In "Special", did anyone else notice that before the polar bear appeared and Walt hid inside the tree, a cloud of white smoke or fog developed through the trees, and moved from left to right? I don't recall seeing any discussion on this and didn't find anything on a Search. The impression being that the white smoke/fog materialized into the polar bear, although that was not shown directly.


ETA 1/13/06: this old thread has been merged into the new thread....really good info in here but new posts are a few pages down.
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=706039&postcount=24

Yes!! I noticed this, too, and thought I was seeing things; white smoke, as opposed to the black smoke we saw in the finale. More black & white. What gives? :huh:

Why am I not seeing this? Did it happen around the time when Walt drops the leash and runs after Vincent, or later when Michael and Locke arrive?

You got me curious, so I looked at some screencaps



http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=172&pos=574
white smoke

Hmm, interesting. It looks like there's a puff of white smoke from it's paw when it swipes at Walt, too.

You got me curious, so I looked at some screencaps



http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=172&pos=574
white smoke


Blamo, I only checked one site out of many. There are probably more piks with this white smoke.

Blamo, I only checked one site out of many. There are probably more piks with this white smoke.

The one you posted shows it clearly. I looked through the ep, and that's the only point I saw where there's a "cloud" of smoke.

The spot that I was talking about where smoke comes from the bear's paw is at 36:19, just after Michael says "I'm comin' man." I don't think it would show up in a screen cap very well, but if you have the ep you can see it.

Very cool....I'm going to have to check that out better when the dvd comes out.

No way!! White smoke? I totally have to check this out and I checked that screencap, i never noticed it was smoke, i just thought it was the top of the bear or something, THAT is interesting and definetly deserves some more observing and figuring out, also...speaking of white smoke, what gives to the strange white smoke on exodus pt 1 when Walt sees Danielle walking in the woods? I do believe there is smoke there as well, i have the eppi on my data cd, im gonna put it in and recheck, im for SURE thats smoke

White smoke and black smoke, another fasincating black/white reference

"what gives to the strange white smoke on exodus pt 1 when Walt sees Danielle walking in the woods? I do believe there is smoke there as well, i have the eppi on my data cd, im gonna put it in and recheck, im for SURE thats smoke"
I didn't think of that as white smoke, but just early-morning mist. It was spread all over the wooded area behind the beach, not concentrated in one place.

LOL Okay just making sure because i was wondering that, lol

Speaking of white, who would of thunk it that at the end of Tabula Rasa, both Jack and Kate would BOTH be wearing white shirts, considence (sp?) or done on purpose for a hidden clue of some sorts?

Going with the white and black referencing,

White represents purity, perfection, peace, innocence, dignity, cleanliness, awareness, and new beginnings. You may be experiencing a reawakening or have a fresh outlook on life. However, in Eastern cultures, white is associated with death and mourning.

"3 days ago we all died, we should all be able to start over"-Jack

interesting connection to what Jack said and the meaning for White? VERY!


Black
Black symbolizes the unknown, unconscious, danger, mystery, darkness, death, mourning, hate or malice.

If the feeling in the dream is one of joy, blackness could imply hidden spirituality and divine qualities.

Black Rock
Black smoke monster
Charlie's black hoodie
Black crystals
Black backhammon piece

Could this match with Charlie's faith-
blackness could imply hidden spirituality and divine qualities.

these color meanings are way too interesting!

Wow, good work. Re: Black implying "hidden spirituality", that would definitely refer to Charlie. The Black/white references keep showing up; the black rock/white rock that show up on the Adam & Eve skeletons (which Jack takes)....Definite, a new beginning.

thank you thank you *bows* and the meaning for white completely describes Charlie if you take a look through Charlie's life, and what it says,

lets break it down, the ones that describe him best


perfection- Charlie's perfection of life, everything going so well for him (before the heroin habit)

new beginnings- Charlie throwing the heroin in the fire, throwing away his old self, and beginning with a new

You may be experiencing a reawakening or have a fresh outlook on life- his near death experience has changed him, throwing the heroin in the fire, regainin the faith he once had in himself and becoming a better person

However, in Eastern cultures, white is associated with death and mourning- mourning when claire was taken, Boone's death, his very own near death experience
'
thats just some of it that describes Charlie


the black saying about hidden spirituality definetly describes his faith and his religiousness, thats so awesome

*gasp* adam and eve...black and white crystals...new beginning....OMG...wait...you remember how Kate said she didnt want to be eve, could kate and jack be the adam and eve, could they be the start of the beginning?\

i hope im making sense, but maybe Kate and Jack are the start of the world, that revolves around the island, they are the adam and eve, they are the new beginning

ahh im trying to get this to make sense, please tell me its making sense!

The white fog/smoke I am referring to appears through the trees and actually seems to be developing, reforming, and moving to the right...it is soon before we see Walt in the tree...by the time you see Walt in the tree, you missed it, back up, and play it in slo mo.

bumping this to see if anyone else wants to check it out

I guess it can't just be humidity or fog right?

Blooper, it was the glass separating Walt and the polar bear.

If Walt made the bear materialise through his 'special' powers why did it attack him? and not say for example, his dad. After all he did burn the comic and Walt seemed to be annoyed with him....:confused:

tabbyrasa...i see something like smoke... or maybe it is suppose to be the breath of the polar bear...thats intense watching walt (MDK)in slo-mo he looks terrified...
skybluelost:-))

I see what you mean. I like your ideas LostFanForever.

Hmm...I dont know what the fog could be....

Skybluelost...hmmm, maybe the bear's breath. But I lean toward it being fog/smoke that materialized into the bear. Time will tell, no?

I'm just surprised there wasn't more discussion here about it, but then again,
I didn't notice it until I watched that segment in slo-mo.

Locke says there are two sides. One light one dark. Yin and Yang reference. White smoke made the bear? Check out what the black smoke does in episode one pilot. http://need-name.com/mboard/files/smoke1_208.gif. No credit for this gif goes to me, but I did confirm it with the episode. Watch the explosion in slow motion and you'll see it plain as day. I got this info from the fuselage website. pretty darn neat huh? http://www.thetailsection.com/forums/showpost.php?p=724&postcount=1

Sure wish someone would watch this segment and confirm that they're seeing what I'm seeing. I still don't understand why there hasn't been more discussion and speculation on this...

Do we also have a White Smoke Monster????????????????????

Back in August I posted a new thread:
White smoke/fog before polar bear goes after Walt (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=17539)
In "Special", did anyone else notice that before the polar bear appeared and Walt hid inside the tree, a cloud of white smoke or fog developed through the trees, and moved from left to right? I don't recall seeing any discussion on this and didn't find anything on a Search. The impression being that the white smoke/fog materialized into the polar bear, although that was not shown directly.

I don't have caps yet of that sequence...working on it though.

Here's a cap from the above referenced thread:
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=172&pos=574

With the well-known black/white recurring theme in LOST, and having viewed the 23rd Psalm and Eko's experience with the "black smoke monster"...tarf posted this
(partial quote):the smoke so far has always been black
Kate saw black smoke which enabled the Losties to find the cockpit
the Others' arrival was announced by a pillar of black smoke
The Swarm is black smoke

Smoke is not always black, it depends on what "burns" and causes the smoke

Black and White smoke have a symbolism in the Catholic Faith
When a new Pope is elected, they will burn hay in a dedicated chimney
Depending if the hay is dry or wet, the smoke will be black or white
If white smoke arises, a new Pope has been elected, if Black smoke is seen, this means that they were not able to elect a new Pope yet

So my question here is : Where is the White smoke ?

It seems to fit in the "mirrors theory" thread, since a white smoke would be the mirror image (negative) of the black smoke

This seems relevant since ever since the start of the show we have had this black/white opposition (the stones on Adam and Eve's bodies, backgammon, etc)

If the "swarm" (aka the smoke) is somehow related to people's thought, it would be logical to think there might be a "white smoke monster"
And why would it be logical ?
well it all lies in the colors themselves
In the brain is what is called "gray matter". See where i want to go ?
Black - Gray - White

The smoke would not be the mirror, but the person would be that mirror, the point where black and white merge. Black on one side of the mirror, white on the other side, and in between stands the person, who is litterally the mirror

So here, we might have 2 "monsters" as Locke said about Backgammon (2 sides, one light one dark)

in the
mirror thread (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=704670&postcount=1127)about the possibility of a white smoke monster...

There's been many instances of seeing white smoke in LOST...but take a look at the polar bear sequence mentioned above...that's the best "white smoke monster" example I know of (so far)...

New thread started "The White Smoke Monster"...please discuss there...
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=706039#post706039

Copycat! (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=32257)

Tabby,

Nice! I posted on that same mirror thread that perhaps the monster is "white smoke" for certain people and "black smoke" for others; perhaps even "white" or "black" depending on emotion, as tarf speculates. But, I never noticed the white fog in that episode. It went right over my head. So, could this single entity be white fog/black smoke?

I just watched that whole polar bear sequence. There was not any white smoke in it. And that screen cap of locke, thats just either camera glare, or, more likeley, just part of the foreground which is out of focus - becaus it isn't anything that's meant to be seen.

I just watched that whole polar bear sequence. There was not any white smoke in it. And that screen cap of locke, thats just either camera glare, or, more likeley, just part of the foreground which is out of focus - becaus it isn't anything that's meant to be seen.

I have to agree.

Spotting Smokeys in Lost is much like contacting aliens in real life:

The flying carpet and oxygen mask smokies from the Pilot are inconclusive and have a lot of people arguing = UFOs

Smokey from Exodus and 23 Psalm were obvious and beyond a shadow of a doubt = Contact with the real thing.






Hey, I just noticed that both of the epis that featured Smokey were named after books of the Bible!

Hunh...

Copycat! (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=32257)
Ouch! I would prefer "great minds think alike!" (along with tarf and JohnnyREB1977)!!!:) I didn't see your thread, imfromthepast...it took me a while to compose mine with the quotes and links, etc...

Also, I figured (pun intended) the mirror thread is so huge since it covers all mirrors and reflections for the whole show, so this topic should be a sideline from that one...


Tabby,

Nice! I posted on that same mirror thread that perhaps the monster is "white smoke" for certain people and "black smoke" for others; perhaps even "white" or "black" depending on emotion, as tarf speculates. But, I never noticed the white fog in that episode. It went right over my head. So, could this single entity be white fog/black smoke?
Good point...it could be either way. Please view this sequence in "Special", JohnnyREB...am curious if you see it too. I'll go to the old thread and copy the additional details on where it is and post it in this thread ETA: here is my quote:

The white fog/smoke I am referring to appears through the trees and actually seems to be developing, reforming, and moving to the right...it is soon before we see Walt in the tree...by the time you see Walt in the tree, you missed it, back up, and play it in slo mo.


Kel_C and imfromthepast: I wish you could see it...I've asked someone to do a video cap for us...it's there in the epi...it really is.:biggrin:

tabbyrasa i got your back on this one...we have talked before of the white smoke? i liked your points...i thought it was the breath of the polar bear...but leaning more towards the black and white of it...good and bad...angel and devil...everytime i watch special i think of the conversation and think of the white smoke...
skybluelost:-)

tabbyrasa i got your back on this one...we have talked before of the white smoke? i liked your points...i thought it was the breath of the polar bear...but leaning more towards the black and white of it...good and bad...angel and devil...everytime i watch special i think of the conversation and think of the white smoke...
skybluelost:-)
just wanted to add... after reading posts...there is white smoke in special....just double checked...yup, white smoke...
skybluelost:-)

tabbyrasa i got your back on this one...we have talked before of the white smoke? i liked your points...i thought it was the breath of the polar bear...but leaning more towards the black and white of it...good and bad...angel and devil...everytime i watch special i think of the conversation and think of the white smoke...
LOL...thanks! Yep I have requested the old thread be merged into here...
Check out tarf''s and JohnnyREB's comments in the mirror thread (link in post #1)!

I wonder if it's a black/white good/evil thing? Whatever forces/entities are at work here have harnessed the technology of the Dharma projects and there is a battle going on for the souls of the Losties???

The white smoke scared Walt...Eko wasn't afraid of the black smoke...hmmmmm....

Did Kate see any white smoke when they found the pilot and she hid in the tree, terrified?
Did Charlie see any when he ran and fell? And what the heck did Jack see (and do)when he disappeared for a little while???

So many questions...

ETA for clarity

I didn't see this thread (or the other one merged here)
posting to keep track

we'll be better here than in the mirrors thread (even though they may have some common grounds)

Something i found interesting on this thread was the mention of the white smoke taking the form of the polar bear
even though it may only have been a camera glare, this is a possibility i have thought of (in one of the nanobots threads)

The main line of this theory was that the "monster" was not nanobots, but was a sentient entity with shapeshifting abilities

we saw that there were some flashes of light inside smokey (it was shot so we had a clear view of this)
Atoms are held together by the EM force, so the basic assumption was that maybe smokey's mollecules were able to rearrange freely, they are held by an EM field, but it can change its shape
therefore it should also be able to change its color

now for the "dish of the day" : Is the pilot really dead ?
I hear you, you yell "NO MORE OF THIS" :)

this is a direct answer to TabbyRasa's

Ad what the heck did Jack see when he disappeared for a little while???


now smokey was after them. Charlie and Kate ran in one direction, while Jack disappeared
I was toying with the idea that Jack was in position to see smokey too soon
smokey then rearranged itself to take the shape of the pilot and "hide" up in a tree

well I know how silly it sounds, but both smokey and jack disappeared at the same time

the other idea i was toying around with, was that Walt's apparitions were actually smokey being controlled by Walt, who uses it to take his form and project his image

there might be lots of holes in this theory, but who knows :)

Something i found interesting on this thread was the mention of the white smoke taking the form of the polar bear
even though it may only have been a camera glare, this is a possibility i have thought of (in one of the nanobots threads)

Not camera glare...it is white smoke/fog moving, changing shape...I am very close to posting recording times so you can look, but someone is working on a video cap. There are even bear growls that sound kinda spooky and I've asked someone to look into those (our own 'Lage Whisper people), now that we know that Black Smokey was talking to Eko. ( The Whispers (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=25491&highlight=The+Whispers) ) Shapeshifter...we're on the same page, tarf!

Also, did you know that the flashes were lit-up images from Eko's past? Speaking of monsters, here is the montrous humongous merged monster thread (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=31812) which has several sets of screencaps with the images, done by several people.

Is the fog, seen when Jack was chasing his father in "White Rabbit', white smoke?

Is the fog, seen when Jack was chasing his father in "White Rabbit', white smoke?
Very, very good question!!! Haven't watched it in a while though. Of course I am wondering about all occurances of white smoke now.:biggrin:

OK...a HUGE thanks to metallidevils, who made this video cap (http://s57.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0UL3MN293P0UY28GHNZ7D0IMZD)of the jungle scene with the White Smoke Monster...after the camera pans from left to right (with no Walt in the scene), look for a thin stream of white smoke/fog that runs from left to right, behind the big tree...and it billows up behind Walt and the tree. The billowing smoke is right before the final closeup shot of Walt's face.

I am suggesting that this smoke is of a similar nature to the black smoke monster that Eko encountered in 23rd Psalm. And that it flows thru the jungle, billows up to take shape and becomes the polar bear we see after the commercials that follow this video cap. Of course we're not lucky enough to actually see the shaping into the polar bear on screen. I should mention that prior to this video cap, Walt is walking with Vincent through the jungle, the first bear growl is heard and Vincent barks and then runs off. Walt drops the leash and runs after Vincent. There's a flashback to the Walt/Susan/Brian/dead bird scene, and then after the commercial, this video begins. After this video, Walt goes and hides in the tree and we see the polar bear attacking.

metallidevils also made this
still cap of stream of white smoke (http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9893/lost1x14special14200015gl.jpg)behind the big tree cluster

I still need a cap of the billowed smoke behind Walt.

All of this is from the epi, not "enhanced".

Tabby: I know exactly what you are talking about. I remember the scene and thinking that it was odd for the Polar Bear's breath to seem as though it was still in an arctic area. You can only see breath in the cold or if someone is smoking.

It makes much more sense for it to be White Smoke than it does for the Polar Bear's breath to be seen as an exhale on a hot tropical Island. Of course you must believe that both White and Black Smoke are more than they seem in order to believe any of this. I do believe in the significance of the smoke.

OK...a HUGE thanks to metallidevils, who made this video cap (http://s57.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0UL3MN293P0UY28GHNZ7D0IMZD)of the jungle scene with the White Smoke Monster...after the camera pans from left to right (with no Walt in the scene), look for a thin stream of white smoke/fog that runs from left to right, behind the big tree...and it billows up behind Walt and the tree. The billowing smoke is right before the final closeup shot of Walt's face.

I am suggesting that this smoke is of a similar nature to the black smoke monster that Eko encountered in 23rd Psalm. And that it flows thru the jungle, billows up to take shape and becomes the polar bear we see after the commercials that follow this video cap. Of course we're not lucky enough to actually see the shaping into the polar bear on screen. I should mention that prior to this video cap, Walt is walking with Vincent through the jungle, the first bear growl is heard and Vincent barks and then runs off. Walt drops the leash and runs after Vincent. There's a flashback to the Walt/Susan/Brian/dead bird scene, and then after the commercial, this video begins. After this video, Walt goes and hides in the tree and we see the polar bear attacking.

metallidevils also made this
still cap of stream of white smoke (http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9893/lost1x14special14200015gl.jpg)behind the big tree cluster

I still need a cap of the billowed smoke behind Walt.

All of this is from the epi, not "enhanced".

I like your overall premise but have to disagree about the Polar Bear being the smoke. There was a prior encounter with a Polar Bear and Sawyer shot and killed it. It was tangible and real. Therefore I have trouble with the thought of the Polar Bear that Walt encountered being a Smoke Monster.

Tabby: I know exactly what you are talking about. I remember the scene and thinking that it was odd for the Polar Bear's breath to seem as though it was still in an arctic area. You can only see breath in the cold or if someone is smoking.

It makes much more sense for it to be White Smoke than it does for the Polar Bear's breath to be seen as an exhale on a hot tropical Island. Of course you must believe that both White and Black Smoke are more than they seem in order to believe any of this. I do believe in the significance of the smoke.

I did not think about the polar bear's breath, although I know some said they saw it. In a weird way, it would be interesting if it was breath, even though on a tropical Island.
But I did not see any smoke/breath coming from the bear. metallidevils said he saw smoke when Walt is in the tree and the bear is there, so hopefully he can provide a video or cap.

I like your overall premise but have to disagree about the Polar Bear being the smoke. There was a prior encounter with a Polar Bear and Sawyer shot and killed it. It was tangible and real. Therefore I have trouble with the thought of the Polar Bear that Walt encountered being a Smoke Monster.
True, and the DeGroots were studying Zoology. In my mind, it is possible for there to be both real and shapeshifted polar bears on the Island. The real ones might have been inspiration or models for the shapeshifters.

I keep thinking there is more than one thing going on and going wrong...and it seems like there are so many mysteries they can't be explained by just one thing.

If the stream of smoke flowing and then billowing behind Walt's tree did not turn into the polar bear, then what could it be? A spy? A ghost (Parapsychology project)? Just regular old fog, or perhaps artificially created (Meterology project)?

ok I think I have something here

I think we are wrong with the White smoke theory

actually the polar bear was the key. Not by its breath but by its fur
The discussions we had a while back gave us the information that its fur would almost make it invisible if seen through infrared googles
because its fur will not allow any heat to radiate form it, to protect it from the cold

The answer is in the light

We assume that the opposite of black is white, but here it's not
It would be true if we merely looked at the colors like they are used for computer graphics
hexadecimal values of FFFFFFFF vs 000000 (or 255,255,255 vs 0,0,0 in RGB)

But we're dealing with light and what we see with our eyes here
imagine a Black wall blocking the view, the opposite is a white wall only if you focus on the color
but it's not just a color issue, it's a function issue. Smokey has a function, so maybe its opposite also has an opposite function
the opposite function of a black wall blocking the view would then be a see-through window

Black will absord every light radiation's wavelength from the spectrum, and we see something black
Now imagine that white smokey does not absorb any wavelength. If it reflects every part of the spectrum, we would see it perfectly white, but if the light was able to pass through it

yup this means white smokey is invisible, transparent

but it is composed of elements which might be transparent but transparent the way water is, which means there is some refraction

If white smokey was "transparent" in the way water is, you could still see the outline of its "cells"

Take black smokey, and make each of its "cells" transparent, with just some of the outlines showing
what would you get ?

yup droplets of water

now think of Walt's apparitions, where he seems all wet
I think we saw white smokey, it took Walt's appearance on at least 2 occasions

Nice catch of the "white smoke". I wish I had some screen caps of whatever it was that was pulling Locke down into the hole in Exodus Part 2 from Season 1. It appears to me to be a tentacle of some sort...and it was white-ish. The now familiar "black smokey" was swirling around the tentacle as it pulled Locke down. Here's a screen cap of the Black Smokey pulling Locke down....

http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season1/exodus2-3/exoduspart2-0640.jpg

Now after the explosion, there looks like white smoke coming out of the hole...

http://www.lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season1/exodus2-3/normal_exoduspart2-0672.jpg

If we do have do different smoke clouds here...maybe one is "good" and one is "bad". The Black Smokey actually working to protect the plane survivors and the White Smokey working to destroy them...

Just some thoughts!

:)

good vs bad does not seem to fit Lost
the main characters are supposed to be the "good guys", but they all are killers, sinners and stuff
and we have Eko the killing, drug smuggling priest
the tailies taken by force because they were "good"
I think neither side is good (it's the greater good vs the lesser evil)
Black and White (as per the stones, the backgammon pieces, the smoke) are shown to be oppositions. And we may think there will be a choice to be made "a la The Stand" between Good and Evil
what if the point was not to choose at all but remain neutral ?
not black, not white, but gray

Adam and Eve had the stones, one black on white, but both stones were in one bag, not one stone on each body
Backgammon pieces come in the same number wether black or white
it's equilibrium, balance

Black and White smokeys might be at war, and might both be evil entities
i!t's Eko's dilemna. Let his brother shoot the old man and lose him, or shoot the old man himself and lose his brother as well
It's a no win situation

This was mentionned very early in the show, by Jack's father : "Don't choose, don't decide"

Yes!! I noticed this, too, and thought I was seeing things; white smoke, as opposed to the black smoke we saw in the finale. More black & white. What gives? :huh:

More white and black, like the game Locke teaches Walt, is it backgammon?!

One Light side and One Dark side, Light and Dark smoke?

Crehan, yes it is backgammon. :)

Posted this in the Tiberius thread and had to bring it over here and to the mirrors thread:

Kimbers and everybody else!

I just had the greatest idea! This gets into figurative mirrors a lot...but, what if Smokey has its own Daddy Issues and Abandonmen issues? Smokey is the incident and everybody got the heck out of Dodge, leaving it all alone on the island -- except for the occasional plane or research ship crash.

What got me to thinking this is an idea I came up with an hour and half ago (more or less). Smokey is reaching Singularity, which to me means it's reaching full consciousness and trying to create its own character. Smokey's interaction with Eko, and previously with Locke, was like a baby finding something new and interesting and trying to learn about it.

....We assume that the opposite of black is white, but here it's not....



Interesting points, tarf. Don't know why but it makes me think of the question Neil Young posed in a song lyric, "What is the color when black is burned?"

My head hurts!

People...this is just phenomenal stuff! I was a total skeptic, until I read the full thread. Two monsters: one black, one white. I'm beginning to believe...

But I'd still like to see something more definitive in terms of screen caps.

I'd say the video clip posted is pretty friggin' good. It doesn't seem like it'd a "smoke machine", since there's no fog or other smoke around in any other seens. Just that smoke, billowing and moving left to right across the screen behind walt...

rvt

EDITED TO INCLUDE: I've posted a question to Javi about this white smoke...he pretty well put the kibosh on black smokey being in the pilot episode, causing any kind of desctruction. Hopefully he'll give us a yea or nay on if the white smokey is real or just a cigar...

Its not smoke..its water. Looks like rapids.

great thread tabby, glad i could help. i'll keep looking into this and capturing what i can

Its not smoke..its water. Looks like rapids.

I couldn't see any white smoke whatsoever, just a river behind Walt...

thanks tabbyrasa for hooking us up with metaldevils and the caps...went back watched where the white smoke forms behind walt...or something white...now i have to correct myself...at 00:28:30 00:14:45 on dvd u can see the white smoke appears to be, and sounds like it when listened to carefully as rushing water...as he is trying to figure the sounds out that he is hearing...a bear?...u can see the confusion on his face...that sound does not belong here...now camera angles differently where u don't see white behind walt but just a tree line...and i don't know how to look at this but tabbyrasa the interaction between the polar and walt and smoke comes inside the tree at 00:33:25 00:09:50...u see walt scream and the smoke/ swirl around...hope this helps
skybluelost:-)

Is the fog, seen when Jack was chasing his father in "White Rabbit', white smoke?

Mr. Find - I was just rewatching this episode yesterday and that part caught my attention. For anyone with the dvd - it occurs 20:45 into White Rabbit - as Jack is yelling "Where are you?!" in the jungle. The fog/smoke is not stagnant - but blowing around. At 20:49 - Jack's father appears behind him. It does occur earlier also - at 18:41 - and Jack's father appears there also. But the fog/smoke is more prominent in the 20:45 scene.

Mr. Find - I didn't read this thread until after I rewatched the episode - so your post really jumped out at me.

Tarf I like the transparent idea. During the scene prior to Locke getting reeled in by whatever was underground I remember seeing something moving in the jungle but nothing was there. It remonded me of the movie predator when the alien was cloaked and you could see something but it seemed to blend into the background, I have looked for screen caps but can only find captures of the reaction of Jack and Kate. If someone has the dvd please look at the sequence and you will see what I'm talking about.

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=486&pos=597

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=486&pos=598

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=486&pos=600

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=486&pos=601

By far the biggest instance of white smoke or fog occurs when Walt is taken by the boat people. Remember all those little darty things we all assumed were bugs or dust mites flitting in it? I don't have the episode on tape, but someone who does might want to check it out and see if there was more to this phenomenon than originally thought.
-NotPurgatory

Guys it's water. There is no white smokey monster...thanks for pointing that out to me!

rvt

Tarf I like the transparent idea. During the scene prior to Locke getting reeled in by whatever was underground I remember seeing something moving in the jungle but nothing was there. It remonded me of the movie predator when the alien was cloaked and you could see something but it seemed to blend into the background, I have looked for screen caps but can only find captures of the reaction of Jack and Kate. If someone has the dvd please look at the sequence and you will see what I'm talking about.

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=486&pos=597

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=486&pos=598

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=486&pos=600

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=486&pos=601

Lostbylost - the scene you refer to happens at 43:36 into Exodus Part II on the dvd. It reminded me of Predator also when I first saw it.

Tabby - I really like this thread!

Lostbylost - the scene you refer to happens at 43:36 into Exodus Part II on the dvd. It reminded me of Predator also when I first saw it.

Tabby - I really like this thread!

Thanks Punky. It really enchances Tarf's supposition of a transparent monster.

Guys, I'm pretty sure those reaction shots were from when they see the black smoke flitter by (just as Eko saw it before it attacked). Kate asks Jack if he saw it, as I recall.

But I still like the idea of a "light" smoke, and here's why. It could plausibly explain why the dark always gets all smashy smashy when it nears them. Maybe the dark smoke is attacking some nearby manifestation of its light counterpart.

At the end of Exodus part 2 and beginning of Exodus part 3, Locke sees the monster above him when he is on the ground and looks terrified. Then the "Black" smoke monster grabs his leg and begins reeling him in. He tells Jack to let him go that he will be alright. Is it possible that he sees the "White/Transparent" smoke monster which terrifies him and the Black smoke monster is pulling him away to protect him?

By far the biggest instance of white smoke or fog occurs when Walt is taken by the boat people. Remember all those little darty things we all assumed were bugs or dust mites flitting in it? I don't have the episode on tape, but someone who does might want to check it out and see if there was more to this phenomenon than originally thought.
-NotPurgatory


Great point. I remember thinking it was odd that there was fog or ashey particles in the air. It would make sense for it to be the outline or unformed white smoke monster.

Here is another video clip (very brief) that shows Walt in the tree, with the polar bear attacking (S1 Special)...you can see a faint wisp of white smoke (http://www.sendspace.com/file/m3jov9)or mist/fog when Walt yells "Dad!"...

As tarf pointed out elsewhere, it would be unlikely to see the polar bear's breath in a tropical climate.

ETA Walt yells, not Michael
My bad: I forgot to give credit to metallidevils for creating this video!
updated link

To me it simply just looks like a piece of the polar bears coat very close to the camera.

Also, why not ask Javi?, although i`m pretty sure this theory is totaly bogus.

It's like good and evil.

To me it simply just looks like a piece of the polar bears coat very close to the camera.

Also, why not ask Javi?, although i`m pretty sure this theory is totaly bogus.
Could be! That's one reason it's in the Speculation section. But I don't see any reason why there can't be a white monster, since there's a black monster...and there is such heavy use of the black/white theme in this show.

Why not ask Javi? Because I don't think he will give a straight answer (and rightfully so), if it would reveal a mystery too soon. If I ask him, it will be for entertainment purposes...which I have done in the past, just to see what funny, creative answer he will give.:)

Ok so here is another hairbrained observation... in the pilot when Jack is wandering around the beach around the wreckage, there is a lot of debris. People have reference black smoke to these scenes. But what about white smoke. I have specifically seen a white smoke trail fly over the wing. Is this just crash smoke? Or white smoke.

Ok so here is another hairbrained observation... in the pilot when Jack is wandering around the beach around the wreckage, there is a lot of debris. People have reference black smoke to these scenes. But what about white smoke. I have specifically seen a white smoke trail fly over the wing. Is this just crash smoke? Or white smoke.

Do you have a screencap for that? Sounds interesting.

No. I don't know how to do that. But it is about 3 minuts and 43 seconds into Pilot 1.

No! 3 minutes 40 seconds. Shannon screaming then Jack looks up then you see wing then smoke.

"what gives to the strange white smoke on exodus pt 1 when Walt sees Danielle walking in the woods? I do believe there is smoke there as well, i have the eppi on my data cd, im gonna put it in and recheck, im for SURE thats smoke"
I didn't think of that as white smoke, but just early-morning mist. It was spread all over the wooded area behind the beach, not concentrated in one place.
Elf-lady...thanks...sorry this thread dropped off the radar. Can you please provide a time into Exodus Part 1 (from the DVD)? That would help us take a look at it.

I guess it can't just be humidity or fog right?
Sure it could...or water, as some think. But I think it moves like fog or smoke. And after seeing 23rd Psalm, the black smoke monster, I want to investigate a possible white smoke monster.

Blooper, it was the glass separating Walt and the polar bear.
Ha ha!

If Walt made the bear materialise through his 'special' powers why did it attack him? and not say for example, his dad. After all he did burn the comic and Walt seemed to be annoyed with him....:confused:
I have no idea. If it was a real polar bear, maybe it was hungry. If it was an "unusual" polar bear, there's no telling...maybe it was mad about it's caricature being burned.:biggrin:

Tabby,
Nice! I posted on that same mirror thread that perhaps the monster is "white smoke" for certain people and "black smoke" for others; perhaps even "white" or "black" depending on emotion, as tarf speculates. But, I never noticed the white fog in that episode. It went right over my head. So, could this single entity be white fog/black smoke?
Oh, that's good! White fog...black smoke...I like that way of describing it. There's also a theory that miniMOD diabolo has that's pretty interesting, about the black "smoke"...it's on a thread called "Way out theory - or is it?", I believe. It seems that many are referring to it as smoke, but it may not actually be smoke.

tabbyrasa i got your back on this one...we have talked before of the white smoke? i liked your points...i thought it was the breath of the polar bear...but leaning more towards the black and white of it...good and bad...angel and devil...everytime i watch special i think of the conversation and think of the white smoke...
skybluelost:-)

just wanted to add... after reading posts...there is white smoke in special....just double checked...yup, white smoke...
skybluelost:-)
Cool! The one with Walt yelling "Dad!" is interesting because the puff of white smoke or mist looks like his exhalation (which doesn't make sense in a tropical climate).

Black and White smokeys might be at war, and might both be evil entities
i!t's Eko's dilemna. Let his brother shoot the old man and lose him, or shoot the old man himself and lose his brother as well
It's a no win situation
I hope that doesn't mean LOST doesn't have a happy ending.:)

I just had the greatest idea! This gets into figurative mirrors a lot...but, what if Smokey has its own Daddy Issues and Abandonmen issues? Smokey is the incident and everybody got the heck out of Dodge, leaving it all alone on the island -- except for the occasional plane or research ship crash.

What got me to thinking this is an idea I came up with an hour and half ago (more or less). Smokey is reaching Singularity, which to me means it's reaching full consciousness and trying to create its own character. Smokey's interaction with Eko, and previously with Locke, was like a baby finding something new and interesting and trying to learn about it.
I love the Smokey daddy and abandonment issues...an awesome concept...and that it may have been learning from Eko.

EDITED TO INCLUDE: I've posted a question to Javi about this white smoke...he pretty well put the kibosh on black smokey being in the pilot episode, causing any kind of desctruction. Hopefully he'll give us a yea or nay on if the white smokey is real or just a cigar...

Well, you know Javi...he's good at creative wording too. And I still don't think TPTB will give out answers to important mysteries before it's time to uncover them on-screen.

great thread tabby, glad i could help. i'll keep looking into this and capturing what i can

Cool...and thanks again for the file work. There's a couple in here to do, if you have the time.:)

the interaction between the polar and walt and smoke comes inside the tree at <snipped time>...u see walt scream and the smoke/ swirl around...
If you could please fix this time reference...there's a smilie in it.

Punky...glad you like it...me too...hopefully we'll discover some cool stuff out of it.
To those who think it's water: oh well...but look at the "billowing"...it doesn't look like water rapids to me, although I do hear what sounds like rushing water.


But I still like the idea of a "light" smoke, and here's why. It could plausibly explain why the dark always gets all smashy smashy when it nears them. Maybe the dark smoke is attacking some nearby manifestation of its light counterpart.

Hmmm...the smokies at war with each other...

I believe that we've seen the black smokey burst out of the ground like they are breaking through the surface from underground. I wonder where the white smoke monster comes from?

I had someone create a file of the polar bear growls from S1 Special. penyours just announced in the Monster (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=713065#post713065)thread that the polar bear growls have voices in them!!! I knew it...WOW!!! :biggrin:

No transcript or audio files to hear yet.

This kind of fits in with the "two monsters" theory... and would explain why the survivors were looking back and forth from the 'whooooo' noise to the smashing trees in the pilot episode. (Remember that?) Maybe one smokey was approaching the fusies, and the other was chasing it off?

Not sure if it'll pan out in the end, but I love the theory. It fits with the theme of the show perfectly.

Hmmm...the smokies at war with each other...

I believe that we've seen the black smokey burst out of the ground like they are breaking through the surface from underground. I wonder where the white smoke monster comes from?

Tabby,

From the air maybe?

I had someone create a file of the polar bear growls from S1 Special. penyours just announced in the Monster (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=713065#post713065)thread that the polar bear growls have voices in them!!! I knew it...WOW!!! :biggrin:

No transcript or audio files to hear yet.

Whoa...thanks for the heads up!

This kind of fits in with the "two monsters" theory... and would explain why the survivors were looking back and forth from the 'whooooo' noise to the smashing trees in the pilot episode. (Remember that?) Maybe one smokey was approaching the fusies, and the other was chasing it off?

Not sure if it'll pan out in the end, but I love the theory. It fits with the theme of the show perfectly.

I'm going to rewatch Exodus Part 2 tonight....I want to rewatch the scene where the monster is pulling Locke down into the hole. If my memory is correct, and there's a good chance that I could be mistaken, it seemed to me that the tentacle was white-ish. The Black Smokey seemed to be swirling around the tentacle. Maybe the Black Smokey was trying to free Locke?!?!?

I need to rewatch it to be sure though.

Just a thought!

:)

Okay, I still think the "white smoke" in the video is a stream...but with Pen saying she heard voices in the bear growl, I do have to stop and reconsider. You're all right, though. a white smokey fits perfectly with the show.

let's assume, then that White Smokey took the shape of the polar bear that chased Walt. In the pilot, Sawyer shot and killed (we saw blood) a polar bear. What are the chances of a real and a fake polar bear? Doesn't that seem a little...convenient?

or, maybe it fits...maybe the first one was real, and when Walt was in the woods, he started thinking about the bear, and WS (white smokey) pulled the thought from his head and took that shape...man all I know is this is getting to be too much work! :confused:

rvt

This kind of fits in with the "two monsters" theory... and would explain why the survivors were looking back and forth from the 'whooooo' noise to the smashing trees in the pilot episode. (Remember that?) Maybe one smokey was approaching the fusies, and the other was chasing it off?

Not sure if it'll pan out in the end, but I love the theory. It fits with the theme of the show perfectly.
Yes, it would. I'm not sure if two monsters of different types were in that scene...could even have been two of the same type. And since it was night, we didn't see any "smoke".
Tabby,
From the air maybe?
Hmmmm...could be...the black smoke monster might be associated with the element of earth, so it lives underground? And the white smoke monster is associated with the element of air? Makes me wonder if there's a water monster and a fire monster.

tarf has posted about the "invisibility" of some of the polar bear's hair...so I wonder if there is an aspect of the white smoke monster that is invisible, until it becomes voluntarily visible? To frighten/intimidate?
Okay, I still think the "white smoke" in the video is a stream...but with Pen saying she heard voices in the bear growl, I do have to stop and reconsider. You're all right, though. a white smokey fits perfectly with the show.
let's assume, then that White Smokey took the shape of the polar bear that chased Walt. In the pilot, Sawyer shot and killed (we saw blood) a polar bear. What are the chances of a real and a fake polar bear? Doesn't that seem a little...convenient?
or, maybe it fits...maybe the first one was real, and when Walt was in the woods, he started thinking about the bear, and WS (white smokey) pulled the thought from his head and took that shape...man all I know is this is getting to be too much work!

Maybe the monster uses the real polar bear (and other animals and even humans) as a model or pattern to shape itself? I really like your idea about the thought being pulled and utilized for the shaping! LOL...I know, it gets tempting to just watch the show and give up on the theorizing and analyzing! I know you and penyours have put a lot of time into the sound analysis and it is extreme-amundo appreciated!!! :)

Hmmmm...could be...the black smoke monster might be associated with the element of earth, so it lives underground? And the white smoke monster is associated with the element of air? Makes me wonder if there's a water monster and a fire monster.



Could the water monster possibly have manifested itself as a shark with a Dharma logo?:biggrin:

Could the water monster possibly have manifested itself as a shark with a Dharma logo?:biggrin:
Of course it could! In LOST-Land...:biggrin:

Hmmmm, I wonder if the Beechcraft fire will activate the fire monster?

I've been wondering why a future epi is called "Fire + Water"...

Hmmmm...could be...the black smoke monster might be associated with the element of earth, so it lives underground? And the white smoke monster is associated with the element of air? Makes me wonder if there's a water monster and a fire monster.

The above from Tabby:

Tabby,

You could be right, but I'm not sure if they (TPTB) would add in yet more monsters. However, is it reasonable to assume Black Smokey (Earth) and White Smokey (Heavens) or Smokey -- white/black when it wants to be -- might be able to manipulate fire and water respectively. Fire from the Earth in the form of lava and water from the air in the form of rain.

Of course it could! In LOST-Land...:biggrin:

Hmmmm, I wonder if the Beechcraft fire will activate the fire monster?

I've been wondering why a future epi is called "Fire + Water"...


I think it's because

"Fire + Water" are opposites on the Dharma Wheel. I am one of those folks who think that there is some element of I-Ching that plays a part in the show. I think the elements are all mixed up on the island. Remember when the tides were all coming in and everyone had to pull the luggage in from the beach? I think that's because Desmond was last on the trigger (button) and the elements got messed up. Also Sun & Jin are complementary (i.e. opposite symbols in the I-Ching. I'm tangenting now so I'll stop. I hope these spoiler tags work.
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The evidence for this is shakey.


Edited to remove offensive remarks.

I'm going to rewatch Exodus Part 2 tonight....I want to rewatch the scene where the monster is pulling Locke down into the hole. If my memory is correct, and there's a good chance that I could be mistaken, it seemed to me that the tentacle was white-ish. The Black Smokey seemed to be swirling around the tentacle. Maybe the Black Smokey was trying to free Locke?!?!?

I need to rewatch it to be sure though.

Just a thought!

:)
When I rewatched it last night, the smoke that was pulling Locke down the whole looked grey to me, perhaps a mixture of black and white, but definitely not as black as has been shown in other instances.

Of course it could! In LOST-Land...:biggrin:

Hmmmm, I wonder if the Beechcraft fire will activate the fire monster?

I've been wondering why a future epi is called "Fire + Water"...


I actually thought the reason is that they are both things that can purify, which is kinda what Smokey did to Eko...washed away his sins, cleansed him...

Baptism by water/Baptism by fire...

Hi Tabby! I'm enjoying this thread!

*Pounding fist on table* There has got to be an I-Ching link!!!!

But I also can see how Todell can be 100% right on.

Is there a counter somewhere where it shows how many hours until airtime? :eek:

OK...a HUGE thanks to metallidevils, who made this video cap (http://s57.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0UL3MN293P0UY28GHNZ7D0IMZD)of the jungle scene with the White Smoke Monster...after the camera pans from left to right (with no Walt in the scene), look for a thin stream of white smoke/fog that runs from left to right, behind the big tree...and it billows up behind Walt and the tree. The billowing smoke is right before the final closeup shot of Walt's face.

I am suggesting that this smoke is of a similar nature to the black smoke monster that Eko encountered in 23rd Psalm. And that it flows thru the jungle, billows up to take shape and becomes the polar bear we see after the commercials that follow this video cap. Of course we're not lucky enough to actually see the shaping into the polar bear on screen. I should mention that prior to this video cap, Walt is walking with Vincent through the jungle, the first bear growl is heard and Vincent barks and then runs off. Walt drops the leash and runs after Vincent. There's a flashback to the Walt/Susan/Brian/dead bird scene, and then after the commercial, this video begins. After this video, Walt goes and hides in the tree and we see the polar bear attacking.

metallidevils also made this
still cap of stream of white smoke (http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9893/lost1x14special14200015gl.jpg)behind the big tree cluster

I still need a cap of the billowed smoke behind Walt.

All of this is from the epi, not "enhanced".

TabbyRasa, how incredible. Lovin it. I've been looking intensely at the video clip you've provided for us and just wanted to ask you if you saw @ 3.3 secs. in the whole top left quadrant a noticeable movement (very eerie) of that whole area, moving downward and forward, up until 7.2 secs. Then again @17.9 secs at the top right quadrant, where the growl comes from. The large plume of traveling smoke behind Walt is sooo creepy. :eek2: Can't wait to see if there are any voices that can be transcribed from those sounds.

Sooo, Dudette, I'm thinking that's water rushing behind Walt?

TabbyRasa, how incredible. Lovin it. I've been looking intensely at the video clip you've provided for us and just wanted to ask you if you saw @ 3.3 secs. in the whole top left quadrant a noticeable movement (very eerie) of that whole area, moving downward and forward, up until 7.2 secs. Then again @17.9 secs at the top right quadrant, where the growl comes from. The large plume of traveling smoke behind Walt is sooo creepy. :eek2: Can't wait to see if there are any voices that can be transcribed from those sounds.

Don't you think it looks exactly like a stream?

Hey y'all,

Bringing this back up to let y'all know I asked Javi about Smokey and Daddy/Abandonment issues. Here's my question and what he said::

Hey Javi,

First time question poster for the creative team. Got a big one, though. With the theme of Abandonment and Daddy Issues so important to the show, is it logical to assume that Smokey has its own Daddy and Abandonment issues? My thoughts are that the monster is a product of Hanso/Dharma's projects and they got the heck out of Dodge after its creation for some reason, leaving it all alone -- with the exception of the occasional plane crashes and ship wreck.

I know you probably can't get into too much of the latter part of my post, but can you give a yea or nay on the former?


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Re: Smokey, Abandonment and Daddy Issues

my answer is encapsulated in the title of the episode i wrote in season one...

...all the best cowboys have daddy issues.

no comment on the rest!

ja
vi

link (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=32817)

Edit: Spoiler fonted to be safe.

With the white 'smoke' clearly visible leading the black smoke in the Eko confrontation all previous monster bets are off I guess.

also the writers recently credited stephen kings "the stand" as a huge influence to the show. long story short- at the end of the book people must choose between 2 sides- good or evil. also- jack wants to start an army. possibly to fight the good vs. evil war? remember locke said "u can choose to be either light or u can choose dark" & let's not forget the black and white dharma logo- w/ a yin yang. the yin yang symbol represents the philosopphy- u cannot have good if there is no evil- and u can't have evil w/out good (as we all know the yin yang is opposite side black & white that swirl w/ each other, but each side also contains a small oart of the other color)

also- to add to the light/dark theme- as many of u know, the symbols on one of boone's shirts translate to 8 and 4 (yes- part of the "cursed" #'s) but they also translate to: 8=good; 4=evil . i'm sure if we poked around we can find many more references to this theme;) (light vs.dark, hehehe) :starwars:

With the white 'smoke' clearly visible leading the black smoke in the Eko confrontation all previous monster bets are off I guess.

I'm sorry...I must have missed something...can someone point me to a video/still shot of white smoke leading Smokey in the Eko confrontation?

rvt

I don't have one to hand nor have I seen one. You need to frame step through the sequence when the smoke retreats. You can see a white smoky object which looks a bit like a snake move through the black then when it is almost out of the black the black smoke starts following it.

I'm sorry...I must have missed something...can someone point me to a video/still shot of white smoke leading Smokey in the Eko confrontation?

rvt
rvturnage:) metallidevils posted here:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=32088&highlight=monster+vid

Hopefully the files are still there!:)

I'm sorry...I must have missed something...can someone point me to a video/still shot of white smoke leading Smokey in the Eko confrontation?

rvt

I didn't see white smoke RVT these are the objects that I was referring to after Psalms epi. (Eko confrontation) I said they looked like they were swimming away as the smoke was actually moving inside out of it's self, retreating if you will. I referred to them as looking Dolphin like and that there appeared to be at least two possibly three entities.

Thanks for the link. one WMV was still posted, but i'm having trouble getting it to play on my Mac...I'll have to try my PC.

rvt

Speaking of white smoke, have we found out what the deal was with the white smoke pouring out from behind a tree before Walt sees the polar bear?

Speaking of white smoke, have we found out what the deal was with the white smoke pouring out from behind a tree before Walt sees the polar bear?
Not really...some think it is white smoke/fog, others think it is a river.

The biggest thing going on with that scene currently, is the sound track...there are voices hidden in that segment. A first draft (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=739672#post739672) of that transcript is on The Whispers thread. I asked our resident whispers experts, penyours and rvturnage, to look into it after 23rd Psalm and the Black Smokey soundtrack turned up voices:) and I wondered about the polar bear growls.:)

ETA 3/2/06: Here are the links to 2 different transcripts of the hidden audio in the polar bear growls from S1/Special (the first one is already mentioned above). penyours and rvturnage heard different things, so there are 2 transcripts:

Penyours Polar Bear from Special (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=739672t#post739672)
RVT's Polar Bear from Special (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=802405#post802405)

I know this is reviving a seriously old thread, but while watching old S1 episodes, I think there's similar white smoke/fog around the kid who shows up at the end of Confidence Man. I can't find a screen cap, but posted on it in the rewind thread:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1701600&postcount=31

Would love to hear what others think of this?

I know this is reviving a seriously old thread, but while watching old S1 episodes, I think there's similar white smoke/fog around the kid who shows up at the end of Confidence Man. I can't find a screen cap, but posted on it in the rewind thread:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1701600&postcount=31

Would love to hear what others think of this?
How very cool to get another "white smoke monster believer" around here... :cool: A lot has happened on LOST since this thread was started.

Although it has been on the way-backburner of my mind for quite a while, I still prefer to think that the "white smoke/fog" in "Special" morphed into the polar bear. ;) But it's still pretty cool that my suspicions enticed penyours and rvturnage to analyze the sound files and discover that there IS "hidden audio" in the polar bear growls...

When I saw "Confidence Man", I didn't notice the smoke...if you could come back with a screencap, that would be really helpful. It's easier to get someone to capture a video if there's "evidence" to suggest that it's worth taking the time...

I've been seeing that white smoke in "Special" for a while now, I can't believe there's been a thread about it all this time!

Here's one thing I always thought. Maybe the polar bear that attacks Walt was released from some kind of underground freezer where it was being kept. I know that during the summer, when it's hot and humid, it gets hot and humid inside the store I work at too, and when we open the freezer on one of those days, all kinds of white mist starts billowing around.

I'm pretty sure I recall hearing about an "underworld", too, that we might start to see some of it in S4. Something tells me Dharma is far from over. Just for S&G, here's something else I just thought of. We've seen that the pneumatic tube from the Pearl Station leads to the middle of nowhere outside. Maybe it leads to a hidden lab where the results are looked at, and then sent off in another pneumatic tube to be "disposed" of.

I couldn't really make out any white smoke with or around the kid in "Confidence Man". Then again I was watching it in Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEsRcPFhDq4
You have to fast forward up to around the 8 minute mark to get to the scene. I forgot how brilliant that scene was! Why does the father in that scene look so much like the guy that Susan got with after she ditched Michael? And why does the woman look so much like Penny? Next thing you know we'll find out that that kid was Aaron.

I've been seeing that white smoke in "Special" for a while now, I can't believe there's been a thread about it all this time!
Hehehe...another sheep finds their way to the fold... ;)

Here's one thing I always thought. Maybe the polar bear that attacks Walt was released from some kind of underground freezer where it was being kept. I know that during the summer, when it's hot and humid, it gets hot and humid inside the store I work at too, and when we open the freezer on one of those days, all kinds of white mist starts billowing around.
Wow..that is quite an original thought...kudos! :) Aside from the cryogenic and supernatural theories, maybe DHARMA/The Others developed a climate-friendly environment for the polar bears (and this bear and the one that Sawyer shot got loose)...

I'm pretty sure I recall hearing about an "underworld", too, that we might start to see some of it in S4.
Something tells me Dharma is far from over. Just for S&G, here's something else I just thought of. We've seen that the pneumatic tube from the Pearl Station leads to the middle of nowhere outside. Maybe it leads to a hidden lab where the results are looked at, and then sent off in another pneumatic tube to be "disposed" of.Another great idea that I haven't seen anyone posit...:biggrin:

Keep going, J-Guy! ;) You're on a roll...
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Eeek, J-Guy... just realized you shoud probably spoiler-font
about the underworld spoilery thing (although maybe you're referring to fan speculation)...

Although it has been on the way-backburner of my mind for quite a while, I still prefer to think that the "white smoke/fog" in "Special" morphed into the polar bear. ;) But it's still pretty cool that my suspicions enticed penyours and rvturnage to analyze the sound files and discover that there IS "hidden audio" in the polar bear growls...

When I saw "Confidence Man", I didn't notice the smoke...if you could come back with a screencap, that would be really helpful. It's easier to get someone to capture a video if there's "evidence" to suggest that it's worth taking the time...

I'm not totally convinced that the smoke/fog is the same as the polar bear, though all the hidden audio does seem to show that the bear's being controlled by somone/things, and of course we also know now that nearly anything is possible :) I was thinking the little puffs were showing up as Walt was getting really upset in the trees, so maybe it's emotions starting to trigger his specialness/powers into action, but then why didn't it happen in other emotional situations?...

And I wish I knew how to do screen caps but sadly I don't...any suggestions on how to get them?

I couldn't really make out any white smoke with or around the kid in "Confidence Man". Then again I was watching it in Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEsRcPFhDq4
You have to fast forward up to around the 8 minute mark to get to the scene. I forgot how brilliant that scene was! Why does the father in that scene look so much like the guy that Susan got with after she ditched Michael? And why does the woman look so much like Penny? Next thing you know we'll find out that that kid was Aaron.

In that YouTube vid, the two shots I noticed before where the misty stuff is floating past the son are at about 8:23 and 8:25, but you can't really see it on this one; it looks more like weird lighting on this smaller version, or just bad video quality. Ooooh, how can we get screen caps of the DVD??

The screencaps of this supposed white smoke are clearly photoshopped.