemed to fit in with the rest of the conversation.

I checked. That's exactly what she said. Scared...not scary. Sawyer...scary??? Nah.

Well, it makes me wonder what kind of practice she had, who her clients were, where she worked. Maybe with trauma victims, phobics or other people who would be abnormally scared. I think her background will be interesting as it unfolds.

She said she "knew scared" because she was scared for the past 48 days.

she said 'He's pretty scary and I know scary'. So she was pretty anti-Sawyer when Michael was anti-Sawyer. Now she is all concerned for him...
Sawyer could maybe be considered obnoxious but not really scary so I thought it an odd statement, even more so now that we know what she meant when she said she knows


It was scared. And Sawyer appears to me to be almost as much of a loose cannon as Ana, but he's been in no condition to do a damn thing since the pit. I hope that Sawyer doesn't suffer an attitude adjustment after this, though, he's far and away a favorite of mine!!!!! :D


She has also been observing Ana Lucia for at least 48 days and knows that Ana Lucia is close to being off her rocker.

It only took me about 30 minutes of seeing her on the island for me to come to that conclusion. And if we count that along with other 48 days, maybe even less :D

I absolutely agree...when AL returned from her hike with Goodwin, all she said was "We're safe now". She may not have even given the rest of her group an explanation of why she killed Goodwin.

From that statement, without knowing anything else, I personally in that situation, would presume that the statement meant that they ran into some others, and although they killed Goodwin, she got them.

Yeah, I thought the comment that Libby made was rather unusual...

She was the one that told Ana that Nathan gave her the creeps. So, why all of a sudden is AL the one with bad character judgement?? However, Goodwin said that Nathan was not on "the list" because he was "not a good person".

There was one Sawyer comment that Libby made that I thought was unfair. It was in the same scene where she and Michael are collecting fruit. The line about "...I'm guessing it's not the redneck..." or something like that. (my paraphrase :) ) Referring to Michael and his friendships with Jin and Sawyer.

But I do think Libby has finally figured out that there's something "not quite right" about AL.. I thought it was interesting when AL first suggested to Michael to go get her some supplies and he told AL he didn't want to leave Sayid that Libby said, "...no, I think you should go...". Almost hoping Michael would go and bring back help...

We shall see... As the trailer for next week said, "The most mysterious thing about the Island are the Survivors"!! :biggrin:
GL :coolorng:

There was one Sawyer comment that Libby made that I thought was unfair. It was in the same scene where she and Michael are collecting fruit. The line about "...I'm guessing it's not the redneck..." or something like that. (my paraphrase ) Referring to Michael and his friendships with Jin and Sawyer.

Well, she did have Sawyer pegged with her next comment though. She said she had never seen anyone so scared...and she knows scared. I think that "unfair" comment was just about recognizing the front Sawyer puts up so people don't see his real vulnerabilities. In fact, it may have been about helping Michael to recognize what that was all about.

When Libby said, paraphrased, "your're not a good judge of character, I was with you with Nathan" I took a slightly different interpretation of this.

I took it to mean Libby agreed with the treatment of Nathan (I was with you), since Nathan was highly suspect by being evasive to questions, running off alone, and just overall creepiness.

But with the current situation, AL is just a bad judge of character and Libby is no longer with her. Sayid did not in any way warrant bad treatment and Michael, Jin, and Sawyer knew him. It was AL who blew away a non-threatening blonde who Michael, Jin, and Sawyer knew and was only yelling "Walt".

I think it was just the turning point where Libby says, look I was with you before but not anymore. I don't think Libby was being two-faced or anything.

I took it to mean Libby agreed with the treatment of Nathan (I was with you), since Nathan was highly suspect by being evasive to questions, running off alone, and just overall creepiness.

Hmmm...it just didn't hit me that way. I suppose I'll have to rewatch with that in mind. What a shame...:grin:

I think it surprised the tailies when Ana turned her gun on them. It shattered their
faith in their leader; plus Eko leaving her like he did. She bonded with him and
him alone, trusting him in total. Bernard and Libby came to their senses and
had to tell Ana the truth, and Ana faced the truth; letting them all go and
then the scene with Sayid. It was superbly played out.

Nathan was creepy. I can see having to potty for 30 minutes, but 2 hours?
how far away did he have to go for privacy? he should have been within
voice distance. And he was challenging the decisions being made and
acting secretive. He didn't deserve torture, but why did Goodwin kill
him? I still can't get into the why of that. Did the tailies see his body?
that someone snapped his neck? I dunno......

I think it surprised the tailies when Ana turned her gun on them. It shattered their
faith in their leader; plus Eko leaving her like he did. She bonded with him and
him alone, trusting him in total. Bernard and Libby came to their senses and
had to tell Ana the truth, and Ana faced the truth; letting them all go and
then the scene with Sayid. It was superbly played out.

Nathan was creepy. I can see having to potty for 30 minutes, but 2 hours?
how far away did he have to go for privacy? he should have been within
voice distance. And he was challenging the decisions being made and
acting secretive. He didn't deserve torture, but why did Goodwin kill
him? I still can't get into the why of that. Did the tailies see his body?
that someone snapped his neck? I dunno......

Goodwin couldn't risk having the Tailies run into Nathan somewhere down the line and have him confess that Goodwin set him free, so he was "neutralized". As far as I know, the Tailies assumed the Others rescued Nathan--at least until Goodwin confirmed (sort of) to Ana-Lucia that he did kill Nathan, but I'm not sure if she told the rest of the Tailies.