After my initial thread I included this on a small scale, but with a lot more research and thought, I've decided it probably needs it own deidcated thread to discuss... as it fits together some of the plot quite well.

Ingo Swann
Ingo Swann (Swann… remind you of anything? The Swan Station is Number 3) is an artist who helped develop the procedure of remote viewing at the Stanford Research Institute, and has become well known as a remote viewer himself. In 1972, Ingo Swann read a paper by Dr. Hal Puthoff while visiting Backster's laboratory, and wrote back suggesting that he should instead study parapsychological effects.

The Hanso Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility
Under the remote viewing family of protocols, the viewer is blind to the target, i.e. is not explicitly told what the target is; rather it is specified in one of several ways. One common method is that the target is described either in writing or by a photograph or by some set of coordinates (e.g. latitude & longitude), the latter of which may be encrypted. It allows the person to know what is there and try to percieve it, which indicates they can 'tell the future'.

THEORY
I think the above paragraph is integral. The target is described in an encrypted method, meaning that this is why the 'Number' were being plied out to the Lostaways, and are all over the characters lives, as it's the co-ordinates to the Island, meaning that those who got to the Island had picked up these messages and have this 'extra sense'... and that's why they were all on the plane... and why they are on the hatch! Hence, the Lostaways aren't there by chance... they are there because the encrypted co-ordinates guided them there.

The persons description is then placed in a double-set of opaque envelopes which may be shown to the viewer or its location described to the viewer, but which the viewer is not allowed to touch or open during the viewing session. The viewer then writes down whatever information he can gather about the target, typically including drawings and gestalt impressions as well as visual details (and sometimes auditory or kinesthetic details as well). The viewing session is often administered or facilitated by a second person called the monitor, which means the viewer can't 'cheat' in any of there methods...

The output of the viewing session is evaluated by a third person, the analyst or evaluator, who matches or ranks the output against a pool consisting of the actual target with some number of decoy or dummy targets. In research scenarios (experiments) the monitor and analyst are also blind to the target along with the viewer until the evaluation is complete. The viewer is typically given information about the target after the evaluation is complete, especially during training sessions.

A very interesting fact I found is that from 1972 to 1995 the CIA were involved in the process of Remote Viewing (which ties in with the CIA being involved with Sayid going onto that flight). Over 20 Million Dollars was spent on the project… but in 1995 it was under heavy criticism, and the AIR (American Institute For Research) advised the CIA to pull the plug (after the plug was pulled, CIA released details of ther research, few can be found here: http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/CIA-InitiatedRV.html)... yet an even more interesting fact is that since the end of the government's involvement with Project Star Gate (name for the Government’s remote viewing projects), remote viewing has entered the private sector. Entering a private sector could indicate that HANSO is also one of these private companies who have taken it upon themselves to examine Remote Viewing.

THEORY
Are we the ‘Third Person’ (analyst/evaluator)…? Remote Viewing seems to be a very secretive event, as it seems the analyst and viewer are blind to the target until the evaluation is complete. Are we blind to the target..? It seems plausible. We are constantly evaluating there actions and movements. The target themselves may not know about the experiment – which fits in with the story of the castaways. Yet, they may still be able to 'predict' future events with all the hallucinations they see, or think they see. With us seeing this, we then analyse and relate it to the actual targets (like when Locke saw Boone blood-covered, and the plane... we didn't know what the target was, but that was Locke's 'estimation'... in effect. Later on we found that Locke's preminition was correct, hence, us as analysers, would say he is correct.

In a nutshell – Remote Viewing is having an extra sensory perception that only a select few worldwide can pick up… is this how the castaways got on the Island? They were the only ones who could sense the signals, and eventually get there, in there own way (without even knowing it). Remote Viewing indicates that a person can perceive distant objects, persons, or events, including "seeing" through opaque objects and the detection of types of energy not normally perceptible to humans (i.e. radio waves).

THEORY
The hallucination’s of the castaways… is that their perception of future events? Will Walt appear in the future saying those things to the remaining survivors (about the button, and they’re close)… It’s all possible. It’s even more plausible due to the fact that this has already happened in one (and more) instances – remember when Locke foresaw Boone’s death, though, he didn’t know it at the time… and he knew about the plane no-one else knew about? It all indicates an extra sense, which all of the castaways probably contain. The whispers could be included in this, people’s phrases/actions in the future… or they could be radio-waves which on those with this extra-sense pick up.

Also, this type of clairvoyance could explain almost the paranormal nature of Walt, and the frightening awareness of Locke. When Walt ‘killed’ the bird… and when he knew about ‘The Hatch’, before Locke had even told anyone. Or, when Locke knew it was going to rain in ‘one minute’… I’m sure you can think of more examples.

With this theory about Remote Viewing, and my Electromagnetism Theory, I am beginning to believe each ‘Active Project’ of Hanso is integral to the plot (now we just need to figure each one out ;)). The ‘Good’ ones (stated by Goodwin) could mean the people who cab help them in a certain project… though, on the website ‘Remote Viewing’ is the last project if they’re in order, meaning it could be revealed last… which could mean that they are being monitored, constantly.

It is sounding like someone needs to identify new coordinates and give everyone a pair of red shoes...tap their heels together 3 times and chant "There's no place like home...there's no place like hooooooome..."...

ETA: Posting links to the Whispers threads:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=25491&highlight=whispers+rvturnage

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=26636&highlight=whispers+rvturnage

I read some of the whisper transcripts and it seems like the whisperers are responding to what they are seeing the Losties, or one of them, do in the present...:confused:

Thats odd Junie because we know the whispers recount the past...

Sawyer heard, "it'll come back around", Sayid heard things that he remembered...

I know, some of the whispers seem present tense, while others seem memories from the past... while, Shannon's could be a mixture... as they seem to be talking about her in present tense, while 'Hi Sis' could have been a memory like Sawyer's/Sayid's...

Another example for my theory is Claire's 'dream' (if it was one), where her baby was stolen or attacked... preminition of either Ethan or Danielle kidnapping..? I think so...

I read some of the whisper transcripts and it seems like the whisperers are responding to what they are seeing the Losties, or one of them, do in the present...:confused:

Maybe the whispers are in the present but also refer to key phrases from the past as a trigger. Sawyer clearly heard "It'll come back around" which triggered his guilt about killing Frank...perhaps who ever is whispering discusses what is happening and then repeats a phrase that will have a specific desired effect.

Thats odd Junie because we know the whispers recount the past...

Sawyer heard, "it'll come back around", Sayid heard things that he remembered...

What about the whispers that were a few people talking saying things like should we tell him, etc....during one of Sayid's scenes...it seemed like they were debating about making contact with him, but ended up voting against it...it seems like they are in the person's head, but then again, not...???

belshep...you mentioned "trigger" and I am thinking about how the whispers can be incorporated into my spec on Mind Control...

Hi, I'm new here, been lurking for ages. I just joined to post in the pineal thread but this one looked better. I was going to mention stargate because I read David Morehouse's book several years ago. I like the idea of a pineal warping EM field on the Island-if the pineal is indeed the minds eye and the key to astral projection(via sleep paralysis) and remote viewing then there are mind-boggling implications. If entering the code somehow keeps the EM field at the swan station in check, perhaps the incident was a huge jump in the EM flux, which affected the Dharma crew to such an extent that the experiments were abandoned, something in the hatch was barricaded off with concrete,(a dimentional gate created a la the philadelphia experiment which deposited the black rock in the Island interior??) and those who went insane because their pineal floodgates were thrown open degenerated into the cargo cult-like tribe that we know as the others. If this is the case it would explain the visions of Walt, the premonitions of Locke, and if Morehouse is correct in that remote viewing into other dimensions revealed "entities" that he described as like"angels", could even explain Jack's visions of his dead father, as well as the channeling of Wayne through Sawyer. What do you think?

a dimentional gate created a la the philadelphia experiment which deposited the black rock in the Island interior...??

and those who went insane because their pineal floodgates were thrown open degenerated into the cargo cult-like tribe that we know as the others. If this is the case it would explain the visions of Walt, the premonitions of Locke, and if Morehouse is correct in that remote viewing into other dimensions revealed "entities" that he described as like"angels", could even explain Jack's visions of his dead father, as well as the channeling of Wayne through Sawyer. What do you think?

Thanks for the brilliant idea SlickFifty, and I have researched the Philadelphia Experiment alot (am planning to do a theory on it - I think)... and it could explain a lot more to the plot.

Philadelphia Experiment was a secret experiment which involved the research of Electromagnetism and Gravity... meaning you could bend light around an object, meaning the object would become invisible. Legend has it that this was successful on many levels, the first time at making something invisible, the second transportation. The ship transported to several places (thousands of miles apart, like Philadelphia and Norfolk) and this was 'transportation', it was said.

Could the above explain how all the objects got to the Island in the first place..? If these objects managed to replicate the Philadelphia Experiment with gravity and electromagnetism, they could have been transported to the Island, and unfortunately, not knowing how to transport themselves back off it.

Yet, the people involved in the experiment (if this occured to the planes, ships that landed on the Island, the people on these things would be similar to the people in the experiment) had huge side-effects from being involved. All the crew become critically ill, some became scizophrenic, and supposedly others become attached and 'glued' to the ships deck.

Question is, can this be related to LOST? Answer: Of course it can...

The black rock, Danielle's crew and Oceanic Flight 815, how did they all get to the Island? Many feel the plane crash was a 'fake', but this could fit in with both theories... if it was transported there, it could have been dropped onto the ground but at a slow pace, hence, chance of injury would of been much less. Yet, it could look like a real plane crash if it was teleported there at a height, hence, the pace would be much faster... this is obviously up for discussion, but it could explain why the lostaways (or the majority) aren't severely injured.

Danielle claims that her 'crew' got sick, and this is possible if it's based on the Philadelphia Experiment... they could have been violently ill, and Danielle herself may have been severely ill - but also mentally ill, scizophrenia could have made her kill all her crew and she could have got over her physical illness... Also, this explains for her moodswings. If you look at her scenes, she can be understanding, violent, and crazy at times, but all switches in a matter of minutes... one minute torturing Sayid, next talking with him... one minute shooting at Hurley, next minute hugging him ;)... one minute 'helping' Claire, next minute stealing her child...

With this, when we looked in the black rock we saw people in handcuffs... but could they have been 'glued' to the deck like those were in the Philadelphia Experiment? All those were just skeletons and on the floor, they could have also had adverse effects from the black rock, and how it got there.

The castaways themselves have many symptoms of being mentally ill. Constant flashbacks, constant hallucinations, paranoia and moodswings... to be honest, they're are pretty unstable group if you look at it realistically. This could be related to the trauma of the crash, but it's still pretty crazy behaviour.

As you can see, StickyFifty, you've added a new 'realm' to my theory :) Thanks... (Hope I've answered your question)...

Yes, it is believed that the principle demonstrated by the philadelphia experiment was the unified field theory..interestingly enough Einstein submitted a unified field theory in the 1930's but destroyed at and later said he was "horrified" by its implications........
a naturally occuring EM phenomenon on the island would be spooky enough if any of this type of science is valid, but if the EM field was artificially manipulated...I think what could happen could easily be classified as an "incident".....but I'm going offtopic...just like on LOST everything is interconnected in upteen ways....

I know, some of the whispers seem present tense, while others seem memories from the past... while, Shannon's could be a mixture... as they seem to be talking about her in present tense, while 'Hi Sis' could have been a memory like Sawyer's/Sayid's..

Here are whisper transcripts from Lostlinks. The problem with whsiper transcripts is that they are extremely hard to verify (at least for me - I can usually only make out a word or two) but this is what they have:

SHANNON & SAYID IN THE JUNGLE (From 'The Other 48 Days')

Relax Dude, I think she likes the guy
You're life
Ich Weiss Nicht (German for 'I don't know')
Look out
Ana’s the trigger
You're gonna kill her
Move on (Gun shot)
See ya
(Like a chorus singing just after the gunshot)
------
Shannon
She likes the guy, she likes the guy
Shannon
Your life and and time is up
Help me
Shannon, meet me on the other side
Her song
('Ana-Lucia' when reversed)
(Gun shot)
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Relax dude, she likes the guy, she likes the guy
Shannon
(In the background)
I know it all I know it all...
(In the background)
Dying sucks
Shannon
I don't think you should tell her when she comes
Obviously she likes you
Who's the guy?
I want to see Shannon
Eye to eye
(In the background)
Who's the guy?
Fire Lucia
The brothers that help us
Are you done with it?
Her song
('Ana-Lucia' when reversed)
(Gun shot)
Fire


SHANNON & SAYID IN THE JUNGLE (From 'Abandoned')

Relax dude
She likes the guy
She’s coming
I don't know if I can run, but I can (or can't) yell
Shannon sighs (Scream)
Dying sucks
Hurry up
Shh
------
She likes this guy
Dying sucks
Hi sis
Here she comes, here she comes
His mouth
She drives me crazy
Hurry up
I see eye to eye
I see...
------
Relax dude
She likes the guy
What do you think we should do?
She’s coming
We should hide, we should run
Heard some voice
See ya
(or possibly 'Lucia')
Hide the scope
Hurry up


ANA & MR. EKO'S GROUP IN THE JUNGLE (From 'Abandoned')

Who's this in the woods
Sawyer
Ana
I’m in someone’s dream
Ich Weiss Nicht (German for 'I don't know')
She’s heavy
Black Rock
Bring the boy
I’m in someone’s dream
------
Look in the eyes, right?
Do you see her? (or possibly 'Lucia')
It’s the brothers that help us
I can see eye to eye
Sawyer
Did she see?
Bossy eh missy?
I’m in someone’s dream
I know it all, I know it all
It’s the eyes (or possibly 'Lucia')
I can see eye to eye
I’m in someone’s dream
------
I know it all, I know it all
Do you see her? (or possibly 'Lucia')
I can see eye to eye
Did she see?
Shannon
Hide behind me
Bossy eh missy?
I’m in someone’s dream
I know it all (repeated in background)
Under the eye (or possibly 'Eye to eye')
It’s the eyes (or possibly 'Lucia')
I can see eye to eye
She’s bossy
I’m in someone’s dream

SAWYER IN THE JUNGLE (From 'Outlaws')

How could you say that, I knew he was American
It was a large group
It'll come back around (Frank Duckett's voice)
Now listen
Here’s what we should do
Nothing
It’s not the one
He’s coming up on the gate
------
How could you say that, I knew he was American
Hey listen, come on let’s go
Go and see what he's doing
Duetch negg or Joice leg (perhaps another language or reversed)
Like it's your choice
He's coming up on the gate
My guess is to shoot the pig (or 'Guess he'll shoot the pig')
Yes
My hand (or head) is free
------
How could you even say that, I knew he was an American
Hey listen, come on lets go
Go and see what he's doing
He's coming up on the gate
My guess is to shoot the pig...
Okay

------

Woman's voice
Maybe we should just talk to him
Man's voice
No if he see us it will ruin everything
Man's voice
What did he see
Woman's voice
They could help us
Man's voice
Can't trust
Man's voice
Come back around (Sawyer pauses, crickets and cicada are heard)
Man's voice
What did he see
Man's voice
Nothing, he was following it
Woman's voice
Speak
Man's voice
Nothing
Frank Duckett's voice: It'll come back around


SAYID IN THE JUNGLE (From 'Solitary')

Man's voice: Just let him get out of here
Man's voice: He's seen too much already
Man's voice: What if he tells
Woman's voice: Could just speak to him
Man's voice: No

If these transcripts are accurate, it certainly supports the theory that there is remote viewing going on and that the Lostaways are being manipulated.

My theory: Dharma was researching enhanced remote viewing and mathematical forecasting. I believe they learned to use magnets to amplify the remote viewers “signal” so he could both see and be seen across great distances. In other words, I think they can project images on the minds of others. I think they knew oceanic 815 was going to crash on the island and that there would be survivors. I think they used their ability to project images from the island to increase the odds that certain people would be on the plane.


More and more Lost seems to be about absolutely improbable events. Not impossible, but extremely improbable. What are the odds of a plane ripping apart mid-air yielding so many survivors? What are the odds of a black horse wandering in front of the Marshal’s car right when he looked away? Hurley’s lottery win? Sawyer meeting Jack’s Dad in the bar? Odds could be calculated for each one, and I put forth that they were. I also believe that Dharma has done things to increase the odds in their favour.

Suppose you knew a major tragic event would happen in the future- like a plane crash. You knew the time and place the plane would crash. You knew there would be survivors, but you could not be certain exactly who those survivors would be. Yet you needed certain survivors. You needed Walt or Kate or Sayid for your own fiendish plans. How could you tilt the odds in favour of one of them winding up on the beach alive?

You tilt the odds in your favour. I think Kate's horse on the road was a transmission from the island to help her escape. I think they were able to view Kate's future, and saw her escape as the pivot point for her possibly being on flight 815. The same for Jack, I think Desmond meeting him in the stadium might have been a projection from the island. That might have been Jack’s pivot point. I think the events that followed led him to be on the island.

From my own reading of remote viewing, I have learned that it is more accurate for large events, like a plane crash. And less and less accurate for smaller details , like who survived the crash. Einstein would have something to say about the reason for this: The outcomes of the small details can change as small events change, but the larger events are more unlikely to be changed.

For example: You might use remote viewing to see a tsunami. Nothing can change the fact that it will occur, but as to who survives: it depends on what each person was doing before the tsunami. Someone with a remote view of a tsunami could call all his pals in the strike zone and tell them to seek higher ground. This can’t change the tsunami, but it can change the smaller details of who survives.

Clearly Goodwin was waiting for the crash. In my opinion he was dressed, rehearsed, and waiting for that tail to come crashing down. What he, and his pals didn’t know, was who would live through it. That’s why he was there, to pick out any of the people Dharma was hoping would be on the plane. That's why one of the others had a hand-written list of who to grab - Goodwin made the list.

The writers have already showed this theory as a plot element. I believe her psychic saw that she would be on the plane, and I think he knew it would crash. Yet he sent her anyway. He manipulated her life and specifically placed her on that plane. He knew if he did not intervene, she wouldn’t be on that plane. In the framework of the show, he was accurately able to view claire’s history. He was clearly able to see something frightening in her future. I think of all the survivors, Claire should not be there. She even tells us that, “I shouldn’t be here” in season one.Its possible the Dharma folks did something to make Claire's boyfriend jump ship. They wanted her to give her baby to the adoptive couple. But Claire’s psychic intervened. I think that threw all the Dharma plans off - and makes Claire the wild card for Aaron.

SAWYER IN THE JUNGLE (From 'Outlaws')

Woman's voice
Maybe we should just talk to him
Man's voice
No if he see us it will ruin everything
Man's voice
What did he see
Woman's voice
They could help us
Man's voice
Can't trust
Man's voice
Come back around (Sawyer pauses, crickets and cicada are heard)
Man's voice
What did he see
Man's voice
Nothing, he was following it
Woman's voice
Speak
Man's voice
Nothing
Frank Duckett's voice: It'll come back around


SAYID IN THE JUNGLE (From 'Solitary')

Man's voice: Just let him get out of here
Man's voice: He's seen too much already
Man's voice: What if he tells
Woman's voice: Could just speak to him
Man's voice: No [/I]



For what it's worth...these two transcripts are done by Adawhen, last season. They are COMPLETELY seperate from the transcripts done by PenYours and myself. We don't think that the ones done by Adawhen are accurate at all. It's ultimately your decision which transcripts (if any) you feel are accurate, but don't confuse Adawhens work with ours. lostlinks.net does include both sets of transcripts, so pay attention to whose is whose when reading them.

rvt

hey wootty- ur theory sounds great- but i'm not sure i'm completely grasping it. i swear, i'm not a moron, but could u please re-explain, in a short, easy-to-read summary what exactly remote viewing is? thanks so much ;)

My theory: Dharma was researching enhanced remote viewing and mathematical forecasting. I believe they learned to use magnets to amplify the remote viewers “signal” so he could both see and be seen across great distances. In other words, I think they can project images on the minds of others. I think they knew oceanic 815 was going to crash on the island and that there would be survivors. I think they used their ability to project images from the island to increase the odds that certain people would be on the plane.


More and more Lost seems to be about absolutely improbable events. Not impossible, but extremely improbable. What are the odds of a plane ripping apart mid-air yielding so many survivors? What are the odds of a black horse wandering in front of the Marshal’s car right when he looked away? Hurley’s lottery win? Sawyer meeting Jack’s Dad in the bar? Odds could be calculated for each one, and I put forth that they were. I also believe that Dharma has done things to increase the odds in their favour.

Suppose you knew a major tragic event would happen in the future- like a plane crash. You knew the time and place the plane would crash. You knew there would be survivors, but you could not be certain exactly who those survivors would be. Yet you needed certain survivors. You needed Walt or Kate or Sayid for your own fiendish plans. How could you tilt the odds in favour of one of them winding up on the beach alive?

You tilt the odds in your favour. I think Kate's horse on the road was a transmission from the island to help her escape. I think they were able to view Kate's future, and saw her escape as the pivot point for her possibly being on flight 815. The same for Jack, I think Desmond meeting him in the stadium might have been a projection from the island. That might have been Jack’s pivot point. I think the events that followed led him to be on the island.

From my own reading of remote viewing, I have learned that it is more accurate for large events, like a plane crash. And less and less accurate for smaller details , like who survived the crash. Einstein would have something to say about the reason for this: The outcomes of the small details can change as small events change, but the larger events are more unlikely to be changed.

For example: You might use remote viewing to see a tsunami. Nothing can change the fact that it will occur, but as to who survives: it depends on what each person was doing before the tsunami. Someone with a remote view of a tsunami could call all his pals in the strike zone and tell them to seek higher ground. This can’t change the tsunami, but it can change the smaller details of who survives.

Clearly Goodwin was waiting for the crash. In my opinion he was dressed, rehearsed, and waiting for that tail to come crashing down. What he, and his pals didn’t know, was who would live through it. That’s why he was there, to pick out any of the people Dharma was hoping would be on the plane. That's why one of the others had a hand-written list of who to grab - Goodwin made the list.

The writers have already showed this theory as a plot element. I believe her psychic saw that she would be on the plane, and I think he knew it would crash. Yet he sent her anyway. He manipulated her life and specifically placed her on that plane. He knew if he did not intervene, she wouldn’t be on that plane. In the framework of the show, he was accurately able to view claire’s history. He was clearly able to see something frightening in her future. I think of all the survivors, Claire should not be there. She even tells us that, “I shouldn’t be here” in season one.Its possible the Dharma folks did something to make Claire's boyfriend jump ship. They wanted her to give her baby to the adoptive couple. But Claire’s psychic intervened. I think that threw all the Dharma plans off - and makes Claire the wild card for Aaron.
I don't understand why not more said about this....IMHO this is a very plausable theory