So here is a thread to talk about evil old Ethan Rom.

Was he really one of the "Others" ?

Did he ever meet or know Danielle R? (He had Claire, but Danielle had scratches Claire remembers giving her)

If the rafties had guns, how come Ethan didn't?

Goodwin shows up day of crash, intigrates himself into a leadship role where he is privy to the most info. Goodwin arranges abductions, as soon as the second night. Goes out of his way to insure his cover remains. Never displays any "super" kind of talents

Ethan shows up later... (presumably) and just stays out of the way doing small chores. He doesn't really attempt to intigrate. Only attempts one abduction, which he carries out on his own, blowing his cover. Ethan shows himself a very capable fighter. (fighting Jack) and is almost unnaturally strong. (picks Charlie off the ground with one outstreached hand without straining)

Lastly, Ethan is a fantastic Tracker, a great woodsman, and somehow knew he was being followed by Jack and Kate. Yet, he charges into the middle of a trap going right for Claire, and missing the 5 (6 including Charlie) other people hiding all arround her. Did he expect to be attacked?

I am a believer that Ethan wasn't one of "the others" just a rouge agent with some other agenda. Every thread I have read assumes Ethan is one of "The Others". What evidence do we have implicating him as one of "the others"?
He doesn't seem like very much like Goodwin from the tail section.

If he isn't an Other...it's one hell of a coincidence that his name, Ethan Rom, can be rearranged to say "Other Man"

yer that was the oceanic-air site

I think Ethan was a 'others'

We've just been talking about that over here:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=30822

and I agree with you Borderlander. I'm not convinced that Ethan Rom is one of the Others. The name thing is hard to deny, but the facts don't completely add up for me yet. Maybe there are some things we don't know yet, like Danielle was actually trying to rescue Claire from Ethan when Claire scratched her. If that's the case then it changes things, but as it is I agree with you.

oh i didn't kno there was 2 threads about this

I'm sure there are a ton of threads on just about every topic imaginable at this point. This show has an incredible online prescence, not just in this forum, but in so many others.

It's a difficult one to call, but something tells me Ethan isn't one of the "Others" as the Talies know them.

As for Danielle, i think Claire most likely ran into her in the jungle after escaping from Ethan, as it was dark and she was scared and couldn't remember anything, i don't think you can blame her for scratching the hell out of some scary french woman coming out of the woods.

wow loads of different ideas, i dont really know what to think, i do agree with the the point about danielle trying to ave claire, i mean if she knew claire was pregnant and she knew that the othes wre oming then she would have saved claire so that later on she could have taken her baby and swap it for alex (who i would also liketo know more about) wat do u think?

It may not all add up but this is just a quick reply lol :)

...so that later on she could have taken her baby and swap it for alex (who i would also liketo know more about) wat do u think?
If you are interested in Alex, I think we may find out more about her soon:

01/04 - We have another new survivor. In episode 2.15, we will be introduced to Jessica, 16, who is described as smart, strong, attractive and will be found on the island. She is also described as being " one with nature." They are looking for 18-20 y olds to play her. Source: SecretAgentMan at TWoP (http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3119603&st=5250)


Source: Spoilerfix.com (http://www.spoilerfix.com/lost.php)

OK, after watching "The Hunting Party" I think I may be convinced that Ethan actually was one of the Others. The exchange between Jack and Mr. Friendly seemed to indicate that Ethan was working with them. I would like to rewatch the episode to fully make up my mind, but for the most part I think it's safe to say that he was an Other.

The creative team has said that Ethan was not alone.

There is one thing that has always puzzled me about Ethan. They abduct Charlie and Claire, Charlie gets hanged and revived and Claire disappears for a week.

After Claire's return..when Ethan confronts Charlie why doesn't he say something like "I thought I killed you! Why aren't you dead?"

No..he just threatens Charlie and demands that he returns Claire.

It just doesn't make sense. Ethan said "I will KILL one of them' and he apparently tried his best to so..

But he gives no reaction of surprise at seeing Charlie alive and well.

The creative team has said that Ethan was not alone.

After Claire's return..when Ethan confronts Charlie why doesn't he say something like "I thought I killed you! Why aren't you dead?"

No..he just threatens Charlie and demands that he returns Claire.

It just doesn't make sense. Ethan said "I will KILL one of them' and he apparently tried his best to so..

But he gives no reaction of surprise at seeing Charlie alive and well.

oooh i never thought of that thank you for bringing that up!

OK, after watching "The Hunting Party" I think I may be convinced that Ethan actually was one of the Others. The exchange between Jack and Mr. Friendly seemed to indicate that Ethan was working with them. I would like to rewatch the episode to fully make up my mind, but for the most part I think it's safe to say that he was an Other.

They left it just vague enough that we don't know anything for sure. All Mr. Friendly (love that name, btw!) said was "Interesting theory." In his mind, he could have been thinking, "Ethan who???" but he's been "skulking jungle dude" long enough to know not to tip his hand to his opponent--a skill Jack could do well to learn. You *never* let the other side think they know something that you don't. Friendly went out of his way to drop enough names and comments to make the Lostaways think the Others knew everything. It scared them and kept them off-balance.

Another thought, re: the torches lighting up to show their numbers: the torches were meant to represent one Other per flame, but by staying back in the jungle, we don't know how many people there really were--or if the torches were on some sort of fuse system to let a few people light several at once.

After Claire's return..when Ethan confronts Charlie why doesn't he say something like "I thought I killed you! Why aren't you dead?"

I wondered the same thing at first, and developed my own theory. It would seem that Ethan must've been watching everyone to find out where Claire was, and lurked about waiting to get Charlie alone. He might've been surprised when he first saw Charlie while spying, but would've recovered, and deliberately chose Charlie to confront, based on the fact that he had almost killed Charlie and figured that would make him more prone to intimidation.

OK, after watching "The Hunting Party" I think I may be convinced that Ethan actually was one of the Others. The exchange between Jack and Mr. Friendly seemed to indicate that Ethan was working with them. I would like to rewatch the episode to fully make up my mind, but for the most part I think it's safe to say that he was an Other.

I took it the complete other way.. I didn't think friendly knew about eathan, which is why Jack had to say "Ethan?" then Friendly got this funny kind of smile like "Ohhh wow, you are way off" and said "Ahh that is an interesting theory"

I think we may see someone else from Ethans' group during The Long Con..

if you go here:
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=thumbnails&album=906

you'll see that when Sun is in the jungle tending to her herb garden, some guy comes out of nowhere and tries to kidnap her. He kind of looks like Ethan huh?

What'dya think guys?

I think we may see someone else from Ethans' group during The Long Con..

if you go here:
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=thumbnails&album=906

you'll see that when Sun is in the jungle tending to her herb garden, some guy comes out of nowhere and tries to kidnap her. He kind of looks like Ethan huh?

What'dya think guys?

I'm kinda with you on this one. Looking at the guy who tries to kidnap Sun gives me the initial impression that he's different than The Others (Seabillies). I mean just look at his clothes, he's much cleaner looking than any of the Others that confronted the Hunting Party.

It'll be an interesting episode.

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I certainly don't think Ethan was one of 'the others' the tailies encountered, but that doesn't mean he wasn't part of a group that isn't from the plane crash. There could be numerous groups dotted around the island maybe Ethen was from another group of people who knew that 'the others' take children and wanted Clair's baby as something to trade with or give to 'the others'. All we know about Ethan that gives any kind of real clue about his origins is that we know he came in from the water when he killed that guy on the beach and it's unlikely that he got far enough out in the water to swim past the camp unoticed (the perimiter that was set up) without some kind of small boat that could take him out so he could swim to the beach. Like the boat the people who kidnaped Walt had which belonged to people who defonatly weren't conected to 'the others' who attacked the tailies.

All we know about Ethan that gives any kind of real clue about his origins is that we know he came in from the water when he killed that guy on the beach and it's unlikely that he got far enough out in the water to swim past the camp unoticed (the perimiter that was set up) without some kind of small boat that could take him out so he could swim to the beach.

William would argue - loudly, and often :) - that we don't know that it was Ethan that killed Sceve by the water.

However, assuming it was Ethan, I was never 100% sold on the "he came from the water" theory. That was Locke's supposition, and I've often wondered if Ethan and Locke were in cahoots. Also, Boone fell asleep at his post, and Ethan could've slipped by him. If he did come from the water, he could've done it alone; he wouldn't have needed to swim all that far, just enough to get past the camp perimeter. Nobody was patrolling the waterline, and the sound and motion of the waves would've masked his approach and escape.

If you think Ethan wasnt 1 of "The Others" then why does Charlie say"all they wanted was Claires baby". I emphasize on the word "they"

William would argue - loudly, and often :) - that we don't know that it was Ethan that killed Sceve by the water.

However, assuming it was Ethan, I was never 100% sold on the "he came from the water" theory. That was Locke's supposition, and I've often wondered if Ethan and Locke were in cahoots. Also, Boone fell asleep at his post, and Ethan could've slipped by him. If he did come from the water, he could've done it alone; he wouldn't have needed to swim all that far, just enough to get past the camp perimeter. Nobody was patrolling the waterline, and the sound and motion of the waves would've masked his approach and escape.

I get where your coming from brother, but Ethan Rom was not part of the others that the tailies encountered. For the others don't leave any kind of trail and Ethan 'let' Charlie leave a trail for Jack and Kate! People who can disapear into the jungle with nine victims and not leave a single broken twig do not allow their victims to leave a trail. The simming thing is a good point but personaly I think he did swim up to the beach.

If you think Ethan wasnt 1 of "The Others" then why does Charlie say"all they wanted was Claires baby". I emphasize on the word "they"

Because he is part of a another who group and we don't know how many of them their are, or Ethan told Charlie that the others only wanted Clair and the baby.

Ethan IS NOT an Other.

'the others' supposedly dont leave tracks right??? so how come when Locke was attempting to track Ethan when he kidnapped charlie + claire in homecoming Locke told Jack "footprints: 3 distinct sets"

Hmmmmmmm.

Ethan IS NOT an Other.

'the others' supposedly dont leave tracks right??? so how come when Locke was attempting to track Ethan when he kidnapped charlie + claire in homecoming Locke told Jack "footprints: 3 distinct sets"

Hmmmmmmm.

Thats totaly right, Ethan is from a different group. The others would have no problems kidnapping one person and they defornatly wouldn't leave tracks.

Also it doenst seem as though the Others have killed anyone, just taken them for whatever puprose

I think the guy showing up in tonight's episode is also from Ethan's group. The guy looks like he's wearing brand new clothes! and doesn't look like he lives in the jungle or on a beach.. perhaps in another hatch?

I think the guy showing up in tonight's episode is also from Ethan's group. The guy looks like he's wearing brand new clothes! and doesn't look like he lives in the jungle or on a beach.. perhaps in another hatch?


I keep trying to remember that when Oceanic 815 went down, it was raining suitcases of nice modern clothing all over the island. To paraphrase an old saying, "clothes don't always make the man."

Ok, this could be nonsense or it could shed light on Ethan...
His name resembles the title character
of the 1905 Edith Wharton novel, "Ethan Frome".

* Ethan Frome- bleak, stiffened appearance, taciturn, extremely responsible, young man who
marries an older woman because of fear of being alone, no social
skills, shy and naive, martyr complex

Plot Summary:

Ethan was a young man taking care of his mother until she died. Ethan
was AFRAID OF BEING ALONE during that winter so he married his mother's
nurse Zeena, who was an older woman. They had planned to move to a big
city and start a new life. Lack of fertile land and enough money
prevented their dreams from coming true. Zeena BECAME SICK and Ethan
realized he was NEVER GETTING OUT of Starkfield. After a while, Zeena
stopped complaining because Ethan stopped listening. Their house became
silent and cold. All of that changed when Mattie, Zeena's cousin comes
to stay with them. She is a young, vibrant woman who brings life to the
house. Ethan ends up falling in love with her. She offers the warm
qualities of a relationship that Zeena never showed. Ethan does
Mattie's chores around the house for her and sneaks extra time with
her. Ethan found a companion who showed interest in him. It was almost
like a childhood crush. Zeena is very suspicious of their relationship.
The last straw was when Mattie broke the pickle dish while Zeena was
away. This was significant because the pickle dish had never been used
because it was the nicest thing they owned. Zeena gets rid of Mattie
with the excuse that she needs a new nurse and they can't afford to
keep both girls. Mattie has no place to go. Ethan stands up to Zeena
and insists that he take her to the train. On the way to the train they
stop to sleigh ride down a hill. After doing so, Mattie decides that
they should commit SUICIDE together that so they would never have to be
alone. They attempt to commit SUICIDE by sleighing into a TREE. They
are unsuccessful but both end up with PERMANENT physical injuries. They
end up all living together MISERABLY with Zeena taking care of
them. (THANKs to www.bellmore-merrick.k12.ny.us/ethanf.html)

I'd like to see Ethan appear in somebody's flashback, preferably before he was Evil Ethan. William Mapother's a versatile actor, and I'm sure he'd be able to do a great job of convincing us that in the past, Ethan Rom was a dorky scientist, a failed swinger, or a guy who still lives with his mom and wears ugly Christmas sweaters.

That is my contribution to the Ethan Rom Thread.

Two groups of others? One good one bad...ie dark and light pieces of the game with the island being the board, maybe the losties are like wild cards and each group is trying to gain members.

It's like the Oceanic passengers landed right in the middle of a conflict that has been brewing for some time.