:alien: MIND CONTROL By The Dharma Initiative Project :alien:

This theory draws on Wootty's "B.F Skinner Analysis, Language Acquisition & Remote Viewing", "Remote Viewing Analysis" and "The Electromagnetism Jigsaw" theories,
Sam G's "Juice, the theory", and outlines the methods used to populate Hanso's seed utopian society, research experiments subjects, and supporting staff.

It presumes that the Lostaways and other persons are unwilling subjects and targets
in a B.F. Skinner style psychological experiment in support of the primary mission to develop a utopian society and to achieve eternal life extension for the elite upper echelon officials.

This subproject was designed to supply seed personnel for all of The Hanso Foundation projects listed on their web site. This personnel includes but is not limited to the breeders needed to supply the utopian society propogation and the research experiment subjects, along with supporting staff.

The infamous numbers "4 8 15 16 23 42" are coordinates to the exact location of the Island shown on this map http://www.tvfans.se/media/4815162342.jpg
which the Oceanic flight 815 apparently crash-landed upon. The coordinates are encrypted and placed into inanimate objects, living flora, mammal life forms, and into the deep subconscious of the passengers via hypnotic auto-suggestion.

All of the passengers were either brainwashed or hypnotized with the suggestion to make sure they arrived at the Sydney Airport and boarded Oceanic flight 815 on time. Most of the passengers were also either given their plane tickets or manipulated via auto-suggestion to acquire their plane tickets in advance. The tickets were round-trip tickets in order to not arouse suspicion amongst the passengers.

The plane was either brought down safely via an unknown process, or the plane crash was staged, and the surviving passengers laid out in the locations designated for various reasons. The nature of each passenger's injuries was pre-planned and the injuries fabricated thru artificial traumatic procedures. The passengers were also hypnotized to lose consciousness when the plane lost altitude and were given the suggestion to awaken after a designated amount of time that was long enough to safely land the plane and arrange the passengers into their "post-crash" positions.

The passengers, hereafter referred to as targets, were each assigned a "sponsor",
a person who would be in charge of the escort and/or manipulation of the passenger. The sponsor is responsible for placing the trigger objects (which contain the encrypted coordinates of the Island and/or other special codes) in the appropriate locations at the designated time, and initiating the sequence of trigger events to carry out The Plan of seeding the Island with the Dharma Initiative initial societal members.

The following is a list of passengers, along with their sponsor's name or description, and the trigger object(s) required:

TARGET -------------------- SPONSOR ----------------- TRIGGER OBJECT
Jack Shepherd------------- Mrs. Shepherd ------------ coffin, framed photograph of Desmond
-----------------------------------his mother ------------------- with unidentified woman
-----------------------------------------------------------------------airline liquor bottle
Vincent ---------------------- Walt --------------------------- collar and leash
---(genetically modified canine)
Kate Austen --------------- Mars, the marshall ------- handcuffs, orange juice
Mars, the ------------------------------------------------------- guns and gun case, handcuffs key
marshall
Hurley ----------------------- Hugo's mother -------------- lottery ticket
Sun Kwon ------------------ Mr. Paik ---------------------- orchid flower, genetically modified -------------------------------------- her father ---------------------------flora specimen
---------------------------------- Jin
Jin ----------------------------- Mr. Paik ---------------------- watch
Michael ---------------------- Brian --------------------------- orange T-shirt
Walt -------------------------- Vincent ------------------------ Spanish comic book
--------------------------------- (genetically modified canine)
Rose ------------------------- Bernard ------------------------- Bernard's wedding ring
Charlie ----------------------- Liam ----------------------------- Driveshaft ring
Claire ------------------------- the psychic ------------------- unborn baby (genetically modified ------------------------------------- Claire's friend ---------------------- and artifically inseminated)
Shannon --------------------- Boone -------------------------- nail polish, technical magazine
Boone ------------------------ Shannon ----------------------- cell phone
John Locke ----------------- Helen --------------------------- wheelchair
Ana-Lucia ------------------- Eko ----------------------------- leather jacket
Sayid ------------------------- CIA ------------------------------ letter from Nadia, photos

The following are the trigger events that ensured each passenger boarded the plane:

TARGET ---- TRIGGER EVENT/CIRCUMSTANCES

Jack ---------- airline personnel broke procedure to load coffin onto plane
Kate ----------- marshall escort with handcuffs
marshall ------ telephone call from headquarters
Hurley --------- airline personnel broke procedure to allow boarding after flight deck was ----supposed to be secured
Sun ------------ wasn't planning to board, but Jin manipulated her romantically and gave -----her the genetically modified orchid at the airport
Jin -------------- was wearing the watch
Michael ------- telephone call from Brian, wearing orange T-shirt
Walt ----------- Michael escorted him, comic book
Vincent ------- wearing collar and leash, escorted in crate by Michael/Walt
Rose ----------- wearing Bernard's ring on necklace, escorted by Bernard
Bernard ------- escorted by Rose
Claire ---------- ride from friend, still impregnated with unborn baby
Shannon ------ technical magazine in carry-on luggage, escorted by Boone
Boone --------- escorted by Shannon
Locke ---------- wheelchair loaded into passenger cabin storage
Ana-Lucia ---- alcohol administered from airport bartender, genetically modified
Sayid ---------- escorted by CIA, letter and photos in carry-on luggage

All of the beverages except the orange juice on the aircraft was encrypted
with the coordinates and dosed with safe but effective level of sedative.
The orange juice on the aircraft was encrypted with the coordinates but
was free of sedative, to be used by the willing accomplices.

All of the subjects were also given the auto-suggestion of a special phrase
which when heard backwards, will cause their death by apparent accident,
murder or natural causes. This is to ensure the secrecy of the project and
to protect the privacy, freedom and security of the elite upper echelon foundation
officials. Only Dharma personnel with the upper level security will have access to
this special phrase.

The official procedures and policies for continuation of The Project is to be
outlined and documented in a supporting volume.

OK tear it apart, please!:biggrin: sorry, I couldn't get the columns to space properly.

ETA: some rephrasing...fixed the columns.

Great write-up..!

Just a few questions (to get you thinking ;))...

Do you think the people who brainwashed by members of the Dharma Initiative... and do you think it was a random picking process?

For example... the psychic who told Claire to get on the plane, was he told to go after Claire specifically, or he just chose her then maniupated her to get on the Island... and is he working for the Dharma Initiative?

How do you suspect the flight was landed safely? Do you think the pilots may have been 'in on' the plan..?

I still think, like your theory, that the co-ordinates will play a major part as each characters had occurances of these number plied into them... and I suspect we will see this even more in the flashbacks.

Do you think the people who brainwashed by members of the Dharma Initiative... and do you think it was a random picking process?

Oooooh, this is fun. I think that it depends on the purpose of each person in The Plan.
There is mind control going on even in the higher echelon (except for the very top). Alvar Hanso is quite motivated and determined for his plan to work, and the only way to implement it and achieve his goals is to make sure that everyone complies and follows the plan.

For example... the psychic who told Claire to get on the plane, was he told to go after Claire specifically, or he just chose her then maniupated her to get on the Island... and is he working for the Dharma Initiative?
I think the breeders (or their characteristics) are chosen by the higher echelon. In Claire's case, she's blonde, blue-eyed, pale skin, beautiful and reasonably intelligent.
The psychic was chosen to attract and manipulate the subjects that are vulnerable to being drawn in by their hope for insight into future events in their life.

The maintenance staff could be picked by the "recruiters"...the scientific staff would
have more stringent criteria.

How do you suspect the flight was landed safely? Do you think the pilots may have been 'in on' the plan..?
If there was a crash, yes.

I wrote the spec without deciding whether there was a plane crash. I am leaning in the direction of a staged crash, with artificially-induced traumatic injuries.

I still think, like your theory, that the co-ordinates will play a major part as each characters had occurances of these number plied into them... and I suspect we will see this even more in the flashbacks
Thanks, Wootty...obviously I was inspired by the specs you wrote and it really got me
thinking. I just don't see how there cannot be Mind Control involved. I am going to
write up a separate thread that's related to this one.

And thanks, Wooty, for your assistance with the columnization of the detailed items. I'll incorporate it asap.

Checking in and have to come back to read.

I am still working on this theory as time allows, and appreciate any ideas that come to mind. Thanks, Wootty and Sam "Juice". :biggrin:

Sorry not buying it. But at least you are thinking. And that is the greatest gift of all.
luvppskull

Sorry not buying it. But at least you are thinking. And that is the greatest gift of all.
luvppskull
That's OK, thanks for reading and taking the time to reply. :) I was in a "The Manchurian Candidate" mood when I started writing it. And it still appeals to me in light of the interconnections between the 815 passengers (most unknowingly so far), and the desire to find a reason for them all being on the plane and ending up on the Island. And who knows, it may inspire you (or someone else) to come up with the ultimate answer.:biggrin:

From the beginning the numbers always seemed latitude and longitude to me, it was a matter of putting the breaks in the correct spot. I like the idea of items triggering certain memories. TR you wrote this before some of the new things happened on the Island. Like the octagonal metal box that is on the shelve in Wayne's house, now shows up on the cofffee table in the hatch.

On "Juice" I was wondering about what Kate could have been telling the Marshal in the phone calls to his house. He believed her at one time, I'm almost sure of it.

When Sawyer tried to strangle Kate, it seems, he is channeling Wayne. The Marshal tried to strangle Kate, in almost the same way, he didn't say anything and at the time we didn't know about Wayne. Was the Marshal also channeling Wayne? Could Wayne have tried to kill Kate on more than one occasion? We know what Kate said to Sawyer but we just don't know all of the story yet.

I like your train of thought TabbyRasa. It does go way out there as I'm sure the creators of our lovely LOST series had fun going there as well. It's just that I/we're not sure how long (years) they have taken to put this whole concept and story together including fake websites and such. I'll sit back and read thru your post again and get back with you on my thoughts. I do want to say I'm still very curious about the psychic and his motives. Juice huh? hum, why not?

I think Kate's object would be the toy airplane. The orange juice would have just been the thing that kept her awake by simply remaining regular orange juice right?

I'm not totally buying this either but it's because there's something missing. I can't figure it out just yet but it's on the tip of my tongue.
The Manchurian Candidate idea is plausible.

How are the numbers imbeded in things like a flower?

How are the numbers imbeded in things like a flower?

Have you read "The Hidden Messages in Water"? The author, Masaru Emoto, did not use double-blind studies, therefore the results could be considered suspect. Emoto wrote words on paper (such as "Love and Gratitude" and You Make Me Sick") and affixed them to containers of water. When crystalized, the structure of the water with the positive message was beautiful. The other not (NOTE: very simplified explanation).
http://www.hado.net/indigo_water.html Check out this link--it's definitely worth the read.

It should also be noted that Emoto sells "Indigo" water, hexagonally structured water. In order to produce it, scalar electromagnetic waves are used.

If this type of thing is of interest, you might also want to rent the movie "What the Bleep Do We Know" which is an interesting look at the theme we all create our own reality--through quantum physics. I prefer Emoto's book, as the movie has a bit too much fluff for the topic (IMHO), but both are quite interesting....

Have you read "The Hidden Messages in Water"? The author, Masaru Emoto, did not use double-blind studies, therefore the results could be considered suspect. Emoto wrote words on paper (such as "Love and Gratitude" and You Make Me Sick") and affixed them to containers of water. When crystalized, the structure of the water with the positive message was beautiful. The other not (NOTE: very simplified explanation).
http://www.hado.net/indigo_water.html Check out this link--it's definitely worth the read.

It should also be noted that Emoto sells "Indigo" water, hexagonally structured water. In order to produce it, scalar electromagnetic waves are used.

If this type of thing is of interest, you might also want to rent the movie "What the Bleep Do We Know" which is an interesting look at the theme we all create our own reality--through quantum physics. I prefer Emoto's book, as the movie has a bit too much fluff for the topic (IMHO), but both are quite interesting....

beagle that is very interesting. My own Dr. has me drinking various waters for my health and I can't tell you when was the last time I drank tap water. Also that my own personal health has vastly improved. The hexagon shape of the "crystals" are impressive. I really like this website. Thank you. So, there is an overwhelming possibility our Losties have been subjected to these forms of suggestion.

maybe going a bit off topic here, but i'll try anyway :D

Water is not only H2O, there are all sorts of stuff (like minerals, metals, etc) which give each "water" some specific properties
We already know that since spring waters do not taste the same.
Water is used to cure and some towns thrived on their hot springs

can we modify water the way nature does (filtering it over years and years) with radiations, well maybe (although i tend to believe that those "hexagonal water" sellers have found a way to make money out of thin air :D )

Still eveything is Maths (I've often talked about the Golden Number / Golden Ratio which is found everywhere in Nature, Arts, Space, and even the Human body)
So basically, numbers are encoded in everything (at least the Golden Number)
What if the Lost numbers were a new Golden Number, a way to rearrange things on a brand new level ?
If you could radically change the nature of things, and create them from a brand new basis, life would no longer respond to our criterias, but to the new ones

Genetics for example
One of the possibilities offered by Genetic Engineering would be to be able to alter someone's genome (in utero or in vitro) to alter genes responsible for diseases
Eugenics would also enable people to choose their baby's eye color, tone of skin, hair color, etc etc

Who we are is encrypted inside those genes.

Same things go for everything ( i mean natural things) such as plants and minerals
the cristalline structure of minerals (it's also true for drugs) obey a certain pattern

If you were able to change the way crystals grow, by giving them new "laws", you would then encrypt a new "entity", pretty much like you would encrypt a cancer resistant gene in someone's genome

I'm not discussing wether it's possible or not :)

plants growth respond to PHI (golden number) which is equal to 1.6180339887... and to the Fibonnacci numbers
now try to imagine if what brought people on the island (the triggers in Tabby Rasa's list) were not created under a PHI/Fibo law, but under a 4 8 15 16 23 42 law

maybe going a bit off topic here, but i'll try anyway :D

No tarf, I'm not following you around the board tonight, just seems that way. :biggrin:


Water is not only H2O, there are all sorts of stuff (like minerals, metals, etc) which give each "water" some specific properties
We already know that since spring waters do not taste the same.
Water is used to cure and some towns thrived on their hot springs


A great deal of those minerals and stuff are found,as you say, in "hot springs". Not far from where I am in E. Tennessee, going into North Carolina, is a great little town call Hot Springs, NC. We go there often and their water is free. We just take our own water jungs. Pretty awesome.


Still eveything is Maths (I've often talked about the Golden Number / Golden Ratio which is found everywhere in Nature, Arts, Space, and even the Human body)
So basically, numbers are encoded in everything (at least the Golden Number)
What if the Lost numbers were a new Golden Number, a way to rearrange things on a brand new level ?


I'm sorry, could you tell me what the golden number is? In a way I could understand it?


If you could radically change the nature of things, and create them from a brand new basis, life would no longer respond to our criterias, but to the new ones


Not so far fetched tarf, not at all. It's beyond a brave new world.



Genetics for example
One of the possibilities offered by Genetic Engineering would be to be able to alter someone's genome (in utero or in vitro) to alter genes responsible for diseases
Eugenics would also enable people to choose their baby's eye color, tone of skin, hair color, etc etc


Aren't scientist working on this already. I know in a few years it sould be perfected by then. You can even choose the color of your childs eyes, and eliminate future disease genes.



plants growth respond to PHI (golden number) which is equal to 1.6180339887... and to the Fibonnacci numbers
now try to imagine if what brought people on the island (the triggers in Tabby Rasa's list) were not created under a PHI/Fibo law, but under a 4 8 15 16 23 42 law


layman's language please. Not being that educated in science, but I can understand if you would care to endulge me.

Someone on lost-tv posted a link to a very interesting article about Project Monarch that struck me as relevant here. The article mentions that mystical groups used ritual to control initiates:
The Mystery Religions of ancient Egypt, Greece, India and Babylon helped lay the foundation for occultism, meaning “hidden knowledge.” One of the earliest writings giving reference to occultism is the Egyptian Book of the Dead, a compilation of rituals explicitly describing methods of torture and intimidation (to create trauma), the use of potions (drugs) and the casting of spells (hypnotism), ultimately resulting in the total enslavement of the initiate.
Lacenaire has noted before (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=25175) the parallels between the Island and Amenti, the Eygyptian Land of the Dead, and now we have heiroglyphics in the Hatch, possibly referring to death. What if these are mental triggers designed to ensure compliance by occupants of the Hatch?

PS: Here's another interesting tidbit from the article re mental triggers:
Alters and Triggers
Another way of examining this convoluted victimization of body and soul is by looking at it as a complex computer program: A file (alter) is created through trauma, repetition and reinforcement. In order to activate (trigger) the file, a specific access code or password (cue or command) is required. The victim/survivor is called a “slave” by the programmer/handler, who in turn is perceived as “master” or “god.” About 75% are female, since they possess a higher tolerance for pain and tend to dissociate easier than males. Subjects are used mainly for cover operations, prostitution and pornography; involvement in the entertainment industry is notable. A former military officer connected to the DIA, told this writer, “In the ‘big picture’ these people [MONARCH victims] are in all walks of life, from the bum on the street to the white-collar guy”. In corroboration, a retired CIA agent vaguely discussed the use of such personnel to be used as “plants” or “chameleons” for the purpose of infiltrating a designated group, gathering information and/or injecting an ulterior agenda.
There are an inordinate amount of alters in the victim/survivor with numerous back-up programs, mirrors and shadows. A division of light-side (good) and dark-side (bad) alters are interwoven in the mind and rotate on an axis.
What if our losties (or their parents) were all conditioned (or genetically engineered) to obey the numbers?

maybe going a bit off topic here, but i'll try anyway :D

Water is not only H2O, there are all sorts of stuff (like minerals, metals, etc) which give each "water" some specific properties
We already know that since spring waters do not taste the same.
Water is used to cure and some towns thrived on their hot springs

can we modify water the way nature does (filtering it over years and years) with radiations, well maybe (although i tend to believe that those "hexagonal water" sellers have found a way to make money out of thin air :D )

Still eveything is Maths (I've often talked about the Golden Number / Golden Ratio which is found everywhere in Nature, Arts, Space, and even the Human body)
So basically, numbers are encoded in everything (at least the Golden Number)
What if the Lost numbers were a new Golden Number, a way to rearrange things on a brand new level ?
If you could radically change the nature of things, and create them from a brand new basis, life would no longer respond to our criterias, but to the new ones

Genetics for example
One of the possibilities offered by Genetic Engineering would be to be able to alter someone's genome (in utero or in vitro) to alter genes responsible for diseases
Eugenics would also enable people to choose their baby's eye color, tone of skin, hair color, etc etc

Who we are is encrypted inside those genes.

Same things go for everything ( i mean natural things) such as plants and minerals
the cristalline structure of minerals (it's also true for drugs) obey a certain pattern

If you were able to change the way crystals grow, by giving them new "laws", you would then encrypt a new "entity", pretty much like you would encrypt a cancer resistant gene in someone's genome

I'm not discussing wether it's possible or not :)

plants growth respond to PHI (golden number) which is equal to 1.6180339887... and to the Fibonnacci numbers
now try to imagine if what brought people on the island (the triggers in Tabby Rasa's list) were not created under a PHI/Fibo law, but under a 4 8 15 16 23 42 law Maybe this has something to with the product 'branding placements' "If you could radically change the nature of things, and create them from a brand new basis, life would no longer respond to our criterias, but to the new ones " (7 yr shelf life for dressing)
In ML Claire says the water tastes funny and Ethan says he didn't notice. So is that because it is drugged/or because each group is drinking different (chemically) water?

Thanks, tarf, bigmouth, coupons...more food for thought!

shootfire posted about hypnosis and triggers over on the N.E.R.D. thread (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=40934&page=4)...and it fits right in with what I was thinking when I started this thread. If the Losties are being manipulated and their minds are being experimented on and/or controlled...the big question is why?