So unless I'm mistaken the character of Cindy, who has been an important member of the tail survivors crew since day one, was just taken by the others (presumably) before Shannon was shot. She didn't get ONE mention this whole episode. I mean... not Libby or Bernard or Ana-Lucia or Eko seemed to even remember her.

And not only that, they actually hung around RIGHT BY WHERE SHE WAS TAKEN all day long while Ana-Lucia worried about being hated by the fusies. What the hell?!

I mean, I get that the shooting would be a big deal and overshadow some stuff... but that's like Hurley disappearing right when those whispers show up and nobody mentioning it the next episode.

Did i miss something that makes this make sense? I thought I was paying attention...

I think Cindy has served her purpose now: to impart crucial knowledge about the diversion of the flight so the tailies knew no-one was looking for them.

Jack and Kate got this from the pilot, so an oceanic employee has to be with the tailies too, otherwise 'The Other 48 Days' would have been 45 minutes of them jumping up and down on the beach trying to signal to passing sharks (which look like they might be boats from the beach). Something had to make them give up hope and move off of the beach - it had to be knowledge that they were well and truly 'lost'.

I'm sure Cindy will be important in the future - always creepy for people who have had interaction with the others (or whoever) to return. I agree though that there was alot going on which would overshadow her disappearance, especially since abductions have become an everyday occurence for the tailies now.

Cindy also had to disappear because she would know that Locke couldn't use his legs before getting on the plane.

I think the important thing about Cindy right now is that she is missing and went missing close to the forward section camp. That could work into an indication that the 'Others' followed the tail enders to the forward section.

Wish I was an apple dangling from a tree
Every time you'd pass me by you'd take a bite of me
I wish I was a bluebird I'd never fly away
I'd sit up on your shoulder baby and sing to you all day
Come on home Cindy Cindy Come on home Cindy Cindy
Come on home Cindy Cindy Come on home to me

Cindy also had to disappear because she would know that Locke couldn't use his legs before getting on the plane.


yes...is there anyone who's a perceived threat to Locke's abilities on the island left around?

aside from possibly Ecko, Locke seems to have everyone under his thumb...

DrArzt...good point.

TinyTimeMachine:
Well, immediately when they realized Cindy was gone, Ana said in a distressed voice "I'm going after her!!!" but Eko held her back and said "No". It wasn't long after that that the whispers started and panic set in. Then of course the rain and Shannon's shooting.

Not that much time has passed really, even though it was a whole episode of no mention of Cindy. Everyone but Ana went to the hatch or beach and we saw the reunions. Jack began treating Sawyer in the hatch, Eko and Locke exchanged "hellos", Sayid started carrying Shannon away, and Jack and Ana are in the jungle and haven't said anything yet. Night hasn't fallen yet, it's the same day.

Now that Bernard, Libby, Michael and Jin are at the beach, they will probably tell other people what transpired, including Cindy disappearing. Keep in mind though, we don't hear every conversation that happens.

I suspect there must be some sort of amnesia shroud over the island. This is not the first time that in a matter of hours things have changed entirelly for no apparent reason. Lets yet again think back to the season 1 final when everyone was panicked about the others coming to kill them. Fast forward a few hours and a few sticks of Dynamite later- and lets not forget the smoke monster thing that got Locke- and we are back to normal. No talk of the others, just this mysterious hatch and now playing golf. Wierd. If i was freaked enough to rush the raft and to traipse through the dark territory and carry unstable dynamite back to blow open a mysterious hatch to hide in, i would think that even a few days later which in reality, thats how long its been, id still be pretty freaked out.

I suspect there must be some sort of amnesia shroud over the island. This is not the first time that in a matter of hours things have changed entirelly for no apparent reason.
Maybe the electromagnetic anomalies in the Swan hatch sector are jamming or
interfering with their memories...and Claire's and Charlie's, etc. Or maybe it's stress. They've had some pretty stressful experiences.

As well as stress and her disappearence being overshadowed by the shooting there are other things which come into play for example, the tailies have had A LOT of people disappear all of which have not resurfaced again to date, therefore I think that they feel as if worrying is completely pointless. They have to detach themselves otherwise they'll drive themselves crazy...

Unfortunately I think they have become all too used losing people and so they're just not mentioning for fear it'll get them all down...

Its the same amnesia cloud that made the towns residents on Buffy not notice giant demons destroying the high school and eating half the students and all the other public paranormal stuff, they just don't notice or speak of it lol.

So unless I'm mistaken the character of Cindy, who has been an important member of the tail survivors crew since day one, was just taken by the others (presumably) before Shannon was shot. She didn't get ONE mention this whole episode. I mean... not Libby or Bernard or Ana-Lucia or Eko seemed to even remember her.

And not only that, they actually hung around RIGHT BY WHERE SHE WAS TAKEN all day long while Ana-Lucia worried about being hated by the fusies. What the hell?!

I mean, I get that the shooting would be a big deal and overshadow some stuff... but that's like Hurley disappearing right when those whispers show up and nobody mentioning it the next episode.

Did i miss something that makes this make sense? I thought I was paying attention...
I am totally with you on this. That was more than strange.

It's similar to the whole everyone forgetting about Claire for an entire episode in season one (after she was abducted).

Because the whole mystery of the island is multi-facteted, it's really difficult for the writers to explore all current events in enough depth in each episode, and I guess it's just better to focus on a few at a time. Add to that the flashbacks and interactions between the characters, and it makes it even harder to fit it all in in a comprehensible way.

If they did everything chronologically, it would take ages to cover significant ground in the story, which I think is why I didn't mind the whole 'Locke goes down the hatch'/'Jack goes down the hatch' thing - it made it more interesting than watching the two in the same episode (or with a split screen!).

I think it's difficult to focus on all the issues because Lost isn't just about the mystery, it's also strongly charcter-led, and both these aspects have to be addressed in some depth in every episode.

I think the fact that there was no mention of Cindy serves to show that her dissapearance will be focussed on in more depth in a future episode, perhaps after she's had the time to have an adventure of some description, a la Claire's reappearance several episodes later. If she's been written out (even as a corpse), it would have been easy for the writers to dismiss her with a quick comment about her from the tailies, showing that they assume she's dead or something. Saying that, though, didn't Eko say something about not going to find her, to Ana Lucia?

I think maybe they're just so used to losing people now, it's not as big a deal as it was the first time.

I suspect there must be some sort of amnesia shroud over the island. This is not the first time that in a matter of hours things have changed entirelly for no apparent reason. Lets yet again think back to the season 1 final when everyone was panicked about the others coming to kill them. Fast forward a few hours and a few sticks of Dynamite later- and lets not forget the smoke monster thing that got Locke- and we are back to normal. No talk of the others, just this mysterious hatch and now playing golf. Wierd. If i was freaked enough to rush the raft and to traipse through the dark territory and carry unstable dynamite back to blow open a mysterious hatch to hide in, i would think that even a few days later which in reality, thats how long its been, id still be pretty freaked out.

Ah, but the only person who told them that the others were going to come and kill them all was Danielle. Charlie and Sayid came to the conclusion that Danielle had lit the fire and use the "Others" as a distraction to grab Aaron, so I doubt they feel in any more danger from them than usual.

As to this occurence - Michael and Jin aren't going to be talking about Cindy's disappearance, and we haven't seen Bernard & Libby's conversations with each other. In the tailenders' experience, no-one comes back from being taken, so I'm guessing that they will grieve for the loss of Cindy and move on.

Perhaps. But, remember, the writers are building to something.

I suspect that the Lost Lostaways will be found. I suspect that even Joanna will be found (she may not have drowned, her body never washed up). It is also (very)remotely possible that those we think are dead will reappear in the flesh, alive and well (there is an old SF novel, 'Seahorse in the Sky' where that happens many times...cloning and memory recording/downloading into a new body etc...speculated up currently in certain science magazines as possiblities).
More likely, I suspect, we will find out what happened to the missing/empty seats in the front end also.

I think they'd remember her if they'd visited the actress' website. She looks lovely here, not at all tired, damp and in a oversized blue uniform as Cindy appears...

www.kimberleyjoseph.com (http://www.kimberleyjoseph.com)

I know one of our loved, trusted and possibly the only one with answers to the flight was taken and is gone...but damn...we have this guy tied to a tree and this dead body to watch over instead of tracking her down with a now LOADED gun and fresh tracks to follow...

Geez...

I know one of our loved, trusted and possibly the only one with answers to the flight was taken and is gone...but damn...we have this guy tied to a tree and this dead body to watch over instead of tracking her down with a now LOADED gun and fresh tracks to follow...

Geez...

Those tracks that Eko says don't exist and even if they did would probably have been washed away in that torrential rain (a la Ethan)? :)

Cindy also had to disappear because she would know that Locke couldn't use his legs before getting on the plane.



Spoiler:

Wasn't there a spoiler a while back about Locke's paralysis being revealed to the other survivors?


Maybe Cindy have something to do with this if she ever returns. Even though she has been pretty much a non-entity thus far, I really hopes that she comes back.

Have any of you read the diary? This move on attitude is addressed there.

"No matter what I hear or see, I will always be amazed at how quickly people revert to a comfort level. We are on an island in the middle of nowhere. And yet, despite everything that has occurred, life among the castaways is beginning to find it's way back to normal. People are doing laundry--LAUNDRY! And all around them danger lurks on a level that most of them are completely unprepared for..."

My guess is that the writers would rather move the plot along than have the castaways stuck on discussing what has already taken place.

Have any of you read the diary? This move on attitude is addressed there.

"No matter what I hear or see, I will always be amazed at how quickly people revert to a comfort level. We are on an island in the middle of nowhere. And yet, despite everything that has occurred, life among the castaways is beginning to find it's way back to normal. People are doing laundry--LAUNDRY! And all around them danger lurks on a level that most of them are completely unprepared for..."

My guess is that the writers would rather move the plot along than have the castaways stuck on discussing what has already taken place.

Several things can be happening:
First of all the amount of time involved is really not that great. Even if it takes a couple episodes for them to start seeking Cindy, only a few hours may pass in island (show) time.

Secondly the diary writer's comment about reverting to normal so swiftly. That is to me a scene of people under stress seeking the familar in an act of denial. They don't want to see the danger and the weird events. There is a feeling of safety generated by performing the familar routines of everyday life. There is also a false sense of safety in refusing to remember or discuss the indications of danger such as Where's Cindy? or What happened to Claire?"

Thirdly, if the tail enders have never successfully gone after and rescued one of their missing, they may now have the mind set that anyone gone missing for more than a few minutes (Cindy) is gone for good and chasing after them is both futile and dangerous.

Cindy also had to disappear because she would know that Locke couldn't use his legs before getting on the plane.
That's interesting, because Boone also knew, and he got killed. It's a safe bet that Walt knew too, and he was taken away. Maybe for some reason The Island is protecting Locke's secret.

I don't think that makes any sense but I thought I'd throw it out there all the same. :biggrin:

That's interesting, because Boone also knew, and he got killed. It's a safe bet that Walt knew too, and he was taken away. Maybe for some reason The Island is protecting Locke's secret.

I don't think that makes any sense but I thought I'd throw it out there all the same. :biggrin:

I can't remember Locke telling Boone about his paralysis. When did that happen?

It's been awhile, but I believe he told him on the way to the Beechcraft.

It's been awhile, but I believe he told him on the way to the Beechcraft.

I remember Locke's legs giving out of him, but can't remember if Locke actually told Boone that he had previously been paralysed. Is that what convinced Boone to climb up to the beachcomber?

I remember Locke's legs giving out of him, but can't remember if Locke actually told Boone that he had previously been paralysed. Is that what convinced Boone to climb up to the beachcomber?
It's what convinced Boone that they should keep moving and find the plane. Boone wanted to take Locke back to Jack when started falling down.

LOCKE: I was in a wheelchair.

BOONE: What?

LOCKE: I was paralyzed for four years. The plane -- our plane -- I was in that
chair when we took off, but not after we crashed.

BOONE: Why were you in a wheelchair?

LOCKE: It doesn't matter anymore. But this island ... it changed me. It made
me whole. Now it's trying to take it back, and I don't know why. (Boone
swallows.) But it wants me to follow what I saw.

i agree with the original poster of this thread- it is ridiculous and sloppy writing that cindy was not mentioned at all in this episode. and people, you don't always have to try and defend the illogical plotting that pops up on this show quite frequently.

That's interesting, because Boone also knew, and he got killed. It's a safe bet that Walt knew too, and he was taken away. Maybe for some reason The Island is protecting Locke's secret.

I don't think that makes any sense but I thought I'd throw it out there all the same. :biggrin:
Hmmmmmm.

I am smiling:) at that last part...

Island Amnesia- def. seemingly convenient memory loss by the main characters that prevents them from speaking of the newly departed. ex. Claire's week-long kidnapping; Cindy's abduction. Org. Probably due to time constraints or pressure to keep story "moving", abducted characters are relegated to the obsessive nature of Lostaceans who hang out on internet discussion forums who wonder why they are never mentioned on the show.

Sweet sweet Cindy...

I had a great flight attendant on my Thanksgiving trip. All I could think of was how the little bit of attention Cindy paid to Jack was overanalized here. By those standards my flight attendand should have come home with me. (Alas, she did not)

We will see Cindy again. Her disappearance was too quick to be left hanging. There's got to be a reason she was taken or left like that.

I know one of our loved, trusted and possibly the only one with answers to the flight was taken and is gone...but damn...we have this guy tied to a tree and this dead body to watch over instead of tracking her down with a now LOADED gun and fresh tracks to follow...

Geez...
The others don't make track .. and they probably carried her away

i agree with what's been said about Cindy's abduction,but the survivors are somehow not good with asking questions to those they have a chance getting answers from..(sorry for bad english)they never asked much to Danielle which i think is not clever since she's been on the island for 16 yrs,they(or Jack)didn't question Desmond much,he just let him go after he catched him in the jungle,i mean what was the point in following him then?what i'm trying to say is that there are many questions unanswered by those who can and no one asks anything..there's no guarantee that they'll answer,and they probably won't say much,but still it would be worth a try i think..
As for the survivors doing normal stuff,like doing laundry,i agree with the idea,someone mentioned this can't remember who though,that they would go crazy otherwise..If ppl would only live with fear and panic they couln't have been able to survive for much long..They have to hold on to something even if it's something so ridiculous to do on an isolated island..It's the same in real world,bad things happen but somehow ppl move on..say time healds or anything else,or even when they can't get over things they still do move on..So i think the case may be just simple as that..

RE: Things Cindy knew...

She also knew Charlie was acting suspiciously, didn't they try to chase him down before he ducked into the restroom? She may have caught on to the whole drug thing.

Although she claimed she never saw Goodwin on the plane...and it seems like he was. (I know, a debatable point) so who knows how much pre-crash incidents she'll actually remember.

Cindy was alluded to, when Eko told Locke upon arrival in the hatch that there were 5 tail section survivors, but when Locke asks him to confirm it, he corrects him by saying "there are 4."

I think when so many people have gone missing in such a short amount of time, another missing person is understandably drawing more concern for the remaining people than concern for the missing. Plus, there's got to be a mass attack of Post Tramatic Stress going on all over the island, so I guess everyone's lack of concern doesn't bother me.

And not only that, they actually hung around RIGHT BY WHERE SHE WAS TAKEN all day long while Ana-Lucia worried about being hated by the fusies. What the hell?!
No no, that's not exactly right. Cindy was taken in the middle of the day (2x06), sun shining and no rain. Whispers start, Ana-Lucia yells "run!" and CUT. The next scene we see (2x07): Night, raining, whispers start again (!), Ana-Lucia shoots Shannon...
So there's a gap of maybe several hours between both whispers leaving enough time for the tailies to forget Cindy and move on quite a bit. ;)

I think when so many people have gone missing in such a short amount of time
What short amount of time? The others haven't taken anyone from the Tailies since Day 12, so it's kinda surprising they restart their abduction business right now, don't you think?

cu.

The tailies move out.
Cindy disapears
Now the Tailies are on the run.
The shooting takes place.
Ana goes nuts with the gun
Eko makes it to Jack and Kate.
They take Sawyer to the hatch.
Jack and Eko head back to Ana and Syaid
The Tailes, rafties reunite with the Losties.
That was pretty much the end of the one show and the whole next one.
I don't see where anyone had time to fill anyone in on anything.

If it doesn't happen in the next eppi, then I would say there is a problem. Because now Jin and Micheal are back at the camp and have had time to fill everyone in.

Dollar bet cindy returns in a couple weeks, just like claire, full on amnesia, with no answers...

Perhaps. But, remember, the writers are building to something.

I suspect that the Lost Lostaways will be found. I suspect that even Joanna will be found (she may not have drowned, her body never washed up). It is also (very)remotely possible that those we think are dead will reappear in the flesh, alive and well (there is an old SF novel, 'Seahorse in the Sky' where that happens many times...cloning and memory recording/downloading into a new body etc...speculated up currently in certain science magazines as possiblities).
More likely, I suspect, we will find out what happened to the missing/empty seats in the front end also.
Who is Joanna? Am I missing somebody?

I still think cindy is an "other". I dont think she was taken, I think she took off. I dont have any proof, just a feeling.

Who is Joanna? Am I missing somebody?The lady who went for an early morning swim in season 1 and drowned. Boone was trying to save her and ran into trouble in the surf, then Jack went in to save Boone. Jack couldn't also reach Joanna.

Cindy could have been taken by others but she also could have taken a fall in the rough terrain. I can just see her out there lost or perhaps injured and unable to travel, wondering where the heck everyone else is. They should send a search party out to determine what happened. Although Eko's changing the count from 5 to 4 indicates he assumes she was taken.

Who is Joanna? Am I missing somebody?

The one who drowned that Boone and Jack couldn't save.

Anyone think that Ana Lucia (who I still hope Kate kills) was wanting all those supplies so she could go one a rescue mission?

Get Cindy, then get the rest of the missing tailie.

That's a strong possibilty. Good thought :thumbup1:

Its the same amnesia cloud that made the towns residents on Buffy not notice giant demons destroying the high school and eating half the students and all the other public paranormal stuff, they just don't notice or speak of it lol.

Actually they did notice...just didn't say anything....they thanked her at the graduation because without her they'd probably all be dead....

and guess the amnesia goes along with them not posting someone on watch when they slept after attacks...would think if stranded on an island & you get attacked the first night that someone would stay awake to try & prevent future attacks....

I still think cindy is an "other". I dont think she was taken, I think she took off. I dont have any proof, just a feeling.

yes, I think she knew what was up.

I get this feeling from Libby too, that she's trying to psychologically manipulate everyone.


If she was taken... I think it could be because she knew about Locke's paralysis or Charlies habit. (not that i can back this up, I'm just sayin' :biggrin: ).

Anyone think that Ana Lucia (who I still hope Kate kills) was wanting all those supplies so she could go one a rescue mission?

Get Cindy, then get the rest of the missing tailie.

Nope, I think she was planning on living on the island on her own.

Anyone think that Ana Lucia (who I still hope Kate kills) was wanting all those supplies so she could go one a rescue mission?

Get Cindy, then get the rest of the missing tailie.Nope. I think that Ana, shocked by the bountiful deeds she had done, was getting set to run and hide so she wouldn’t have to face the group and punishment. Ana as a fugitive from justice would need supplies to survive. I think at this point she had already given up on Cindy and likely would have agreed with Eko’s count of 4 not 5.

Has it ever been officially confirmed that Cindy was the same person as the flight attendant who gave Jack two more liquor bottles?
I understand Cindy and that flight attendant were played by the same actress and the creators, etc. were thrilled with her performance but other than that I'm not entirely convinced, yet.
Cindy and the flight attendant wore blue blouses and dark pants, but Cindy was in the tail section of the plane while the flight attendant had just chased Charlie into a restroom towards the nose section of the plane. How & why could she end up in the tail section during the chaos of the crashing plane?
In episode 2x07 Cindy said: "We were flying for two hours in the wrong direction." I haven't flown in ages and even when I did there never were any problems, so I don't know if the pilot would have informed the passengers or only his crew that they wouldn't continue the flight to L.A.
If the passengers were informed Jack & Co. shouldn't have been surprised about what the still-alive pilot said when they found him in the nose section of the plane - but they were.
Maybe the pilot made an announcement but only the speakers in the tail section of the plane worked?
But wouldn't all the passengers notice such a turn? Isn't there a display mapping the progress of the flight in planes anymore, e.g.?

Something else: According to IMDB (http://imdb.com/name/nm0430634/) the flight attendant's / Cindy's voice appeared in episode # 1.3 "Tabula Rasa" (uncredited). I know that IMDB isn't that reliable, but I'd still like to ask if this was true. Does anybody know what this listing refers to?
Thank you!

It is definitely supposed to be the same character and the same flight attendent, the hade. There has been quite bit of debate as to how Cindy ended up in the tail section of the plane when she appeared to be in the mid section with Charlie, and quite a few threads based on Cindy deal with this. It seems that this is open to debate. Perhaps it has some significance or perhaps it is a merely a continuity error.

If you think about what Cindy knew from the pilot eps - that Jack had his dead father on board, that Kate was a crim, that Locke was disabled, it makes sense that this would be the same character, as Cindy knows a lot and it is a great plot device for her return, if this happens.

Cindy's voice on the tannoy appeared in the third episode in a flashback, when there was a revisit of the plane crash.

Cindy also had to disappear because she would know that Locke couldn't use his legs before getting on the plane.

Yep so Cindy, Rose, Sawyer and the other are the only knows who know. Locke didn't seem so surprised about Cindy, didn't he know her.