teresa falls up the stairs/teresa fallas down the stairs

now what...nothing,

locke gets pulled into a pit by a smoke tendril, and then it never gets spoken of again.

I dont NEED answers, I just need things not to be presented then blissfully ignored.

Id think the losties would at least Bring up some of these wierd occurances in conversation sometime (as opposed to playing golf for example).

More of a comment than anything...

teresa falls up the stairs/teresa fallas down the stairs

now what...nothing,

Actually, this was explained in the same episode. Theresa was the name of Boone's nanny/housekeeper, who died falling down the stairs after climbing the stairs to get Boone. Boone told Locke the story and was freaked out that Locke knew the name Theresa. This was how Locke was able to confirm that there was some truth to the dream/vision.

I agree with Greg. Also as far as the getting pulled in to the pit and the smoke... the main losties talked about the fact of the existence of the black smoke, but they still at this point (at least as far as we know) have no clue what that was other than it having to do with the Monster/Security System. I believe that we'll be finding out about that in the future (hopefully sooner than later).

...and the truth to the vision was shannons death?

The Monster is lurking...keep in mind it has been...what...a week since it's last appearence on Island time...??

Patience grasshopper...

...and the truth to the vision was shannons death?

No...the truth was that Locke wanted to go find that plane he saw in the vision...Boone was the one that was bloody and battered in the vision talking about Theresa...it was predicting his own Death...Locke had to know that...that is why he said to Jack that Boone was a sacrifice the Island demanded.

The vision, as it happened, was Locke talking to Boone... seeing a plane crash (the Nigerian drug plane) and then the Theresa line...

Later, he talks to Boone about Theresa and finds out that she was Boone's nanny... since obviously in his dream/vision he found out about Theresa (someone that actually existed in Boone's life) it further proved to him that the plane that he saw existed... further more, Boone was all jacked up in the vision, which he was in real life after the plane fell out of the tree canopy.

teresa falls up the stairs/teresa fallas down the stairs

now what...nothing,

locke gets pulled into a pit by a smoke tendril, and then it never gets spoken of again.

I dont NEED answers, I just need things not to be presented then blissfully ignored.

Id think the losties would at least Bring up some of these wierd occurances in conversation sometime (as opposed to playing golf for example).

More of a comment than anything...
Actually Locke mentioned the smoke either in the episode when it pulled him in the hole or the next episode. He was talking to Kate about the possibility of him being crazy. He said something like "It's possible I am crazy, after all it appeared to be a puff of black smoke pulling me into that hole. I wonder what Jack thinks he saw." It was right before they blew the hatch.

RE:"It's possible I am crazy, after all it appeared to be a puff of black smoke pulling me into that hole. I wonder what Jack thinks he saw."

I do recall that, so i guess that is all the resolution I can expect from such an incredible happening.
If that happened to me, I think I would be a bit more talkative about it...

Yeah, and will that bit about the sacrifice every be explained. I think not. There's been a thousand and one things brought up that will probably never be explained. I don't even worry about it anymore. I just casually watch this show like any other for the small bit of enjoyment it gives for an hour and then forget about it. TPTB are laughing all the way to the bank at everyone's obsessing over this show and everyone who expects answers to all the questions brought up will be very disappointed. They will ignore most things that have been brought up because they don't have explainations and they don't care because the ratings are high and that's all that matters to them. They made that clear with the numbers.

RE: it further proved to him that the plane that he saw existed...

Am I messing up this but didnt boone think he saw shannon dead on a rock too?

Did the plane exist in real time or was it a part of Boones imagination(or lockes for that matter ) from a different time?

RE:...they made that clear with the numbers.

I agree that most minor occurances will probably fall by the wayside, it is a shame about the numbers but i cant even imagine a way to create a unified theory explaing the numbers(and apparently, niether can they).

Im not a big nitpicker, I just am looking back at the cool mysteries that I remember and trying to determine if they were sufficiently explained, or totally ignored.

RE: it further proved to him that the plane that he saw existed...

Am I messing up this but didnt boone think he saw shannon dead on a rock too?

Did the plane exist in real time or was it a part of Boones imagination(or lockes for that matter ) from a different time?

Yeah, you're confusing two different events/visions. Boone's vision of Shannon killed by the monster happened after Locke bashed him over the head and put some sort of a hallucinagenic (sp) balm on the wound. That was a journey of discovery that taught Boone that he could free himself from his step-sister's baggage. I don't think it was meant to foretell Shannon's death.

The "theresa falls up the stairs" dream/nightmare/vision was a completely separate event, seen by Locke, which told him that there was a plane on the island stuck in the jungle canopy and convinced him to go look for it. It also foreshadowed Boone's related fall and death.

OK so what started lockes vision? (and why would it have boone talking about something locke cant possibly of known)?

OK so what started lockes vision?

As I recall, it was as dream.

(and why would it have boone talking about something locke cant possibly of known)?

That's the mysterious part, yo. Creepy Twighlight Zone-type stuff. I really have no idea, but at the time, it reminded me of Claire's dreams right before she was abducted by the Others. I got the impression that the island can produce psychic-ESP phenomenon that might be manifest as dreams to the castaway's subconsciousness. But that's pure speculation, of course.

To me, Locke talking about Theresa is similar to Walt telling Locke not to open the hatch. In both cases, characters refer to things they don't know about.

TPTB are laughing all the way to the bank at everyone's obsessing over this show and everyone who expects answers to all the questions brought up will be very disappointed. They will ignore most things that have been brought up because they don't have explainations and they don't care because the ratings are high and that's all that matters to them. They made that clear with the numbers.

Actually, I heard ABC raised cain about the first season finale. They were concerned that little stunt (the ladder extending into the dark) would tick off so many viewers it would hurt ratings, and that resulted in our being introduced to Desmond and his '70s era apartment. I think TPTB have gotten the message, viewers will tune out in droves if they get stockpiled with questions and rationed with answers cut up in little bitty pieces. Like I said somewhere else, stretching out a mystery that long works great in five-a-week daytime TV but can be disastrous in prime time. Just look what happened to "Twin Peaks."

Yeah, and will that bit about the sacrifice every be explained. I think not. There's been a thousand and one things brought up that will probably never be explained.

Remember that it was Locke saying 'Boone was a sacrifice that the island demanded', not the island itself. It was just Locke's opinion, right or wrong, and this served to show us that Locke might be going a bit loopy and obsessive about the island's powers. Hence Jack saying to Kate (a little while later) 'I think we're gonna have a Locke problem'. The sacrifice comment helped create the build-up to the whole Jack (science) vs Locke (faith) conflict.

It doesn't necessarily have to be explained as a fact, as it was just Locke's belief that the island demanded a sacrifice...Then again, maybe he's right!

Like I said somewhere else, stretching out a mystery that long works great in five-a-week daytime TV but can be disastrous in prime time. Just look what happened to "Twin Peaks."
i dont think that Twin Peaks is a good example to your illustration. Twin Peaks worked
fine for the first season, and then slowly but surely jumped the shark. season two was
really out there. IMO. i think that the viewers for TP would have stayed around
had they not gone down such a bizarre confusing path. again that is my opinion.

i think LOST is doing a fine job with the handing out of clues and answers.
afterall this show is really about the characters and not so much about the mystery.

I have to disagree Halfrek, but then I'm sure that my opinion is in the minority here. I agree that they are trying to make this show about the characters and the mysteries are mostly for fun and that's why I don't take the unanswered questions too seriously, but this season has failed miserably, IMHO, with the character side of the show. You might as well call it the Anna-Lucia show, so far. I'm sure now that the two sides are together that we will see more of the orignal cast again but I, and my family, feel disconnected from the original storylines now because it's been so long since we have seen them. Take Kate and Jack, for instance. They started flirting again last episode but it felt so forced and uncomfortable to me because I can barely remember that they were supposed to be attracted to each other in the first place, let alone the fact they had no chemistry to begin with. By killing off some and bringing in new ones I can't connect with anyone now. There's too many people and not enough time spent on any of them, except AL and I can't stand her. So, I'm left with unanswered questions and no one to care for and that makes me not enjoy Lost anymore.

... but this season has failed miserably, IMHO, with the character side of the show. You might as well call it the Anna-Lucia show, so far. I'm sure now that the two sides are together that we will see more of the orignal cast again but I, and my family, feel disconnected from the original storylines now because it's been so long since we have seen them. Take Kate and Jack, for instance. They started flirting again last episode but it felt so forced and uncomfortable to me because I can barely remember that they were supposed to be attracted to each other in the first place, let alone the fact they had no chemistry to begin with. By killing off some and bringing in new ones I can't connect with anyone now. There's too many people and not enough time spent on any of them, except AL and I can't stand her. So, I'm left with unanswered questions and no one to care for and that makes me not enjoy Lost anymore.

i actually agree with most of your post. i am trying to be patient. i do not like Ana.
i have missed the original cast this season. i want to know more about the original
characters as i am most invested in them. the new characters have obscurred them.
i am hoping that in there somewhere this season we will find balance. i trust the writers
to make it worth my while and have a payoff for having to wait. the Jack/Kate issues.
dont get me started. :rolleyes: the only thing that has been worth it IMO has been
Rose and Bernard's reunion. and Jin and Sun's
spoiler fonted as this is in the S1 section.

i dont think that Twin Peaks is a good example to your illustration. Twin Peaks worked
fine for the first season, and then slowly but surely jumped the shark. season two was
really out there. IMO. i think that the viewers for TP would have stayed around
had they not gone down such a bizarre confusing path. again that is my opinion.

i think LOST is doing a fine job with the handing out of clues and answers.
afterall this show is really about the characters and not so much about the mystery.


Halfrek, just reading up on some threads and wanted to reply to your comments. I've been thinking about "Twin Peaks" for some time now. Your right, it was a good show on the first season, but after that, I didn't want to keep up with it. Everybody loves a good mystery. That's what has kept me and millions of viewers interested and bitting our nails (so to say) for the next episode. The writing is excellant and, with any luck they will get back to the fusies and on with the show. Sorry, I don't have a comment on the thread subject.

anyone else but me think we just might hear of Teresa again? not as a main character, but integrated in a bit role during one of the flashbacks. Maybe she babysat Walt before the family moved to Australia. Or came into Jack's hospital after the fall. The writers could certainly have fun with that.

Halfrek, just reading up on some threads and wanted to reply to your comments. I've been thinking about "Twin Peaks" for some time now. Your right, it was a good show on the first season, but after that, I didn't want to keep up with it. Everybody loves a good mystery. That's what has kept me and millions of viewers interested and bitting our nails (so to say) for the next episode. The writing is excellant and, with any luck they will get back to the fusies and on with the show. Sorry, I don't have a comment on the thread subject.

According to something I read (I believe that it was the David Foster Wallace essay on David Lynch) the writers of Twin Peaks (including Lynch) had no intentions or ideas for the series after they solved the mystery of the murder. They were literally writing most of the second season as they were filming it, and that really accounted more than anything else for the decline of the show. I think that the Lost team have learned the lesson that the mystery must continue, and that is a good thing in my book. People gripe all the time about wanting answers, but if the answers were all laid out in one episode, there would be no more show. On the other hand, there should be some plan in place to tie up the show in a nice way in case the show gets notice that they only have a couple more episodes until they get cancelled (which is always a real possibility). Some people out there might recall the mystery show 'Push, Nevada' that was on a few years ago. That was a show that was designed to only be 12 episodes long, but it was cancelled after only 8 (or so). Since the show was full of clues for a real-life treasure, the producers were obligated to literally lay out the remaining clues on a table and say 'there you go, its over'. It was a terrible thing to have to do, and noone ever learned how the mystery of the show was resolved. I would really hate to see something like that happen to Lost.

According to something I read (I believe that it was the David Foster Wallace essay on David Lynch) the writers of Twin Peaks (including Lynch) had no intentions or ideas for the series after they solved the mystery of the murder. They were literally writing most of the second season as they were filming it, and that really accounted more than anything else for the decline of the show. I think that the Lost team have learned the lesson that the mystery must continue, and that is a good thing in my book. People gripe all the time about wanting answers, but if the answers were all laid out in one episode, there would be no more show. On the other hand, there should be some plan in place to tie up the show in a nice way in case the show gets notice that they only have a couple more episodes until they get cancelled (which is always a real possibility). Some people out there might recall the mystery show 'Push, Nevada' that was on a few years ago. That was a show that was designed to only be 12 episodes long, but it was cancelled after only 8 (or so). Since the show was full of clues for a real-life treasure, the producers were obligated to literally lay out the remaining clues on a table and say 'there you go, its over'. It was a terrible thing to have to do, and noone ever learned how the mystery of the show was resolved. I would really hate to see something like that happen to Lost.

that happened to the tv show Angel. they were in the process of setting up the story arc for season 6 when they got word in Feb that it was over after S5. so the ending while adequate was not the ending that the fans wanted to see. it felt too rushed and open ended. no closure.

and dont get me started on Miracles. gah! that show only lasted 5 eppys before it was pulled and was brilliant with its set up/story arc. i need to get the DVDs. anyway. i agree that the writers/creators need a couple of contingency plans to make it in today's
TV market. one for if they are cancelled and one for if they are picked up for the next season. as far as Twin Peaks goes...yeah that S2 info makes a lot of sense.
they shoulda just said no and let it go as it was instead of trying to keep going. or been faster thinking on their feet before it was to awful to watch.

ISTR that Damon and Carlton have mentioned that they liked TP but will def. NOT be
making a similar mistake. they know where they are going.
of course that doesnt help that we now dont have Boone or Shannon to answer/explain
further the whole Teresa falls thing. :frown: i think that could have been interesting. ah well.

What if Theresa and Nanny Dagne knew each other? We might learn more about her through Walt's flashbacks. One can only hope.

Does anyone recall any other Nanny's being mentioned?

I definitely understand how you feel about this Teresa thing. When I first heard this story, I thought it was gonna be every important. But it is very weird that she was never brought up again. I hope that this story line some how gets resolved, because if it doesn't it may slowly drive me mad over many seasons. :mad:

What if Theresa and Nanny Dagne knew each other? We might learn more about her through Walt's flashbacks. One can only hope.


That would be interesting.

No...the truth was that Locke wanted to go find that plane he saw in the vision...Boone was the one that was bloody and battered in the vision talking about Theresa...it was predicting his own Death...Locke had to know that...that is why he said to Jack that Boone was a sacrifice the Island demanded.

I disagree with your last two sentences. I think that Locke said that Boone was a sacrifice the island demanded as his own way of rationalizing Boone's death. Believing that the island demanded it, made Boone's death meaningful, and significant, instead of simply a random, tragic accident. This sort of rationalization would make it easier for Locke to handle his death, as well as his own contribution to the situation that led to Boone's death.

As for Locke 'had to know that'--I don't believe he did. He saw the plane in the dream, but until they found it, didn't know for sure whether it was on the island or not. He saw his mother in the dream, who was not on the island (at least, as far as we know now... wouldn't that be weird?). In retrospect his mother's presence in the dream can be seen as a symbolic representation of betrayal. As far as Boone's bloody face, when Locke heard about Theresa, he could've thought that the blood on Boone's face represented his shame/guilt over Theresa's death. Dreams are highly symbolic, and unless Locke is a psychotherapist specializing in dreams, or has been a practicing psychic for years, I don't think we can expect him to have known for sure exactly what parts of his dream were symbolic and which were precognitive.

As far as the writers answering/not answering the mysteries on the island... I believe we'll be satisfied in due time. I'm not as patient as I'd like to be, I want to know what the monster is, where the cable across the sand comes from and goes to, what pushing the button does, etc., and I think we're going to find out in dribs and drabs here and there. We found out what lay beneath the hatch, we found out the origin of Hurley's numbers, we now know 'what Kate did' and:

This season we've seen what happened to the tail section people, found Bernard, saw another bunker, very quickly found out what was significant about the Bible found in the other bunker, got another piece to the film. And I heard we're supposed to find out what caused the plane to crash this season.

With the time constraints posed by advancing the island story along, while advancing the characters' pasts along, I don't think they've done too badly answering some of the questions that have come up.

The fact that Locke did not give Jack accurate information about Boone's accident and then left to never return makes me think he believed Boone had to be a sacrifice for the island in some way before he died rather than after. Also, Locke cried at the hatch wanting to know why it did this to "him" not Boone. Very selfish act. Also, when Locke walked around for days with the bloody shirt and then talked to Shannon with it still on makes me also think he didn't really care about Boone but was just using him. I don't think he necessarily thought Boone would die but just that he needed to be used in some way for Locke to gain access to the hatch. Does this make sense?

The fact that Locke did not give Jack accurate information about Boone's accident and then left to never return makes me think he believed Boone had to be a sacrifice for the island in some way before he died rather than after. Also, Locke cried at the hatch wanting to know why it did this to "him" not Boone. Very selfish act. Also, when Locke walked around for days with the bloody shirt and then talked to Shannon with it still on makes me also think he didn't really care about Boone but was just using him. I don't think he necessarily thought Boone would die but just that he needed to be used in some way for Locke to gain access to the hatch. Does this make sense?

I see your point, it does make sense, but I have a different viewpoint on that. I think that Locke was still trying to keep the hatch secret. Even when he took Sayid out to see where the plane fell, he tried to pass off Boone's hatch comment as the front or back hatch on the plane. Over the course of a couple of episodes he'd made the comment (in regards to Shannon and the others) that they weren't ready to hear about the hatch yet.

And when he was crying at the hatch the only thing he said was, "I've done everything you wanted me to do. So why did you do this? Why?" Given the nature of his flashback (the kidney theft), and the fact that Locke, in essence, perpetrated a similar type of betrayal to Boone (a son-like figure), albeit unknowingly--IMO, I think his emotions got all mixed up with both situations.

As far as him not changing clothes, I can see why that would happen too. When my husband died at the end of '99 I don't think I changed clothes for three days. It was just an unexpected death, and my life had changed radically in an instant. I had to continually remind myself to get up, brush my teeth and hair, get dressed, etc. If I hadn't had my son to take care of, I probably would've spent weeks lying about in bed, not eating, not socializing, etc. Everyone handles death differently. It was several weeks before I could go through a day w/o having every train of thought interrupted by thoughts of my husband.

I agree that he shouldn't have lied about the nature of Boone's accident. He could've at least told Jack. But I know from personal experience that logical thought gets completely derailed when someone close to you dies.

I agree with what you're saying about not wanting to tell anyone about the hatch and that probably played into why he did the things he did but once they secret was out it was no big deal that everyone knew so what was the big deal in the first place about keeping it secret. Boone died for that secret that everyone knows about now and it didn't make any difference that the secret it out. Also, I don't think Locke cared about Boone that much. He barely knew him and did not think of him as a son or even a friend so I don't think he was traumatized. He certainly isn't upset anymore and it's only been a few days. Shannon's the only one who showed grief for Boone.

I definitely understand how you feel about this Teresa thing. When I first heard this story, I thought it was gonna be every important. But it is very weird that she was never brought up again. I hope that this story line some how gets resolved, because if it doesn't it may slowly drive me mad over many seasons. :mad:

I think it was a device to establish that Boone had something "bad" in his past related to death and/or killing. Jack, Sawyer, Jin, Kate and Boone all have violence and/or death in their past. All of the characters seem to have something "dark" in their past which relates to Goodwin's statement about "taking the good ones" and thus leaving the "bad" ones.