Being somone who reads every post listed as i can, the last episode thread, we had many people say that she was involved with somthing in kids!!. well you guys were right. but just one question, the mother said she was wearing a bullet broof vest, now i'm not a police offecer but if the baby got killed. wouldn't that have meant the bullet had to go inside her and reach the baby?

Her mother also said she was shot with Hollow tip bullets, which went right threw the vest.

Yea...I thought that too...and I thought...why haven't we seen the scar from the bullethole with all those short tops and lowrider pants...seems like we'd see some kind of scar.

bullets can go through bulletproof vest....its good protection, though, but not a 100% sure...but I agree that she should have scars...

She should have visible scars... but then, Locke should still be in his wheelchair and a lot of people who "crashed" on the island should have visible injuries of various sorts.....

As for the four hollow-tipped bullets, aren't those the type that police wanted Congress to deem illegal in the US because they can penetrate a bulletproof vest better than any other and were nicknamed "cop killer" bullets for this reason?

She should have visible scars... but then, Locke should still be in his wheelchair and a lot of people who "crashed" on the island should have visible injuries of various sorts.....


Good point.

She should have visible scars... but then, Locke should still be in his wheelchair and a lot of people who "crashed" on the island should have visible injuries of various sorts.....

Locke does, however, still have a visible scar from the kidney transplant.

Maybe Ana was shot in the chest. I'm sure the loss of blood and all the trauma could have caused the loss of the baby.

Being somone who reads every post listed as i can, the last episode thread, we had many people say that she was involved with somthing in kids!!. well you guys were right. but just one question, the mother said she was wearing a bullet broof vest, now i'm not a police offecer but if the baby got killed. wouldn't that have meant the bullet had to go inside her and reach the baby?

I was under the impression that the force of the bullets was like getting kicking the stomach and caused enough trauma that she lost her baby.

I was under the impression that the force of the bullets was like getting kicking the stomach and caused enough trauma that she lost her baby.
Sadly about 5 minutes after the invent of the bullet proof vest. Bullets that can go righ threw it were invented. Some hollow tips and Nylon bullets can go right threw the vest like it is isn't even there.

Plastic surgery does wonders. ;-)

It is hard for me to believe that someone who had 4 bullets in her chest and loses a baby would be back on the streets after 4 months. I know she's tough..but if 4 bullets went through her vest she'd be dead. That's why I kind of assumed that the trauma force from the bullets caused her to lose her baby.

With a bullet-proof vest, the injuries drop from totally lethal to just plain ol' serious physical trauma. As for the loss of her child, I've heard plenty of stories of women having miscariages over the smallest things, like an infection or falling down some stairs.

It's surprising how little physical trauma a woman can suffer before having a miscariage, pregnancy is a delicate thing!
I can't believe she was a working patrol officer if she knew she was pregnant.

I'm thinking she either didn't tell anyone about it (or was told by the doctors after the shooting) or convinced everyone that she was capable to work (she's got that hispanic stubborness, like most women in my family, and that "prove to the world i'm not weak" recklessness)

maybe she knew exactly what she was doing, what to say, how to act to get back out on the streets so she could get her gun back and cross paths again with jason to get her, as ecko calls it her revenge
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As for the four hollow-tipped bullets, aren't those the type that police wanted Congress to deem illegal in the US because they can penetrate a bulletproof vest better than any other and were nicknamed "cop killer" bullets for this reason?

Hmm. So a criminal who was about to kill someone would stop and say, "Oh, I can't use these bullets to commit murder; they're against the law."

(sorry.....some things are just too idiotic to pass up.)

Uh, you misunderstood the point: by "deeming illegal" they mean to make it illegal to sell and / or buy or distribute hollow-point bullets, thereby taking them out of the criminals hands' from the get-go.
Essentially turning them into impossible-to-obtain contraband.

As for the four hollow-tipped bullets, aren't those the type that police wanted Congress to deem illegal in the US because they can penetrate a bulletproof vest better than any other and were nicknamed "cop killer" bullets for this reason?

Incorrect, "cop killers" are either armor piercing steel tipped bullets or teflon coated. the steel or teflon coating keeps the bullet from deforming on impact and allows it to penetrate further, ie through the vest.

Hollow points are the exact opposite. They are hollowed out in the tip so that they "splatter out" on impact. Hollow points have one purpose, to kill people (even moreso than normal bullets. The hollow point enters the body then splatters and causes massive internal damage and if it manages to go all the through someone will leave a HUGE exit wound.

I have to go with the "kicked in the stomache" analogy, I don't think the bullets penetrated the vest unless the writers screwed up when they named the bullets.

Incorrect, "cop killers" are either armor piercing steel tipped bullets or teflon coated. the steel or teflon coating keeps the bullet from deforming on impact and allows it to penetrate further, ie through the vest.

Hollow points are the exact opposite. They are hollowed out in the tip so that they "splatter out" on impact. Hollow points have one purpose, to kill people (even moreso than normal bullets. The hollow point enters the body then splatters and causes massive internal damage and if it manages to go all the through someone will leave a HUGE exit wound.

That's right. Hollow points are commonly used for hunting since they more humanely and quickly dispatch game. They're also common in pistol rounds since they can improve stopping power although they're know to cause jamming in some semi-auto pistols.

Hollow points and other expanding head bullets are banned for military use by the Geneva Convention, hence the term "full metal jacket".

Screencap of Ana's back in The Other 48 Days, no scars:
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=814&pos=23

her front:
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=814&pos=17

Uh, you misunderstood the point: by "deeming illegal" they mean to make it illegal to sell and / or buy or distribute hollow-point bullets, thereby taking them out of the criminals hands' from the get-go.
Essentially turning them into impossible-to-obtain contraband.

Uh, no, I didn't, and if you think there is such a thing as impossible-to-obtain anything, think again. It's just ridiculous that anyone thinks that a person who's going to commit murder anyway is going to obey the law where particular types of bullets are concerned, and that was the point I was making.

Sadly about 5 minutes after the invent of the bullet proof vest. Bullets that can go righ threw it were invented. Some hollow tips and Nylon bullets can go right threw the vest like it is isn't even there.

Almost like it's not there. I think someone already pointed it out, but I wanted to bring it up again.. the vest will still greatly decrease the velocity of the bullet, so it's no longer a hot knife cutting through warm butter, but they'll still kick ya damn good.

Being somone who reads every post listed as i can, the last episode thread, we had many people say that she was involved with somthing in kids!!. well you guys were right. but just one question, the mother said she was wearing a bullet broof vest, now i'm not a police offecer but if the baby got killed. wouldn't that have meant the bullet had to go inside her and reach the baby?

Didn't see say that she heard a pop and ended up on her back? The force of going from vertical to horizontal like that would have been enough to have caused a miscarriage.

As to the other comments about scars, we don't know how far the bullets penetrated Ana-Lucia, how long ago the shooting took place, or where she was shot. If the gunman was aiming for her heart, then any scars could be concealed by her top.

Didn't see say that she heard a pop and ended up on her back? The force of going from vertical to horizontal like that would have been enough to have caused a miscarriage.

As to the other comments about scars, we don't know how far the bullets penetrated Ana-Lucia, how long ago the shooting took place, or where she was shot. If the gunman was aiming for her heart, then any scars could be concealed by her top.

Agreed. We don't know how long ago the shooting occured. It was 4 months before the FB, but who knows how long ago the FB was. AL has had belly-baring shirts, but she may have been shot in her torso that has been covered or in other parts of her body.

Or, the bullets may never have penetrated the vest to begin with.

maybe she fell after getting shot, thats enough jolt to make a baby lose his/her life

Honbun26...Ana's mother said the bullets penetrated her vest...

I posted some caps elsewhere of Ana where we don't see any scars...someone mentioned plastic surgery, but someone else said unless there was an error in terminology in the script, that type of bullet would cause grievous damage.

About the vest: The bullet doesn't really have to penetrate in order to cause a miscarriage. I've talked to those shot while wearing a vest, and they say it's like getting hit really hard. Well, getting hit in the stomach can cause a miscarriage.

Honbun26...Ana's mother said the bullets penetrated her vest...

I thought I heard that, but wasn't a 100% sure. So I didn't post it. I know there are bullets that will go right threw those vests. Nylon being one of them.

As far as scaring. We were told she got hit in the chest, but where in the chest? Upper chest, where you would see the scaring in a low cut shirt? Did she get hit in her breasts or just below? Then we wouldn't see any thing.

If she got hit by hollow point or armour piercing bullets, she still would be a) dead, because if it hit her on the chest and went thru her major organs would be damaged. b) still recovering, even if the vest did protect her she would still not be allowed back on the force after 4 months. c) she would have to go thru a barrage of psychological tests and then the psychologist would say if she is fit for duty, not her mother. The psychologist wouldn't care if her mother was captian or chief of police, he/she has to give the okay for returning back to work. d) there would be an inquiry on the number of bullets spent during the shootout.

Honbun26...Ana's mother said the bullets penetrated her vest...

I posted some caps elsewhere of Ana where we don't see any scars...someone mentioned plastic surgery, but someone else said unless there was an error in terminology in the script, that type of bullet would cause grievous damage.

We don't know how far they penetrated the vest and came out the other side, or what range the shooter was from A-L. If they passed through to the skin-side of the vest, they may have only just made it if A-L and the shooter were a long distance apart. So they could have gone anywhere from just pricking A-L's skin to ripping right through her and out the other side.

Honbun26...Ana's mother said the bullets penetrated her vest...

I posted some caps elsewhere of Ana where we don't see any scars...someone mentioned plastic surgery, but someone else said unless there was an error in terminology in the script, that type of bullet would cause grievous damage.

Thanks, Tabby!

We know that she was seeing the shrink for 4 months but we don't know how much time passed from the accident until she started seeing the shrink. You wouldn't get shot one day and start seeing the shrink the next day. I'm sure there was a period of recouperation before the mental therapy began.

We know that she was seeing the shrink for 4 months but we don't know how much time passed from the accident until she started seeing the shrink. You wouldn't get shot one day and start seeing the shrink the next day. I'm sure there was a period of recouperation before the mental therapy began.


Exactly, but what is Ana doing back to work 4 months after the shooting? Her mother placed her on the streets once again. That is not for her mother to judge if Ana is metally competent. That is the job of the psychologist or psychiatrist. As it was she wasn't fully recovered from losing the child, so she winds up killing the person who cause her to lose the pregnancy.

I guess it was my understanding that the shrink gave the official "OK" to go back to full duty, but her mother/captain was a bit more cautious. AL was fully expecting to go back on patrol, so that tells me the shrink gave the ok.

After what she has been through, I really don't see how a shrink would give her the OK. Even from the scene with her and the shrink I could see she wasn't ready. It makes me wonder if she never told anyone, her shrink included, that she was pregnant.

After what she has been through, I really don't see how a shrink would give her the OK. Even from the scene with her and the shrink I could see she wasn't ready. It makes me wonder if she never told anyone, her shrink included, that she was pregnant.

Good point. Which makes me think...why? Why wouldn't she tell her shrink she was pregnant and lost the baby as a result of the shooting? Could it be she was planning on getting revenge from the very beginning? Is she really THAT calculating?

Exactly, but what is Ana doing back to work 4 months after the shooting? Her mother placed her on the streets once again. That is not for her mother to judge if Ana is metally competent. That is the job of the psychologist or psychiatrist. As it was she wasn't fully recovered from losing the child, so she winds up killing the person who cause her to lose the pregnancy.
The shrink told Ana that her mother had left it up to him to make the decision on whether she was ready to go back to work...and I guess she convinced him cause he handed her the badge. Who knows if he was under the impression it would just be a desk job, and whether he would have agreed to put her back on patrol...