So, what did everyone think?
Was Wayne "possessing" Sawyer?
Does this mean that there is no hope for a Kate/Sawyer relationship? :frown:
Does Sawyer love Kate?

Was Wayne "possessing" Sawyer?
--- No, I don't think so. I'm not entirely sure what happened, but I don't think possession was involved.

Does this mean that there is no hope for a Kate/Sawyer relationship?
-- No, clearly there is hope. I'm not sure if I am happy or sad about this. I've never really swung either way on the Jack-Sawyer-Kate triangle. Last week, I thought the end Kate/Sawyer thing was plain mushy and ugg-worthy. I liked them this week a lot better. In fact, I liked them a lot. I may even support them. I don't know. I liked Jack and Ana Lucia, though. Their scene was very sweet.
Does Sawyer love Kate?
-- Hmm.... does he love anyone? Personally, I think he Jack and Kate are all very self-involved. I liked that about them. However, I think it really hinders their abilites to truly love anyone. Yet. They are all growing. I think they have a nice relationship, a nice connection, but whether that should or will equate romance I am uncertain of.

I don't know about spirit possession.:undecide:

I still think there is hope for Kate and Sawyer, because Sawyer is just a persona adopted by James Ford and the longer Sawyer is on the island ,the more we will see of James.

I don't know ,if Sawyer loves Kate. I didn't think Sayid loved Shannon.
Sawyer could have been talking about someone else or maybe he was being possessed by a different spirit.:laughing:

I still think there is hope for Kate and Sawyer, because Sawyer is just a persona adopted by James Ford and the longer Sawyer is on the island ,the more we will see of James.

i completely agree. there's definitely hope for kate/sawyer.:smile:

Hey, it's the Island. Anything is possible.
I definatley heard Sawyer say "why did you kill me" b/4 grabbing Ms. Kates thoat. ~interesting that the Marshal also tried to grab her throat when he was delerious~
Much more here than meets the eye!

Well, I believe it was Wayne being channeled through Sawyer. First he asked Kate, "Why did you kill me?" Then he said, "I love you" as if Wayne didn't understand why Kate did that to him. Sawyer was in a coma at the time he said these things. He was NOT conscious. Of course, Jack thought it was Sawyer saying he loved Kate & it got to him. The jealousy was obvious.

Then Kate asks Sayid if he believed in ghosts. It's because she knew that it was Wayne coming through Sawyer.

I don't know why this was so confusing for so many.

Sawyer wasn't in a coma...he was sick and out of it...sleeping...but not in a full fledged coma. It's not clear cut.

Here's what I think:

I think he said "I love her"...and he MAY have meant Kate, but he doesn't know that he loves her on a conscious level yet...if he in fact does.

I think he DID try to strangle her. I think he was out of it, and he was hallucinating...fighting back against something. And I think in that moment Kate freaked, and she imagined him saying "why did you kill me?"

I think the Marshal was possessing Sawyer at the beginning of the episode when "Sawyer" spoke to Jack. The first thing he said was "where is she," ironically the first thing the Marshal said to Jack when he was unconscious and Jack was treating him. And we know that the Marshal and Kate had a thing together because in epi 3 he said to Jack "she got to you too didn't she?" Maybe the Marshal loved Kate and since we know he's dead, he could have been the spirit that spoke to Jack and the one that grabbed Kate by the throat.

Honestly, I don't think that Sawyer can truly love Kate at this point. I don't really know how to justify this point right now. I'm just going off of a feeling. But I do think that Jack is in love with Kate. They've had undeniable chemistry since day one, but neither one of them thinks that they deserve the other. To them, the other represents a chance at happiness and for whatever reason, they don't think they deserve happiness. It will be interesting to see this story line unfold.

I think the Marshal was possessing Sawyer at the beginning of the episode when "Sawyer" spoke to Jack. The first thing he said was "where is she," ironically the first thing the Marshal said to Jack when he was unconscious and Jack was treating him. And we know that the Marshal and Kate had a thing together because in epi 3 he said to Jack "she got to you too didn't she?" Maybe the Marshal loved Kate and since we know he's dead, he could have been the spirit that spoke to Jack and the one that grabbed Kate by the throat.

Excellent memory. I could see this being true, because your the only one who I've seen post it, and Lost always comes out of left field like this.

Queen Elessar, if Sawyer was meaning Kate, your explanation makes a lot of sense.

hmmm. I've always thought the Marshall fell in love with Kate, only to realize that
she was just 'playing' him in order to escape. That's why he was so emotionally
involved by the time the crash occurred.

I'm not sure I believe that anyone can occupy someone else... but I think that Kate
may have hallucinated that either the marshall or Wayne was being channelled.

It freaked her out enough to leave the hatch with the numbers not entered, and to
leave Sawyer face down on the floor!

hmmm. I've always thought the Marshall fell in love with Kate, only to realize that
she was just 'playing' him in order to escape. That's why he was so emotionally
involved by the time the crash occurred.

I really like this theory! Strikes me a very plausible.

I'm not sure I believe that anyone can occupy someone else... but I think that Kate
may have hallucinated that either the marshall or Wayne was being channelled.


I don't believe that 70 people could survive a plane crash, and find a polar bear on a tropical island. Just because it couldn't happen in real life doesn't mean that it can't happen on the show (I happen to believe in possession, but that's just me).

There was no possesion....

Sawyer could have been dreaming about the other sawyer, Kate just made what he said about her and what she was thinking about at that time (probably b/c she just saw the horse).

Same thing with Jack. Who knows who Sawyer was talking about...Jack just assumed it was Kate b/c he is jealous.

When Sawyer first started saying things to Jack, I thought to myself that something didn't seem right. Then when Sawyer started mumbling to Kate and opened his eyes, grabbed her throat and said, "Why did you kill me?!" it struck me as odd. I immediately thought that Sawyer wasn't saying that, that it sounded like something Wayne could possibly say. Then, Kate asked Sayid about ghosts and that confirmed my thoughts that Wayne was talking through Sawyer.

I'm really not sure if that's what I think really happened or not. I haven't convinced myself that Wayne truly did talk through Sawyer but I wouldn't rule it out. Stanger things have happened on the island.

i agree that we see what we want to see -- the thing about the show is that all these 'unrealistic' aspects -- even the survival from the crash itself although unlikely, wasn't impossible -- all have very grounded explanations in the end. all the weird animals we see on the island make sense because of the dharma initiative's zoology studies. i think a more concrete explanation for what sawyer said is more likely than that he was being possessed**. although i don't think the writers will ever come clear on that.

still, as far as the horse thing, i wish the writers had conceived of the idea a few episodes back and maybe had another character see a horse and be like, wtf?? and just leave it unexplained until they came back to it last night.

overall, excellent episode, still got me thinking about it the next day...

**although, i'm just spitballing, but if ghosts (and possession) were to exist on the island, maybe they only exist for people who were on the island at some point: walt, jack's dad, the marshall...

I think when Sawyer was talking to Jack, he was coherent enough to mean what he said. He wanted to know where she was. Jack asked "you mean Kate?" and Sawyer confirmed. Sawyer said he loved her and he was talking about Kate. I'm sure he wouldn't have said this if he wasn't so uninhibited, and probably doesn't remember saying it. But we were meant to hear it as was Jack. We now know that both Kate and Sawyer have feelings for each other (if it wasn't obvious already) and Jack knows it, too, thus his chopping wood and conversation with AL. Kate wants to feel something for the good guy who reminds her of her good dad, but feels something for Sawyer who reminds her of her bad dad. And the horse set her free...

The whole Marshal possessing Sawyer thing seems sort of odd because immediately after the scene they flashback to Kate blowing up Wayne.. or am I mistaken... I'm not sure but it seems like right after Sawyer asks "Why did you kill me" aka why did you kill Sawyer? It almost makes it seem like there is a link between Sawyer and Wayne that hasn't become clear yet? This is a stretch but maybe Sawyer = Wayne? Any ideas?

Using TV logic, I think Wayne was channeled thru Sawyer because the writers had Sayid talk about seeing Walt in the woods as an equivalent event. Both are unlikely events, perhaps impossible, but the way these scenes were written seems to me to point directly to the likelihood of weird ghosty things happening as sort-of-regular occurrences on this island.

So, what did everyone think?
Was Wayne "possessing" Sawyer?
Does this mean that there is no hope for a Kate/Sawyer relationship? :frown:
Does Sawyer love Kate?
Great questions and I don't know about any of the answers but I just have to say this: Josh Holloway as Sawyer is brilliant and HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean, yes, he is tragic and dramatic and deep and all that great stuff, too, yes...oh, and sexy as heck, of course, but the thing that has really roped me in about Sawyer is how absolutely hilarious he is. He just IS!!!!!!!!!!! I mean, in last night's episode alone, he had me on the floor several times, practically needing medical attention, I was laughing so hard.

"Who the hell is Wayne?"
"You mean the big-a$$ed horse standing right in front of us? Yeah, I see it."
"Am I in a bunk bed?"
"Well, that's the sweetest thing I ever heard"

omg, omg, omg! And I loved how, when he said a priceless Sawyer gem immediately upon waking up in a non-feverish state, Kate immediately recognized that it was indeed Sawyer at that point for sure and not Wayne precisely because of the aforementioned sarcastic, hilarious sense of humor! There is only one Sawyer and Kate recognized him immediately!

As to tackling one of your Q's, was it Wayne or Sawyer who grabbed Kate's arm and said "You killed me! Why did you kill me?", I don't know. Could have been just a feverish Sawyer, thinking about and reliving any number of traumatic events in his own past. Or, I'm open to the possibility that Wayne could have popped in to have his say. Either way, I'm just glad we have our Sawyer back, as last night I thoroughly enjoyed him, bad hair day and all *LOL*!!!!!

Personally, I think the key to understanding the whole incedent is in what Hurley said to Jack about transference.

Remember Kate said to Sawyer something like everytime I think I feel something for Sawyer......Anywho, perhaps that's were the transference comes into play. I don't think Sawyer was possessed/channeling Wayne. I think Kate got caught up in her feelings about Sawyer and coupling that with fatigue (and guilt perhaps ) she imagined Sawyer as Wayne.

The island seems to have a way of drudging up the past and making them face thier demons.

Diane

i dont think he was possessed (is that really how you spell that, posessed?) i think the answer is in what kate said. everytime she feels something for sawyer its because of wayne. its interesting also that when jack saw weird ghostly stuff, he also hadnt slept in awhile.
so i think the whole wayne ghost thing was mostly in her head, seeing sawyer like that brought up feelings for him, she thought of wayne
she saw the black horse, it reminded her of wayne
she hadnt slept
shannons murder may have brought up memorys in her head also

I liked the Kate/Sawyer and Jack/Anna interractions. Kate and Sawyer just have so much chemistry that it blows everything else out of the water. Anna is tolerable with Jack. I can't see Anna with Sawyer or Sayid, but I DO see her with Jack. He seems to bring out the likeable side out of her.