I stopped the episode where Eko was working on the "Jesus stick". The scriptures I saw were Titus 3, Revelations 3, Ti 4, Psalm 144 (or 14??), and Colossians. Titus 3 deals with to do good, speak no evil, we are justified by grace. Revelation 3 Completes the letters to the churches at Sardis (their works are not perfect) and Philadelphia (they have kept His word), and Laodicea (they are neither cold or hot, but lukewarm and He will spit them out). The only thing that makes any sense is Psalm 144 (smoke, lightning, and destruction by arrows). There has to be something to the other scriptures. Any ideas or theories?? How about the order on the stick?:confused:

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Here is a picture of the stick that I found. I was trying to see which verses were on there. Not that it makes a difference (for the show that is) but it is not Revelations, John only had one Revelation, therefore the book is not plural. I am trying to see what I can get out of the verses.

I'll post more as I come up with stuff. I left my good Study bible at church today, so hopefully tomorrow.

DP

wasnt his stick supposed to have its own flashback?

The scriptures I saw were Titus 3, Revelations 3, Ti 4, Psalm 144 (or 14??), and Colossians. Titus 3 deals with to do good, speak no evil, we are justified by grace.
Plus, Libby used to be on the sitcom "Titus".

I know, that's pretty lame........ :grin:

Plus, Libby used to be on the sitcom "Titus".

I know, that's pretty lame........ :grin:


I thought I recognized her, but I couldn't figure out where it was from. I used to love that show. Thanks for solving a personal mystery.

Jesus stick. That cracked me up.

I believe she was also on a Soap. Guiding Light maybe? Her face is really familiar.

is it important that after the encounter with the smoke, eko left his stick behind...

i noticed that too...I also remember the producers/writers saying to pay attention to the stick that Mr Eko carries. I wonder if we were all pre-occupied with what was on the stick to think of the significance of him leaving it where he met the smoke?

DP

I thought the whole Jesus stick dialoge was some of the funniest lines to date.

Just when I thought Charlie was becoming a punk, he delivered with that character-saving line. Way to go!

i loved Charlie's line... I did notice that Eko left his stick behind wonder why......

Just when I thought Charlie was becoming a punk, he delivered with that character-saving line. Way to go!


I agree I was sick of Charlie, but he was cracking me up last night, and he is more interesting to me now that i know he has a HUGE stash of smack hidden in the jungle, cause thats the first thing I would have done if I was a junkie and ran across a huge supply of my favorite drug.

Minor complaint, but I know how detail-oriented everyone is around here....

On Eko's stick, he lists the book of "Revelations".
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x10/jesusStick.jpg (http://http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x10/jesusStick.jpg)

However, the name of this book in the Bible has no "s" on it - its just "Revelation."

Was this an error on Eko's part or is it on the part of the show creators who may not have much knowledge of the Bible?

The stick is very important! Just like Vincent the dog is important. The fact that Eko is no longer carrying it must mean something. What did Charlie go back for though- his knapsack? Why? So he could put a few more statues in it?

Charlie was funny, but I would have never been mean to Eko, he's like three times his size, and he carries a Jesus Stick. I think I would be that dude's friend, not argue with him.

When Charlie called it the "Jesus Stick" I bursted out laughing! He almost sounded like Sawyer :) too funny...

Minor complaint, but I know how detail-oriented everyone is around here....

On Eko's stick, he lists the book of "Revelations".
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x10/jesusStick.jpg (http://http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x10/jesusStick.jpg)

However, the name of this book in the Bible has no "s" on it - its just "Revelation."

Was this an error on Eko's part or is it on the part of the show creators who may not have much knowledge of the Bible?

Looking at the picture, it looks like Revelation 5:3 (And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look into it.)

One of the funniest lines to date.. "and what if I don't ... whatcha gonna do... beat me with your JESUS STICK?" (I'm paraphrasing of course)... hilarious. I couldn't stop giggling...

Funniest quote since, "you got some Arnzt on you"

Plus, Libby used to be on the sitcom "Titus".

I know, that's pretty lame........ :grin:
ROFL!! So, I guess someone needs to look at Titus episode 4 then and maybe a deep mystery will be revealed!!
I love this show...and maybe, now the scriptures really don't matter since Eko found his brother. If the stick doesn't show up again, he no longer needs to remember them...

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=839&pos=28

Here is a picture of the stick that I found. I was trying to see which verses were on there. Not that it makes a difference (for the show that is) but it is not Revelations, John only had one Revelation, therefore the book is not plural. I am trying to see what I can get out of the verses.

I'll post more as I come up with stuff. I left my good Study bible at church today, so hopefully tomorrow.

DP
At the very top of the stick I can make out John, but not sure if there is a number visible. And Colossians... well I haven't a clue what he needed to remember from that book. Too many themes.

What does it mean that Eko left the "Jesus Stick" behind when they walked off after the "Smoky" scene? Any ideas?

Oh good catch on the reveleation 5:3

i really believe leaving the stick behind is symbolizing leaving his past behind.

and i'm sure there's some enkidu/gilgamesh thing going on between locke and eko and the stick falls into play somewhere in there.

On Eko's stick, he lists the book of "Revelations".
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x10/jesusStick.jpg (http://http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x10/jesusStick.jpg)

However, the name of this book in the Bible has no "s" on it - its just "Revelation."

Eko refers to the writings as things he needs to remember. 'Remember' the recap ep was called Revalations. Things we 'need to remember'. I think it is referring to that. I think the writers were trying to point out what we need to focus on, and not waste our time on things that will not have any significants. Like the numbers. The writers have said the numbers will have no meaning in the end. Think about it. We seen no mention of the numbers in the recap ep.
And, Eko did not really leave his stick behind. When him and Charlie arrive at the plane, it is in Eko's hand. Check it out again. Maybe a filming error.

Can anyone tell me what the scriptures were on Eko's stick? I was able to catch the Books, but not the Chapter and Verse.

I'd really appreciate it, thanks!

Here's a pic that I made:

http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jesusstick9ua.jpg

I see
Rvelations:3
"Hateth"
Colossians (close, it's missing an s)
Titus:
T:4
23 Psalm
Bal---- (can't read, it's on the far side)

Does anybody have a screencap of last night's episode where it shows what verses Eko carved out on his stick? Thanks!

Well, my avatar is a cap of that. But, I've looked it over myself and there is no reference shown entirely. It's either just a book name like "Colossians", or just a verse with no chapter, or a chapter with no verse. For example: "Titus :3" is shown with no chapter. Also, the word "HATETH" is carved in there.
I couldn't make much of it yet...

what's bugging me is that T:4 thing... did he slip while carving it & that's a 1? Titus doesn't have a 7th chapter... um... T sounds kinda like 3 when spoken??

don't know.

FYI: if you don't wanna dig out your Bible (if you have one) to look up this stuff there's this cool website where you can search my keyword or address in numerous translations & versions & languages: http://www.biblegateway.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_15 is the only link i found for "Hateth"
To me that other word looked like "coinsians"?? I have no idea if its right. Any thoughts?

What does it mean that Eko left the "Jesus Stick" behind when they walked off after the "Smoky" scene? Any ideas?

No idea. I'm not sure if that means he's come to peace with things and doesn't need it. Or maybe he'll go back and pick it up. :biggrin:

The numbers cant just be forgotten , they are everywhere.

Mental institute
Lottery
Radio
Hatch
Medicine (Desmonds)

It has to be explained !

It's called the book of Revelations. The name itself is plural.

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=839&pos=28

Here is a picture of the stick that I found. I was trying to see which verses were on there. Not that it makes a difference (for the show that is) but it is not Revelations, John only had one Revelation, therefore the book is not plural. I am trying to see what I can get out of the verses.

I'll post more as I come up with stuff. I left my good Study bible at church today, so hopefully tomorrow.

DP

I've been thinking a lot about that term "hateth" -- has to be from the New King James Version of the bible, because it has outdated language, and it's a funny word to be written on a stick full of verses. I kept remembering something about hating your brother in the new testament, so I looked it up on www.biblegateway.com (http://www.biblegateway.com). There's a number of verses about hating your brother that I found in 1 John, and here they are. Any thoughts? (these are all in the King James Version, to match the language on Eko's stick.)

1 John 2:9
He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
1 John 2:11
But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
1 John 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 4:20
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

I've been thinking a lot about that term "hateth" -- has to be from the New King James Version of the bible, because it has outdated language, and it's a funny word to be written on a stick full of verses. I kept remembering something about hating your brother in the new testament, so I looked it up on www.biblegateway.com (http://www.biblegateway.com). There's a number of verses about hating your brother that I found in 1 John, and here they are. Any thoughts? (these are all in the King James Version, to match the language on Eko's stick.)
1 John 2:9
He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
1 John 2:11
But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
1 John 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 4:20
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Instead of Eko hating his brother, could he hate what he has become?

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What does it mean that Eko left the "Jesus Stick" behind when they walked off after the "Smoky" scene? Any ideas?


No idea. I'm not sure if that means he's come to peace with things and doesn't need it. Or maybe he'll go back and pick it up. :biggrin:
Snabbygail - I posted in post 24 the following. Maybe you didn't read it. Check it out.
;-)

And, Eko did not really leave his stick behind. When him and Charlie arrive at the plane, it is in Eko's hand. Check it out again. Maybe a filming error.

Instead of Eko hating his brother, could he hate what he has become?

We all know his brother, Yemi, hated what Eko had become.

Gumpy5 -- I think the "Ba--" at the top of the stick could be the book of Baruch. Just a possibility.

Tamar108 -- "coinsians" is probably Colossians.

Instead of Eko hating his brother, could he hate what he has become?
Eh...just an observation.. Yemi was never hated by Eko.
Instead of Yemi hating Eko....he would hate what Eko had become ?
Sounds more logical...

Why would Eko hate Yemi ?
He's a priest.... You dont hate priests unless you are against Christianity.
I think Eko held on to his faith, even as a criminal.

Eko knows he's a sinner, thats why he is such a compassionate man as a priest..., and vice versa brutal as the criminal.

And Colossians... well I haven't a clue what he needed to remember from that book. Too many themes.

From Colossians:
"Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. 22But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel."

Think of Eko not fearing the smoke--he had faith in God. Remember what his brother said about not fearing death and facing God, etc. and that Eko would (essentially) not be forgiven for his bad deeds. This Colossians passage "proves" to Eko that Christ's sacrifice and faith in God redeems him.

How about this reference:

Psalm 11:5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=11&verse=5&version=9&context=verse)
The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Personally, I feel that as the writers told us to we did pay attention to the stick and noticed the scriptures and I think the significance will become clear when we know more of Eko's backstory.

My theory is that if Eko did leave the stick behind after he saw into the black smoke, perhaps he saw the eye of the island as Locke said and therefore no longer needed the stick (which was also a weapon). He knows there is no danger on the island for him or something. Locke never carries a weapon does he (assuming the knife is jsut to cut through the jungle and so)? Did Locke once say that he didn't need a weapon?

EDIT: Just watched the epi, but didn't see Eko leaving the stick behind. Who suggested it and where did he/she see it?

Just thinking that, like the numbers, maybe the scriptures mean nothing. There have been so many things that don't add up and are inconsistent. the only thing on Eko's stick that may have mattered is Psalm 23 for the episode.
Oh well, new epi tonight, looks good, will give us new things to think about. Go get Lost in Lost tonight, OK?

T14 - Possible reference to 1 Timothy 4 - The following summary of the first passage seems quite relevant to Eko and his wont to "remember".

The apostle would have Timothy to instil into the minds of Christians such sentiments as might prevent their being seduced by the judaizing teachers. Observe, Those are good ministers of Jesus Christ who are diligent in their work; not that study to advance new notions, but that put the brethren in remembrance of those things which they have received and heard. Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though you knew them, 2 Pet. i. 12. And elsewhere, I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance, 2 Pet. iii. 1. And, says the apostle Jude, I will therefore put you in remembrance, Jude 5. You see that the apostles and apostolical men reckoned it a main part of their work to put their hearers in remembrance; for we are apt to forget, and slow to learn and remember, the things of God.--Nourished up in the words of faith and good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. Observe, 1. Even ministers themselves have need to be growing and increasing in the knowledge of Christ and his doctrine: they must be nourished up in the words of faith. 2. The best way for ministers to grow in knowledge and faith is to put the brethren in remembrance; while we teach others, we teach ourselves. 3. Those whom ministers teach are brethren, and are to be treated like brethren; for ministers are not lords of God's heritage.

Thanks Cimamin! I was trying to figure out that one. Timothy certainly fits.

"HATETH" could be a mnemonic rather that a quote. There isn't much room on the stick for whole phrases, so maybe Eko reduced a saying this way.

T:4 could be a reference to the non-cannonical Gospel of Thomas:

Thomas:4 is:

Jesus said, "The man old in days will not hesitate to ask a
small child seven days old about the place of life, and he will
live. For many who are first will become last, and they will
become one and the same."

We certainly have lots of "children are important" issues running around.