At the end of the episode, when Kate was spilling her guts to Sawyer whom she thought was the ghost of Wayne, she said she killed Wayne because he is a part of her and she knew she could never be good (or something like that). I just found the choice of words rather interesting. This season the whole concept of being good and not good keeps coming up.

I don't think that Kate is good either. She tries with this "heart of gold" act, but she's done some fairly nefarious things. I honestly don't see her as justified for killing her "step"father, but then, I don't think we got the whole story. I think that Wayne did abuse Kate in some way, shape, or form. If that is the truth, then I feel that she'd be a little more justified.

At the start of the show, we all thought that Sawyer was a bad guy and Kate was a good guy. Now, I think that Sawyer is a better person than Kate. Kate felt no remorse for her crime- Sawyer did. Kate only thinks that she's bad because she's Wayne's child, and that her killing was justified- Sawyer knows that he's bad because he's a murderer.

I don't think that Kate is good either. She tries with this "heart of gold" act, but she's done some fairly nefarious things. I honestly don't see her as justified for killing her "step"father, but then, I don't think we got the whole story. I think that Wayne did abuse Kate in some way, shape, or form. If that is the truth, then I feel that she'd be a little more justified.

At the start of the show, we all thought that Sawyer was a bad guy and Kate was a good guy. Now, I think that Sawyer is a better person than Kate. Kate felt no remorse for her crime- Sawyer did. Kate only thinks that she's bad because she's Wayne's child, and that her killing was justified- Sawyer knows that he's bad because he's a murderer.


While I agree with you that Kate isn't necessarily a "good" person, I have to disagree about Sawyer showing remorse for being a murderer. He felt bad only because he killed the wrong man. He made it clear to Walt on the raft that he was planning on finding the real Sawyer and following through with his original plan...

Kate said the same thing to Jack. She was sorry she wasn't 'good' like he was.

She wants to be good..but she apparently seems to think its genetic or something!

Does that mean The Others will Take Jack (Cause his Good) but not Kate (Cause she's Bad) ?

And Take a few others maybe, Hopefully try take Mr.Eko Again (As they tried to take him, but they failed)

With Michael using the computer and thinking it is Walt speaking with him, I definitely think they have opened themselves up to another visit form the Others...

Kate said the same thing to Jack. She was sorry she wasn't 'good' like he was.

She wants to be good..but she apparently seems to think its genetic or something!

Well, maybe it is. Her "father" said he didn't have murder in his heart, implying she did. Kate was old enough at that point to just walk away from her horrible home life. Her mother made it clear that SHE wanted to stay.

When Mars carelessly crashed the car, Kate left him bleeding in the middle of the road, at night, in the rain. Damn, that woman is cold! At least she refrained from running over him when she was backing up the car.

Kate's freakout with Sawyer also shows selfishness. Because he's "possessed," she runs out on the man she says she loves, leaving him helpless. Oh, and fails to push the button that supposedly stops Armageddon (I have serious doubts about that, but apparently Jack isn't taking any chances).

She has certainly performed many selfless acts on the island, she appears to always be working overtime on the fruit collection:biggrin: That's what confuses me so much about Kate. I suppose this episode gave us a decent crack at why she did what she did, but it's almost like killing her real dad completely destabalized her. She goes undercover and rocks those bank robbers just for the toy? It's just a thing Kate! Not worth somebodies life! Not to mention how many other ways are there to stop an abusive husband besides blowing up your own home? I think that was what the episode was really about, not only showing What Kate Did, but also kind of resetting her character. I think she's finally resolved what she did within herself with the help of the islands mind tricks. When she petted the horse at the end it was kind of like "OK I know what I did, and I know it was wrong, but I can't run from it, and as long as I'm here I can start new and start making stupid decisions" In a way I think Jack triggered it when he grabbed her and told her it would be ok. I think she was like "Yeah it will be ok, I don't need to be ruled by this" which is why she kissed Jack, cause he liberated her in a way. Just my take, but I think it's too early to see what kind of person she will end up on the island.

Ahem..we don't know that Kate 'loves' Sawyer yet. We know she has 'connected' with him and cares about him..but that's all we know at the moment.

Kate may be a good person at heart. In life we all make lots of bad desicions and mistakes. Kate has obviously made pretty much the biggest mistake she could make. She has been running from it ever since. It's obvious when a situation that shocked her on the island would lead her to turn to what she knows - how to run.

Let us all hope she finds redemption and becomes a good person. Remember people... You always have a choice, she could in the end choose to do the right thing and become a good person. It's just not always that easy...

Well, maybe it is. Her "father" said he didn't have murder in his heart, implying she did. Kate was old enough at that point to just walk away from her horrible home life. Her mother made it clear that SHE wanted to stay.
I agree with most of what you wrote, especially this. Kate even admitted that she didn't murder Wayne for her mom's sake, it was because she couldn't deal with the fact that Wayne was her real father. Kate was old enough to walk away, and her mom was certainly old enough to make her own decisions.

I didn't find what she did justifiable (not to mention the slippery ethical slope it put her on - that bank robbery was the worst of her sins, IMO, because truly innocent people were put at risk), and I'm actually glad about that, because it keeps the character morally ambiguous. I've been critical of the inconsistencies in Kate's character in the past, and I still am somewhat, but I will admit that last night's episode tended to bring some things together for me. It was the best I've seen her act, too.

I think Morally Ambiguous is a good a way to discribe her as any. The bank robbery was just foolish, and was made even more so by last nights ep. I'm wondering if we are gonna get another Kate flashback this year. How many other stupid decisions did she make between the house exploding and the island?

I think there needs to be much more exposition about the nature of her character before any redemption is shown. I don't think we have a clear enough outlook on her psychological condition yet. I honestly think we're going to get more flashbacks, hopefully to events prior to the murder. All we've seen in her flashbacks so far is her running and her destructive nature, but last night we got a glimpse into why she is that way, though it was a fleeting glimpse. I think there are way more layers to this onion, and I'm thrilled that there is a show on tv that features characters so deep.