He finds out there is another hatch on the island that is empty?

Will it be a blow to his faith in pushing the button?

That's a good question, actually. If the Orientation video wasn't a blow to his faith, however, I don't see another hatch doing it. If he finds out about it, though, I suspect that he will insist on someone taking him there. Eko, maybe..?

The orientation video was "establishment" and seemd to add to his faith that the button must be pushed. The current hatch has nothing to indicate that he shouldn't push the button, so hearing of an abandoned location on the other side of the island may cause a bit of doubt to surface in Locke's mind.

Well
Eko watches the Film next Episode
and the Logo is familier, so he'll put two and two together and relise, He may not mention it straight away, but he could...
Considering

The Countdown Reaches 000:00 next Episode
We may never know ... haha!

Locke already knows there are other hatches. It was in the orientation film. That guy that didn't move his arm said that the swan was one of five right?

And you honestly think that he will find out?

How many people did Jack and Kate tell about Adam and Eve to?
It took Sawyer half a season to tell Jack that he spoke to his father.
Locke still doesn't know that Hurley owned his company.
Just a few of the people on the island knows about Hurleys connection to the island.
Locke never told anybody about what Walt said (Don't open it, don't open that thing).

The list can grow longer, much longer. But I think I might have proved my point.

Locke already knows there are other hatches. It was in the orientation film. That guy that didn't move his arm said that the swan was one of five right?

I know Locke knows about the other hatches, but how will he feel when he finds out the arrow location was completely abandoned??


And you honestly think that he will find out?

How many people did Jack and Kate tell about Adam and Eve to?
It took Sawyer half a season to tell Jack that he spoke to his father.
Locke still doesn't know that Hurley owned his company.
Just a few of the people on the island knows about Hurleys connection to the island.
Locke never told anybody about what Walt said (Don't open it, don't open that thing).

The list can grow longer, much longer. But I think I might have proved my point.

Locke will find out about this. Both Eko and Michael recognized the Dharma logo and it's such a huge plot point, I don't see how it can't come up. This is something that affects all of the losties. The other points were personal info that probably wouldn't come up in general conversation. Oh, and Sawyer not telling Jack about his father right away, Sawyer didn't make the connection until Jack made his "Red Sox" comment. That's when Sawyer asked if Jack's father was a Dr too.

I know Locke knows about the other hatches, but how will he feel when he finds out the arrow location was completely abandoned??

I don't understand why it would be such a big deal. I think the fact that Desmond was all alone in the Swan station and no one came to replace his partner showed that the project was at least somewhat in shambles. I'd assume Locke knows that.

I don't understand why it would be such a big deal. I think the fact that Desmond was all alone in the Swan station and no one came to replace his partner showed that the project was at least somewhat in shambles. I'd assume Locke knows that.

I see exactly what you're saying, the fact that Desmond told them Kelvin died waiting for his replacements and that Desmond had been alone for 3 years would certainly indicate that the Dharma group was struggling at best.

I'm wondering this more from a Character point of view. Locke stikes me as the type of person who only sees what he wants to see, so when he viewed the Orientation film he only saw the fact that there was a protocol to follow with regards to pushing the button. The fact that there are still supplies and electricity and all of the other comforts of the hatch has lended to the validity of Lockes conviction that the button must be pushed. Now with the revelation of a completely abandoned hatch on the other side of the island, Locke may have to reevaluate his current belief that the button MUST be pushed and Locke doesn't seem like the type of person who can handle a shake up of his beliefs. JMO anyways. :biggrin:

Dont forget that Locke saw the film which says there was an accident at the Swan site and the button had to be pushed. The other hatches dont need a button. if anything it will strengthen his belief.

. Both Eko and Michael recognized the Dharma logo and it's such a huge plot point, I don't see how it can't come up.

They certainly made a point of showing Eko closely looking at and touching the logo.

Oh, and Sawyer not telling Jack about his father right away, Sawyer didn't make the connection until Jack made his "Red Sox" comment. That's when Sawyer asked if Jack's father was a Dr too.

That's true that the connection wasn't made until the red sox comment, but Sawyer still didn't tell Jack right away. He started to tell him later in the episode, but Jack had an attitude, so Sawyer didn't tell.

Dont forget that Locke saw the film which says there was an accident at the Swan site and the button had to be pushed. The other hatches dont need a button. if anything it will strengthen his belief.

I don't remember the "incident" being the reason for the button pushing. I thought after the "incident" is when they decided to use the buddy system? Anybody??

Also...how the heck do you post using quotes from several other posts? I haven't been able to figure it out since they re-designed the site!

Thanks.

Remember Goodwin's comment that the arrow hatch appeared to be some sort of "storage facility?" (don't know if he was lying, but he appeared to be just as suprised about that hatch as everyone else). That will probably be Locke's impression of the arrow hatch as well. If Locke really thought the other hatches were of as vital importance as the Swan hatch, he'd be out looking for them right now instead of doing crossword puzzles.

Remember Goodwin's comment that the arrow hatch appeared to be some sort of "storage facility?" (don't know if he was lying, but he appeared to be just as suprised about that hatch as everyone else). That will probably be Locke's impression of the arrow hatch as well. If Locke really thought the other hatches were of as vital importance as the Swan hatch, he'd be out looking for them right now instead of doing crossword puzzles.

Right. How important could the other hatches be, if they didn't beckon Locke to become as one with them? ;)

If I recall correctly, there were other things in the "abandoned" Arrow station besides the trunk with the Bible, glass eye, radio and blanket. I wouldn't be surprised if Eko tells Locke of the possibility of another film being there, tempting Locke to make the dangerous trek to the Arrow station to retrieve it.

I know Locke knows about the other hatches, but how will he feel when he finds out the arrow location was completely abandoned??

I don't think that will matter... from the film it seems that the swan hatch the is only currently operating bunker.

Locke will find out about this. Both Eko and Michael recognized the Dharma logo and it's such a huge plot point, I don't see how it can't come up. This is something that affects all of the losties. The other points were personal info that probably wouldn't come up in general conversation. Oh, and Sawyer not telling Jack about his father right away, Sawyer didn't make the connection until Jack made his "Red Sox" comment. That's when Sawyer asked if Jack's father was a Dr too.

I agree, it HAS to come up. It's too strange not to. Eko is bound to mention it to Locke...

I don't remember the "incident" being the reason for the button pushing. I thought after the "incident" is when they decided to use the buddy system? Anybody??

After the incident is when they needed to do the button pushing.

From Orientation: "You and your partner are currently located in Station 3, or the Swan, and will be for the next 540 days. Station 3 was originally constructed as a laboratory where scientists could work to understand the unique electromagnetic fluctuations emanating from this sector of the island.
Not long after the experiments began, however, there was an incident. And since that time the following protocol has been observed: every 108 minutes the button must be pushed."

Also...how the heck do you post using quotes from several other posts? I haven't been able to figure it out since they re-designed the site!

Thanks.

See the little icon over to the right that when you hover on it says, "text multi quote"? --click on each one of those in the posts you want to quote (in the order that you want them to appear in your post). Then go down to "Post Reply" and when that comes up you'll see all the quotes in the post message. I felt like a moron when someone told me... like how could I have missed that?:biggrin:

If I recall correctly, there were other things in the "abandoned" Arrow station besides the trunk with the Bible, glass eye, radio and blanket. I wouldn't be surprised if Eko tells Locke of the possibility of another film being there, tempting Locke to make the dangerous trek to the Arrow station to retrieve it.

I think they should go and check it out. maybe there is another entrance just like with the Swan.

A lot of people here post to the effect that Locke "believes in the hatch", or "has faith in the hatch..." What does that mean? Do you think that Locke believes the hatch has the answers?

I think Locke has faith in what drew him to the hatch, which he believes was the island. And in a way, it was. There's a strong electro-magnetic force located under the hatch, Locke most likely was feeling that when he asked Boone if he felt "it." I think Locke believes that the hatch(es) are important because he was led to them--they aren't something to have faith in, in and of themselves, they are leading to something.

Finding another hatch isn't going to shake Locke's faith that the island, and its inhabitants are meaningful and part of some overall design. If anything, it will strengthen his belief that these events are meaningful. The whole faith vs. science thing isn't about whether or not Locke or Jack believe in God. It's about whether or not the events that led up to being on the island, and on the island, are meaningful or just coincidence.

After the incident is when they needed to do the button pushing.

From Orientation: "You and your partner are currently located in Station 3, or the Swan, and will be for the next 540 days. Station 3 was originally constructed as a laboratory where scientists could work to understand the unique electromagnetic fluctuations emanating from this sector of the island.
Not long after the experiments began, however, there was an incident. And since that time the following protocol has been observed: every 108 minutes the button must be pushed."



See the little icon over to the right that when you hover on it says, "text multi quote"? --click on each one of those in the posts you want to quote (in the order that you want them to appear in your post). Then go down to "Post Reply" and when that comes up you'll see all the quotes in the post message. I felt like a moron when someone told me... like how could I have missed that?:biggrin:


Thanks on both of those. I didn't remember the button pushing started because of the incident.

And I can't wait to try the multi-quote! Thanks a bunch!

The Hatch was Locke's obsession. Yet I noticed that in this episode he's starting to look bored and just a little frustrated with being in there. You could tells from the look on his face as he did the crossword puzzle. Then he kept offering to leave to go rescue Sayid.

Locke may not have found what he thought he was looking for in the Hatch, but he knows to be patient and wait for the Island to tell him what to do next.

I don't remember the "incident" being the reason for the button pushing. I thought after the "incident" is when they decided to use the buddy system? Anybody??

Also...how the heck do you post using quotes from several other posts? I haven't been able to figure it out since they re-designed the site!

Thanks.

My understanding is the "button pushing" is a result of an incident (I don't remember the incident as being "in the hatch" as someone mentioned in a previous post).

btw, I think there are 6 bunkers (hatch is a door), according to the Orientation film, 1 of 6...

W/regard to quoting more than one post, I just open a window for each post and cut and paste each quote all into one main post. A pain (that's why I just said "as someone mentioned...", above--too lazy), but it works.

hey nonyabiz, thanks for the lesson on multi-quotes. i've seen the little button you're referring to, but never knew what the heck to do after i clicked it!

EDT: ooops, shoulda said thanks to existentialangel. so.....thanks!

Nooo! I'm the student, not the teacher! I haven't even tried it yet!

Okay, I tried the multi-quote. Didn't work. I must be skipping a step. I clicked on the multi-text icon of the two posts I wanted to quote and nothing showed up in the reply box. What am I doing wrong?

Okay, I tried the multi-quote. Didn't work. I must be skipping a step. I clicked on the multi-text icon of the two posts I wanted to quote and nothing showed up in the reply box. What am I doing wrong?

Make sure that after you click the multi text icon that it looks like text appears on it. Occasionally I've clicked and it doesn't appear. Then make sure it's the "post" at the bottom of the page that you click, not the quick post, or the quote within someone's post. Hope that helps.

Lord I'm a moron. It's still not working. The two "post" buttons I have are quick reply and go advanced. Am I not seeing the right button?

I think Locke is waiting for the island to give him another sign. When Ecko mentions the Arrow Hatch it will have Locke ready to go out on a mission similar to his obsession with the Swan Hatch.

Can anyone say trebuchet? jk :)

IMO Ecko will offer to bring Locke there and a friendship between the two will build leading to what I would call the best/strongest alliance on the island. What they find there, I don't know but I'm really interested in watching this build.

Long Live Locke!!!!!

I think Locke is waiting for the island to give him another sign. When Ecko mentions the Arrow Hatch it will have Locke ready to go out on a mission similar to his obsession with the Swan Hatch.

Can anyone say trebuchet? jk :)

IMO Ecko will offer to bring Locke there and a friendship between the two will build leading to what I would call the best/strongest alliance on the island. What they find there, I don't know but I'm really interested in watching this build.

Long Live Locke!!!!!

I agree about the bond between Locke and Eko. I just posted some info. I found on Gilgamesh and Enkidu on another thread (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=27388), which I think parallels these two. I think Eko will be the "voice of reason" to Locke, who seems to be a little zealous. The two of them are guided by faith, though I believe Eko is more grounded and, again, Locke is "reaching" for piety. The story of Enkidu and Gilgamesh is very interesting. I highly recommend everyone read it.

(When I see "Long Live Locke!!!!!" I think of the song LONG LIVE ROCK! :biggrin: )

Lord I'm a moron. It's still not working. The two "post" buttons I have are quick reply and go advanced. Am I not seeing the right button?

At the bottom of the page is a box entitled "Quick Reply" within which you can type your message and then click "Post Quick Reply" or "Go Advanced." This is what you have been using right? Don't. Instead, click on the link that says, "Post Reply" on the left side of the page, above the area entitled "Quick Reply." This will take you to a new page called "Reply to Thread" with a few more options for posting, and will have your multi quotes. Hope this clears things up. :)

I think Locke is waiting for the island to give him another sign. When Ecko mentions the Arrow Hatch it will have Locke ready to go out on a mission similar to his obsession with the Swan Hatch.

Can anyone say trebuchet? jk :)

IMO Ecko will offer to bring Locke there and a friendship between the two will build leading to what I would call the best/strongest alliance on the island. What they find there, I don't know but I'm really interested in watching this build.

Long Live Locke!!!!!

I agree, it's going to be very interesting. I think Locke is about to get his sign in some way through Eko. I think they complement each other, and are going to be a moving force in the development of the storyline of the island. Perhaps they'll finally go looking for the radio tower, the other bunkers, or map the island, like they've been needing to do.

Lord I'm a moron. It's still not working. The two "post" buttons I have are quick reply and go advanced. Am I not seeing the right button?

At the bottom of the page is a box entitled "Quick Reply" within which you can type your message and then click "Post Quick Reply" or "Go Advanced." This is what you have been using right? Don't. Instead, click on the link that says, "Post Reply" on the left side of the page, above the area entitled "Quick Reply." This will take you to a new page called "Reply to Thread" with a few more options for posting, and will have your multi quotes. Hope this clears things up. :)


I think it did! Yay! (yes...I never saw the "Post Reply" button)

THANKS!! :ntworthy: