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Princess Arwen
01-15-2006, 08:05 PM
I have watched Kate for 1 1/2 seasons and I am just not into her. She has killed or caused the death of so many people. She betrayed her boss at the bank using her position of trust to help her criminal boyfriend rob a bank. She caused her other boyfriend to be killed and alienated her mother to such an extent her Mom called the cops on her. She was secretly hoping the Air Marshal would die. In fact she encouraged Sawyer to put him out of his misery. She uses men for her own ends without a thought or care of the consequences.

She is a tease to Jack and Sawyer playing one off against the other and she always plays so innocent. She would have teased Sayid but he was not into her. The woman has a black heart and everyone she touches gets hurt in some way. She is nothing but trouble and the writers should kill her off.

Lockerox
01-18-2006, 12:05 AM
Pretty much agree. "What Kate Did" was an episode I could have skipped. We already figured out most of what it "revealed" just the twist about it being her real dad and not her stepdad was a surprise, but even then... so what. I'm just so tired of that one expression she has for every situation, whether she's trying to look puzzled, surprised, thoughtful, regretful, or upset, it's always that cocked head, narrowed eyed look that she must think looks sexy. Maybe it does to the guys, but to me it's just old. I hope she's relegated to the background until it's time for AL to kick her butt. That I'll watch!

notlost, justexploring
01-20-2006, 07:59 PM
I'm not sure that I can say I "Hate" Kate, but I think she's one of the weaker characters on Lost. She's kind of predictable in what she does and in who she's attracked to. We've seen her character a hundred times before.

kroshka
01-21-2006, 02:20 PM
I just cant stand kate, its not hate, but she just annoys the hell out of me. Yes, she only has that one irritating look on her face and she thinks its sexy. And she's always there with the boys, showing off her "skills", trying to "kick ***" all the time, its pathetic. As if saying "Look at me, I'm a hot chick, i'm not like any other girl you've ever met, just look at how i kick *** all the time, and my past is so mysterious!" And of course, the two gorgeous men on the island are all head-over-heels for her. Thats laughable. What do the writers think? that we're gonna find it believable?? Noone would like her in real life, let alone love her or want to be with her.

And all the crap she put Jack and Sawyer through - and they're gonna take it from her!?:mad: Just look at what she'd done to them:

She slapped and let Sawyer sit there, tied up and bleeding after they tortured him. Pretended she was such an innocent girl in the hands of a pervert, who offended her with the kiss!! As if it was so hard to kiss him in the first place, when he first asked her. No, she decided to play hard to get, letting them torture him. And dont tell me she wasnt just as eager to kiss him as he was, she couldnt friggin even pull away from it - she enjoyed it so much.

She poisoned Mike, tried to kick Sawyer from his well - earned spot on the raft with a lie:mad:

She lied to Sawyer a bunch of times about the case - first it "was" hers because she needed his help to get it, then said she doesnt want it and then tried to steal it a bunch of times from him.

She lied to Jack and made him cry in WTCMB

She left unconscious and feverish Sawyer on the floor and let the whole hatch with the button go to hell and run away when she thought she'd heard a ghost speaking from Sawyer's mouth

Cant think of more right now. And Jack and Sawyer are all intrigued and in love with her after all that?? Please.

notlost, justexploring
01-23-2006, 04:43 PM
Okay, I can see we feel very strongly about this but . . . you know its just a character on a tv show, right? :)

Claire_littleton
01-23-2006, 04:55 PM
Oh I would so join this club. It's only been my one true dream.

Desdemona_83
01-23-2006, 09:45 PM
As others have said, I don't know that she's worth "hating" - she is just a fictional television character - but she annoys the piss outta me, for essentially all the reasons that have been mentioned. I don't really understand why everyone hates Ana Lucia, as reprehensible as her actions may be, but why everyone simultaneously loves Kate. I suppose it's because Kate is such an effective con artist that she can pretend to be bubbling and charming, but she's been responsible for the deaths and/or unhappiness of multiple people, and is still trying desperately to escape. I just don't understand her appeal.

notlost, justexploring
01-23-2006, 11:44 PM
I really am not crazy about Kate either. But I wouldn't mind taking her place to snuggle up to Sawyer!

kroshka
01-24-2006, 01:00 PM
Yes, I'd love to have Sawyer too. Can someone just explain me why both Jack and Sawyer have to be in love with HER while there are so many other women on the island?? They find her annoying behavior and all her lies attractive?? They have to be out of their minds!

And yes, she's only a tv show character, but no other character ever annoyed me as much as she does. Anyway i only watch lost for my baby Sawyer:biggrin:

Fish1941
02-13-2006, 11:56 AM
After watching Kate's actions in episodes like "Whatever the Case May Be", "Born to Run", and "What Kate Did", I'm beginning to seriously wonder if she is a sociopath. I think that she might be a very disturbed person.

rachiekaye
02-18-2006, 01:47 AM
Yes, I'd love to have Sawyer too. Can someone just explain me why both Jack and Sawyer have to be in love with HER while there are so many other women on the island?? They find her annoying behavior and all her lies attractive?? They have to be out of their minds!

Hey! That's exactly what I've been saying for the last year and a half. I finally feel validated. Thanks! :biggrin:

lostnumbers
02-19-2006, 02:01 PM
I've been watching Lost since the beginning. Loved it since the first time I saw it. Couldn't stand Kate since I heard her first line. It's a season and a half into it...it's turned into hate.
I am now an "OFFICAL MEMBER OF THE KATE HATE CLUB". Thank you for having me.

kilinahe808
02-23-2006, 04:59 PM
Kate makes me itch. I can't say I really hate her, since she's not real, and I dislike Charlie even more, but she's just a badly-written character. I wish she would just do something besides pout and get wet and flirt. There's a game on the TV show "Whose Line is is Anyway" called two-line vocabulary. One guy makes up a scene and can say whatever he wants, but the others in the game can only say one of two different things at any time. I feel like Kate is playing one big game of two-line vocabulary. Her lines are "Jack!" and "I'm coming with you!".

thefilmchick
02-23-2006, 05:59 PM
After watching Kate's actions in episodes like "Whatever the Case May Be", "Born to Run", and "What Kate Did", I'm beginning to seriously wonder if she is a sociopath. I think that she might be a very disturbed person.
Kate is very disturbed, from an armchair psychologist POV here. There is a distinct unlikelihood you can either a) suffer the purported abuse by her stepdad (if true) and then kill him for it and come out unscathed by that, or b) claim to suffer the purported abuse by her stepdad (if false), lie about it, and kill him, again.

While on the island she has poisoned, conned, manipulated, lied, ruined the expedition to rescue Michael, and possibly will affect Claire's discovery next episode (she seems to figure heavily in the promo for it). I found her unsympathetic at the start, but was fairly neutral to her, but the portrayal of her character in 'What Kate Did' lays the grounds for a very serious sociopathic disorder in her character.

I find her to be far less sympathetic, and far more cold-blooded, than Ana-Lucia, and I don't really care one way or the other about Ana.

And, man, do I ever feel sorry for Sawyer. Mark my words: He'll get bitten from any relationship he could form with Kate, and pretty badly. While he has psychological snafus of his own, Kate will only exacerbate them and I do not see good things coming to him from anything he pursues with her. His anger and self-hatred affect things mainly for himself; when put in a position where he absolutely must help the others, he has been more than willing to risk himself - you cannot say the same for Kate, and I think she knows that, and will play on it in the future.

forever_boone
02-24-2006, 02:04 AM
I have never liked Kate and never will. The way she always puts on the "sorry" face irritates me, like, are we suppose to feel sorry for you? I could have thrown something at the TV last night when I saw the preview for next week (or episode's coming up) they were showing Kate and going "Who does she really love?" Jack or Sawyer. I mean, come on! Why ruin a perfectly good show with that crap?! :mad:

Fish1941
03-09-2006, 11:32 AM
And, man, do I ever feel sorry for Sawyer. Mark my words: He'll get bitten from any relationship he could form with Kate, and pretty badly. While he has psychological snafus of his own, Kate will only exacerbate them and I do not see good things coming to him from anything he pursues with her.

Actually, I feel sorry for both Jack and Sawyer. I know I did in "Whatever the Case May Be". I think that both men should keep their distance from her.

Jacks Rum Runner
03-19-2006, 12:57 PM
Kate I think just manages to get away with everything because she's so pretty!!! And she can pout.

Though she really started to bother me big time when she was so wrapped up in her own issues to enter the code and then not too many episodes after that, manages to get taken hostage by Zeke--resulting in the surrender of precious firearms to his group. It sort of makes you wonder if she is in cahoots with Darma or even the Others. In which case I wouldn't be surprised.

Nevertheless I don't HATE her really. But I certainly wouldn't trust her.

notlost, justexploring
03-19-2006, 06:39 PM
:dongetit: I don't hate Kate either -- but gee whiz is she a predictible character. I don't really enjoy watching her because she's not an exciting or unique character. She simply bores me. In fact, I'm getting bored right now even thinking about her.

cami_calzone
03-21-2006, 09:52 PM
The only reason I'm upset with Kate is that she acts innocent.

If you do something bad, ADMIT IT. God, she acts soooo trapped, well get over it honey. She has it made: tow sexy men after her, and very beautiful. She is NOT in a bad spot at all.

and not only that, but even after Sawyer BETRAYED her she is still torn on who to go with. Goddammit, make that move on Jack! You know you want him!

The worst thing she did in my eyes was when she acted like Jack was being unfair to her when he didn't talk to her after their little "campfire meeting" with Zeke. She was acting like a drama queen, and, oh yeah, she lied to Jack and screwed everything up! If she wanted to come, she shouldn't just done it. The onyl way Jack could MAKE her go back was to pick her up himself.

insatiblenigma
03-22-2006, 02:15 PM
You are one of the first lostie fans I have encountered who actually vehemently loathes Kate as much as I & my sister does.

For me loathe is a mild word. However, I was even thinking of formulating a I hate Kate Club or a Kate Haters club. I even have a thread on here called "Hate Kate..Thank God for Ana Lucia!!" I would of liked Ana Lucia to have thrown her into her 'interrogation pit' or get into a scuffle with Kate and have Kate fall on the sharp end of her her staff or just have Kate swallowed whole by the polar bear. I can dream, can't I?

Oh just one more. The point when Desmond had a gun to the back of Kate's head, I couldn't help but think ok just squeeze a little harder on the trigger and make certain you have the safety off. Or when Kate got captured by the others - just enhances of how much of a ego-tistical self absorbed fool she is - if I was Jack I would of told them to feed her to the wolves for sheer stupidity.

I hated Kate since the moment she walked on screen. And her holier than thou smirk or what a sneaky manipulative self-centered bioch she is to go strutting around the island like she's the hottest stuff there. I can't tell you what my sister and I really think she looks like or I'll probably get kicked off this board.

The woman is completely fickle once she has one man than she wants the other and becomes insanely jealousy when she notices Jack spending time with my fave female toughie, Ana Lucia. It was cool how Sawyer played Kate's jealousey against her. I loved the throwing daggers look of death Ana Lucia shot at Kate. But Ana Lucia's smart she respects people's opinions if their serious about them - she doesn't go poking her nose into her people's business like Kate who only looks out for number 1- herself and herself.

I really like Ana Lucia and Desmond. So far their my faves. And when will the writers realized that Kate needs to be killed off?!!!:biggrin:

Fish1941
03-28-2006, 05:36 PM
Kate I think just manages to get away with everything because she's so pretty!!! And she can pout.

You know, I think that is one of the reasons why I dislike her right now.

Jacks Rum Runner
03-28-2006, 11:26 PM
Yeah, I don't have time to watch repeats but I did watch "Tabula Rasa" again and she was full of pouts. Yeah, I don't trust Kate--but, the actress, Evangeline Lilly seems like a lot more of a fun, upbeat person. Ah, but still could get away with a lot because she's soo hot and pretty. Nice arm muscles too.

Fish1941
03-30-2006, 06:55 PM
Yeah, I don't have time to watch repeats but I did watch "Tabula Rasa" again and she was full of pouts. Yeah, I don't trust Kate--but, the actress, Evangeline Lilly seems like a lot more of a fun, upbeat person. Ah, but still could get away with a lot because she's soo hot and pretty. Nice arm muscles too.

Yes, Evie Lilly seems like such a nice person. It's a shame that she's portraying a character whom I find to be immature and manipulative. Damn shame.:ohwell:

notlost, justexploring
04-01-2006, 01:43 PM
Does anyone else think Kate is up to something? She gave up on following Jack way too easily.

Jacks Rum Runner
04-03-2006, 03:55 AM
Yes, Evie Lilly seems like such a nice person. It's a shame that she's portraying a character whom I find to be immature and manipulative. Damn shame.

>>> I guess this is why they considered the role of Kate to very special and important and why they took a lot of great pains to cast the actress for her role. Man, I wish I could look like her for a whole month and get away with lotsa things ...

Cheers

Fish1941
04-05-2006, 02:03 PM
Yes, Evie Lilly seems like such a nice person. It's a shame that she's portraying a character whom I find to be immature and manipulative. Damn shame.

>>> I guess this is why they considered the role of Kate to very special and important and why they took a lot of great pains to cast the actress for her role. Man, I wish I could look like her for a whole month and get away with lotsa things ...

Cheers

They obviously wanted an actress who could project the image of the perfect girl next door in order to fool the audience. And with Evie Lilly, they have done just that. She makes Kate seems like the girl next door - and many of the viewers are falling for this image - hook, line and sinker. Someone had commented on another thread on how helpful Kate had been since her arrival on the island, completely avoiding the crap that she had pulled in episodes like "Whatever the Case May Be" and "Born to Run".

Jackaroo
04-10-2006, 05:57 PM
I'm so happy I finally find some people that agree with me on Kate. If there is ever a "Kate's Not Kool" list (hate's a huge thing both for TV shows and in real life), put me on it, please!
Let me note that I haven't seen beyond epi Orientation (2.3), and haven't seen What Kate Did, but did hear all about it.
And another note; if anyone feels they should try and convince me otherwise, I invite you to send me a PM.

First of all there's her way with men. I am completely rooting for Jack, but in ships I'm not really made up - except that I declare myself anti-Jate for sure.
OK - so, there's two cute/nice/hot/a.s.o. men. And they both dig you, too. So what does Kate do? She doubts and doubts and doubts. This in itself is a-OK with me. But in the process of doubting, she doesn't really take into consideration that men have feelings as well, does she? She hangs out, flirts, and makes out with both of them. Whoever happens to have something she wants. Whoever happens to be there.
Oh - wait. Now maybe we can doubt if she's doubting who she likes best. Or is she simply being a very smart, manipulative little woman? She gets what she wants, doesn't she?
Point is, by now (the things I know, and I guess it gets worse) she has both men wrapped around her finger (something that bugs me to no end, too, since it puts the 'man goes limp for woman and can't do anything to resist her charm and will forgive anything she pulls' idea to the show). And if she ever makes her choice - if - one of them will be crushed. And I mean crushed.
Jack, who tries to resist falling in love with her so hard, because he's still dealing with the loss of Sarah, and the hole she punched in his trust. For him, it's a lose-lose situation by now; if Kate chooses Sawyer, he doesn't get the girl he loves. Seeing another woman choose 'the other man' over him. And if she does choose him - how can he ever be sure she won't change her mind? Sawyer will always be there, won't he? And Kate isnt' exactly one to trust.
And Sawyer - who seems to have found a little something of a friend in her - someone who knows what it's like to kill. Losing her to Jack (not just anyone, but Jack!) would leave him with... well, with what? His bitterness and self-hatred. Kate holds the key to cure Sawyer from his self-hatred - would be capable of teaching him he's worth to be loved. But I don't see her doing that, does she? Instead, she just manipulates and uses him whenever she sees it fit. Which she does to Jack, as well.

That's a whole other chapter - the way she works on Jack. When they picked up Danielle's signal in Pilot part two, she went to Jack to tell him. "I wanted to tell you."
Gets you the idea she confides in him, right? And so she seems to do - she wants to tell him what she did (and why he declined that offer's worth another chapter; maybe he just didn't want to know her crap, becuase he had enough on his mind. Or maybe he just wanted to tell her it was ok with him - he didn't care what happened in her past, as he accepted her the way she was).
She tells him he's the leader - asks him to come back because they need him (in epi 1.21, I believe) to lead them.
But she second guesses his everydecision, doesn't she? She simply must come on every trek, even if that risks the operation. Becuase she's Kate. And she's tough. And cool. And she don't take no crap from anyone.
She's a manipulative little vincent when it's about Jack - and Sawyer too, as we saw in 'whatever the case may be.'

OK. This is getting looong... sorry....This was only point 1 & 2, or something...

Her backstory. Come on.
Kate's life;
crapty and abusive childhood. Lots of confusement on who her real father is. Finally kills the abuser and is on the run from the cops since that moment. Her mother gets cancer. Kate meets up with childhood friend and meets mum. Mum makes alarm, Kate has to flee. Childhood friend is with her in the car for some reason. They have an accident. Childhood friend dies.
Kate robs bank to get toy plane back.
Kate goes to Australia, spends two months on farm with 'Leftie' and is finally caught.
Kate is on flight 815, which crashes on deserted island.

Let's face it, people. Even though the different segments of the story are believable - I mean absolutely no offense to anyone who relates to any of the segments of it - if you count them up it's just tooooooo much. Anyone who went through all of that has to be seriously messed up. Or wait - is that the point? Is all of Kate's lying, manipulating, 'inncocence', a.s.o. due to her unbelievably hectic life? She is not responsible for her acts, but is simply shaped fully by events?

Realizing this is not so much part of her personality. But this is: Kate robs a bank and puts lives at stake to retrieve a TOY PLANE she needs to retrieve because of a death, in the first place??? HELLLOOOOO???
SHE needs a reality check.

Oh, and yeah - she's selfish and self-centered.

OK I'll stop now. You get the point.
Kate. UGH! *HANDS OFF OF JACK, you manipulating little vincent!*
And in name of Sawyer fans; *HANDS OFF OF SAWYER, you manipulating little vincent!*

Kate's Not Kool!

Fish1941
04-11-2006, 05:55 PM
Kate's life;
crapty and abusive childhood. Lots of confusement on who her real father is. Finally kills the abuser and is on the run from the cops since that moment.

We don't know for certain that Kate had been sexually abused. And if she had, we don't know for certain that Wayne was the one who had abused her.

SweetGeorgiaPeach
04-11-2006, 11:32 PM
Kate is insufferable. She can be so relentlessly annoying and pushy it makes me want to scream. Kate can be summed up in just a few words, immature, manipulative and an expert pouter. She has the constant need to put herself in danger and prove herself as good as any man.

Kate: “I’m going with you.”

Jack: “No you’re not.”

Kate: “Yes I am.”

Jack: “No you’re not.”

Kate: “Yes I am.”


What we’re all thinking: “Fine whatever just stop whining.”

And when given the chance she just ends up making things worse by putting others in danger or getting them injured. As a result of her gross incompetence others are forced to save her when they should be thinking about themselves.

All of these opinions are based solely on the CHARACTER that is Kate; I have nothing against the actress who portrays her. On the contrary actually, I think Evangeline Lilly is an impressive actress.

Wizex
04-12-2006, 05:09 PM
First of all: i love Evangeline Lilly and wish her all the best! She seems so sweet...

I cant stand Kate though and the way she treats Sawyer. I love Sawyer. I adore him. She treats him like crap. Say stuff about him behind his back and tease him all the time.
Let him be Kate! If you dont like him, drag your skanky behind to a different part of the beach and leave my boy alone!

insatiblenigma
04-12-2006, 11:20 PM
I thought this was a Kate Hate Club. And I am very much one of the most ANTI-KATE people around. Besides half the people in my neighborhood.
Sneaky, Mannipulative, ego-centric, skanky, two-faced con-artist murderering moron (and everyone is so focused on being Anti-Ana Lucia-give the girl a break- when they forget how devious Kate is) who uses the kindness of people for her own gain. Playing two men against each other because she wants to have her cake and eat it too.
I am Pro-Ana Lucia and I have many inventive ideas on how Ana Lucia could waste her but why waste any effort on someone who is not worth it? Let the polar bear take care of the job. Ana Lucia has standards at least the only reason she has ever murdered someone is because they shot and killed her unborn child and to protect her losties. Now anyone who says that it was unjust what Ana Lucia did to avenge her child's death it is completely callous (as I know someone stated before on another board).
Now if this is really the Official Kate Hate Club than we should really talk about the reasons why we HATE Kate. WHich I do. I really hope they eliminate her and add 2 new currently guest starring characters: Desmond and Henry Gale.

bobbinghead1
04-12-2006, 11:20 PM
I seriously feel sorry for Evi having to play such a pathetic female. I especially hate Kate when she's around Jack..The way she idol worships Jack. The way she smiles shyly and unintelligently with her batting lashes, the way she tries to be in his good books even by putting other people down, the way she thinks with her a$$ when she's around Jack. I am sure Kate is the dream girl for the egoistic Jack but she a very unrealistic and shameful example for the capable and independent women in today's society..It's alright to lose your heart but not your brain. Wake up Kate.

kilinahe808
04-13-2006, 01:17 PM
I don't know if it's the character I dislike or if Evie is just not that good an actress, but I think we're supposed to think Kate is shrewd and tough and not above manipulating people to get what she wants. It doesn't work. It's totally unconvincing. Kate is like a dumb sorority girl who's spent her inheritance to make her daddy mad and now she's trying to decide which boy she likes. There's no evidence of a hardened fugitive in there.

She hunts with her dad, but she and Jack are in the jungle, and she sees a doll on the ground and her instincts tell her to pick it up? WhatEVER. :rolleyes: What was she thinking? "Oooh, pretty dolly. I want it!" What kind of kid who goes hunting with her dad sees something on the ground that doesn't belong and figures it's okay to pick it up? Grrr!

I think I'm beginning to hate the way they're writing pretty much all of the female characters, but that's a rant for another time.

dew6
04-13-2006, 02:08 PM
Kate plays dumb around Jack but a smart**s with Sawyer. Evie, I like, but not her character.

kid_amy
04-13-2006, 02:13 PM
I don't really see a point to Kate being on the island at all. How immature was she about keeping the whole medical hatch thing to herself. "I was going to tell you when you let me back in the club" When I heard her tell Jack that, my first thought was "Are you serious???!!!!" Here she finds some brand new clues that could be useful to everyone else and she keeps it to herself because she feels like she is being left out. That shows complete selfishness on her part also. This character is totally useless.

Calista Green
04-17-2006, 06:38 PM
Hi!! FINALLY some people who share the same opinion I do!!! It's sooooooooooooo annoying cos all my friends r in love with Kate. I just can't see why. I mean she is a manipulative little skank. YES she IS pretty but that's about it. THINK ABOUT IT she does absolutely nothing on the island that is useful. All she does is play mind games with Jack and Sawyer.She also follows Jack around like a love-sick puppy. I think that they both can do way better than her. She thinks shes cute but there r way prettier characters on that island like Claire or Ana-Lucia that arent trying to get their way all the time. Her I-AM-JUST-OUT-FOR-MYSELF attitude is really starting to get on my nerves.

stoo303
04-17-2006, 09:57 PM
I think she's just about the only character-- besides Charlie-- who has never acted with someone else's best interest ahead of her own.

She's created such heartache and trouble in her life and on the Island for no other reason than that of pure selfishness.

Add me to the hate Kate club!

notlost, justexploring
04-17-2006, 10:07 PM
I'm not crazy about Kate -- obviously, or I wouldn't be in this thread, but I think TONS of people have acted selfishly. I mean look at a "good" character like Locke -- he kept the hatch a secret so that he could hang on to power. I think the only unselfish people would be Eko, Rose, and Claire.

stoo303
04-17-2006, 10:21 PM
I'm not crazy about Kate -- obviously, or I wouldn't be in this thread, but I think TONS of people have acted selfishly. I mean look at a "good" character like Locke -- he kept the hatch a secret so that he could hang on to power. I think the only unselfish people would be Eko, Rose, and Claire.
Oh, no, I definitely agree. Everyone has had their moments. Especially Locke. I mean, you could argue that he deliberately lead Boone to his death.

But, it's just with Kate, she has never shown that she is capable of acting with someone else's interests ahead of her own. Never, ever.

And every time you think that maybe there's a glimmer of humanity in there, somewhere-- whether by killing her stepdad because he beat up her mom, or by going through such trouble to get that airplane-- you're shown that even in those circumstances, she was only looking out for herself.

She killed her stepdad because she found out that he was really her biological father, and she didn't like the idea of coming from someone like him.

And she wanted that airplane because it was the only connection she had a better time in her life, when she was a better person.

Not to mention that it belonged to the only person whom she ever loved-- a man she caused the death of.

Fish1941
04-18-2006, 05:34 PM
Ana Lucia has standards at least the only reason she has ever murdered someone is because they shot and killed her unborn child and to protect her losties.

Shannon wasn't murdered. Shannon was accidentally killed.

And every time you think that maybe there's a glimmer of humanity in there, somewhere-- whether by killing her stepdad because he beat up her mom, or by going through such trouble to get that airplane-- you're shown that even in those circumstances, she was only looking out for herself.


I don't know if I would call killing Wayne as an example of Kate's glimmer of humanity. She had committed cold-blooded murder. And committed insurance fraud, in the process.

stoo303
04-18-2006, 07:06 PM
I don't know if I would call killing Wayne as an example of Kate's glimmer of humanity. She had committed cold-blooded murder. And committed insurance fraud, in the process.

Well, I think the majority of the people on the island are good people who have done bad things (this is something I got into a discussion about last night, and apparently a lot of people don't agree).

But, if Kate had killed Wayne because he beat up her mom, I would say that she would then fall under the same category. And that's what that episode lead you to believe for a while.

But she didn't. She killed him for really selfish reasons. Everything she has ever done is for really selfish reasons.

Controversleigh
04-22-2006, 12:16 PM
Oh God, I never realized this thread existed.

*hugs everyone*

Kate....
....manipulative, selfish, unstable, immature, annoying, wishy-washy, unintelligent, drags the show down, embarassment to women everywhere, stalls the interpersonal dynamics, played out, serves no purpose whatever....ENTIRELY OVERRATED in EVERY way.

*exahles deeply*

Whew. That felt good.

L.

notlost, justexploring
04-22-2006, 12:51 PM
It is a relief to know that there are others who aren't gaga over Kate, isn't it? Feel free to share your thoughts and reactions to Kate here!

Controversleigh
04-22-2006, 12:58 PM
Thank you.

I have tried to hold back b/c I hate the unrelenting Ana bashing....but why should I try to be the "take the higher road" one? Screw that. I'll stoop....at least if I stoop I get some much needed relief.

Kate is an abomination. Season 1 she was TOLERABLE and served a purpose....now though, she's utterly useless to the progression of the show....and she drags it down, in MANY ways. It's a shame she's their silly little poster girl, b/c if this show TRULY cared about quality writing they would kill her off. Her death would provied more drama and realism and good scenes that her contuining on would. They don't care though...she's their poster girl so she won't go anywhere....even though logic and creative integrity demands for her TO GO.

L.

donster0monster
04-22-2006, 01:59 PM
I have watched Kate for 1 1/2 seasons and I am just not into her. She has killed or caused the death of so many people. She betrayed her boss at the bank using her position of trust to help her criminal boyfriend rob a bank. She caused her other boyfriend to be killed and alienated her mother to such an extent her Mom called the cops on her. She was secretly hoping the Air Marshal would die. In fact she encouraged Sawyer to put him out of his misery. She uses men for her own ends without a thought or care of the consequences.

She is a tease to Jack and Sawyer playing one off against the other and she always plays so innocent. She would have teased Sayid but he was not into her. The woman has a black heart and everyone she touches gets hurt in some way. She is nothing but trouble and the writers should kill her off.

kate is a mental case....i think eko and charlie should make a cage for her and drug her...then she'll act like a monkey and it will be the losties entertainment!

lmfao!!

notlost, justexploring
04-23-2006, 05:57 AM
Alright, to be honest, now I'm a little frightened by the degree of hatred . . . I feel we've opened a pandora's box . . .

Jackaroo
04-24-2006, 10:40 AM
OK. This is a warning to all who love to hate Kate.

Do NOT - I repeat do NOT watch LOST music videos that involve any Jating. It shows how nice Kate can be, which is not good for your hating.

It makes you all reasonable and think; hey, it's not ALL bad - she has a bad side, for sure, but a good side, too. And surely there are reasons for her to... *stops short*

__ off to read own previous Kate's not Kool post to reconvince self of Kate's Evilness __. UGH

donster0monster
04-24-2006, 08:08 PM
lol..i guess my form of hate is a little crazy.....maybe they can just push a rock onto her like they did the fat kid in Lord of the Flies.



i still hate kate