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Delta

12-01-2005, 04:47 AM

Yep, I think it's a roll of gauze too. At first I thought it might be the bottom of a bowl, but that would be a very small bowl. And it seems a bit large to be a glass eye. :biggrin:

I can clearly see the hand with the horse in the picture linked above, but I can't physically see it when viewing through my (non-HDTV) TV tuner card, as it's off the screen... makes me wonder what else I'm missing... :frown:

jbdean

12-01-2005, 04:48 AM

I think I see what you're looking for, but I think it's just a roll of gauze. Cap:

http://thewce.com/images/lost1.jpg
Yea, it's a roll of gauze or tape. It's way too big to be a glass eye.

DC_Camel

12-01-2005, 05:11 AM

Unless the monster only has one eye!

VoyagerCSL

12-01-2005, 05:27 AM

Rawwwwr!

LostPack

12-01-2005, 05:47 AM

rite b4 kate goes to touch the horse i swear i saw a hand on the right side of the screen. did any1 else c this?

First off, no I didn't "c" a hand, but will look when I rewatch.
Second.. one of the most useful features on the fuselage is being able to search threads to find previously posted things. However - the title of the thread - "did any1 c the hand" would make searching impossible - it's not like the word "one" or "see" is oh so long - both add only 4 characters and would make it much easier to find.

Same goes for "right before kate" mentioned above. So Please.. please.. take an extra second to type out full words :smile:

nyawka

12-01-2005, 06:00 AM

r4stl1n

12-01-2005, 06:56 AM

I favor all keyboards be fitted with devices to shock people when they type using "internet shorthand", ie 133tsp3Ak.
Quite different. The OP was using text-speak, which is common for mobile-phone text-messaging and instant messaging (MSN, AIM, ICQ, etc.). Most people using this method to generate posts are often not taken seriously.

"133tsp34k" or however many variants of the spelling was used to get around word filters and was commonly used by hackers who, as we all know, probably type better than most people on these forums. :D

On topic: didn't see anything like a hand, but when I first saw the horse it looked like it had a white patch on it's hindquarters. I didn't see it in the final scene, though.

Shawshank

12-01-2005, 08:27 AM

I can clearly see the hand. Its defiantely there. I just went here to see if anyone else caught it.

conspiricytheory

12-01-2005, 08:37 AM

The hand is there, but it is obviously a production mistake. As has been said before, this is a big budget show in Hawaii with live animals being used. It is not hard to miss a car driving off in the background or miss a black gloved hand of a trainer trying to get the horse to do what it is supposed to do for the scene.

twinkies

12-01-2005, 08:55 AM

I looked and looked and I never saw a white car driving up hill while Anna and Nathan were eating fruit and talking.

VoyagerCSL

12-01-2005, 11:16 AM

Also, you could have written "NE1" instead of "any1". Way to waste my time making me read a whole extra character.

johnnywishbone

12-01-2005, 12:22 PM

I was too busy looking on the horse for a Dharma stamp, like the one that the shark had on it........can't say I saw it though. Anyone?? :cnfused1:

Vertical

12-01-2005, 12:37 PM

I would have answered this thread's question, but I don't speak TXT. Please type the whole words. Use English.

NomadontheGo

12-01-2005, 12:40 PM

Nitpicky people....

Vertical

12-01-2005, 12:42 PM

Nitpicky people....

No, adults. Welcome to the world outside of high school.

PosseGal

12-01-2005, 01:19 PM

No, adults. Welcome to the world outside of high school.

I'll second that!! TXT speak is annoying, almost as annoying as intentionally misspelled words...(e.g. Qwik Dri).

The hand obviously belongs to the horse trainer. But if they shoot in a jungle, why didn't the trainer wear green gloves?

I have decided that any real clues on the show are going to be more of the "in your face" variety. TPTB put little "easter eggs" in the show for the rampant viewers' enjoyment (aka Sayid on the TV set in last night's episode), but those aren't true clues.

Did not see a DHARMA brand on the horse.

Vertical

12-01-2005, 01:25 PM

NomadontheGo

12-01-2005, 01:32 PM

Vertical, aside from being closer to my 10-year reunion than actually being in highschool, I was *not* talking about your little text speak argument as I could care less. I was talking about the original topic of the thread, the reference to the hand in the picture as it is obviously neither intentional nor in any way related to the story. If it's anything, it's a slight mishap in filming with the animal wrangler. Get a life.

BlockBusterBillionaire

12-01-2005, 01:41 PM

NomadontheGo

12-01-2005, 01:44 PM

Suck_Shaft - LMAO!!!

KLJ

12-01-2005, 01:46 PM

toaddodger

12-01-2005, 01:47 PM

No, adults. Welcome to the world outside of high school.

I wouldn't agree that intolerance of another person's desire to express themself in a way that they choose is called being an "adult". Besides, that type of judgemental statement isn't exactly post-High School either.

Live and let live. He/she's just being creative and I hardly see that as negative simply because it's an annoyance to some people.

Anyways, I'm with the group that says the hand is just a production error, unless during the next show Kate is talking about a gloved person she saw and not just a horse. Further, wouldn't she have introducted herself to the gloved hand before petting the gloved person's horse?

BlockBusterBillionaire

12-01-2005, 01:57 PM

lol.. thanks for giving me my first good laugh of the day.. :biggrin:

It's good to laugh and I'm glad I could be a part of it. Especially since we wont have any new episodes until January.. Cheers!

Vertical

12-01-2005, 02:27 PM

I wouldn't agree that intolerance of another person's desire to express themself in a way that they choose is called being an "adult". Besides, that type of judgemental statement isn't exactly post-High School either. Well, welcome to the club of judgemental people. I apologize for preferring actual English.

PhillyGirl2873

12-01-2005, 03:15 PM

I'll second that!! TXT speak is annoying, almost as annoying as intentionally misspelled words...(e.g. Qwik Dri).

The hand obviously belongs to the horse trainer. But if they shoot in a jungle, why didn't the trainer wear green gloves?

I have decided that any real clues on the show are going to be more of the "in your face" variety. TPTB put little "easter eggs" in the show for the rampant viewers' enjoyment (aka Sayid on the TV set in last night's episode), but those aren't true clues.

Did not see a DHARMA brand on the horse.

I agree with you, except for the spelling statement. I can't use the spell check on the new board, so I am constantly making spelling errors and typos.

Vertical, aside from being closer to my 10-year reunion than actually being in highschool, I was *not* talking about your little text speak argument as I could care less. I was talking about the original topic of the thread, the reference to the hand in the picture as it is obviously neither intentional nor in any way related to the story. If it's anything, it's a slight mishap in filming with the animal wrangler. Get a life.

Get used to the nit picking. It can be annoying, but every little thing gets picked apart here. Continuoty errors, production errors, etc. I've seen at least half a dozen threads on nit picking topics so far today.

edited to add: Oh look at that. You've been here for awhile, so you should know that nit picking is common.

lost_knight

12-01-2005, 03:29 PM

For those that DIDN'T see the hand....here's my HIGH-DEF SNAPSHOT. I can't believe some of you didn't see it! I think it was NOT a MISTAKE!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/dannyboy911/horsehand.jpg

Man how did I miss that during the episode, I usually pay strong attention to detail. lol

Sorry but because of the earlier mention of leet, I just had to get this message out of my system. Here is teh message...

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izeisler

12-01-2005, 03:53 PM

Check out these screenshots you can see a hand of the horse trainer. The power of HD.

http://gallery.zeislers.com/

yeti

12-01-2005, 03:55 PM

http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=28267

amazonmonkey

12-01-2005, 04:10 PM

Get used to the nit picking. It can be annoying, but every little thing gets picked apart here. Continuoty errors, production errors, etc. I've seen at least half a dozen threads on nit picking topics so far today.

edited to add: Oh look at that. You've been here for awhile, so you should know that nit picking is common.

EXACTLY, well said PG. This is the reason that I can read pretty much any board these days for about a week before I get sick of reading people tear each other apart about the stupidest things before I get sick of it and move along.

I mean come on, I searched for "horse" and "hand" and I have to read 2 pages of crapoloa about leet speak and TXT speak, slams about high school and what not and THAT was a bigger waste of my time than the extra nano-second it took me to process the thread topic.

I thanks those that posted the pics (even the funny one) because those are what I was looking for. And to those that increased your posts on this board to waste time saying you think the topic was anoying.... I C U R 74M3! :biggrin:

CaptainKidd

12-01-2005, 04:15 PM

Is it really that much of a hassle to type entire words?

If it is, then people should not be on here, don't you think?

I favor all keyboards be fitted with devices to shock people when they type using "internet shorthand", ie 133tsp3Ak.

Where can I cast my vote to pass this legislation?

LostApril

12-01-2005, 04:20 PM

I was too busy looking on the horse for a Dharma stamp, like the one that the shark had on it........can't say I saw it though. Anyone?? :cnfused1:

I was doing the same...*wheres the logo??*...sadly, i was disappointed in not finding one.

riceroy

12-01-2005, 09:19 PM

ok in the scene when sawyer and kate are outside and sawyer see the horse and it shows the horse, you can see someone with black gloves on the right hand side. YOU MUST HAVE HD WIDESCREEN TO SEE IT. i think its the horse keeper/trainer because then they would have seen the person. but check it out.

riceroy

12-01-2005, 09:22 PM

http://www.ricestudios.com/lost/s2e09/hand.jpg

Archangel

12-01-2005, 10:25 PM

Quite different. The OP was using text-speak, which is common for mobile-phone text-messaging and instant messaging (MSN, AIM, ICQ, etc.). Most people using this method to generate posts are often not taken seriously.

"133tsp34k" or however many variants of the spelling was used to get around word filters and was commonly used by hackers who, as we all know, probably type better than most people on these forums. :D

On topic: didn't see anything like a hand, but when I first saw the horse it looked like it had a white patch on it's hindquarters. I didn't see it in the final scene, though.

It's not widely used on computer chat programs among adults. The only place I personally condone its use is text messaging on phones because there is no keyboard and having to use the number pad to cycle through letters is slow. If you have a keyboard, shorthand is just laziness.

On a related note typos don't bother me as long as I can read what you wrote, god knows I make enough of them.

It also frightens me that I could read that 133tspeak sentence above with little effort :biggrin:

joeywally

12-01-2005, 10:35 PM

For those that DIDN'T see the hand....here's my HIGH-DEF SNAPSHOT. I can't believe some of you didn't see it! I think it was NOT a MISTAKE!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/dannyboy911/horsehand.jpg

lol....This is great, just what this thread needed. There is a lot that goes into making a show like this. I know it's Lost and there are a lot of hidden clues, but sometimes a horse trainers hand is just a horse trainers hand!

BlockBusterBillionaire

12-01-2005, 10:57 PM

lol....This is great, just what this thread needed. There is a lot that goes into making a show like this. I know it's Lost and there are a lot of hidden clues, but sometimes a horse trainers hand is just a horse trainers hand!

Damn right Joe....can't we all just get along?

Pretty_Generic

12-01-2005, 11:06 PM

I know it seems dumb, but it actually ruined my suspension of disbelief for the episode. It was so blatant! Please edit it out as soon as possible for repeats, and certainly for the DVD.

piscescat

12-01-2005, 11:09 PM

Loved the gorilla shot!

CaKarst

12-01-2005, 11:10 PM

What hand?

Pretty_Generic

12-01-2005, 11:11 PM

Here's a picture in case you missed it. (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/dannyboy911/horsehand.jpg)

:grin:

Pretty_Generic

12-01-2005, 11:12 PM

No, seriously, it's here. (http://ucl.ac.uk/~zccax08/lostwtf.JPG) Go right from the horse's eyes. It's the horse-wrangler's gloved hand. In motion it's particularly obvious.

Moriquenya

12-01-2005, 11:15 PM

Here's a picture in case you missed it. (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/dannyboy911/horsehand.jpg)

:grin:

LMAO!!

magpie_roost

12-01-2005, 11:18 PM

Nice catch, but I hope they don't edit it out for the DVD. I'd rather see all the original mistakes/errors than wonder what else they editied out from the original airings...

Just my opinion (though having it trash your suspension of disbelief is a bummer :( )

Pretty_Generic

12-01-2005, 11:26 PM

IN THE NEXT EPISODE OF LOST: Michael upgrades to OSX Tiger with iChat, gets mauled by a tiger

Kelvin not Calvin

12-01-2005, 11:50 PM

Maybe it was an OTHER! And they love horses as well as children!

Aversion

12-01-2005, 11:51 PM

I think this really shows how hard it is to read stuff into every little facet of this show. If something like this gets through to broadcast imagine how many other little things they've missed that have prompted people to write threads pages long with conspiracy theories.

LostFANatic91

12-02-2005, 12:01 AM

Yea, we know. It was probably a mistake. Oh well, can't be perfect :)

Aversion

12-02-2005, 12:03 AM

Check out all the other posts about this. It was a remarkably obvious
mistake.

DOMinatrix

12-02-2005, 12:12 AM

LOL!!
i never noticed it before... thanks for posting the pic!

BlockBusterBillionaire

12-02-2005, 12:14 AM

No, seriously, it's here. (http://ucl.ac.uk/~zccax08/lostwtf.JPG) Go right from the horse's eyes. It's the horse-wrangler's gloved hand. In motion it's particularly obvious.

Hey Pretty_Generic,

What software do you use to screen capture? If you could Private Message me that would be great. Thanks! - Suck

Pretty_Generic

12-02-2005, 12:14 AM

Exactly. The show is made very quickly, and I think we'll find that a lot of the intricacies that have been noticed are, well, accidental. Oh well.

Pretty_Generic

12-02-2005, 12:16 AM

Pretty_Generic

12-02-2005, 12:18 AM

Oh yeah, actually, you might have to go into Windows Media Player and select Tools --- Options --- Performance --- Advanced --- High Quality mode.

geophurry

12-02-2005, 12:52 AM

I hate to be the one to say this (and without a pic to prove it, I'll try and host one somewhere,) but I'm not so sure about this hand. If you take the image into Photoshop and play with the levels, you'll find most of the "glove" separates into the shadows of the leaves. I think we are looking at a branch, much like the infamous "cigarette pack" of a few episodes back. Otherwise, what's left to be a hand would have to be a skeletal one, seeing how thin it is. I could be wrong, and I know they make mistakes, but this show isn't total ammature hour. Unlike the car, the trainer's hand is a known factor like the boom mic, and there are probably at least a dozen people looking at the shot as they're shooting it, specifically looking to see if the mic, or a flag, or someone's hand gets in frame.

BlockBusterBillionaire

12-02-2005, 01:04 AM

Suck_Shaft, I use a little thing called Microsoft Windows.:grin:

Obtain a 100% legal copy of Lost from your Tivo or somesuch (because getting it from BitTorrent would be morally wrong), and then press Alt-PrintScreen, and paste into Paint or somesuch graphics program.

I've always known about that.....

Oh yeah, actually, you might have to go into Windows Media Player and select Tools --- Options --- Performance --- Advanced --- High Quality mode.

But didn't know about this! Thanks!

flora

12-02-2005, 01:06 AM

I guess this is one instance where it's actually better not to have HDTV.

I <3 my old tv and rabbit ears~!

shanzy288

12-02-2005, 01:17 AM

http://www.ricestudios.com/lost/s2e09/hand.jpg

don't the guys at LOST realize how their show is looked at under the microscope. They're not allowed to make mistakes.

sickotriz

12-02-2005, 01:20 AM

I guess this is one instance where it's actually better not to have HDTV.

I <3 my old tv and rabbit ears~!

HECK YES! I have the same setup right now. My first viewing was goof-free.

riceroy

12-02-2005, 02:46 AM

nyawka

12-02-2005, 04:47 AM

I think it was on the extra disc for season one where they showed the boar handler working with Sawyer and the pig. They did a good job there not showing any of the fencing. but wait, for that kind of money, there really should not be mistakes?

kN3eLb4Z0d

12-02-2005, 05:06 AM

There are 3 different kind of tape for medical use that come in that size and color. One is a paper tape, for those with fragile skin, one a silk tape, good ahesion for us young folks, and another that has tiny perforations, like a plastic tape. The white is the tape, the dark center the middle of the roll.
However, one this show, who knows. It could be the new eyeball talking about eko from oceanicair!

Everyone's missed the mark here completely. Sure, the gauze angle has been done, but what we're really seeing here is a ruse initiated by Sawyer to get a manly back rub from Jack. How'd we miss that?!

tuxxx

12-02-2005, 07:18 AM

It's a mistake -- Just like the car thing. Sometimes, things like this happen... They just do.

if they can't even edit out something this simple, or take another cut i am seriously doubting the ability of the production, camera men, editors and directors of this series.

Another horrendous mistake.
[edit]
AND
not to mention that that hand is holding what looks like a gun. WTF i mean come on.

lildisneyprincess

12-02-2005, 06:06 PM

yeah we saw the hand too-i also think it was the horse trainer getting the horse to look in the direction they wanted it to!!

after looking at it several times its defo a hand not leaves etc!!

Msgrv32

12-02-2005, 06:23 PM

I'm sure the horse just didn't like Lilly too much so they needed to get the "hand" in there

815BlackBox

12-02-2005, 06:28 PM

Alot of complaints about HDTV being a bit too good. Actors in general, etc are complaining that the makeup is being seen more and not disguising age, blemishes, etc.

sickotriz

12-02-2005, 07:33 PM

Well, then it's time for the makeup department to get better.

Oh yeah, and it's actually MONTAND'S ARM being manifested by the Security System.

Yup.:biggrin:

chjones

12-03-2005, 05:58 PM

I apologize if this has been discussed elsewhere, but I think there was a small continuity error near the end of the episode, one that was visible on the HD broadcast only.

When both Kate and Sawyer are looking at the black horse, the horse turns its head to its left. Look at the extreme right edge of the screen, and you can clearly see the gloved hand (and part of the sleeve) of the horse wrangler guiding the equine's movements. Again, this is only visible on the wider-screen HD (in fact, on SD it appears as though the horse is placed right of center in the frame to make sure the arm stays in the cropped area).

Blackadder

12-03-2005, 07:55 PM

Heh. Yep. You can see the arm, clear as day.

Ahwatukian

12-03-2005, 09:06 PM

A little something I was pondering today after re-watching What Kate Did:

Metaphors and the connection to Kate's backstory aside, I think we can safely assume that the horse was real, as in, it was material; alive; touchable. From that, I think it is safe to say that there is definitely a horse on the island! I don't think it is the same horse from Kate's backstory. Could be? Yes. Is that probable and believeable? Not really.

I think one of the keys that the writers use is to weave in metaphors and symbols into the stories to make them so appealing and interesting to the fan base. Now, while Kate seeing this horse during the same episode that we see her backstory involving the horse-caused car wreck may seem like "fate", I say it is very creative literary "coincidence". There has to be a realistic reason why this horse is on the island.

Therefore, I thought of the following:

The horse could be the desendant of horses that were stranded on the island from some event in the past, such as what happened to the Black Rock ship. Perhaps there were horses on board that ship and their lineage has continued to live wild on the island until this time. Perhaps it was another "event", that led to some other shipwreck or stranding, but the Black Rock shipwreck is a pretty good guess. Remember, the writers have stated (in the Official LOST podcast, if I recall correctly) that the island does have some sort of "Bermuda Triangle" effect that causes people and things to become stranded there. In the future episode where we get the back story of the island, I think we'll find out the origins of the horse, just as we will the Black Rock ship, the drug-running plane, Rosseau's party's arrival, Dharma initiative being set up there, etc.

When is that episode's air date next year, anyway? Anyone know?

I'll be cross-posting this on The Fuselage under the same name, so look for it there, as well.

Namaste.

AnalogKid

12-03-2005, 09:27 PM

All good ideas.

What gets me is why it showed up at that point, after Kate remembered about it. They've been there for nearly two months and nobody had seen a horse until that time that we know of.

It's almost like how the Dharma computer apparently wasn't usable to communicate until after Eko and Locke watched the spliced footage that was talking about not using it for communicating.

:wallbash:

Ahwatukian

12-03-2005, 09:32 PM

BTD Greg

12-03-2005, 09:32 PM

Not that it's critical, but I got the impression that the horse was domesticated. Wild horses don't behave like that--no way would a wild horse let you come up and touch it.

My thoughts are the same as Charlie's: there are polar bears on the island (and chickens), why can't there be horses? The fact that Kate happened to see it at that particular time, and that the horse looked just like the horse in her flashback could be a coincidence. Or, as Eko would say, "fate." That, and a really nifty, if somewhat implausable, narrative device.

The island is fully of mysteries. I'm sure it's not the last improbable thing the lostaways will see.

AnalogKid

12-03-2005, 09:39 PM

My thoughts are the same as Charlie's: there are polar bears on the island (and chickens), why can't there be horses?

There's also "monsters" so why can't there be talking orangutans named Joop? :biggrin:

malmeyda

12-03-2005, 09:45 PM

Ok, what about the chicken in "The Other 48 Days"? I think there´s a lot of anymals going around there doing nothing. The horse, the polar bears, the boars, the damn chicken, the sharks, and probably the mapinguari... it´s a big island, we still don´t know whats out there.
About the incident... could it be that maybe everytime someone tryes to make contact and some airplaine is near it gets attracted to the island and crushes? or maybe, when people make contact with the outside, just ruins the experiments? What about what happend to Desmond? What if the people that are in the hatches believe that there is no world out there, but when they find out they try to scape or revolt, endangering the project?
Don´t know, really!! Just askin...

the latin lostie

jbdean

12-03-2005, 09:54 PM

Horses tend to travel in herds, don't they? I thought that, wild or not, wouldn't there be at least one other horse around? If they are decendants from horses on the Black Rock, and now there's just one ... it's a very special horse now. But I do agree that it must have had some kind of human contact to have let Kate come up to it like that at the end. Wild horses aren't just called that because they roam free ... they act wild when you try to get near them or tame them. Someone has been interacting with that horse. Could be the Others, could be Danielle, Desmond ... but I agree that it had to have had human companionship recently.

BTD Greg

12-03-2005, 09:55 PM

There's also "monsters" so why can't there be talking orangutans named Joop? :biggrin:
Exactly!

EDIT: Joop, the talking Oragutan deserves his own thread. And maybe a flashback episode.

joeywally

12-03-2005, 10:59 PM

Remember when Hibbs( I think that was his name ) was on the island stalking Saywer in the form of a boar. Maybe the horse is someone from Kate's past, but helps her instead of stalking her.

AnalogKid

12-03-2005, 11:04 PM

Remember when Hibbs( I think that was his name ) was on the island stalking Saywer in the form of a boar. Maybe the horse is someone from Kate's past, but helps her instead of stalking her.

Oh yeah! But...but...it was only a boar, right? :)

joeywally

12-03-2005, 11:20 PM

Oh yeah! But...but...it was only a boar, right? :)

They never really said. It did stalk Sawyer, which isn't normal boar behavior. Also, Sawyer let the boar go at the end. I think Sawyer thought it was Hibbs as much as Kate thought Sawyer was Wayne.

jbdean

12-04-2005, 03:18 AM

They never really said. It did stalk Sawyer, which isn't normal boar behavior. Also, Sawyer let the boar go at the end. I think Sawyer thought it was Hibbs as much as Kate thought Sawyer was Wayne.
And yet another thing those two have in common! I love it! :biggrin:

ommadawn

12-04-2005, 06:14 AM

Just rewatched that scene again, and had the impression that when Kate throws the marshal out and starts the car, she is about to run him over, and the re-appearence of the horse stopps her from doing so.

smokiman

12-04-2005, 07:06 AM

I don't think that she wanted to run him over, there is no motive for murder. Kate is not a ruthless killer. In fact, she rescues the marshal when they are on the plane from Sidney to LA...

ommadawn

12-04-2005, 07:46 AM

I don't know, I mean, that's what I felt watching it, Kate starts the car, the camera pans to show that the Marshal is just in front of the car, then we see Kate's face, as if she is weighing the situation, and then the horse appears. I am not sure though.

Aaronia

12-04-2005, 08:42 AM

Hi, Ommadawn, I like your idea. It's similar to what I have posted in this other thread:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=28718

It seems to me that the horse always appears in connection with Kate having a chance to help somebody out.

Vashanti

12-04-2005, 12:02 PM

I thought it was more of a "shared vision."

Symbolically representative of Kate's internal struggle with her sicko true father's DNA being part of her, I think that by sharing the vision with Sawyer, and petting the horse at the end, she not only came to terms with that internal struggle, but also symbolically let Sawyer into that hidden tumultuous part of her heart.

Run-on sentence, eh?

Ahwatukian

12-04-2005, 12:26 PM

PosseGal

12-04-2005, 12:48 PM

Remembering the symbolism of the animal and the character..what do horses do when they are in trouble?

Run.

It makes sense that Kate's animal is a horse, it fits in with her issues. Horses do tend to travel in herds, but sometimes horses are loners. A lone horse fits Kate even better.

I think if you are one of the viewers who think this is all about a real plane crash, then the horse ended up there in the hold of The Black Rock, which means there is likely a herd of them elsewhere on the island, the castaways just have not happened upon them yet.

However, for a wild horse to be tame enough for Kate to pet it on the nose is not believable. Horses spook from shadows on the ground.

So, I think the tameness of the horse is another indication that this is all some sort of setup and the horse was put there "for Kate".

dasummahchicka

12-04-2005, 01:18 PM

true, a lot of things happen on the island that cause lead characters to have tie-ins with their own lives/flashbacks, but why would a horse get on the island only for the sake of being symbolic in Kate's life? if she was hallucinating, id be fine with it, but sawyer so it too...so how did it get there?

rubia

12-04-2005, 01:44 PM

A thing that I figured in the scene with Kate, Sawyer and the horse... don't know if anyone catch that, but was identical at the scene that Shannon and Sayid saw Walt.
So, when I saw at 1st time, thought that the horse was real, but when I remind Shannon death... Walt wasn't real in that scene, or was? So I'm more confused now.

P.S.: Sorry by my english...

jbdean

12-04-2005, 01:49 PM

cmsturg

12-04-2005, 08:27 PM

Did anyone else notice the hand on the left side the screen when Kate and Sawyer saw the horse? I believe it was just after Kate said "Do you see that" and sawyer says, "You mean the horse in jungle?” I have a screen grab of the image but I do not have a place to upload it. The hand has a black glove and it appears the person is wearing a multicolored (primarily red) jacket.

Colonel Locke

12-04-2005, 08:40 PM

Some other posters caught this as well. Many has guessed that this is the trainer trying to get the horse to face the way the director's wanted it to.

But this is Lost so...

Ahwatukian

12-04-2005, 08:54 PM

While the symbolism of the horse is accurate, I don't think that it's not a real horse. The fact that it's tame doesn't disprove that. We know there are other people on the island besides our lostaways and there's nothing (yet) to show us that they don't interact with the animals we've seen so far on the island. If the island has real polar bears, why can't it have a real horse? If the writers take this and make it all a hallucination, then I think this will cause us to doubt every single thing we've seen so far as to whether or not it's real or all a hallucination. If the entire show is a hallucination then we've been duped. We've been dealt another "Who shot JR? It was all a dream." The DHARMA Initiative has told us that they worked with animals and there's a good possibility that the horse is part of their experiments.

EXACTLY. You're possibly quite right, that it is a Dharma Initiative "zoology" experiment, or has come to be on the island from some other "incident" involving the island's ability to have things "crash" there and end up stranded.

I seriously doubt those that think it is purely a hallucigenic metaphor... while the writers use these back stories and metaphors to keep things going, I seriously doubt that they'd use the "touchable" horse as one, especially as Kate was not the only witness when she touched it. That black beauty definitely came to live on the island somehow.

Island back-story episode, I can not wait for you!!!

TabbyRasa

12-04-2005, 09:32 PM

Some have noticed that not only was there a black horse statue at Wayne's house, but there was an octagonal box there too. It looks very similar, if not identical, to the one in a screencap of the Swan hatch.

I'm not sure what this means...there are many possibilities...but as others have noted, it seems that there are things from Kate's past (or memory) on the island. Whatever it means, it is interesting...

It wasn't me who noticed...I'm just the messenger.:biggrin:

jbdean

12-04-2005, 09:56 PM

beerwhisperer

12-04-2005, 10:05 PM

I'm definately behind the "hallucination" theory. Perhaps someone has advanced the idea that this is the "sickness" that everyone is worried about?

i_love_dmjgmfna

12-04-2005, 10:12 PM

I've been meaning to check that out.

Colonel Locke

12-04-2005, 10:14 PM

To Kate and Sawyer, this person would have been in full view. This is nothing more than the trainer keeping the horses attention.

mathematic

12-04-2005, 10:21 PM

Yeah, I was thinking too that Kate's symptoms could be the beginning onslaught of the "sickness." How much do we know about the way Danielle's crew was acting before she killed them?

se92692

12-04-2005, 10:22 PM

TabbyRasa

12-04-2005, 10:26 PM

Also, did anyone notice the octagon box on Desmond's coffee table in the bunker? I saw that right off. That shape is in a lot of places!
jbdean...yes, that's what I meant about the octagonal box in the Swan hatch, but I didn't notice the one at Wayne's...also someone noticed that when Michael was standing in the octagonal room at Walt's, he was looking through the box of letters that the nanny had handed to him...could be a subtle hint, theme repitition...

I'm definately behind the "hallucination" theory. Perhaps someone has advanced the idea that this is the "sickness" that everyone is worried about?

beerwhisperer..yes, I've read speculation about that...but I prefer that it's something more along the lines of "pseudo-science" though.

i_love_dmjgmfna

12-04-2005, 10:27 PM

I looked at the picture with the trainer in it, and I don't get it. The trainer was behind the horse, so how could he have been working with the horse?

lostfan88

12-04-2005, 10:31 PM

does anyone have a screen capture? I never noticed this...

jbdean

12-04-2005, 10:33 PM

jbdean...yes, that's what I meant about the octagonal box in the Swan hatch, but I didn't notice the one at Wayne's...also someone noticed that when Michael was standing in the octagonal room at Walt's, he was looking through the box of letters that the nanny had handed to him...could be a subtle hint, theme repitition...

beerwhisperer..yes, I've read speculation about that...but I prefer that it's something more along the lines of "pseudo-science" though.
Oh! LOL I thought you said there was an octagon box in Wayne's house. Too many shapes and so little time! :24:

I don't know though, about seeing the horse as being "the sickness." Sawyer saw it too with no hint from Kate. Didn't he see it before she turned around?
=================
What I'm having trouble with, with those that think it's a hallucination, is that we accept that there are real polar bears on the island after Walt read the comic book ... but some can't accept that a real horse is on the island that looks like the one Kate encountered with the Marshall? I'm just not seeing how one can be accepted and one cannot. Both were seen by more than one person, both were close up. How is one different from another?

i_love_dmjgmfna

12-04-2005, 10:33 PM

I saw one today, let me see if I can find it...

TabbyRasa

12-04-2005, 10:42 PM

There are several odd things about the horse symbolism. When Kate came back from petting the horses head, Sawyer asked her if she knew that horse and Kate said yes. It's interesting that in the flashback when Kate was in the car with the marshall driving, she warned him to watch out for the horse in the road. She saved the horse's life. She had a strange look on her face right before the horse galloped up the slope and she took off in the car. Maybe Kate thinks this is the same horse that she encountered that night and allowed her to escape from the marshall.
And who knows, on that night of the car wreck, maybe she recognized the horse from somewhere...

And on the island, the way she said "yes", after touching the horse, she had a look on her face too...of course, it could just be that she was surprised to see the same horse from the jungle now right outside the hatch. Maybe she thought she imagined it the first time in the jungle, when she was picking apples, and now she thinks it's real because she touched it and Sawyer saw it too.

TabbyRasa

12-04-2005, 10:47 PM

jbdean:
Oh! LOL I thought you said there was an octagon box in Wayne's house. Too many shapes and so little time! :24:

I AM saying that! It looks just like the one in the Swan hatch!!!

I don't know though, about seeing the horse as being "the sickness." Sawyer saw it too with no hint from Kate. Didn't he see it before she turned around?
Yes, he saw it first, that time and said "maybe you better take me inside".

Colonel Locke

12-04-2005, 10:47 PM

I just rewatched it on my DVR and the hand does appear to be trying to get the horse's attention. The screen grab doesn't do this justice. You have to go and watch the video and watch the hand move out of the picture. The horse head follows the direction of the hand.

i_love_dmjgmfna

12-04-2005, 10:48 PM

I don't know. Could be. I mean, the horse has to stand for something! :smile:

jbdean

12-04-2005, 11:52 PM

jbdean:

I AM saying that! It looks just like the one in the Swan hatch!!!

Yes, he saw it first, that time and said "maybe you better take me inside".
Now I'm confused! :24: Let me make sure I've got this right:

1 octagon shaped box in Wayne's house
1 octagon shaped box in Desmond's hatch
1 horse statue in Wayne's house
1 horse running in front of the Marshall's car
1 horse on the island seen by Kate and Sawyer

Have I missed anything? ;)

i_love_dmjgmfna

12-05-2005, 12:04 AM

Okay, thanks for clearing that up, Colonel. :smile:

Fogey

12-05-2005, 12:17 AM

The Marshall went out the door & this was not one of those rare cars where the door is in the front end - so he ended up alongside not in front of the car. You could experiment by diving out of your own car to make sure.:biggrin: Kate would have needed to back up the car then pull over to one side to run down the Marshal. Considering we have seen her at other times risk capture to save people, I don't think she is the type of person who would try to kill the Marshal that way.

Jayemel

12-05-2005, 12:18 AM

They never really said. It did stalk Sawyer, which isn't normal boar behavior. Also, Sawyer let the boar go at the end. I think Sawyer thought it was Hibbs as much as Kate thought Sawyer was Wayne.

Frank Duckett, not Hibbs. Hibbs was the guy who manipulated Sawyer into killing Duckett.

Graeme

12-05-2005, 12:21 AM

I asked Javi about this and he made it was a mistake

lisagwilkins

12-05-2005, 12:30 AM

Damn, see this is what happens when you have a DVD and a VCR but no DVR and a TV with the color going out....

Guess I'll be buying a new TV tomorrow.

Lisa :cool:

roy815

12-05-2005, 12:43 AM

Everybody is talking about the horse on the island maybe not being real. What if the island horse is the real one, and the one from her flashback was the hallucination.Just because the flashback horse was seen by her first doesn't need to mean it's the real one. Maybe she was tapped into a future event, just like the little bits and pieces everyone else is. Like when Michael gave Walt a stuffed polar bear or anything else that has happened preboarding that has ties to after the crash. Imagine if someone had gone up to Michael and told him "You sure you want to give him that polar bear, like 8 years from now you're going to be on an island nearly being eaten by a real live one."

TabbyRasa

12-05-2005, 01:27 AM

jbdean:

1 octagon shaped box in Wayne's house
1 octagon shaped box in Desmond's hatch
1 horse statue in Wayne's house
1 horse running in front of the Marshall's car
1 horse on the island seen by Kate and Sawyer

Have I missed anything? ;)

As long as you didn't blink...LOL.

Actually, after all of that, you may not want to know this, but I believe there is another horse statue at Wayne's, but it's larger, and brown. But so far, no brown horses on the island.:biggrin:

Jezz1226

12-05-2005, 01:30 AM

1 octagon shaped box in Wayne's house
1 octagon shaped box in Desmond's hatch
1 horse statue in Wayne's house
1 horse running in front of the Marshall's car
1 horse on the island seen by Kate and Sawyer

and a partridge in a pear tree

Chrono333

12-05-2005, 02:02 AM

After watching the episode again, I've noticed something. The expression on Kate's face after the car crashes and she sees the horse looks strange to me - like she's seen this horse before. Later, when she sees the horse on the island, Sawyer asks her "Do you know that horse?" and Kate responds "Yes, I know him" (or something to that effect).
The expression she gives, and what she says (she admits to "knowing" the horse) leads me to believe that she knew this horse in the past. I think that she had some experience with this horse before, and now it is watching over her (saving her from the marshal, showing up on the island). Perhaps she knew it as a child or teenager?
There's also the possibility that I'm looking too far into things and that none of this is true :)
What do you guys think?

LostFANatic91

12-05-2005, 02:42 AM

Could be. I mean this is an Island that Sawyer thought a boar was a guy he killed. ;)

Lester206

12-05-2005, 02:49 AM

http://www.hostmypiconline.com/images/Picture%202zz.png

theres a link to the hand. kind of hard to see in the picture though. but there it is.

HurleyHair

12-05-2005, 11:25 AM

Does this mean that Jack's dad could also be seen by other losties too ya think?

The theme seems to be someone may have conjured up their vision and then someone by them sees it also then. Swept into their companion's views.
I find it strange and wonder if it fits into one of the Dharma experiments?

?

rubia

12-05-2005, 12:46 PM

Does this mean that Jack's dad could also be seen by other losties too ya think?

I don't think so... in White Rabbit, when Jack was talking to Kate on the beach, he saw his dad and ask Kate if she is seeing the same, but she don't see anything.

Slopster53

12-05-2005, 12:52 PM

I don't think so... in White Rabbit, when Jack was talking to Kate on the beach, he saw his dad and ask Kate if she is seeing the same, but she don't see anything.

I think its two early to tell, we've had a number of single person hallucinations, and a few two person hallucinations more recently. Of course we don't even know if those were hallucinations yet.

HurleyHair

12-05-2005, 12:55 PM

I don't think so... in White Rabbit, when Jack was talking to Kate on the beach, he saw his dad and ask Kate if she is seeing the same, but she don't see anything.

Oh yeah. Had forgotten that.
Maybe the "sickness" hadn't hit fully yet if that's the case as Danielle said with her crew. What was it again? 16 days? Maybe the visions are part of the sickness.
Past ghosts come to life maybe. hmmmmmmmmm....i dunno. lol
:cool:

rubia

12-05-2005, 01:18 PM

I don't know if the visions are part of the sickness, at least, Jack's dad and Wayne talk to Kate through Sawyer seems like hallucinations. Both were sleepless and under stress...

12-05-2005, 01:29 PM

I wonder if the sickness begins with hallucinations. Maybe that is what scared Danielle and Desmond.

Slopster53

12-05-2005, 02:40 PM

I wonder if the sickness begins with hallucinations. Maybe that is what scared Danielle and Desmond.

Certainly possible. I wish someone who had mentioned the sickness (Rousseau, Desmond) also said something about the symptoms to help our peeps out.

jackMEsawyer

12-05-2005, 02:50 PM

I had thought of this too, trying to see how it would relate and thought maybe "couples" see the same thing. Hence Shannon & Sayid....and now Kate & Sawyer.

But remember Locke and Kate also saw the black smoke then Jack came and saved the day...the episode where it took Locke uderground.

HurleyHair

12-05-2005, 02:57 PM

...But remember Locke and Kate also saw the black smoke then Jack came and saved the day...the episode where it took Locke uderground.

But remember the smoke is not one of their past visions.
It's was already there.

Todell

12-05-2005, 02:59 PM

Is love the answer (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=28434)? Or where they were standing at the time...

jackMEsawyer

12-05-2005, 03:08 PM

But remember the smoke is not one of their past visions.
It's was already there.

True.

So Kate and Sawyer both saw something that was from Kate's past.

Shannon and Sayid both saw Walt, but he wasn't really from either of their pasts, he's actually real. Or used to be anyway. LOL

I don't know...but I did think it was odd that each couple witnessed the same "sighting" together.

It will be interesting to see what next two see something or if there will be a sighting from more than two people at a time.

Slopster53

12-05-2005, 04:19 PM

Baileysdad

12-05-2005, 04:53 PM

I live on an Island...I have deer on my property...BIG deer...I always wondered how on earth they could get across the river without getting taken by the currents and make landfall...they can't get across the bridge because it is a toll bridge..Deer don't have pockets so...

But...my Island is not in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. I agree with some who think this is some former military post and the horse(s) were left behind.

HurleyHair

12-05-2005, 05:03 PM

HurleyHair

12-05-2005, 05:06 PM

Is love the answer (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=28434)? Or where they were standing at the time...

VERY kewl thread Todell.
Thanx!
:punk:

Lumburg

12-05-2005, 05:27 PM

Baileysdad

12-05-2005, 05:48 PM

Keep in mind the shark appeared after (was it Michael) they talked about a shark appearing...Anyone see "Sphere"?

MinnieVanMommie

12-05-2005, 05:53 PM

I am going back to the idea that under the dome of the hatch...there are nanobots that form as images of peoples mind....trying to clear them of their past...The nanobots form real things that people think about...Walt thought about the Polar bear.....Shannon thought about walt and syid saw walt because he was a real nonobot configuration....See Michael Criton Prey....when the nanobots are confused or whatever...they are just a swarm which is why we see that swarm of smoke all around...

I don't think thshark had anything to do with the dome/nanobot...The shark had a darma logo on it... maybe it was branded I think.....and was in deed a real shark

Vashanti

12-05-2005, 06:14 PM

So, you're going to say that the horse, in fact, is not a living, breathing animal on the island, then? That it was a hallucination, a "vision", not a material being?

If it was a living being, it must have been one of those mystically conjured weird ones, like the Polar Bear from Walt's Spanish comic...

I don't think it was on the island before Kate's stress caused it to appear. ;)

That's just my 2½ cents!

Ahwatukian

12-05-2005, 06:33 PM

If it was a living being, it must have been one of those mystically conjured weird ones, like the Polar Bear from Walt's Spanish comic...

I don't think it was on the island before Kate's stress caused it to appear. ;)

That's just my 2½ cents!

Want to bet?

Vashanti

12-05-2005, 06:58 PM

Want to bet?

:)

I only bet in Vegas. ;)

Ahwatukian

12-05-2005, 07:08 PM

Another thing I thought of, and maybe this was mentioned in another thread somewhere, but:

What if Walt created the horse using his imagination while reading a comic about The Black Stallion? Hmmm? :biggrin:

marksman

12-05-2005, 08:59 PM

I like the idea that seeing the horse on the island made Kate reformulate the memories of the night the marshal's car crashed to "remember" that the horse she saw then was the island horse.

The island horse is real and in her fram eof mind, she imported that horse into her memories just like we incorporate scattered things we see during the day into our dreams.

That is very much how memories can work. I like it a lot and it takes no pseudoscience at all.

Of course, it doesn't answer why a horse is on the island. But I don't know why there are polar bears either.

lostfan88

12-05-2005, 09:20 PM

Oh, I see it now. Thanks for posting. Yeah, it does look like a trainer.

jbdean

12-05-2005, 11:33 PM

jbdean:

As long as you didn't blink...LOL.

Actually, after all of that, you may not want to know this, but I believe there is another horse statue at Wayne's, but it's larger, and brown. But so far, no brown horses on the island.:biggrin:
Great! Now I have to start counting all over again! ;)
and a partridge in a pear tree
:24:
I live on an Island...I have deer on my property...BIG deer...I always wondered how on earth they could get across the river without getting taken by the currents and make landfall...they can't get across the bridge because it is a toll bridge..Deer don't have pockets so...

But...my Island is not in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. I agree with some who think this is some former military post and the horse(s) were left behind.
But they don't need pockets. All they have to do is bring a little doe with them. (Doe = dough ... get it? :24: Bada Bing, Bada Boom!)
I am going back to the idea that under the dome of the hatch...there are nanobots that form as images of peoples mind....trying to clear them of their past...The nanobots form real things that people think about...Walt thought about the Polar bear.....Shannon thought about walt and syid saw walt because he was a real nonobot configuration....See Michael Criton Prey....when the nanobots are confused or whatever...they are just a swarm which is why we see that swarm of smoke all around...

I don't think thshark had anything to do with the dome/nanobot...The shark had a darma logo on it... maybe it was branded I think.....and was in deed a real shark
The producers have said, several times, there are no nanobots. Sorry.

near

12-05-2005, 11:35 PM

OK, my thoughts on the horse:

Island allows projections of thoguhts, due to the physic expiements, people can project thoughts into actual tangible objects. Walt and the polar bear, the Boar and Lock, heck, maybe even the entire hatch. There seem to be too many coniencidental animals appearing at certain times. What is the probability of a shark attacking the raft surviors?

I'm not 100% sold on this just yet but it is plausible

I read the entire thread looking for someone to say this else I would say it. This is what I believe. I think that the horse began as a hallucination, as a part of her past coming back to haunt her. At the end, however, she comes to terms with her problems (Wayne..or the Horse), and the horse becomes real. She knows the horse, she understands her problems, and is more connected to her past. She can touch the horse because she is connected this part of her life. It has nothing to do with wild horses vs. tame horses reality. The horse is now a real part of her life now. So what WAS hallucination became real. It didn't necessarily have to BE hallucination initially, but Kate THOUGHT it was, which is simply symbolic of her struggling with the problem.

This whole episode is another example of the connection to nature that many of the LOSTies have.

I think the whole sickness idea is a bit is off. I mean, why wouldn't we see it happening simultaneously with everyone like Danielle describes?

LostMyMarbles

12-06-2005, 12:28 PM

Why does everybody think there's something supernatural about the horse? Just because Kate thinks so?

There' has been at least one farm animal (chicken) sighted on the island. There's a boat with fuel. Why wouldn't the Others have horses as well as boats and chickens? I say the horse is a normal horse, and the horse or its forbears got to the island in the normal way (on a ship), and the horse recently got loose and is wandering in the jungle. (It's not one that's been wild all its life; it seemed pretty tame.)

And having a horse will be quite useful when the Lostaways finally decide to explore.

Ahwatukian

12-06-2005, 12:44 PM

Polar Bear

12-06-2005, 02:31 PM

I've been lobbying for more screen time and now they have the nerve to bring on ANOTHER animal. This horse is a horrible actor. I can't tell you the number of times we had to reshoot the crash scene with Kate and the marshal because he screwed up. I called my agent and demanded some face time with J.J. but so far I'm getting the cold shoulder. No, I'm not making a joke. Either the horse goes or I'm outta here. I'm pretty sure I can get a recurring role on Vegas. Those women are as dumb as a sack of hammers. I'll turn on the PB charm and open up a whole new demographic.

PB

Laurieg

12-06-2005, 02:51 PM

:biggrin: >..............LOL

venicebeachbrat

12-06-2005, 02:56 PM

That is cute! LOL

Dino 23F

12-06-2005, 03:19 PM

what about the shark?

linerk

12-06-2005, 04:15 PM

Polar Bear

12-06-2005, 04:18 PM

They had to let the shark go because of "improper conduct" on the set. That's all I'm allowed to say.

happypixie

12-06-2005, 04:46 PM

belshep

12-06-2005, 05:21 PM

And that appearance by the chicken was...brief. I wonder what happened there?

Dino 23F

12-06-2005, 05:22 PM

oh, i heard about a horse shark getting drunk and trying to rob sawyers house

Polar Bear

12-06-2005, 07:05 PM

The chicken was a bit player. It's probably in a freezer at KFC by now.

warmislandsun

12-06-2005, 07:07 PM

The chicken was a bit player. It's probably in a freezer at KFC by now.

Sounds foul.

Polar Bear

12-06-2005, 07:08 PM

I don't think the breakin at Josh's house is a laughing matter. Plus there is no such thing as a horse shark.

lostgurl

12-06-2005, 07:15 PM

haha @ sounds foul. :wacko:

ioncewas

12-06-2005, 07:35 PM

Not only did no one see the horse, but no one, not even the "forrest-friendly" in the groups (Locke, Kate, Eko, etc.) had not noticed the hoof prints. Look at everyone as they transverse the forrest. They are all looking down. Where the prints should be.

Follow me?

What gets me is why it showed up at that point, after Kate remembered about it. They've been there for nearly two months and nobody had seen a horse until that time that we know of.
:wallbash:

mr clucky

12-06-2005, 07:54 PM

If the entire show is a hallucination then we've been duped. We've been dealt another "Who shot JR? It was all a dream."

Actually on "Dallas," J.R. getting shot wasn't part of a dream. It was Bobby's death and an entire season's worth of activities that followed it. If the whole show was a hallucination it would be more like "St. Elsewhere" (entire series is the imagination of an autistic child) or "Newhart" (entire series is a bad dream Bob Hartley had after eating too much Japanese food). It worked in both of those cases (especially "Newhart," I'm still LOL 15 years later) but you're right, wouldn't leave a lot of happy fans on "Lost."

mr clucky

12-06-2005, 08:02 PM

Not only did no one see the horse, but no one, not even the "forrest-friendly" in the groups (Locke, Kate, Eko, etc.) had not noticed the hoof prints. Look at everyone as they transverse the forrest. They are all looking down. Where the prints should be.

Follow me?

Thing is, it rains a whole lot on the island. Couldn't that wash away the footprints of a horse that's so rarely seen?

duchess

12-06-2005, 09:28 PM

Too funny..LOL

Jezz1226

12-06-2005, 09:28 PM

It seems that the island (or the Others or someone) is giving the lostaways whatever they need at the moment (Locke said something similiar at some point I think). Sawyer needs to get over his guilt over killing Duckett enter the Boar, Michael needs to get closer to Walt the island allowed for that, Locke needed to walk again and is given the power to do so, etc. Kate needed to get over her hang-up over Wayne and the horse appears, while it is not a halucination its not a normal horse either.

Baileysdad

12-06-2005, 09:39 PM

Thanks a lot Polar Bear...you TOOL of LOST..You have an enemy now my friend.

Just spent a fortune on a state-of-the-art laptop...hell, that thing would outperform my Hemi if I were to install it in my new ride...

So where am I typing this??? In the comforts of my bedroom by the pale glow of a roaring fire place?? NOOOOOOOO ...I am In the freezing cold basement on a Tandy Super Duper Crap computer amidst the snow tires and old boxes and holding my nose from the smell of mold and what appears to be CAT FECES..and I don't even own a damn cat!!!

All because I made the mistake of taking a swig of my Diet Cafeine Free Pepsi as I read your first post and SPIT IT ALL OVER MY NEW COMPUTER I LAUGHED SO FREAKIN' HARD!!!!!

HOLY CRAP IS THIS FUNNY!!!!!!

ommadawn

12-07-2005, 05:03 AM

Bizilbur

12-07-2005, 05:55 AM

I just saw the latest episode on Tuesday and what I saw prompted me to share it with the world to find out whether I'm crazy or not. Take a look at this here image and tell me if you see the hand in the middle of the very right side of the screen. For those of you who recorded it, it's at exactly 41:03 and it waves around for two seconds on screen before it's gone. Now, I hope against hope that it's some crazy Lost conspiracy to drive us mad, but I have a sinking sensation that it's the trainer's hand because the horse is looking right at it. Or maybe it's not there at all and this show is getting to me.

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/6890/vlcsnap18619377sw.png (http://imageshack.us)

Annabella

12-07-2005, 06:21 AM

I'm pretty sure it's the trainers. I read it somewhere before. tv.com i think

DoctorJack

12-07-2005, 08:00 AM

And good food for thought HurleyHair!
I was wondering that myself as well.
Maybe one of the Hanso experiments or the electromagnetic stuff.

Juniebun

12-07-2005, 08:58 AM

Also give credit that they may not be hallucinations. Kate clearly touched the horse, and if you go back and look the Walt that Shannon and Sayid see caused the bushes around him to move when he jumped into the brush. Tactile consequences.....:cool:

Interesting point about the tactile aspect of the visions/hallucinations/whatever they are...Kate did touch the horse...weird...back to work...unfortunately, I have to go "touch" my desk and it, unfortunately, is real...very real...yawn...:drowsy:

sweetsouthernangel

12-07-2005, 09:18 AM

what is with the horse that kate seen? I'm so confuised...why are they adding secrets? man i need to know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sweetsouthernangel

12-07-2005, 09:20 AM

why did sawyer and kate both see the horse? man, why are they doing this?! so the horse and the polar bear are on the island, then there are the others and the hatch and all this stuff and then they kill Shannon and Boone! what the heck...

Baileysdad

12-07-2005, 09:21 AM

Trust me...Bailey will be snuggling on the rug I make out of that furry fella.

(Seriously...this is the most creative thread I have seen here..)

BTD Greg

12-07-2005, 10:37 AM

Slopster53

12-07-2005, 12:49 PM

I rewatched the ep looking for this specifically. I wasn't in the shot I saw, I think it's because the shot with the hand in it is wider that the shot presented on the television. I think I'll call it the wide screen hand.

Slopster53

12-07-2005, 01:00 PM

HurleyHair

12-07-2005, 02:03 PM

I'm not gonna try to read a million posts and figure this out, so I'll just ask here:

Is the horse on the island THE horse that Kate saw as she crashed with the Marshall? Or is it just another random look alike horse that happens to look like that one? Or is there any way we can even tell?

Same color it seemed.
Kate didn't have a chance to check it's teeth either time tho. lol

Still believe things are appearing from their subconscious mind
and a companion close by sees as well
as they are in the same magnetic "aura".
i dunno.
:cool:

Slopster53

12-07-2005, 03:36 PM

Same color it seemed.
Kate didn't have a chance to check it's teeth either time tho. lol

Still believe things are appearing from their subconscious mind
and a companion close by sees as well
as they are in the same magnetic "aura".
i dunno.
:cool:

Your aura comment totally tipped me off. In a whispers thread we were talking about how certain people could hear certain whispers, but others couldn't, while they were in the same geographical area. I hypothesized that there was a scientific device that could project sound or mental noise in a straight line (such sound devices do exist), which is why only those people directly in their path could hear it. Maybe there is a similar device that creates hallucinations in whoever it hits, so that two people in it's area of effect can see it, but literally not the people right next to them. Would explain alot of these hallucinations and why certain people can't see them, and others share them.

ioncewas

12-07-2005, 06:15 PM

I'd love to see a screenshot....

I'm multi-posting...I need an answer quick please...
Well, this is getting curiouser and curiouser. I was just re-viewing WKD, and in the car wreck scene, with the marshall, just as the horse runs in front of the car...it sure looks like a closeup of a lion's face, just above the hindquarters of the horse. It disappears (or the camera moves) and then it is there again...and then the horse has run across the screen....

Is it just me (or my grainy tape)?

ioncewas

12-07-2005, 06:17 PM

Mr. Clucky - Good point that I had not considered.

Thing is, it rains a whole lot on the island. Couldn't that wash away the footprints of a horse that's so rarely seen?

TabbyRasa

12-07-2005, 06:20 PM

I'd love to see a screenshot....
Me too...but I know of none out there...unless lost-media adds to theirs or someone else comes up with one...there are 2 opportunities to spot it (I don't know how many frames each would be). Try viewing it in slow motion, maybe?

jbdean

12-07-2005, 08:41 PM

The reason people are thinking of the horse being symolic and not necessarily real is because of the horse that ran in front of the car that basically set Kate free. Now a horse appears on the Island and they haven't seen any before. It's rather like when Walt read the comic with the polar bear and voila polar bear.
Oh it's definitely tied in to Kate and her backstory and she feels the connection. But that doesn't have to mean it's the same horse.

Maybe Walt doesn't have powers to conjur uip a polar bear ... but maybe the island (or someone on the island) has the ability to know what our lostaways are thinking and thereby produce from their thoughts or, as in Walt's case, know he was out on the sea and be able to kidnapp him.
That could be so very true!!!

but... lets also not forget the other possibilities

The fact that the Degrounts were studying zoology.

or
The Hanso letter (old one) stating that they were doing experiments on an ape.

So why would they limite there experiments to just one ape? They may have used Polar Bear, Boars, Roasters, Horses. And sharks. And HMMMM Humans:biggrin:

Just a thought:biggrin::biggrin:
But I do think that the symbolism is a definite as well:biggrin:
Yes, the study of zoology was my first thought and I posted that here. I think it's somehow connected.
It seems that the island (or the Others or someone) is giving the lostaways whatever they need at the moment (Locke said something similiar at some point I think). Sawyer needs to get over his guilt over killing Duckett enter the Boar, Michael needs to get closer to Walt the island allowed for that, Locke needed to walk again and is given the power to do so, etc. Kate needed to get over her hang-up over Wayne and the horse appears, while it is not a halucination its not a normal horse either.
It does seem that way, doesn't it? Maybe my first reply here is hitting on the right mark. Maybe there is some way for the thoughts of our lostaways to be read and then "acted upon." That would be very interesting!

HurleyHair

12-08-2005, 01:12 AM

Your aura comment totally tipped me off. In a whispers thread we were talking about how certain people could hear certain whispers, but others couldn't, while they were in the same geographical area. I hypothesized that there was a scientific device that could project sound or mental noise in a straight line (such sound devices do exist), which is why only those people directly in their path could hear it. Maybe there is a similar device that creates hallucinations in whoever it hits, so that two people in it's area of effect can see it, but literally not the people right next to them. Would explain alot of these hallucinations and why certain people can't see them, and others share them.

And YO!
Check out the kewl choices to look under Aura on Wikipedia!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aura

:cool:

'Specially this one under paranormal...

"According to New Age (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Age), an aura is a set of cascading colored outlines emanating from the surface of a person or object. It is a result of the emergence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence) of chakra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra) and it mirrors the supernatural energy field that surrounds and penetrates everything. In addition, an aura can be viewed by the naked eye. Training can improve one's ability to see auras. Each layer of aura is separate and distinct yet connected to all the remaining layers. Many psychics, as children, such as Edgar Cayce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Cayce) assumed that everyone could see auras until they got older. In the books of Carlos Castaneda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Castaneda) auras are referred to as luminous cocoons."

I've studied up on Cayce alot too. Too kewl.

Slopster53

12-08-2005, 10:09 AM

And YO!
Check out the kewl choices to look under Aura on Wikipedia!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aura

:cool:

'Specially this one under paranormal...

"According to New Age (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Age), an aura is a set of cascading colored outlines emanating from the surface of a person or object. It is a result of the emergence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence) of chakra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra) and it mirrors the supernatural energy field that surrounds and penetrates everything. In addition, an aura can be viewed by the naked eye. Training can improve one's ability to see auras. Each layer of aura is separate and distinct yet connected to all the remaining layers. Many psychics, as children, such as Edgar Cayce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Cayce) assumed that everyone could see auras until they got older. In the books of Carlos Castaneda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Castaneda) auras are referred to as luminous cocoons."

I've studied up on Cayce alot too. Too kewl.

First off.....Cayce rules.:biggrin: Major spiritual influence for me. Check out Near-Death.com HH and let me know what you think.

HurleyHair

12-08-2005, 10:32 AM

First off.....Cayce rules.:biggrin: Major spiritual influence for me. Check out Near-Death.com HH and let me know what you think.

K.
Kewl Slopster53!
Thanx!
I shall do that indeed!
Also there's another kewl post for the VIP's that mentions Tesla.
(This show is SO up my alley it's scary. lol).
:cool:

Slopster53

12-08-2005, 10:46 AM

I just really hope that the writers keep it as entertaining as it has been for the first two seasons. That and I don't want any cop out answers about all the mysteries on the island.

HurleyHair

12-11-2005, 11:06 AM

I just really hope that the writers keep it as entertaining as it has been for the first two seasons. That and I don't want any cop out answers about all the mysteries on the island.

Speaking of "cop" out...
Wonder if the guy Ana killed will show up? Jared?

bobbinghead1

12-11-2005, 01:14 PM

My 2 cents. Horse signifies the connection between Kate/Sawyer, Sawyer has confessed his love for Kate. Similarly, Walt signifies connection between Sayid and Shannon, Sayid has also confessed his love for Shannon.

Michelle Friday

12-11-2005, 03:07 PM

HurleyHair

12-11-2005, 06:08 PM

I don't think there is any "sickness". I think when someone says they see
something, a person who is not comfortable with that, will call that person
sick.

There are those who are more intuitive than others, or at least more open
to it than others. Some get scared and don't want to see, even when they
do, they will deny it.

Danielle probably killed some people who weren't really "sick", but to
her mind they acted different so she labeled them sick. Not that she
is exactly on top of things!

When they first crashed, every one was still in their uptight keep the
walls up, never let them see you sweat, mode. As time has gone by,
walls are coming down, people are more open to possibilities, esp.
with all the sights and sounds they have experienced. I think there
will be a unique explanation for it all, and it won't be blown off as just
a "sickness".

Good angle there. Like it.

Some horse page while exploring...
http://www.equinecolor.com/color.html

In first paragraph it says,
"All colors are a result of at least 16 known factors that interact to produce each unique color and pattern."
There's one of those numbers again. Coincidence. Right? i dunno.

Under the first paragraph on colors hit the link for Black (http://www.equinecolor.com/black.html) and it takes u to black horses.
http://www.wikipedia.org/ started me off.
Nifty stuff there too but nothing that struck me as "LOST-like".

HurleyHair

12-11-2005, 06:14 PM

Just posted this elsewhere.
Figured i'd hit the "horse" sites and share...

Some horse page while exploring...
http://www.equinecolor.com/color.html

In first paragraph it says,
"All colors are a result of at least 16 known factors that interact to produce each unique color and pattern."
There's one of those numbers again. Coincidence. Right? i dunno.

Under the first paragraph on colors hit the link for Black (http://www.equinecolor.com/black.html) and it takes u to black horses.
http://www.wikipedia.org/ started me off.
Nifty stuff there too but nothing that struck me as "LOST-like".

Ahwatukian

12-11-2005, 07:20 PM

HurleyHair

12-12-2005, 09:37 AM

^^^ Proof that some people are taking LOST WAY too seriously.^^^

Question: Will there be a rush to psychiatric help when LOST jumps the shark and/or when the series ends?

My Answer: Yup.

LOL!!!
So true! In fact just posted to someone about a coincidence in a name (Artz)
BOOM!!!
and going overboard. hehe
And how we all had our own agendas in knowledge; storylines; start and ending.
Guess we can all b guilty in our own ways.
Hasn't been discussed yet with my therapist....
The pills are gr8 tho!
lol
:cool:

Slopster53

12-14-2005, 01:17 PM

So basically there is no way to know if the horse is the actual horse, or if its another horse that just looks the same.

joonggook

12-14-2005, 06:26 PM

after reading all these posts, i'm still bent as to why they chose a black stallion? the more stuff they put into each episode, the more confused i get...we got polar bears, a black stallion, and big security lostzilla something running around...it's getting wierder and wierder....but yet, so intruguing....i want to know more about these "other"s and where in the heck they take the kids....

pacejunkie

12-14-2005, 06:31 PM

Interesting that the animals we've seen are black (horse, boar) or white (polar bear). Fits the theme. What's next, a zebra?

HurleyHair

12-14-2005, 10:19 PM

Interesting that the animals we've seen are black (horse, boar) or white (polar bear). Fits the theme. What's next, a zebra?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm..
That very well could be it.
The black/white theme with the horse and polar bear.
Plus black smoke.
Only thing i thought was that gray shark.
Maybe the black/white theme stays on land only?
lol
:cool:

bo_is_lost

12-14-2005, 10:27 PM

I'm thinking that the horse was really there. Walt was the vision, and Sayid only saw when he "believed." We have yet to find out a great many mysteries.

Slopster53

12-15-2005, 01:14 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm..
That very well could be it.
The black/white theme with the horse and polar bear.
Plus black smoke.
Only thing i thought was that gray shark.
Maybe the black/white theme stays on land only?
lol
:cool:

It's gallop on in right when Eko and Locke are playing Backgammon or something:biggrin:

BrownEyedGrrl

12-15-2005, 02:24 PM

Oh yeah. Had forgotten that.
Maybe the "sickness" hadn't hit fully yet if that's the case as Danielle said with her crew. What was it again? 16 days? Maybe the visions are part of the sickness.
Past ghosts come to life maybe. hmmmmmmmmm....i dunno. lol
:cool:

personally, i think that rousseau was the one with the "sickness", that's why she offed them. i think she lost her marbles, and so consequently thinks the problem is with everyone else- and killed them all. just my personal conspiracy theory. off topic, i know. ;)

Slopster53

12-15-2005, 02:44 PM

personally, i think that rousseau was the one with the "sickness", that's why she offed them. i think she lost her marbles, and so consequently thinks the problem is with everyone else- and killed them all. just my personal conspiracy theory. off topic, i know. ;)

Did she ever make a statement about how they were acting when sick? I seem to remember her saying something about how they acted differently, but I can't remember.

8pieceChicken

12-16-2005, 04:53 PM

Did she ever make a statement about how they were acting when sick? I seem to remember her saying something about how they acted differently, but I can't remember.

Pretty sure there was mention of the sickness here.
It'll take a bit to find now as i cant' recall the exact place on the page.
Lots of other gems too.
http://www.livejournal.com/community/lost_news/
:cool:

Slopster53

12-19-2005, 12:25 PM

Pretty sure there was mention of the sickness here.
It'll take a bit to find now as i cant' recall the exact place on the page.
Lots of other gems too.
http://www.livejournal.com/community/lost_news/
:cool:

Interesting site. Worth a peek.

HurleyHair

12-19-2005, 09:22 PM

Dino 23F

12-20-2005, 10:26 AM

i took her respose during the car crash as, holp poop a black stallion just saved my behind! and then on the island when she was asked by sawyer sh was like yeah i know that horse it saved my behind a bunch of years ago

Slopster53

12-20-2005, 12:33 PM

http://lost.cubit.net/timeline.php

Another interesting site.

ocean_fire

12-20-2005, 04:50 PM

If what you think is true, then only one other person would be able to see Jack's father.. I wonder who that would/could be..

Superman

12-21-2005, 12:59 AM

Ahwatukian

12-21-2005, 01:14 AM

merged the 12 horse threads together... in the future, please use the search feature for the specific forums if you aren't sure if a topic has been discussed... for this particular obvious subject, one can assume that it has been... the search feature is how i found all of them...

Wow... I don't want to seem like a jerk in saying this, but...

You (The Fuselage) created this laborynth of message boards for a cult following of a great television show... and you expect people with primal, sometimes "teenage" and internet "I need to vent, NOW!" urges to use a search function?

To you, my brother, I say, "Good luck" and Namaste.

Superman

12-21-2005, 01:25 AM

no offense taken, and please take no offense in my reply...

many of these horse threads were created with that original horse thread still being on the first page, a lot of times being one of the top 5-7 topics on that first page... i love the enthusiasm, but come on, one can't take the time to look at the first page of topics to see if something has been discussed?

for something as huge of a topic as this, it doesn't take but 2 seconds to use the search feature... that's why it's there... as a moderator (albeit in my case a mini-mod), it is my job to merge what needs to be merged, etc and i'm sure with some topics, you can't help but want to put your thoughts down quick, BUT i see nothing wrong in me advertising the various functions...

halfrek

12-21-2005, 02:13 AM

Wow... I don't want to seem like a jerk in saying this, but...

You (The Fuselage) created this laborynth of message boards for a cult following of a great television show... and you expect people with primal, sometimes "teenage" and internet "I need to vent, NOW!" urges to use a search function?

To you, my brother, I say, "Good luck" and Namaste.

yes we do expect people to use the search function.
or at least read the first page of threads to check for the same topic already being discussed.
we also expect people to follow the site rules...as well as posting nicely.
as solidstealth stated, perhaps people are not aware that a "search" can be done
within the forums...just trying to help them out. ;)

TabbyRasa

12-21-2005, 02:17 AM

yes we do expect people to use the search function.
or at least read the first page of threads to check for the same topic already being discussed.
we also expect people to follow the site rules...as well as posting nicely.
as solidstealth stated, perhaps people are not aware that a "search" can be done
within the forums...just trying to help them out. ;)
Perhaps solidstealth's font could be in color, in keeping with the prestige of a Mod?:)

skate4eva

12-21-2005, 12:06 PM

It really doesnt look like a hand...looks like a thick..dunno! might be there on purpose.!

8pieceChicken

12-21-2005, 12:26 PM

merged the 12 horse threads together... in the future, please use the search feature for the specific forums if you aren't sure if a topic has been discussed... for this particular obvious subject, one can assume that it has been... the search feature is how i found all of them...

Hmmmmmm....
K...How DOES this merge and search thing help/work exactly?
I typed in horse in the search and it came up with 5 pages of threads with most not even having horse in the title. ???
I had even typed in a thread's title b 4 and search couldn't find it. ?

And yeah, i was confused with what i thought was a member merging at first.
It would help with color type as full mods i agree.

Superman

12-21-2005, 07:37 PM

yeah, it's a bit tricky, 8pieceChicken... for a lot of things that i have used the search on, it gives me only a few things, and on others it gives me pages of results... one option is using the advanced search... when you click on search, there's an advanced search option underneath that you can click on... i think what results show up when you use the general search are threads that have (in this example) "horse" anywhere in the thread... if you use advanced, you can narrow it down a bit...

yeah, giving me font color may help but it's not my call :)

Dino 23F

12-22-2005, 09:51 AM

okay, so its been merged and discussed how about getting back to the topic,
is this the same horse? how did it get their? is it a ghost horse?

Ahwatukian

12-22-2005, 04:57 PM

okay, so its been merged and discussed how about getting back to the topic,
is this the same horse? how did it get their? is it a ghost horse?

OK, in getting back to the topic of the horse: I believe that it is a real horse and that it got onto the island from a previous event, such as part of the Dharma Initiative's zoology experiements, perhaps as offspring from The Black Rock shipwreck, etc.

I do not believe it was manifest from Kate's backstory, i.e., "thoughts become living things/illusions/ghosts, etc". If that's where the show is going (read: Unbelieveableville), then I'll be greatly disappointed and treat it as shark jumping. :ohwell:

Dino 23F

12-23-2005, 04:56 PM

so you think its a different horse but its triggering her into going nutso. i buy that but it is another one of those weird coincidences

arsenicdream

12-23-2005, 05:16 PM

well obviously the island is connected to a lost celtic island and any minute now there's going to be millions of sheep popping out the bushes! *cackle* actually I think the horse is real and the writers are poking fun at Swiss Family Robinson, that book was full of random things that just happened to be there like the cotton field and the salt cave, what fortunate timing, yes? Soon it will just get so casual that someone will be like "aaw we're out of milk!" and another castaway will reply "don't worry I'll just milk the cow!" It probably won't get that bad, but it's headed in that direction just for having the horse be real.

CHARLIE_toombs

12-23-2005, 05:27 PM

If the horse is real then do ya think that the cast aways will use it to help them live? kinda dumb question, but a pretty cool idea don't ya think? They could use it to ride so they don't have to walk all over the island!!! HAHAHA

lostgurl

12-23-2005, 05:30 PM

Hey did you hear that news story about that cat that got onto that barge and ended up in France, they traced it back to its owner and returned the cat back to the USA?
Yeah, thats how the horse got there. :spam:

HurleyHair

12-25-2005, 11:46 AM

Just as long as they don't name the horse "ELMER".
EEEEK!

Still believe in the whole visions from person's past and person around is in their "aura" to see it as well. Perhaps even the vision actually comes to real life.

Kel_C

12-28-2005, 06:01 PM

The horse escaped from the 'Zoology' lab thats part of Dharma. Same with the polar bears probably.

cbikle

12-28-2005, 07:41 PM

okay, so its been merged and discussed how about getting back to the topic,
is this the same horse? how did it get their? is it a ghost horse?

Ghost horse ?!?

HEYYYYYYYYYYYYY ABBOTTTTTTTTTTTT !!!

Dino 23F

12-29-2005, 10:38 AM

your silly.
i think it would be quite the coincidence if it were the same horse but, the humans past have crossed path why not a horse. and maybe the polar bear was seen at the zoo by walt

CHARLIE_toombs

12-29-2005, 10:43 AM

Walt also had that comic book with the big white polar bear in it was there a horse in that book? I am not sure

lostgurl

12-29-2005, 11:02 AM

OK, in getting back to the topic of the horse: I believe that it is a real horse and that it got onto the island from a previous event, such as part of the Dharma Initiative's zoology experiements, perhaps as offspring from The Black Rock shipwreck, etc.

I do not believe it was manifest from Kate's backstory, i.e., "thoughts become living things/illusions/ghosts, etc". If that's where the show is going (read: Unbelieveableville), then I'll be greatly disappointed and treat it as shark jumping. :ohwell:

I agree. Remember, we didn't see Kate's flashback about the horse until AFTER we seen the horse on the island. The horse REMINDED her of an event in her past, not the other way around. She wasnt first thinking of her past and then 'poof' a horse appears.
Just a thought.