View Full Version : Dr. Candle's hair
crashsurvivor 12-01-2005, 01:02 AM Though I'm sure it's just an inconsistancy, did anyone besides me notice his hair was different at two points on the film?
Both times occured when Locke & Mr. Eko are watching the tape and Michael is examining the computer. I noticed the change around the time Dr. Candle says not to use the computer for anything other than entering the code, his hair is thicker, and his face appears a little younger. Right afterwards, when he speaks of the isolation that occurs at the hatch, his hair is shorter, thinner even, and his face seems to be more strained.
Not significant or anything, I found it amusing is all....
addicted2much 12-01-2005, 01:07 AM That had to be intentional. It was clearly different. I'm not the best at picking up on the small clues like a tattoo on a shark, but even I could tell Dr. Candle was having a bad day in the added film.
crashsurvivor 12-01-2005, 01:25 AM So you thought it was intentional Addicted? I had'nt even considered that before, but maybe so. I wonder what purpose it would serve? I just figured they brought the actor in later to film the scene, and didn't think anyone would notice the changes. Goes to show they can't get anything past us!
joeywally 12-01-2005, 01:26 AM Just watched tonights ep. Noticed that Dr. Candle had a new haircut for the spliced portion of the film. Even appeared to look younger (no gray hairs). Any thoughts?
crashsurvivor 12-01-2005, 01:27 AM Funny, I just posted a new thread on that very subject....:smile:
joeywally 12-01-2005, 01:30 AM We'll just use your thread. I think it was intentional. I can't tell if he he looked younger or he had no grays. His skin looked better, it almost didn't look like the same guy. I guess the film could be not as faded because it wasn't wathced as much, but I'm not sure.
joeywally 12-01-2005, 01:31 AM Funny, I just posted a new thread on that very subject....:smile:
Just saw that...will post in your thread :)
gumpy5 12-01-2005, 01:50 AM I've got caps:
First one (From 2x03 - Orientation):
http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=candle16hc.jpg
During spliced part:
http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=candle26nu.jpg
He does look noticably different, not only his hair, but his face looks weird too. The film also looks less grainy, but that could be explained that the spliced film was better kept.
Spacefrost 12-01-2005, 02:03 AM his necktie knot is different also. not the tie. it's the same. but the knot itself is different. so must have just been filmed at a different time. he almost looks sickly in the missing footage. hhmmm.
AuburnTiger327 12-01-2005, 02:06 AM Also, his jacket is different.. check out the collar in the screen caps.. it gets smaller
monkeypeanut 12-01-2005, 02:11 AM That guy gives me a major case of the willies. I'm going to have nightmares.
Mbuhir 12-01-2005, 02:11 AM Good, I'm not crazy. I thought something seemed off..
Matt 2108 12-01-2005, 02:16 AM He looks like he's having a really bad day in the spliced portion. It's very noticeable, I'd be suprised if it wasn't intentional.
wentwj 12-01-2005, 02:17 AM personally i think this is another case of "Shannon was stabbed!" But i could be off, I didn't notice anythign the first time though I'll admit that I wasn't paying the utmost of attention. Just started rewatching it again. Anyway from those two screencaps somebody posted earlier the flim is VERY different quality, making it hard to really tell anything with his hair color because the contrast and clarity is so different on the two images.
Anyway I suppose it's possible that the part of the film the spliced together was film from another hatch's orientation video, and thus may have been shot at a different time, but I highly doubt this, it flowed fine, and the quality of the film is so off to tell little differences like hairstyle/color and other things that change at angle and contrast. Though the lighting itself does look drastically different, I'm not sure exactly which part of the video the first cap was taken from.
twinkies 12-01-2005, 02:25 AM He looks bad in the spliced film. I don't think the film Ecko found is from the original. I don't think it's the part that was removed either. I think the part that was removed is still missing. I wonder if he was forced to make that footage and it was placed in the other hatch on purpose and someone knew they would find it and put it together. But why would someone go to that kind of trouble. If it is legit then just leave the new part of the film at Locke's hatch. Why take a piece out of the film and leave a newly made piece of film somewhere else? If you're going to take a piece out of the film, wouldn't you leave the new piece with it. Unless the newly made piece of the film was trying to get to the old piece but it was stopped before it got there and hidden in the bible. Strange... I'm going to have to think about this some more.
metallidevils 12-01-2005, 02:35 AM if you look closely at the exit signs in each of the 2 posted photos, you can see by the blurriness that in each video, the arrow part of the exit sign is pointing a different way
wentwj 12-01-2005, 02:59 AM go back and watch the actual show again. As I said I was watching it over and I just got the part, and it actually shows when it switched between film, it's VERY obvious it's the exact same film. Nothing changes drastically, the quality of the film is even roughtly hte same. It's constantly getting brighter and darker throughout the whole thing, which is why his hair seems different in the different pics.
Watch the video again, they show the old part going into the new part, and I don't see how anyone could rationally argue that it's a different film then at that point. Maybe different parts of the original film were shot at different times I dunno, but they clearly show it in the episode, and it's the same.
pattycakes 12-01-2005, 03:01 AM I don't think the film Ecko found is from the original. I don't think it's the part that was removed either. I think the part that was removed is still missing.
I'll take this one step further and suggest that perhaps the piece of film Eko found was cut from the Arrow orientation film.
twinkies 12-01-2005, 03:18 AM wentwj,
Did you take a look at the caps from grumpy5, post # 8? He looks so different between the two caps. As someone mentioned before, even his white coat is different. If it was part of the original film, why would he look one way and then change his hair, re do his tie and put on a different coat, then change again and go back to exactly the way he looked at the very beginning. Also, parts of the film still seemed choppy to me. There could be even more pieces of the original film missing.
withay 12-01-2005, 04:16 AM It has been pointed out that he does not move his left arm (on our right) in the film . Look at his left eye also. It appears to droop slightly also. And the lapel of his white coat is twice as wide in one of the parts as the other. There would be no logical reason for him to change his coat in the middle of a film like this. He was not conducting any type of experiment where it could get messed up. The only thing that makes any sense is that these are two different films.
lockeisthekey 12-01-2005, 04:21 AM wow. will the mysteries never end? I think the folks are messing with us!
they know we'll talk about this until January(or whenever the next new ep
airs).
arrghhh!
I had to be intentional. Didn't it?
jbdean 12-01-2005, 05:02 AM I've got caps:
First one (From 2x03 - Orientation):
http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=candle16hc.jpg
During spliced part:
http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=candle26nu.jpg
He does look noticably different, not only his hair, but his face looks weird too. The film also looks less grainy, but that could be explained that the spliced film was better kept.
He does look younger ... his face is fuller and more plump. Notice the eyes. In the added film his eyes don't look as hollow and the sockets aren't as sunken. It's like the added film was done before the full reel that Desmond had. Also, you don't see the gray on his right side at all as you do in Desmond's film. I don't know the significance of this difference but I don't think it's an error. Too noticeable.
LostPack 12-01-2005, 05:33 AM Side by side comparison of both images:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/elpack/candlecompare.jpg
I'm not quite sure why - but there are some obvious differences between the 2 - so I'm thinking that perhaps the new clip focuses on another hatch - and isn't part of the same film, but is part of the seriesof orientation films.. then again, that doesn't explain a thing. Earlier in the episode when asked why he can't just enter the numbers at any time, Locke showed how nothing he typed worked at that point.. yet michael was able to answer the message...
all very curious..
nyawka 12-01-2005, 05:51 AM It is a different tie, different jacket. His face almost looks as though there has been some CGI work on it, or shot at 2 different lights, times, and make up. His nostrils look different, in the comparison shots.
2 different videos no doubt.
NewRave 12-01-2005, 09:49 AM I agree -- exit sign, jacket and especially the tie are different. The tie in the original clip has WHITE on top of BLACK lines. On the spliced clip, BLACK is on top of WHITE.
AJCeder 12-01-2005, 10:26 AM It is a different tie, different jacket. His face almost looks as though there has been some CGI work on it, or shot at 2 different lights, times, and make up. His nostrils look different, in the comparison shots.
2 different videos no doubt.
After reading the whole post I have my theories:
1) Definitely two different films - found in two completely different locations.
2) Eko was supposed to find the film in the Bible as the Scientists know of his religious background -- a for him and Locke to connect in the Hatch.
3) The spliced part of the film was filmed before "the Incident" when Dr. Candle lost his EYE and LEFT ARM.
4)The Orientation Films are part of a series that were filmed at different times and for different motives. The spliced portions may be giving off wrong "clues" to see how psychologically the characters will obey or not obey the "Good" Doctor.
Any thoughts??
Cheers
Descartes 12-01-2005, 10:55 AM Does Marvin have a glass eye?
dickey2345 12-01-2005, 11:10 AM To me, they almost look like two different people. I know they're not, but it almost looks like the producers were trying to make it look like Candle was younger in the Swan orientation video. And in the other spliced portion he looks older. Personally I think that there are more orientation films out there in the other stations. The spliced portion was NOT from the Swan film. Also, I think that there are more computers in the other stations and that's what we need to focus on. And why would trying to communicate with the outside world cause another INCIDENT? Almost like they are watching everything that the survivors of Flight 815 are doing. This was by far the best episode of the season.
greepoman 12-01-2005, 11:14 AM How about the theory that the different parts of the film was shot at 2 different times in real life? It would be almost impossible to recreate the same look. It really depends on how much they do ahead of time, did they already have the script done for every episode before they started filming? How much have they had planned from the beginning and how much are they writing 'on the fly'?
Traekos 12-01-2005, 11:19 AM There are six hatches so it isn't so illogical to assume that the *orientation* films were made at different times. They would follow the same basic *script* but the good doctor wouldn't have the exact same appearance.
But if the new film was really meant to be for the *arrow* hatch then where is the computer that he warns about? Why mention something that isn't there?
SMoK9977 12-01-2005, 11:32 AM After reading the whole post I have my theories:
1) Definitely two different films - found in two completely different locations.
2) Eko was supposed to find the film in the Bible as the Scientists know of his religious background -- a for him and Locke to connect in the Hatch.
3) The spliced part of the film was filmed before "the Incident" when Dr. Candle lost his EYE and LEFT ARM.
4)The Orientation Films are part of a series that were filmed at different times and for different motives. The spliced portions may be giving off wrong "clues" to see how psychologically the characters will obey or not obey the "Good" Doctor.
Any thoughts??
Cheers
I have a thought on your third point.
If I remember correctly, the new splice makes reference to avoiding ANOTHER incident. Wouldn't that mean that the splice was filmed after the incident, not before?
Is it possible there has been more than one incident? :eek:
Cluck 12-01-2005, 11:47 AM After reading the whole post I have my theories:
1) Definitely two different films - found in two completely different locations.
2) Eko was supposed to find the film in the Bible as the Scientists know of his religious background -- a for him and Locke to connect in the Hatch.
3) The spliced part of the film was filmed before "the Incident" when Dr. Candle lost his EYE and LEFT ARM.
4)The Orientation Films are part of a series that were filmed at different times and for different motives. The spliced portions may be giving off wrong "clues" to see how psychologically the characters will obey or not obey the "Good" Doctor.
Any thoughts??
Cheers
This is exactly what I was thinking and really appears to be the most logical explanation. Remember the beginning of the film shows that the film was made specifically for the Swan Station #3. So logically there would be another film made for the Arrow station.
So they would be different.
Cluck 12-01-2005, 11:50 AM But if the new film was really meant to be for the *arrow* hatch then where is the computer that he warns about? Why mention something that isn't there?
Do we really know for sure that there was never a computer in the Arrow station?
nyawka 12-01-2005, 12:02 PM Incident=singularity?
by the way, the original video is back up on the hanso site, with a new letter, well, I think it is the first video, maybe the second, or well, the video from orientation is there again.:smile:
ortiz34 12-01-2005, 12:20 PM Maybe the film clip was 'meant to be different'?
The crux of his message in the new clip is a warning not to communicate with others, and if you are splicing in this clip with the old film , in essence means that you have communicated with others to find the new clip in the first place pretty much doesnt it?
Seems like a mind game kinda thing.
the hair seems slicked back or wet in the new clip.
ortiz34 12-01-2005, 01:07 PM RE:
"Side by side comparison of both images:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...dlecompare.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/elpack/candlecompare.jpg)
I'm not quite sure why - but there are some obvious differences between the 2 - so I'm thinking that perhaps the new clip focuses on another hatch - and isn't part of the same film, but is part of the seriesof orientation films.."
I think we are on to something with this...
he says not to use the computers to communicate
try this:
there are orientation films at each location
each locations films has 'missing parts'
one missing part says one thing,the other missing part says another
I think its just a matter of time before we see another 'film clip' that fits in perfectly with this film but eyt will say the exact opposite of the new clip they just found...
libs30 12-01-2005, 06:22 PM The arrow sign pointing the opposite way made me think of the whole mirror image of things, such as Walt's backward utterances, and the Alvar Hanso image looking the other way for a single frame.
But the mole on Candle's forehead is on the same side on both clips, so he's not mirrored.
He uses his right hand in the new splice, when he says 'will compromise the integrity of the project' it flicks up for a second, but the left is still not used at all, which I suppose doesn't mean he can't.
If he was making the new part of the tape under duress, this might explain the discovery of his (if it is his) glass eye with the bible - he was being tortured to force him to make the video.
This would also fit in with the fact he is much less optimistic in the added portion - he seemed rather excited about the project in the original film, and much more desperate and serious in the spliced part.
Maybe the new one is a clone - he doesn't show the degree of emotion that the first Candle does. Or maybe that red herring script on the official website is right - the people do turn into zombies!
joeywally 12-01-2005, 07:46 PM Does Marvin have a glass eye?
I believe he does. I have a glass eye and my eyelid droops similarly to his. My glass eye moves similar to his, the only way to tell is the droopy eyelid. I think him having a glass eye is a "reel" possibility.
lochnarus 12-01-2005, 08:02 PM Also, his jacket is different.. check out the collar in the screen caps.. it gets smaller
Yeap...the lapels are smaller.
This might just be that they filmed it at different times...and I dont mean Dharma, I mean the LOST crew.
Marielita426 12-01-2005, 08:21 PM Anyone thought maybe the actor got a little botox and colored his hair after making this eppy? :)
Just kidding, if the tie knot is different and the coat looks different maybe it's the film from the other station. Althought, who would cut the same piece of film form 2 different films..hmmm...??
FreeBaGeL 12-01-2005, 08:25 PM So am I the only one that thinks they probably just filmed the two scenes for the show at different times, and obviously on different days everything isn't going to be exactly the same?
I dunno, I just think if they wanted it to be from two seperate films they would've made it a little more obvious.
Graeme 12-01-2005, 08:40 PM This has defo been done on purpose by the lost crew, look at the difference, i played around with it a bit to see if it could be the light playing tricks on us but its not, ive removed the colour and made it red, ive darkened the right image and there is just no way this was filmed at the same time, and i think Lost crew would have noticed the GLARING differences, like the grey hair, the tie, the gel in the "missing" film, the difference in age on both the clips, surely the makeup artist couldnt have got it so wrong
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/130/drcan0fq.png (this image doesnt help much but here it is anyway
Stabbey_the_Clown 12-01-2005, 08:44 PM That had to be intentional. It was clearly different. I'm not the best at picking up on the small clues like a tattoo on a shark, but even I could tell Dr. Candle was having a bad day in the added film.
The actors playing the extra's "Scott" and "Steve" switched roles in "Homecoming". Don't overanalyze every little thing. Not all minor tiny inconsistencies are part of a huge conspiratorial plan.
"OMG in 'Exodus' you can clearly see that Charlie's forehead scar was 38 mm long, but in 'What Kate Did' it's only 26 mm long! That has to be intentional! What could the creators mean by that?"
tropicanacabana 12-01-2005, 08:53 PM He definitely looks different in the two parts. Maybe originally there was one thing you couldn't use the computer for, and then it turned out that was bad so they had to change the message to say ONLY enter the numbers...
Original film : "Do not attempt to use the computer for--"
Piece cut out: "playing whack-a-boar."
Missing piece: "anything other than entering the numbers."
er... or something..
piscescat 12-01-2005, 09:05 PM I didn't notice the differences in Dr Candle's appearance but then he kinda creeps me out so I try not to look at him, even though I expected some kind of clue in the new film material. But what bothers me is why Locke didn't just run the new film. Why did he splice them together and how would he know where to splice them?
I would think the film found in the arrow station is meant for the arrow station but without seeing the whole film, it's hard to know for sure. We can only guess.
Graeme 12-01-2005, 09:13 PM For anyone who hasnt listened to the official Podcast, they confirm that he has a fake arm, and although they didnt confirm that he has a glass eye, they said its interesting to note that they found a glass eye
linerk 12-01-2005, 10:00 PM I had noticed slight differences but now seeing the two pics it's very different and the fact that the jacket and the exit sign are different screams that it was done on purpose and not just continuity error.
And has anyone thought that the incident might have been the arrow hatch and that's why it's empty?? This might lead to the glass eye and bible with part of film stuff too. I haven't seen it posted so I am sorry if it's been talked to death already.
crashsurvivor 12-02-2005, 01:04 AM How about the theory that the different parts of the film was shot at 2 different times in real life? It would be almost impossible to recreate the same look. It really depends on how much they do ahead of time, did they already have the script done for every episode before they started filming? How much have they had planned from the beginning and how much are they writing 'on the fly'?
WOW!! I had no idea my "little observation" would create such a controversy!! Actually, the comment above expresses exactly what I was thinking all along when I started this thread.
Traekos 12-02-2005, 01:07 AM Do we really know for sure that there was never a computer in the Arrow station?
Of course not. Which means either the film was forgotten when the computer was moved, the computer was stolen without knowledge of the film's existence or the film was in the wrong station.
Michelle Friday 12-02-2005, 01:38 AM Gee, they kind of look like...... Twins! (?).
It is kind of freaky! I wonder why Locke and Eko didn't notice?
nyawka 12-02-2005, 04:34 AM The arrow station kind of looked like there was an explosion. In the big room they were in, it looked like there was some debris on the floor from the ceiling. Perhaps the back of that room was the blast door for that station?
qorzm 12-02-2005, 05:06 AM http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/7731/crandle9zp.gif
DaSenor2427 12-02-2005, 06:32 AM Here's my thought on this. I think it was intentional. My reasoning is that they had to know between filming the original orientation film and the new splice that some things would change, especially when you consider the differences already between these two films. I think if they wanted them to look the same, and not have noticable differences they would have just reshot the orientation film (well at least the parts that were shown in this episode), so that it all looks like one film, instead of looking like two different films. At least then if there were changes, like the ones noted in this thread, they wouldn't be that noticeable. I could be wrong, but that's just what I think.
JWPinkham 12-02-2005, 07:54 AM Maybe he's just tired from burning the Candle at both ends.
wentwj 12-02-2005, 12:40 PM I know this is a slightly old post, but sorry I havn't been here to contribute to it the last few days. And I don't mean to sound insulting, but have any of you watched the episode again? From the screenshots it looks a LOT like they are different people, so if you're just looking at screencaps I can obviously see why you think that. But if you go back and watch the actual episode, they ACTUALLY show you the jump in the film, and there is no diffence between the two at all.
You see the normal part where he's going "Do not use the computer for an-" and hten lock says "Here it comes!" and you see the new film, he's in the EXACT same place, EXACT same clothes adn everything, not even a movement jump. Also the reason his hair looks different in the different caps is becuase several times per second the film's contrast is changing from dark to light, so depending on which one the cap was taken at it'd look different. As for his clothes being different, I think that's an illusion of the angle. I really think this is another case of overanalysing like the shannon shooter thing. Just watch that part of hte episode again, I even paused it and advanced it frame by frame to see if I could notice anything, and I didn't, though depending on which frame the throughout the ENTIRE thing the contrast was jumping to make his hair look like it was black, to showing signs of grey.
I think odds are either the film is the same. or MAYBE it's different than the one they showed back in orientation, but they SHOWED us the film that's "Supposed" to be the orientation flim again. So I'd say either they ahd to reshoot it, and reshoot the entire thing, or all the differences are just from over anaylsing two images at totally different contrasts.
hilbot 12-02-2005, 05:18 PM Whoa, this thread is wicked!
Okay, i don't think we're over-analyzing at all. These 2 pieces of film are different. This show is so carefully plotted and scripted that it wouldn't make any sense to film the "missing part" later, the crew would have done the whole orientation film in one shot and then just cut it up. Must be on purpose!
As well, I don't think the missing piece is from another experiment/hatch. The spliced- in part specifically mentions "the isolation of station 3."
It might make sense that the film had to be re-done/re-edited later by the Dharma people. But if it was, why is Dr. Candle younger in the splice?
Here's my wacky theory, i fully expect to be shot down and everything, i don't mind.
What about time-travel? You've read the worm-hole theories and stuff, right? But what if the incident was so bad, the Dharma people developed a way to go back in time and try to prevent the incident from happening? They film a new part with a more forbidding warning about the computer. But it happens again. They realize their mistake was revealing the information about the computer's possibilities, so they cut that part out.
What if the Life-extension project worked and the scientists and/or their descendants are living for years and years, caught up in an endless time loop of trying to right their mistakes?
I'm just having fun, so please don't make me go cry in the corner or anything. Watch out, Michael J Fox! Don't take her to the dance, she's your mother!
Shatterhand 12-02-2005, 05:46 PM One of the biggest differences I noticed was the lighting. The second film is so much more shadowy. On top of that, Candle just seems much more serious in this film. This film was almost scary.
Candle in the first film seemed to be talking like he was in a fairly good mood, smiling, etc.
In the second film, I thought the way Candle was talking and that shadow on the right side of the face went together perfectly. Directors will often use this lighting when making a "sinster" or "scary" scene of someone talking.
And there's no way that the directors can do this lighting on accident. It was definitely intentional.
And people need to realize that they have people hired to make sure continuity is observed. You can expect some little things from time to time, but huge things such as what he is wearing, his hair, and a major lighting change are not accidents. And when all those things together appear in that one film, there is absolutely no way it was an accident.
The comment earlier in this thread where someone compared these two films to Michael's scar being 26 cm long in one episode and 28 in other is incredibly stupid. For one, the Lost crew is not going to be thinking about the exact size of a scar on someone's forehead. On the other hand, this film is a MAJOR part of this series. I think everything revolves around the Dharma Initiative and these films. How could the entire Lost crew not notice that he is wearing different clothes, that his hair is completely different, and that the lighting is completely different? There's NO WAY.
Lasty, does anyone know if the actor that plays Dr. Candle has a brother around the same age? If so, I wouldn't be surprised if he is actually a twin or an older brother.
DaSenor2427 12-02-2005, 06:24 PM I know this is a slightly old post, but sorry I havn't been here to contribute to it the last few days. And I don't mean to sound insulting, but have any of you watched the episode again? From the screenshots it looks a LOT like they are different people, so if you're just looking at screencaps I can obviously see why you think that. But if you go back and watch the actual episode, they ACTUALLY show you the jump in the film, and there is no diffence between the two at all.
You see the normal part where he's going "Do not use the computer for an-" and hten lock says "Here it comes!" and you see the new film, he's in the EXACT same place, EXACT same clothes adn everything, not even a movement jump. Also the reason his hair looks different in the different caps is becuase several times per second the film's contrast is changing from dark to light, so depending on which one the cap was taken at it'd look different. As for his clothes being different, I think that's an illusion of the angle. I really think this is another case of overanalysing like the shannon shooter thing. Just watch that part of hte episode again, I even paused it and advanced it frame by frame to see if I could notice anything, and I didn't, though depending on which frame the throughout the ENTIRE thing the contrast was jumping to make his hair look like it was black, to showing signs of grey.
I think odds are either the film is the same. or MAYBE it's different than the one they showed back in orientation, but they SHOWED us the film that's "Supposed" to be the orientation flim again. So I'd say either they ahd to reshoot it, and reshoot the entire thing, or all the differences are just from over anaylsing two images at totally different contrasts.
I've watched it over and over, using Nero Showtime, which allows me to skip back and forth 10 seconds. I've rocked it back and forth, and there are noticable differences.
I've taken screen captures myself:
(The original is on top, the spliced part is on bottom)
http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=orientationfilms1kw.jpg
Noticable differences:
1. His tie changes, subtle yes, but the strips on the knot, not only move, but reverse color order. (In the original there is a white strip over a black one, in the spliced segement, it's a black strip over white)
2. His lab coat collar magically gets smaller with less of a point
3. His hair has a grey patch, and then it doesn't
4. Then the exit sign arrow, goes from pointing right, to pointing left. (To me this is what really points of this beginning intentional)
You may not see it, but I don't see how you can't.
linerk 12-03-2005, 03:13 PM There's no way they just filmed it at a different time and didn't notice. They know that it will be yanked and pulled and knawed at on the message boards and if this many people on the message boards noticed it, you can be sure the producers did too. It has to be on purpose, the differences are too big not to be. I agree you could shoot two different scenes at different times and maybe mess up with the hair and the lighting but the exit sign and coat being different?
We (that is we over here in this house) think that there are pieces of film in each hatch and once they are all found it will make a lot more sense.
I also noticed that Candle mentioned the isolation of station 3, so were the other stations in contact with each other. Does the computer only connect with the other stations or can you really contact the outside world. This could have been a misleading statement and there was no contact with the outside world but just the other stations which would alert the experimenters that the subjects had disobeyed? Just a though. Walt may be talking on the computer because of his special powers, but do we know if he's acting on his own or under the influence of the others?
LostPack 12-03-2005, 03:23 PM So am I the only one that thinks they probably just filmed the two scenes for the show at different times, and obviously on different days everything isn't going to be exactly the same? I dunno, I just think if they wanted it to be from two seperate films they would've made it a little more obvious.
There is NO doubt in my mind that this was just filmed at different times - there was a section that was added and there are minor, but noticible differences. If you watch the film as it's meant to be seen - and entire scene - not frame by frame - there is absolutely nothing to indicate this isn't meant to be one film. In one version you can see Dr. Candle in a different light, with his hair different, with his tie different and one eye looks different --- but its still all part of the same film - one film is older and viewed more - and the other viewed less (and within the realm of tv - likely filmed at a different time)
There has been NOTHING so far found from our frame by frame inspections with a magnifiying glass - nothing in season 1, nothing in season 2. Its one thing to point out things we find - it's another to create some bizarre conspiracy when the answer is pretty obvious. EVEN if this is from another film for another hatch -- the information would likely be exactly the same - and is still Hanso Foundation and the Dharma Initiative related.
Wingnut 12-03-2005, 04:08 PM An important part of this splice is that the beginning of the new splice is identical to the original film. The camera cuts to Eko and Locke for a moment, and when it goes back to the film, we have the 'sinister' Candle.
libs30 12-03-2005, 05:14 PM So am I the only one that thinks they probably just filmed the two scenes for the show at different times, and obviously on different days everything isn't going to be exactly the same?
I dunno, I just think if they wanted it to be from two seperate films they would've made it a little more obvious.
Knowing that they were making a film with pieces missing, surely TPTB would have filmed the missing parts at the same time?
They knew the missing parts would be necessary when they filmed the first film, and surely when filming the missing piece, they'd be extra-specially careful regarding continuity.
And I think that if they made it too obvious, the Losties would notice straight away. If this is a clue (and personally, I think it is), then it would have to be subtle to be a clue and not a straight revelation.
libs30 12-03-2005, 05:19 PM I really think that the missing piece is supposed to be seen as a different film, or at least filmed at a different time.
Regardless of the little continuity 'errors', such as the tie knot and the lighting, Dr Candle's whole state of mind seems much darker and more desperate. He was much, much more optimistic in the original film. When I first watched the original film, I remember noticing how very excited he seemed about a science project. This spliced piece seems much more stern and bleak.
malmeyda 12-03-2005, 05:56 PM He looks too damn different!!!! What the hell just happend there?!! I hope that means something, if not it would be a huge mistake from the person in charge of continuity.
crashsurvivor 12-05-2005, 01:01 AM Regardless of the little continuity 'errors', such as the tie knot and the lighting, Dr Candle's whole state of mind seems much darker and more desperate. He was much, much more optimistic in the original film. When I first watched the original film, I remember noticing how very excited he seemed about a science project. This spliced piece seems much more stern and bleak.
Now that you mention it, it does seem more bleak, sinister even. Makes me wonder what really happend to Dr. Candle. Where is he? What have they done with him? What kind of twisted plot could the writer's be cooking up now?
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