I know this is cheesy, but I think it's interesting that with both Sayid and Shannon and their vision of Walt, and Sawyer and Kate and their vision of the horse; the mutual experience of seeing what should be impossible occurs after a declaration of love. Granted, with Kate and Sawyer the declaration of love was a lot more cirumspect than Sayid and Shannon's, but the gist is the same.

Sayid tells Shannon he loves her, and only after that does he see Walt. Sawyer (in a fever, and perhaps he wasn't even talking about Kate, who knows) announces "I love her" and once they are outside, he is sees the horse too. Neither Kate nor Shannon are alone in their visions. Is the declaration of love a necessity to having another witness?

I have no idea what this means.

But it does make me wonder--Kate touches the horse; would Shannon have been able to touch Walt if she had reached him?

Maybe...

My position is that the horse is like the polar bears: they actually physically exist on the island. At least ostensibly as part of the zoology research station.

They do not actually physically exist in the past because the past as we have been shown it does not exist they are implanted memories. The horse, polar bear references, etc. have all been implanted.

Anyway... there were at least two other people to experience visions: Locke (plane, Boone) and Jack (father). I think that the experimenters still have access to implant images into the survivors brains, and that this is what was going on in these instances. Don't know whether to count Boone's hallucionations. Those may have been real hallucinations. Anyway, could you fit Locke and Jack into your 'love=visions' theory?

Anyway... there were at least two other people to experience visions: Locke (plane, Boone) and Jack (father). I think that the experimenters still have access to implant images into the survivors brains, and that this is what was going on in these instances. Don't know whether to count Boone's hallucionations. Those may have been real hallucinations. Anyway, could you fit Locke and Jack into your 'love=visions' theory?

I was thinking about that--neither Jack nor Locke told anyone on the island (or had someone tell them) that they loved them when they had their visions. Now, Jack was alone during his, but Locke wasn't. Maybe if Boone had confessed his undying love for Locke, he too would have seen the Nigerian plane crashing? :rolleyes:

All of this said, Todell, I think there is a definite link between the visions and emotion.

Hi, Todell, I made an abreviated version of an "Outer Limits" episode connected to this idea.
Hope you like it.

http://lacenaire.50megs.com/BLACKBOX.html

Anyway... there were at least two other people to experience visions: Locke (plane, Boone) and Jack (father).
Claire also had that odd dream of her unborn child in the empty crib and Locke with the black/white eyes.

Don't know if you're onto something or not, Todell. Maybe it's just a vibe, but just today I pondered if "L" = "Love". I saw another post with the Locke/Eko, mirror and reversal themes...they (sorry, don't remember who) showed something like this:

ekcoLocke

and my first thought was the "L" = "Love".

Course it could be "Light" or any of a number of things.:biggrin:

ETA: And Hurley apparently had a dream about his Clucks job, the convenience store owner and it was set in the pantry (loves food?).

ekcoLocke

and my first thought was the "L" = "Love".
hee Their love is so palindrome.

ETA: And Hurley apparently had a dream about his Clucks job, the convenience store owner and it was set in the pantry (loves food?).
Of which he was speaking some mighty good Korean (from what I could tell anyway not being able to speak Korean myself). Which has baffled me somewhat. I don't know if that was just one of those throw-away, ha-ha moments from the writers.... or Dream!Hurley speaking fluent Korean means something more significant to the issues of the mind (where "Lost" is concerned anyway)?

Sesotris and Tabby: I was speaking less of the dreams and more of the visions. And we seem to have two different sets of visions. There are the ones where there has been a corroborating witnesses, and those that have not. Interestingly, wasn't Kate with Jack when he originally sees Christian, and she doesn't see him? Myha points out that perhaps this means they aren't connected...

Interestingly! I found this old Tiberius clue from June:

You are always insane when
You are in Love

Sigmund Freud

Sesotris: yes, thanks...I meant to mention Jin re Hurley's dream...does it mean something is "leaking thru" something else (sorry) since it may have been true Korean and Hurley (to our knowledge) doesn't speak Korean?

Todell, sorry...I know you were focusing on visions, connections and reasons why...
so often I just throw something in because it seems relevant or interesting, or it might mean something or help ANYone figure this show out (LOL).

P.S. I don't think it's clear whether they are visions, dreams, daydreams, imaginings or memories.

Ok.. Feel like I have to repeat this here... wrote it in the Tiberius thread...
Jack and Kate were together during one if his visions... I remember he asked her if she had seen what he had seen... So they don't love eachother then? Since she was unable to see his vision??

No need to apologzie, Tabby. You're right to bring up the ambiguity about the "dreams" or "visions," and I guess the point is that with the Sawyer/Kate, Sayid/Shannon visions, it is a way to confirm that they are physically seeing these things, because more than one person is a witness.

Myha: I think it's an interesting point about Kate and Jack. Yes? Maybe?

Maybe the question is: What will come out of these visions??
Kate does have Sawyer to confirm her vision. Shannon died, so now Sayid doesn't have anyone to confirm that he's not crazy....
Ok, they may show the connection, but in that case, are those two couples the only ones who have true love, or is it something else behind it...??

Sesotris: yes, thanks...I meant to mention Jin re Hurley's dream...does it mean something is "leaking thru" something else (sorry) since it may have been true Korean and Hurley (to our knowledge) doesn't speak Korean?
And, conversely, (non-dream) Jin seems to understand a whole lot more English than perhaps he even realizes. I suppose you spend enough time with English speakers you start picking things up, but ... he seems to be picking things up particularly quickly. Michael seems to be picking up some Korean too.

I think it's an interesting point about Kate and Jack. Yes? Maybe?
Kate and Jack may not have a connection, then again Sayid didn't see Walt at first either. Which brings me to another conundrum... I'm not sure Sayid telling Shannon he loved her was so much a catalyst as opposed to him saying/knowing he believed in her. The shared / mutual experiences may not necessarily be so much about love (but not negating it either) as some sort of as yet inexplicable connection which I really don't have any decent spec for outside of the realms of intense sci-fi.... so I suppose love is as good an answer as any. ;)

Although if I were going to drawback to the Lost library, in L'Engle's A Wrinkle in Time, love was indeed the answer. ;)

Ok, they may show the connection, but in that case, are those two couples the only ones who have true love, or is it something else behind it...??

Good question. It will be interesting to see if Rose and Bernard or Sun and Jin share any visions, which would support this love theory (which I really like).

Or maybe it only applies to people who are connecting ON the island, not those who were connected before? Sayid makes a point of saying he and Shannon never would have met except for the crash.

So, sister, I was looking for the "Love is patient, love is kind," and I found this. which I find much more interesting. It's not exactly the love that we are talking about, but, I think you'll understand my need to post this (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=4&chapter=14&verse=18&version=31&context=verse):

'The LORD is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation.' Numbers 14:18

off to tib's thread...

todell and cmcdtv: Speaking of love, are you two really sisters? I'd always thought you were speaking metaphorically.

Nope! Really sisters! I'm the elder, sadly.

ETA: BY THE WAY OH MY GOD CMCD! I LOOOOOOOVE IT!!!

this has somewhat to do with this thread. i saw today where the pope was going to rule out limbo and as far-fetched as this is.... could it be possible that this is a judgement or temporary place that lets people finish what they couldnt in real lfe?i mean it seems as though people are working out their life's problems. Also, Shannon longed for someone to truly love her and believe in her and Sayid did. The island took her away. Boone finally got to be the hero in his eyes, by doing what Locke couldnt and risking his life to make contact for everyone.

Zstrata: i love your idea. It rocks. (I just wanted to say that b/c my ideas always seem to suck)

Todell...I didn't want to start a new thread for this...re epi What Kate Did...

Considering Kate's flashback...her bio-father Wayne and her fake-father...Sawyer saying "why did you kill me?" when apparently perceived by Kate to be Wayne...the black horse...

Nonetheless...about Sawyer saying "I love(d) her" while Jack was tending him pre-Shannon's-funeral: perhaps Sawyer's statement was not directly associated with Kate, Wayne, or Sawyer, as many have interpreted.

Obviously Sawyer did not attend Shannon's funeral, due to being asleep or unconscious, and Jack did attend. Maybe due to the electromagnetic oddities, Dharma experimentation and a time ripple, somehow Sawyer's mind was picking up Sayid's
"I love(d) her" statement at Shannon's funeral.

I know anything is possible on LOST, but I haven't seen this particular interpretation specificly addressed. Most seem to think it was Wayne coming through Sawyer, or Sawyer loving Kate.

with LOVE on my mind, i picked up this quote in a johnny cash song..

the path to happiness is through love and charity....

Todell...I didn't want to start a new thread for this...re epi What Kate Did...

Considering Kate's flashback...her bio-father Wayne and her fake-father...Sawyer saying "why did you kill me?" when apparently perceived by Kate to be Wayne...the black horse...

Nonetheless...about Sawyer saying "I love(d) her" while Jack was tending him pre-Shannon's-funeral: perhaps Sawyer's statement was not directly associated with Kate, Wayne, or Sawyer, as many have interpreted.

Obviously Sawyer did not attend Shannon's funeral, due to being asleep or unconscious, and Jack did attend. Maybe due to the electromagnetic oddities, Dharma experimentation and a time ripple, somehow Sawyer's mind was picking up Sayid's
"I love(d) her" statement at Shannon's funeral.

I know anything is possible on LOST, but I haven't seen this particular interpretation specificly addressed. Most seem to think it was Wayne coming through Sawyer, or Sawyer loving Kate.

That is a very clever interpretation and I kinda LOVE it.

PS bigmouth, Todell has been putting up with her little sister tagging along after her everywhere for quite some time now..

Obviously Sawyer did not attend Shannon's funeral, due to being asleep or unconscious, and Jack did attend. Maybe due to the electromagnetic oddities, Dharma experimentation and a time ripple, somehow Sawyer's mind was picking up Sayid's
"I love(d) her" statement at Shannon's funeral.
Tabby: Wow, wow, wow! I love this, too!

cmcdtv and todell: Makes sense that two of my favorite posters on the fuselage would turn out to be related. That is so cool!

PS: You guys are really lucky. I wish I had a sib with whom to talk Lost. The closest I get is my 90-year old gradma, who's also into the show.

That is a very clever interpretation and I kinda LOVE it.

Thanks, cmcdtv..."we shall see"...or not.

Re life and LOST...having read discussions about Hanso/Dharma/how it's all about money, I choose to believe that it's all about LOVE. :sweety: Thank you, Todell, this is a great thread!

ETA:
Tabby: Wow, wow, wow! I love this, too!
Thanks, bigmouth...just saw that after I posted!

Maybe due to the electromagnetic oddities, Dharma experimentation and a time ripple, somehow Sawyer's mind was picking up Sayid's
"I love(d) her" statement at Shannon's funeral.

Very interesting! To further support this possibility, did you notice that Sawyer mumbled "Where is she?" to Jack exactly like the Marshall did?

Very interesting! To further support this possibility, did you notice that Sawyer mumbled "Where is she?" to Jack exactly like the Marshall did?
Now that you mention it.

Sorry, Todell, for going off topic, although we got into this with the "I love(d) her" lines...

Many have been noticing that lines are being repeated throughout the show and that there are oddities with time...it just seems "clear" to me that people's thoughts and words are blending or collecting "somewhere" and being poured, spilled or echoed out through someone else. And it doesn't seem limited to the people who are still alive. Need I mention the whispers? Those are especially blended. Is the "somewhere" a computer? The island? A Master Mind?
ETA: Is it "just" collective consciousness? /ETA
ETA2: Maybe the "incident" (also) caused the leaks in the container? /ETA2

OK...back to Love! cmcdtv...kimbers mentioned the chess knight, the "L" move and L=Love on Tib's thread today...

Sorry, Todell, for going off topic, although we got into this with the "I love(d) her" lines...


It's not off-topic at all, in fact, your idea about Sawyer's comment being related to Sayid was verrrry interesting, and I think might help me further some thoughts I've been trying to untangle...

Very interesting! To further support this possibility, did you notice that Sawyer mumbled "Where is she?" to Jack exactly like the Marshall did?


And isn't there a thread around here about repeated lines? I think that's really interesting, belshep. Hmmm...

Good stuff here. Really good stuff.

However, I was thinking about that scene where Sawyer said "I love her" and later said "Why did you kill me?". What if it has nothing to do with Kate? He was delusional and sick as a dog. Couldn't he have been remembering something from his past, something that occured with Hibbs? Hibbs ended up hurting someone that was close to Sawyer. I'm not sure how "Why did you kill me?" fits into this yet, though. Just an idea I wanted to throw out.

Heck, maybe it goes back to the Tampa job.

Yeah--I'm not convinced that Sawyer was talking about Kate, either, although Jack sure seemed to be. Of course, Sawyer could have been channeling Frank, the guy he killed. Didn't he hear him saying it'll come back around in the whispers?

He sure did. That was probably my favorite Sawyer episode. As for channeling Frank, I'm not sure. But, I wouldn't discount the possibility.

(Quotes from Todell):
It's not off-topic at all, in fact, your idea about Sawyer's comment being related to Sayid was verrrry interesting, and I think might help me further some thoughts I've been trying to untangle...
Hope so!

I started a Mind Control theory thread recently if that helps...
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=635276&highlight=Mind+Control#post635276

And isn't there a thread around here about repeated lines? I think that's really interesting, belshep. Hmmm...

The Long Lost List has a category for them...

Many have been noticing that lines are being repeated throughout the show and that there are oddities with time...it just seems "clear" to me that people's thoughts and words are blending or collecting "somewhere" and being poured, spilled or echoed out through someone else. And it doesn't seem limited to the people who are still alive.

And I just checked the transcript for Tabula Rasa - the Marshall also tries to strangle Kate while he's semi-conscious, just like Sawyer did. Jack then yells at her "Kate, what did you do?", just like Diane did.

And I just checked the transcript for Tabula Rasa - the Marshall also tries to strangle Kate while he's semi-conscious, just like Sawyer did. Jack then yells at her "Kate, what did you do?", just like Diane did.
Oh my! I didn't catch that Diane's line matched.

Also, just saw comments on the "Lost Smells" thread and it appears smells may be "blending and leaking". So not only thoughts (can't be proven though), lines, and whispers. Sulphur in hatch shower, gas smell at Wayne's house. Now we just need someone to cook bacon for breakfast and we'll match up that dream (Sawyer's)? Has anyone on the beach mentioned smelling bacon from a boar?

ETA: reworded last paragraph

Also, just saw comments on the "Lost Smells" thread and it appears smells may be "blending and leaking". So not only thoughts (can't be proven though), lines, and whispers. Sulphur in hatch shower, gas smell at Wayne's house. Now we just need someone to cook bacon for breakfast and we'll match up that dream (Sawyer's)? Has anyone on the beach mentioned smelling bacon from a boar?

Ana mentions hearing boars and.says they could have some bacon for breakfast...I think it was in "48 Days" - I'll look for a transcript, but I don't think she mentioned smells.

EDIT: No smells, just mention of bacon.

Ana trying to create a sharp edge on a wooden weapon.]

GOODWIN: That'll work.

ANA: Eh, I heard a pig or something out there. Maybe we can have some bacon tomorrow. [She looks at the kids, and notices Goodwin staring at her] What?


I'm also thinking more about this blending and leaking and I think it DOES relate to love...or something that the Lostaways are led to believe is love. Perhaps the connection between Kate and Sayer is what's allowing this blending to happen.

Sayid and Shannon are different, they shared whispers and the Walt sighting - I don't recall the same kind of blending of the past and present that we see with Kate and Sawyer. But maybe the ultimate goal (of whatever is going on) is to have them all share the same memories and perceptions.

I'm also thinking more about this blending and leaking and I think it DOES relate to love...or something that the Lostaways are led to believe is love.

And maybe not limited to that, but physical proximity. Two people together might more strongly draw in or attract those "receptions".


Perhaps the connection between Kate and Sayer is what's allowing this blending to happen.

Sayid and Shannon are different, they shared whispers and the Walt sighting - I don't recall the same kind of blending of the past and present that we see with Kate and Sawyer. But maybe the ultimate goal (of whatever is going on) is to have them all share the same memories and perceptions.
Could be.

If you read or hear the whispers, depending on how you interpret them, there was blending of past and present with Sayid and Shannon.

We might as well throw the future into this "container" due to Locke's and Boone's dreams and my previous interpretation of: "I love(d) her".

And maybe not limited to that, but physical proximity. Two people together might more strongly draw in or attract those "receptions".

We might as well throw the future into this "container" due to Locke's and Boone's dreams and my previous interpretation of: "I love(d) her".

YES! This is the most plausible explanation for Locke's vision about "Theresa falls up the stairs, etc" that I've heard. Maybe love is just one of the connections needed for blending/leaking - maybe proximity and strong bonds of other kinds all have the same effect.

YES! This is the most plausible explanation for Locke's vision about "Theresa falls up the stairs, etc" that I've heard. Maybe love is just one of the connections needed for blending/leaking - maybe proximity and strong bonds of other kinds all have the same effect.
Could we say...magnetic attraction ? Lots of speculation going on about those durned electromagnetic properties of the Swan Hatch sector!

Could we say...magnetic attraction ? Lots of speculation going on about those durned electromagnetic properties of the Swan Hatch sector!

Yes, quite true...it's possible that the reception phenomena kick in in certain geographic locations. Could explain the extent of blending between Sawyer and Kate, since they were in the hatch and between Boone and Locke since they were right on top of it. I am REALLY loving this theory, it's starting to make sense of things that seemed inexplicable.

Yes, quite true...it's possible that the reception phenomena kick in in certain geographic locations. Could explain the extent of blending between Sawyer and Kate, since they were in the hatch and between Boone and Locke since they were right on top of it. I am REALLY loving this theory, it's starting to make sense of things that seemed inexplicable.

And of course, there is a great deal of speculation about that pipe (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=775&pos=806) that Sayid may have tripped over when he was running to Shannon. What were they standing on top of in that scene?

All is Fair in LOVE and WAR!!

LOVE this thread

Wars can be lost or won, but in the battle waged inside a man's soul only love can heal the wounds.

this was from a link lacenaire had to an outer limits episode called the black box

and

are we dealing with unrequited love on the ISLAND?

Fergne came, and took Aengus aside. 'The only thing that could be causing your illness,' he said, 'is unrequited love.'

And of course, there is a great deal of speculation about that pipe (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=775&pos=806) that Sayid may have tripped over when he was running to Shannon. What were they standing on top of in that scene?

Todell, I honestly can't tell for sure if that's a pipe or not, but it would make sense if it was.

Another thought I've had about Shannon and Sayid is that perhaps Walt was the catalyst for their blending - maybe he is projecting something that enabled them to share perceptions.

The reason I consider this is that the first time Shannon hears the whispers and sees Walt, she is relatively close to the camp (that's when she went looking for the runaway Vincent), so it's doubtful that anything (like a hatch or pipes) was that close without the other Lostaways having discovered it. Walt is again present when Shannon and Sayid both hear whispers and see him in the jungle.

Walt's proximity could also explain why everyone in the Tailie group heard whispers before AL shot Shannon - Walt was close by and he may be stimulating something that breaks down the barriers between individual perceptions and creates a shared experience.

maybe it's Divine Intervention = LOVE :heart:
Tiberius thread (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=647857&postcount=1748)

All is Fair in LOVE and WAR!!

LOVE this thread

Since I brought up new order in Tabby's thread about Jin working at the Seoul Gateway hotel (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=29401) and you replied with Joy divison's love will tear us apart (http://www.iancurtis.org/songs/lovewilltearusapart.html)I thought it should be introduced here as well. Considering the band's Nazi (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=655898&postcount=15)connections and todell's ww2 connections, thought it was worth mentioning...

The lyrics from the song could be applied to all four of the people in couples that we've talked about, Sayid and Kate in particular. (also reminds me of shannon/boone)

cmc,, i've been trying to some thoughts together on LOVE and FAITH...

if LOVE will tear us apart ------- what will/can FAITH (of lack of) do

cmc,, i've been trying to some thoughts together on LOVE and FAITH...

if LOVE will tear us apart ------- what will/can FAITH (of lack of) do

Well, if all I have to go on are New order/ Joy Division references, nothing very good, from True Faith (http://www.worldinmotion.net/neworder/lyrics/substance.htm):

When I was a very small boy,
Very small boys talked to me
Now that we've grown up together
They're afraid of what they see
That's the price that we all pay
And the value of destiny comes to nothing
I can't tell you where we're going
I guess there was just no way of knowing
I used to think that the day would never come
I'd see delight in the shade of the morning sun
My morning sun is the drug that brings me near
To the childhood I lost, replaced by fear
I used to think that the day would never come
That my life would depend on the morning sun...

The second verse, that I chose to post reminds me of both Walt and Locke, respectively. And, in addition, I suppose it could also connect us to Charlie since it is supposed to be about a person recovering from heroin addiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Faith)(two notes, I disagree with the first line that the web site gives for temptation. Years ago, when the song was on Trainspotting soundtrack I saw the words printed somewhere, but maybe I'm wrong, cos I always assumed True Faith was about cocaine)

Maybe I should start a thread for New Wave song references so I don't keep hijacking other people's threads with silly thoughts.

cmc,

i dont think so (on hijacking thread).. .it all fits..

To the childhood I lost, replaced by fear
I used to think that the day would never come
That my life would depend on the morning sun...

Interesting the reference to something being LOST and replaced by fear... maybe FEAR goes away when what was LOST is found (locke paralysis; boone letting go of shannon; shannon feeling worthy)..

and life depending on the sun rising (Tib says the count starts each dawn)

Oh my! I didn't catch that Diane's line matched.

Also, just saw comments on the "Lost Smells" thread and it appears smells may be "blending and leaking". So not only thoughts (can't be proven though), lines, and whispers. Sulphur in hatch shower, gas smell at Wayne's house. Now we just need someone to cook bacon for breakfast and we'll match up that dream (Sawyer's)? Has anyone on the beach mentioned smelling bacon from a boar?

ETA: reworded last paragraph

Charlie mentioned a dream he had to Claire where he was on a school bus and "everything smelled of bacon."

Todell, I have to find it but way........back, I wished Love would be the answer.

Todell, I have to find it but way........back, I wished Love would be the answer.
Sam! I ran across that thread just tonight! Now if I could just remember which one it was...

I meant to post on this earlier. Slate has been running a series of interviews with people regarding the Meaning of Life. One of these interviews is with Lorenzo Albacete (http://meaningoflife.tv/video.php?speaker=albacete&topic=complete)(from the web site):

Monsignor Lorenzo Albacete, formerly a physicist, a professor of theology at St. Joseph's Seminary in New York, and president of the Catholic University of Puerto Rico, is now national director of the lay movement Communion and Liberation. His essays have appeared in the New Yorker and the New York Times Magazine.

first, he begins with a quotation from Flannery O'Connor (which reminded me of you) and then the interview begins to discuss the infinite the eternal.

Lorenzo says that at the moment you understand love, you have lost it...

Hi everyone....mind if I crash this thread? It is a subject near and dear to my heart.

I too, believe that L(ost)=Love. In the basic sense, the losties are all dealing with their own love that has been lost. The big question is: Have they been brought to this place in this time to find their true love(s)? Or perhaps to learn to love themselves?

I am of the camp that doesn't believe there is only one "soulmate" for everyone. I do feel that there are certain paths that have been destined for me. I can choose to take them or not. But each path has ultimately led to love - I discovered my husband, and through that discovered the wonderous love I've experienced being a mother to my boys.

Love - Devil's Dictionary (http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=love&gwp=8)

love
n.

A temporary insanity curable by marriage or by removal of the patient from the influences under which he incurred the disorder. This disease, like caries and many other ailments, is prevalent only among civilized races living under artificial conditions; barbarous nations breathing pure air and eating simple food enjoy immunity from its ravages. It is sometimes fatal, but more frequently to the physician than to the patient.


cmc....I commented on your link with Mons. Albacete at the LOyal thread. It was a wonderful interview...thanks for sharing. As far as Lorenzo is concerned....if you think about it, how do you define love? How does one describe love to someone who has never experienced it? Sheesh....I can't do it.

Also from answers.com

There are many different types of love: the love for a soul or mind, love for laws and organizations, love for a body, love for nature, love for food, love for money, love for learning, love for power, love for fame, love for the respect of others, etc. Different people find different types of love more important, and better, than others. Love is abstract, and there are many questions about it.

kimbers shuts her yap and resigns to scratching her head and pondering....

From S2/Live Together, Die Alone:


DESMOND: It's a wee bit complicated. As of yet, I don't actually have a boat. [Libby looks sad] Sorry, did I say something wrong?
LIBBY: I have a boat. It was my husband's but he got sick. He wanted to sail the Mediterranean -- he never -- he passed away about a month ago.
DESMOND: I'm sorry.
LIBBY: I want you to have it.
DESMOND: I can't take your boat, miss.
LIBBY: But you have to. He'd want you to.
DESMOND: What was your husband's name?
LIBBY: David.
DESMOND: And what did he name his boat?
LIBBY: Elizabeth. He named it after me.
DESMOND: Then I thank you, Elizabeth. And I shall win this race for love.

There was the box of Desmond's letters to Penny that were intercepted by her father, Widmore. Desmond and Penny are star-crossed lovers that seem to be trying to get back together. Desmond went on the race to regain his honor, and Penny seems to be trying to find Desmond, via the foreign station workers at the end of the epi.
100%
This is interesting:
(http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=50897)
According to an article in Sci Fi Wire, romance and love are going to be more prevalent in Season 3. See this spoiler thread link (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=50897).
(http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=50897)

TabbyRasa! Thanks for digging this old nugget back up!

You know...it's a shame that I had forgotten about this thread during Dave. It's interesting that Libby never witnesses Dave, and confirms that he is there for Hurley the way that Sawyer and Sayid confirmed for Kate and Shannon that their visions were real. But, while Libby claims to not have seen Dave, she does confirm to Hurley that he is not crazy, and that the island is not a hallucination.

Poor Hurley.

Sam! I ran across that thread just tonight! Now if I could just remember which one it was...
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=65484&postcount=1

I found it.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=65484&postcount=1

I found it.

Ack. Couldn't get there via the link. What's it called?

Ack. Couldn't get there via the link. What's it called?
1/20/05 Sam G

I've been thinking for a while how none of the
survivors are wondering what their friends
or family are going through. And
then I thought, maybe, what they have
in common is that in each case, whoever they
had in their lives would be relieved by their
death, relieved that they are not
complicating their lives anymore. Very sad.

Here's me being sappy. I'd like LOVE to be the answer. It's all you
have in the end. Too simple I guess.

The link worked for me but here's what I said.