Maybe I completely missed this, but I just went back on my DVR to watch/pause it again and still didnt see anything - What is on the filmstrip in the book that Locke gets so astonished over??

I think that Locke realized that it wasn't the complete reel....that there are still missing pieces out there, somewhere. At least that's the feeling I got

The fact that whatever the incident was the computer is related to it. And Locke is vindicated over the button.

He sees it has Marvin Candle in it. Meaning, it's part of the same film that was in the hatch. So, he must be wondering: How the heck did you get your hands on this missing piece?

To me it was simply the missing piece. Someone mentioned the cuts and he said he assumed it was just how it was cutting scene to scene. When he sees this he realizes the tape they saw was NOT complete, and that there was more.

yeah great "coincidence" that eko kept that book (don't worry, not confusing it with "fate") but it makes me wonder if the film is still not fully complete.. i mean, there are other stations.. and who knows who (Walt?) Mike was talking to, I mean, assuming that the person on the other end is also on the island...

Maybe there are other pieces to this dharma movie puzzle in the other potential hatches...


oh and Mike should so take the horse to go find Walt, he'll cover more ground faster that way haha

Then how does that explain why they zoomed in on Marvin's face? I think there may be something hidden in that strip that surprises Locke.

I'm going to throw this out there too, since you mentioned that maybe Locke's surprised look was kinda a way of telling Eko "How did you find this?" I am beginning to think maybe Eko has been on the island previously, and somehow was sent back there again. Any thoughts on this? Agree? Disagree?

I disagree. But who knows.

I rewound it on my DVR just to see it again, to see if there was anything to see. But there is nothing else there but a light. The zoom was to show it was more of the same I would think.

definitely not coincidence he kept the bible... he did leaf through the pages, no?

I think you're fishing if you think there was something "hidden"... the shock from Locke and the zoom in on the film was to say, "Hey... here is a piece of the orientation video... why is it hidden in a bible somewhere else on the island instead of in THIS hatch where it belongs??"

We need to stop expecting there to be hidden stuff in EVERYTHING... there ARE hidden things... but pretty soon we're going to be seeing Dharma symbols in our freakin' Cheerios... relaaaaaaaaaaaax. :)

definitely not coincidence he kept the bible... he did leaf through the pages, no?

I think you're fishing if you think there was something "hidden"... the shock from Locke and the zoom in on the film was to say, "Hey... here is a piece of the orientation video... why is it hidden in a bible somewhere else on the island instead of in THIS hatch where it belongs??"

We need to stop expecting there to be hidden stuff in EVERYTHING... there ARE hidden things... but pretty soon we're going to be seeing Dharma symbols in our freakin' Cheerios... relaaaaaaaaaaaax. :)

I agree. Some of the posts here are getting nuts with, "What do you think this means?" stuff.

His astonishment was from the fact of seeing the same filmstrip from another part of the Island.

My question...why was the film strip for the Swan Bunker in another unrelated bunker?

Then how does that explain why they zoomed in on Marvin's face?

I think the scenes where they zoom in on Marvin's face match the scenes during the episode where we see the people watching the film strip. You only see them zoom in on Marvin's face on the Orientation film that is posted online, not the one in the actual episode, correct?

The more interesting question about this is why did a person cut and hide that part of the filmstrip. It obviously was concealed b/c the person wanted someone to communicate through the computer-why? and why did Dr. M not want communcation?

He sees it has Marvin Candle in it. Meaning, it's part of the same film that was in the hatch. So, he must be wondering: How the heck did you get your hands on this missing piece?

Bingo, give that man a cookie. :)

I believe that Locke is astonished by this missing piece because:

a. He was convinced there were just skips in the film. Remember he said tonight that it was probably just a few seconds missing, a few frames here and there?

b. He was convinced that all the computer could be used for was for punching in the numbers. He never considered that perhaps they could communicate with the outside world this way.

In both instances, he has been proven wrong - this man who thinks he understands through "faith" - who is convinced he knows the answers - he was proven wrong on two accounts. There were more than just a few frames missing - a whole piece in fact. And he was missing the concept that perhaps the computer could be their connection.

I think when TPTB talk about the Locke/Eko dynamic and their oppositions with each other, this is the beginning. Locke believes himself to be a man of faith, but of faith in man. Eko is a man of faith, but in God. This will be played out as Eko continues to show Locke in ways like tonight with the film that Locke doesn't have all the answers, that there are still other pieces missing.

Just my two cents...

Both me and my co-worker could have sworn Candle WINKED on the film, but we rewound it three times and finally decided it was just because he was shocked that it was actually part of the Orientation film that was missing.

I saw the face of evil.:smile:

Actually I was expecting that when Ecko talked of the book found in the temple, this book would have some verse or story in it, comparable to what was found previously in Ecko's story. The tape was a surprise, but you knew it was coming.

Didn't Dr. Candle say something new about the "hatch" being used for isolation (or something like that)? That's what I thought Locke was surprised about. The purpose/use of the hatch.

i think its purely shock mixed with confusion

In my opinion, Locke's reaction when he holds up the strip with Dr. Candle's face is due to the realization that the film was deliberately manipulated - that a piece was cut out and hidden away.

I believe that up until then, Locke assumed that that missing piece(s) were the result of breaks in the film due to overuse, age, etc. But once he relaized that someone did this on purpose, he knew some sort of sabotage was involved.

One thing that I wonder - why didn't whoever cut the film just destroy the piece that was removed (about the communications) rather than hide it on the other side of the island? Destruction would be the safest way to ensure that no one ever found out the information it included.

or they were hoping someone found it and figure out it must have importance

" I am beginning to think maybe Eko has been on the island previously, and somehow was sent back there again. Any thoughts on this? Agree? Disagree?

We must not forget that when they took Claire that she was not able to remember what happened. They where able to wipe her memory. They all could of been there and came back.

We must not forget that when they took Claire that she was not able to remember what happened. They where able to wipe her memory. They all could of been there and came back.

i dont see that as very likely though, lately i've been thinking that most of the survivors are linked by there parents.
in sawyers case its probobly through the real sawyer.
kate its probobly her army dad
jin might be through suns dad
hurly i guess from the looney bin?
im not gonna name them all but u get the point

The more interesting question about this is why did a person cut and hide that part of the filmstrip. It obviously was concealed b/c the person wanted someone to communicate through the computer-why? and why did Dr. M not want communcation?

that's kind of my train of thought on this. the part of the film was taking about by SOMEONE so that people WOULD use the computer to communicate .But why? What does it do?

i dont see that as very likely though, lately i've been thinking that most of the survivors are linked by there parents.
in sawyers case its probobly through the real sawyer.
kate its probobly her army dad
jin might be through suns dad
hurly i guess from the looney bin?
im not gonna name them all but u get the point
ok so lets say that is so.....

sawyer jin kate jake charlie sun shannon boone AL cindy michael hurley are ages are in hmmm lets say a 10 year age bracket. but then Rose and Bearnard Locke Libby seem to be a bit older than that maybe around the age of the parents.

Sooo. just for fun lets say that this experiment really started before 1980. Because no company would ever start a massive experiment like that without trials right?? So they seem to have a thing for the children if I was to really really think outside the box here what if they were all from the trial experiment that launched the 1980 one.


ok to much ha:biggrin::biggrin:

or they were hoping someone found it and figure out it must have importance

Yes, I've considered that the hidden piece in the Bible could be counter-sabotage. Maybe someone was told to remove that piece and destroy it...but instead, it was hidden in hopes that someone would eventually find it.

well, i dont think the age of the parents matter much, i think it's just that their parents were at different levels. and like i said its not always their parents. and i have no idea how their parents are involved, its a working theory still.

My question...why was the film strip for the Swan Bunker in another unrelated bunker?
This is really the key question. The fact that the missing film strip was in another "unrelated" bunker and the fact that Desmond knew that "the wheel sticks" on the front door of the Swan Station indicates that the suggested isolation/quarantine is a hoax. Maybe Locke just put two and two together...