So sad! Jack knows. Will he withhold himself from her for Sawyer's sake?
He didn't exactly heat up the screen when she kissed him, not like her
and Sawyer did.

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Sawyer and Kate video: http://media.putfile.com/Iris---KateSawyer

I don't know that he actually loves her...

Or if he DOES...he loves her subconsciously...I don't think he's aware of it.

Yeah, the way he acted at the end...different...yet not different enough to know (consciously) what he said and to have acknowledged that love. But I guess we think it's Kate he was talking about then?

I'm thinking it was Kate he was talking about; but it may have been someone else.
I just think they have a lot of chemistry, the two actors, and they fit much better
than Kate and Jack. ( I think Ana and Jack have good chemistry).

Yeah, the way he acted at the end...different...yet not different enough to know (consciously) what he said and to have acknowledged that love. But I guess we think it's Kate he was talking about then?

yup. i think it was kate.

This episode seemed to point in the direction of future couples, which also seemed to be indicated by one of the last podcasts.

Locke and Eko are obviously going to be closer - NOT in a romantic way, I know.

Kate and Sawyer are moving in that direction and so do, maybe by default, Jack and Ana Lucia.

What was interesting was the the Jack and Kate kiss. I think she kissed him to discover if there was anything there. I also think she wanted something to be there and to deny her feelings for Sawyer. However, I think she found out that there was nothing there.
As someone already pointed out, that kiss left us cold, totally unlike the Sawyer/Kate smooch.

I got the feeling he was talking about AL.

I agree ForeverLost19. I think she wants to feel something for Jack and that is why she kissed him. She obviously feels something for Sawyer but doesn't want to. I thought the Jack/Kate smooch was steamy, but more for him than her. Why did she run off with the confused look? I could see if he kissed her, but she initiated it.

I'm not entirely convinced that Sawyer was talking about Kate. He was pretty out of it, murmuring "where is she?" and Jack just assummed he meant Kate. It didn't seem as if Sawyer even heard Jack say "You mean kate?" He went on with his murmuring--"I love her"-- but I think he could have meant whomever he was dreaming about in his fever. Although I do like Kate and Sawyer together, I think it would be more interesting if jack has jumped to the wrong conclusion and there's a woman in Sawyer's past. A bit more potential for plot complexity.

Remember, Sawyer was ill with a very high fever which causes delirium. There is no way to be certain who he was talking about at all since he was delirious. He could have been talking about his pet bunny rabbit back home.

I think that Kate is struggling with the concept of 'good and bad' - she wants to be 'good' but feels that she is genetically 'bad' because of the louse that was her biological father. Jack represents good, while Sawyer is the typical 'bad boy'. She wants to gravitate toward Jack, but, as evidenced by her reponse to kissing him, realizes that she is more attracted to our favorite 'bad' boy, Sawyer. Hope that makes sense....

Sawyer could have even been talking about his mother - while I do think he has very strong feelings for kate...I dont think he KNOWS he loves her or if he even DOES love her YET. For a guy like HIM love is a big strong word and he is not really the type of guy to "love" any woman..he WAS a womanizing conman...but he is growing in to something else now.

I dont really know that he meant KATE yet though. But he will in time judging by the differences in kisses! And everyone knows the FIRST thing that brings people together is that chemical connection...after THAT it's getting to know someone (hey not saying that is RIGHT but it's generally how it sure is!) ;-)

Yeah I'm thinking it may not have been Kate he was referring to. In a dream-like state, he was probably talking about someone from his past. I thought the Kate-Jack kiss was pretty good considering it wasn't Sawyer... It was just awkward. She's thinking she's going crazy, Jack hugs her and makes her feel safe, probably reminds her of the man she loved and she kisses him. I think there is an attraction between them, just not as much as there is with her and Sawyer!

I'm also not convinced that he was talking about Kate. And it's possible that it wasn't Sawyer at all, but Wayne.

I was thinking the same thing! That might have been Wayne doing the murmuring and not Sawyer.

me too -- Sawyer very well may have been channelling Wayne when he said both "I love her" and when he wanted to kill her.....

I thinks subconsciencely loves her.......But he is soooooo not ready to admit it to himself or to Kate...:inlove:

But all in due time..But in the mean time..at least Jack KNOWS:biggrin:


I really do think he was talkign about Kate..For one its a Kate episode..and I think with Kate admitting her feeling about Sawyer...it ties in to the couple

And I dont think Sawyer was her father to anybody but Kate..Kate was the one seeing things..not Sawyer and not Jack

i also agree that it was wayne that was talking when sawyer said i love her because when sawyer was trying to choke kate he also said why did you kill me and after kate realized it was wayne talking she had to confess to sawyer why she did it so that wayne would hear her. and also since jack thought that it was sawyer talking when he said i love her i think that jack will try and do something to sawyer so that he can have kate all to himself...........i don't know that is just what i think.

I don't think it was Sawyer who said he loves Kate. If you remember, during this whole time Sawyer also said "why did you kill ME?" It is my contention that Sawyer was somehow "possessed" by Kate's dead father, who said "I love her" through Sawyer as a medium.

What was interesting was the the Jack and Kate kiss. I think she kissed him to discover if there was anything there. I also think she wanted something to be there and to deny her feelings for Sawyer. However, I think she found out that there was nothing there.
As someone already pointed out, that kiss left us cold, totally unlike the Sawyer/Kate smooch.

Exactly. I think you hit the nail on the head. That sounds like a completely reasonable thing to do. Kate and Sawyer were made for each other, Kate understands Sawyer and Sawyer understands Kate. Imperfect Kate could never be good enough for Jack, imho.

I'm not entirely convinced that Sawyer was talking about Kate. He was pretty out of it, murmuring "where is she?" and Jack just assummed he meant Kate. It didn't seem as if Sawyer even heard Jack say "You mean kate?" He went on with his murmuring--"I love her"-- but I think he could have meant whomever he was dreaming about in his fever. Although I do like Kate and Sawyer together, I think it would be more interesting if jack has jumped to the wrong conclusion and there's a woman in Sawyer's past. A bit more potential for plot complexity.

Aaahh, but we know from "Outlaws" that Sawyer has never been in love before, so I do believe that he was talking about Kate. However, yes, it could be subconscious and he is not ready to admit it to himself. Much like Kate herself. I think we will continue to see their usual "one step forward, and three steps back" approach to this relationship.

I really do think he was talkign about Kate..For one its a Kate episode..and I think with Kate admitting her feeling about Sawyer...it ties in to the couple

And I dont think Sawyer was her father to anybody but Kate..Kate was the one seeing things..not Sawyer and not Jack

I totally agree SP! However, Sawyer did see the horse and Sayid did see Walt, so if there are illusions on the island, it does appear that they are not isolated to one particular person...

I thought Sawyer was talking about someone from his past... but after the later scene, it was confusing because I didn't catch all the dialogue but now I realize Sawyer was Wayne and Kate was interacting with him as Wayne - which then makes me think the earlier stuff was Sawyer as Wayne. So Jack saw Wayne and didn't realize it, and thought Sawyer said he loves Kate.

He didn't exactly heat up the screen when she kissed him, not like her
and Sawyer did.

I found her kiss with Jack utterly boring. There wasn't that spark to it and I think Kate knew it by the way she reacted afterward.

I think Sawyer may love Kate...but he wouldn't ever say that to her. Just like Kate wouldn't admit she had feelings for Sawyer. Though...she kinda, sort of, did last night when she was talking to her father who she thought was in Saywer's body.

I see a Kate and Sawyer connection coming up.

Aaahh, but we know from "Outlaws" that Sawyer has never been in love before, so I do believe that he was talking about Kate. However, yes, it could be subconscious and he is not ready to admit it to himself. Much like Kate herself. I think we will continue to see their usual "one step forward, and three steps back" approach to this relationship.

Good point about him not having been in love before! I agree that Sawyer loves Kate.

The only people Sawyer could be in love with are someone from his past, Kate or Ana. Since he'd never been in love before it has to be Kate or Ana. And since he spent all of what, two days? with Ana? Maybe three? I highly doubt it's her, especially based on the way she treated him. I don't remember Sawyer ever threatening Kate's life as he did with Ana (Of course, Kate never clocked Sawyer the way Ana did either).

My point is that Kate and Sawyer have had moments of understanding between them--the drinking game--swimming in the lagoon--her confronting him about the letter that he had written to con-man Sawyer, etc. You fall in love with someone based on moments like those with Kate, not moments where you're getting punched, held down on the ground by a shoe on your bullet-torn shoulder, threatened with being left behind when you're in pain, dehydrated, and have blood poisoning.

I suppose there's always the possibility that Sawyer is turned on by that kind of treatment, maybe he's a closet masochist... but I highly doubt it... he seems to enjoy pleasure.

I definetly think he was talking about Kate, but he was very much in a delusional state. He may love her, he may not. If he was capable of coherent thought, he PROBABLY thought he was going to die, and so it makes sense that he would need to get it out in the open. And so sad, too, because up until this point, he's been doing just about everything he can to get himself killed... and now that he's finally found something good, he thinks he's actually going to die, and fighting like hell not to.

He may not love her, but rather love what she has been for him. A catalyst for change in his life.

As a skater, I desperately hope he loves her, though, lol. My real concern is that Jack would say something to Kate and Sawyer doesn't ever remember saying it.

I LOVE Sawyer and Kate together! They are just hot!