Discuss away. :biggrin:

[note to mods: apparently only administrators can start new threads in the "Previews" forum, so I respectfully request this thread be moved to the proper section...]

US promo of Fire + Water can be downloaded in two sizes (zipped mpegs) courtesy of Voodoo_in_Tx (http://voodoo-in-tx.livejournal.com/). Does anyone know if the Canadian promo is identical?

Faith tested, trust broken... Charlie looked mega-jealous seeing Locke with Claire. I don't know how receptive he will be when Locke tries to help him with his addiction problem this time around.

Fire: That sure looks like Charlie's hands setting the fire in CampJack. Was it set as a distraction for Charlie to snatch Aaron amid the confusion?

Water: The big thing that struck me was seeing Aaron in his cradle going out to sea. In the Bible it was Aaron's brother Moses who, at the age of three months, was similarly set adrift on the Nile in a small craft of bulrushes coated in pitch.

Thank you Jocko

Anxoiusly waiting for the CDN promo now

If anyone else has trouble playing mpegs, lostlinks.net has the promo in streaming real media. I'm waiting for the Canadian one too.

The fire was surprising. It's definitely Charlie setting it, but is he burning the drugs or creating a diversion? Promos can be very misleading. There's also a quick scene that looks like Charlie and a woman (Kate? Claire?) who is yelling and pushing him away. It's a wide shot and was hard to make out. Any thoughts on that?

I was actually disappointed there wasn't more of a setup for this in the Hunting Party. The conversation with Hurley was pure comic relief and the look he gives Claire at the end was essentially what you'd expect but nothing new.

Anyone else think Claire is acting like a catty junior high school girl being super sweet to everyone else and ignoring Charlie when she knows he's watching? I'm starting to dislike her intensely.

Also, remember that part of this ep is going to involve vivid dreams on Charlie's part. A lot of that creepy preview might be a dream.

I think the daytime shots of the cradle in the water and Charlie going in was a dream. The nighttime shots of the fire and Aaron were real.

Pace,

You are finally getting the Charlie screen time that you wanted...I am also psyched to see it. I am glad that the focus is now back squarely on the "original" Losties. As I posted yesterday, I think we see more tension and urgency with this crew...more charisma and more chemistry between characters and storylines...it should be interesting...Charlie's going dark...

Junie

Pace,

You are finally getting the Charlie screen time that you wanted...I am also psyched to see it. I am glad that the focus is now back squarely on the "original" Losties. As I posted yesterday, I think we see more tension and urgency with this crew...more charisma and more chemistry between characters and storylines...it should be interesting...Charlie's going dark...

Junie

Finally the focus is going to be on the original Losties. Aaron going into the water does sound biblical. Like Moses.

Yeah, the last scene of the promo is "someone" grabbing the baby, but all of us spoiler junkies know what is really going on with that scene.

And yes, Pace, last night while watching the show I found myself muttering "what a ditch", but it only rhymed with "ditch". Claire has never really been a favorite of mine, but I actually found myself disliking her last night. I thought she and Charlie were friends and I would think that, while she doesnt want him around the baby, she would at least try and help him and/or give him a little more time to explain himself.

But after Fire + Water, I dont think shes going to be spending anytime doing that. Prepare for more Claire.

Looking at the fire scene I'm thinking of a couple of scenarios.

Charlie is high, thinks there is someone after the baby but no one believes him. He sets the fire to wake everyone up or as some other form of distraction to grab the baby because he honestly believes its in danger. It turns out to be a bunch of hooey and Charlie is outcast from the group.

Charlie is not high..thinks the baby is in danger..repeat above scenario. Nothing happens at that particular moment and Charlie is outcast from the group and goes and does drugs. However it might 'happen' later whatever it may be.

There is also the off chance that Charlie does all that as a front so he can pretend to 'rescue the baby' and be a hero. A bit extreme but I have heard of people doing wacky things like in real that because they crave attention.

Then of course the baby could be in real danger, only Charlie knows it..no one believes him because of the drugs and he DOES rescue the baby.

Can anyone come up with anything else?

Claire does seem to be acting extra mean toward Charlie..some would blame the 'mother tiger' instincts' or hormones but I think she will eventually regret it if she goes too far with it.

Where's that canadian preview hiding ?

How do you know its charlie who set the fire? The person who did it has a big silver ring on, I dont remember seeing a ring on Charlie before.

How do you know its charlie who set the fire? The person who did it has a big silver ring on, I dont remember seeing a ring on Charlie before.

That's Charlie's Driveshaft ring. Remember, second tour of Finland? :)

Thanks for your thoughts everybody. mmmmmmm.....Charlie screentime :rolleyes:.

Still hard to tell if Charlie actually does the drugs or if everyone just thinks he does because he's acting strange. I think he's going to honestly try and save the baby but no one will believe him.

Claire you so mean!!

Nobody is going to believe him. He's going to see stuff and it's all in his head. The monster, whispers, whatever. Then Danielle will take the child, and again, nobody will believe Charlie. I predict this episode to be very much 'Boy who cried wolf'.

Looking at the fire scene I'm thinking of a couple of scenarios.

Charlie is high, thinks there is someone after the baby but no one believes him. He sets the fire to wake everyone up or as some other form of distraction to grab the baby because he honestly believes its in danger. It turns out to be a bunch of hooey and Charlie is outcast from the group.

Charlie is not high..thinks the baby is in danger..repeat above scenario. Nothing happens at that particular moment and Charlie is outcast from the group and goes and does drugs. However it might 'happen' later whatever it may be.

There is also the off chance that Charlie does all that as a front so he can pretend to 'rescue the baby' and be a hero. A bit extreme but I have heard of people doing wacky things like in real that because they crave attention.

Then of course the baby could be in real danger, only Charlie knows it..no one believes him because of the drugs and he DOES rescue the baby.

Can anyone come up with anything else?

Claire does seem to be acting extra mean toward Charlie..some would blame the 'mother tiger' instincts' or hormones but I think she will eventually regret it if she goes too far with it.

I think those are the options. Good list.
I'm not confident that Claire knew that Charlie was watching her and Locke at the end of THP. I would need to watch the scene again...

No..at the end of the Hunting Party I don't think she see's Charlie. The rub is though she doesn't seem to be 'missing' him at all...plus the fact that she is with Locke.

Are we sure that is Charlie taking the baby in that night scene? I can't see the hands.

I haven't seen it mentioned yet, so here's a bit about the canadian preview. Sorry I don't have a link!
It was pretty similar to the US preview. We got charlie looking jealous about claire and locke talking, hurley asking libby where he knows her from, charlie at the water's edge with aaron in his arms, with someone asking (I think Hurley, but could be wrong) what he's doing with the baby and charlie replying that he doesn't know. We also got aaron floating out on the water in his crib and charlie swimming after him. I think thats pretty much it, hope that helps!

No..at the end of the Hunting Party I don't think she see's Charlie. The rub is though she doesn't seem to be 'missing' him at all...plus the fact that she is with Locke.

Dude, it's only been, like, a day. :)

Nobody is going to believe him. He's going to see stuff and it's all in his head. The monster, whispers, whatever. Then Danielle will take the child, and again, nobody will believe Charlie. I predict this episode to be very much 'Boy who cried wolf'.

This is something like elfdream's 4th idea, and I agree with this call. Very much like Claire in Raised by Another. Won't she feel dumb when she realizes Charlie was right?

I actually hope that someone else does try and take the baby so Charlie can be vindicated. Otherwise, he's just gonna be seen as the psycho bad guy. Why was he lighting that fire anyway? And did it look like a burning bush to anyone else? Did to me. How biblical. I wonder if he hears voices from it.

The most interesting thing in the preview for the Charlie eppy, is Hurley asking Libby, "Do I know you from somewhere?" or "have I seen you before?", whichever it is.

I am anxious to know if it is because he actually thinks he may recognize her or if it's the result of the spoiler which says that Hurley gets some tips about women from Sawyer.

The most interesting thing in the preview for the Charlie eppy, is Hurley asking Libby, "Do I know you from somewhere?" or "have I seen you before?", whichever it is.

I am anxious to know if it is because he actually thinks he may recognize her or if it's the result of the spoiler which says that Hurley gets some tips about women from Sawyer.

Regarding what you spoiler-fonted:
If that's the advice he gives, I will laugh my a** off!

Regarding what you spoiler-fonted:
If that's the advice he gives, I will laugh my a** off!

Me to. Surely he could do better than that. :biggrin:

Me to. Surely he could do better than that. :biggrin:

More likely, it'll go down something like this... hehe: Hurley: Uh, dude, do you have any, like, advice about asking a chick out? Sawyer: What, Stay-Puft?? Hurley: Dude, just go with it.... Sawyer: Um, okay, well... just say something casual like: 'Do I know you from somewhere?' Why? You going after a girl here? Hurley: Uh, no, dude, um, thanks for the advice, though. Gotta go, um, talk to Charlie.

*merged with Karri's initial topic which was unavailable before.

I don't understand the baby/cradle in the ocean... if I remember right, Charlie can't swim! Didn't he say that when Joanna and Boone were out in the water?

I don't understand the baby/cradle in the ocean... if I remember right, Charlie can't swim! Didn't he say that when Joanna and Boone were out in the water?

Yes he can't swim, but I think what you are seeing is a dream so it's okay.

I have dreams where I can fly :)

I just hope the baby is not taken away, that would be so sad...:cry:

maybe hurley does know libby! she is a psychiatrist, right.....???

maybe hurley does know libby! she is a psychiatrist, right.....???

a psychologist.

Ever since I first found that out, I have hoped she would turn out to be someone who worked at the hospital where Hurley, Lenny and Locke's mom spent time.

a psychologist.

Ever since I first found that out, I have hoped she would turn out to be someone who worked at the hospital where Hurley, Lenny and Locke's mom spent time.

Exactly. I think this will make for some fantastic tension between Libby and Hurley, Patient/Client romance being a Big Huge NoNo. Will she be able to get over it, or not?

I think they make an adoribibble couple.

Exactly. I think this will make for some fantastic tension between Libby and Hurley, Patient/Client romance being a Big Huge NoNo. Will she be able to get over it, or not?

I think they make an adoribibble couple.

I don't think patient/client will be an issue. Surely there would be no question of recognition had she actually been his psychologist. I was thinking more along the lines of she worked there, and perhaps they had seen one another in passing ... thus they might not recognize each other now, but they might look familiar.

However, it would be great if she had been Lenny's psychologist.

Ah..picky point here. Charlie said ' I DON'T Swim.' not.. "I CAN'T SWIM'.

Bit of a difference. Perhaps he had some kind of traumatic event in his past having to do with almost drowning or something..

It seems like it will be a sort of parallel to Claire's 'dream' episode.

Ah..picky point here. Charlie said ' I DON'T Swim.' not.. "I CAN'T SWIM'.

Ahh elfdream, I knew you were gonna say that and you failed to disappoint :biggrin: . Love you lots!


It seems like it will be a sort of parallel to Claire's 'dream' episode


Only if the cradle is filled with chocolate sauce. :smile: I'm sorry, but was that supposed to be blood? Never looked like it to me.

Sorry for the double post, but I was looking for something and I found the screencap. Could someone please look at this and tell me who this is and what is going on? It looks like either Kate or Ana shoving Charlie away. Whats up with that?

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=902&pos=9

I think it is Ana shooing him away from her camp when he gets exiled like her.

Ah..picky point here. Charlie said ' I DON'T Swim.' not.. "I CAN'T SWIM'.

Bit of a difference. Perhaps he had some kind of traumatic event in his past having to do with almost drowning or something..

It seems like it will be a sort of parallel to Claire's 'dream' episode.

Bit of speculation here on my part.I read somewhere that this episode has flashbacks for charlie.Specifically his childhood.What you said there sparked an idea in my head.The episodes title is Fire and Water.Fire seems to be tied into the events on the island so maybe water is tied into events in his past.Maybe as a child he had some traumatic event like you said,drowning etc.
Maybe the whole him swimming after the baby is something that happens in his dream to signify him conquering his demons,or something that happens on the island and he has to overcome it to save Aaron.

Bit of speculation here on my part.I read somewhere that this episode has flashbacks for charlie.Specifically his childhood.What you said there sparked an idea in my head.The episodes title is Fire and Water.Fire seems to be tied into the events on the island so maybe water is tied into events in his past.Maybe as a child he had some traumatic event like you said,drowning etc.
Maybe the whole him swimming after the baby is something that happens in his dream to signify him conquering his demons,or something that happens on the island and he has to overcome it to save Aaron.

I think it will have to do with something we have seen in promo pictures:


Eko baptizing Aaron

Sorry for the double post, but I was looking for something and I found the screencap. Could someone please look at this and tell me who this is and what is going on? It looks like either Kate or Ana shoving Charlie away. Whats up with that?

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=902&pos=9

I can't tell. She could as easily be chasing him as pushing him. But yeah, it's Ana-Lucia.

I can't tell. She could as easily be chasing him as pushing him. But yeah, it's Ana-Lucia.

In the video clip, she is pushing him away and saying "no" I believe. What could that be about? Until now, those two haven't said two words to each other.

if it really is a dream, then this is going to be another subpar episode where the preview is just plain misleading

Anyway! Does Anybody Have The Canadian Trailer Yet?!!!

if it really is a dream, then this is going to be another subpar episode where the preview is just plain misleading

The previews are just plain misleading most weeks ... but I've not seen any correlation between the misleading factor of the preview and the quality of the episode. In fact, it seems to me that the more misleading the preview, the more surprising (and thus better, IMO) the eppy turns out to be.

Plus you see Hurley dressed up at Jesus and claire as the virgin mary in the episode promotional photos so i think its going to be a pretty trippy episode :roflmao:



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oz,

You should spoiler font your post. Any spoilers outside the previews themselves, are supposed to be properly spoiler fonted. :)

Streaming + download !!

CTV preview; http://www.image-mp3-video.com/page.php?id=2746
ABC preview; http://www.image-mp3-video.com/page.php?id=2716

ENJOY ;)

CTV preview; http://www.image-mp3-video.com/page.php?id=2746
ABC preview; http://www.image-mp3-video.com/page.php?id=2716

ENJOY ;)

Thanks for the links!

I think for the first time, I like the US preview better. :ohwell:

Sorry for the double post, but I was looking for something and I found the screencap. Could someone please look at this and tell me who this is and what is going on? It looks like either Kate or Ana shoving Charlie away. Whats up with that?

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=902&pos=9I looked on the call sheet that I have (remember from my friend that plays Charlie's mum.). for the advanced shooting schedule and it says, Charlie confronts Kate

xframe1, thanks for the links!

On the CTV version, there's a quick shot of a backstory showing Liam and Charlie with a full-blown cooking rig... is this the first time they're shown injecting the heroin as opposed to just snorting it?

Sam G, what other goodies do you have in store for us regarding this ep? :biggrin:

If anyone else has trouble playing mpegs, lostlinks.net has the promo in streaming real media. I'm waiting for the Canadian one too.

The fire was surprising. It's definitely Charlie setting it, but is he burning the drugs or creating a diversion? Promos can be very misleading. There's also a quick scene that looks like Charlie and a woman (Kate? Claire?) who is yelling and pushing him away. It's a wide shot and was hard to make out. Any thoughts on that?

I was actually disappointed there wasn't more of a setup for this in the Hunting Party. The conversation with Hurley was pure comic relief and the look he gives Claire at the end was essentially what you'd expect but nothing new.

Anyone else think Claire is acting like a catty junior high school girl being super sweet to everyone else and ignoring Charlie when she knows he's watching? I'm starting to dislike her intensely.


I don't think Claire is acting catty. We haven't seen her with any other characters since her and Charlie fought,(with the exception of her showing Locke the baby and i'd say she's showing locke the baby cause Locke has helped her alot with the baby) and it didn't seem like she was ignoring him on purpose in that last scene. If i remember correctly he was way in the back of the scene, Claire probably didn't see him.
And she is perfectly right to ignore/be mad at Charlie he lied to her.


Anyways, next weeks episode looks brill can't wait to see it, i'd say Charlie's gonna be cool in it

Streaming + download !!

CTV preview; http://www.image-mp3-video.com/page.php?id=2746
ABC preview; http://www.image-mp3-video.com/page.php?id=2716

ENJOY ;)

Thanks xframe, but for some reason, I only get the audio on the CTV clip. Any idea why? Frustrating. I want to see that Liam and Charlie shot someone mentioned.

the canadian promo was so short :( I wan't to see more lost :] Can't wait til next week

On the CTV version, there's a quick shot of a backstory showing Liam and Charlie with a full-blown cooking rig... is this the first time they're shown injecting the heroin as opposed to just snorting it?


I haven't seen the clips because I'm at work, but you are correct that we haven't seen Charlie injecting heroin. In fact, in one of the commentaries on the S1 DVD, they talk about how they can't show it, since it's Disney-fied ABC. So I'm pretty surprised that it's in the preview. Should be v. interesting how that's handled. I wish I could watch it here!

xframe1, thanks for the links!

On the CTV version, there's a quick shot of a backstory showing Liam and Charlie with a full-blown cooking rig... is this the first time they're shown injecting the heroin as opposed to just snorting it?

Sam G, what other goodies do you have in store for us regarding this ep? :biggrin:
Hey Jocko,

I'm going over to Sammi's to watch the episode. When I was talking to her she did drop a few things. I now know what she was talking about because of the Canadian preview. Sammi said that she admired Dominic because he was brave as an actor and wasn't afraid of getting dirty, being ugly and nasty is not something an actor usually likes to do, because, you want the audience to like you. (so it think we can expect some great stuff from Dom in this episode.)

She also said that when she was on the beach with Claire there was some tree shaking going on. She didn't say if they were filming for this episode or not but she was excited to see the real "Monster shaking trees"

We've already discussed that Jack Bender is directing and all of his episodes are fantastic. There's one of the Golden Globe shots of the whole cast and Jack is in the front 1/2 on his knees holding the award.

Call sheet "Advance Scenes"
Charlie gathering combustables

Here is my guess on what happens

I think Charlie starts to have visions of something terrible happening to Aaron. Everyone assumes he is on the smack again. He wants Clair to have the baby baptized. He eventually take matters into his own hands and takes Aaron himself to the se to baptize him. Clair stops him, freaks out and they all think Charlie is on drugs.
Something happens that convinces Claire that Charlie was write and Has Eko baptize not only Aaron but herself as well.


Just in case

Well at least the woman..be it Kate or Ana is pushing Charlie away and not grabbing him by the throat!

Dom is apparently an 'actor's actor'.

Ack! Frustration!! Why won't the canadian clip play video for me??? All I get is audio. Is there some new version of something I need to download to view it?

Somebody help a poor junkie...:confused:

In the meantime, my imagination is now going into overdrive. We have a clip of (presumably) Kate yelling at Charlie and pushing him away. We have Sam G's comments from the call sheet that Charlie confronts Kate and from Sammi that as an actor Dom is brave to have his character get ugly and nasty. So I'm thinking, what could they possibly have a confrontation about for her to act that way when they've been friends?

Then I remember a rumour from a while back (someone help me here, Kristin perhaps?) that this episode was going to involve another kiss. So do you think in an attempt to make Claire jealous or just in his drug addled state Charlie actually comes on to Kate physically in a not nice way? It's the only thing I can think of that would make a woman push a guy off like that.

Sam G, you've been more than generous and we don't deserve to ask, but can you say if I'm getting warm?

Ack! Frustration!! Why won't the canadian clip play video for me??? All I get is audio. Is there some new version of something I need to download to view it?

Somebody help a poor junkie...:confused:
pace, did you try these links?
http://rapidshare.de/files/11386385/9655-CTV-promo-Lost212.avi.html
http://www.savefile.com/files.php?fid=9785691

if these don't work, you may need to install/upgrade divx on your computer... or just give a holler and I can convert it to mpeg and re-upload somewhere...

pace, did you try these links?
http://rapidshare.de/files/11386385/9655-CTV-promo-Lost212.avi.html
http://www.savefile.com/files.php?fid=9785691

if these don't work, you may need to install/upgrade divx on your computer... or just give a holler and I can convert it to mpeg and re-upload somewhere...

I tried rapidshare which worked but I still get audio only on my windows media player. A message says a "codec" is required to play this file but I have no idea what that is. Thanks for trying Jocko. I usually don't have trouble viewing files. Weird, right?

It's the only thing I can think of that would make a woman push a guy off like that.



The survivors could have thought Charlie using/crazy and have formed a protective circle around Claire to keep Charlie away. He might well be asking for acess to her and kate pushes him away.

Canadian promo, converted to mpeg, available for download here:

http://s10.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3RZ4I9KL2QVRL1CWI88WLM41GZ

Is it just me or are Claire and the Hobbit the worst characters on show? Especially, the Hobbit, his character is awful. Claire had a good backstory, but the Hobbit's was as cliche as they come, a rock star user, wow that's original. Everybody else has an exceptional backstory besides him. And Claries character lately has been pretty bad. Eko is such an amazing character, but when with the Hobbit, there was absolutely no chemistry. I guess I just don't like these two right now, am I alone on this one? I know many think MRod's character is the worst, but her character is solid, I think that one may have to do more with the actress. Well, just hope this episode doesn't dwell too much more into that relationship, because this the only story line I don't care about. If the Hobbit wants to use, go ahead or don't, not a big deal either way. Locke walking or not walking, now thats a big deal.

wk36

We all have our favorite and least favorite characters. Personally, Charlie and Claire are among my least favorite, but they do add to the dynamic of the show and Lost would be a different (and not necessarily better) show without them.

Canadian promo, converted to mpeg, available for download here:

http://s10.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3RZ4I9KL2QVRL1CWI88WLM41GZ


YES!!!! Got it and it works! Thank you Jocko :ntworthy: for my fix of the day.

So worth it too--Charlie with a needle?? Claire slapping Charlie? I think Hurley definitely recognizes Libby from the psych ward. She looks slightly mental.

Well, I think the show would have been better if Eko was with anybody but the Hobbit. And the show that focused on Hobbit's back story would have been better if it focused on anything else. I actually think the Hobbit is a disposable character, Claire obviously is not. I say this because in the long list of Lost questions, there is not one concerning the Hobbit or his exceptionally normal behavior.

It's my 1,000th post! Yay!! :clapping: :party: And what better way to spend it than in defense of Charlie...

wk36, maybe you ought to move your comments over to the I'm Not That Into You section, maybe you'll find some supporters there. Here, we were trying to discuss the previews for Fire+Water. You're welcome to do that if you have something constructive to say.

Oh, and the character is named "Charlie" not "Hobbit".

Congrats on your 1,000th post, Pace. I hope they've all been from work, too! :-)

And for the record, count me as someone who likes Dom and the character of Charlie and Dom's portrayal of Charlie................

It's my 1,000th post! Yay!! :clapping: :party: And what better way to spend it than in defense of Charlie...

wk36, maybe you ought to move your comments over to the I'm Not That Into You section, maybe you'll find some supporters there. Here, we were trying to discuss the previews for Fire+Water. You're welcome to do that if you have something constructive to say.

Oh, and the character is named "Charlie" not "Hobbit".

wk36, pacejunkie has given a great suggestion. Your comments would be better suited for that thread. In addition, if you wish to comment in this thread, please keep on subject.

Thanks

Ack! Frustration!! Why won't the canadian clip play video for me??? All I get is audio. Is there some new version of something I need to download to view it?

Somebody help a poor junkie...:confused:

In the meantime, my imagination is now going into overdrive. We have a clip of (presumably) Kate yelling at Charlie and pushing him away. We have Sam G's comments from the call sheet that Charlie confronts Kate and from Sammi that as an actor Dom is brave to have his character get ugly and nasty. So I'm thinking, what could they possibly have a confrontation about for her to act that way when they've been friends?

Then I remember a rumour from a while back (someone help me here, Kristin perhaps?) that this episode was going to involve another kiss. So do you think in an attempt to make Claire jealous or just in his drug addled state Charlie actually comes on to Kate physically in a not nice way? It's the only thing I can think of that would make a woman push a guy off like that.

Sam G, you've been more than generous and we don't deserve to ask, but can you say if I'm getting warm?Unfortunately the call sheet doesn't go into details. all it says is:
SC 22,23 EXT - BEACH CAMP - NEAR CLAIRE'S
Charlie confronts Kate; tells Claire that Aaron must be baptised...
SC 24 EXT - BEACH - ENCAMPMENT
Locke watches as Charlie & Kate square off

I apoligize if my comments are in the wrong spot. I thought the preview had to deal with the Hobbit using druns and a lot about him and Claire. So I discussed him and Claire and how I hope not too much of the eppy was about these two. As for whether or not my comments are constructive or not, why would you say they are not? Just because you disagree with them does not mean they are not constructive. I am just saying I don't like a few characters, why is that so bad, isnt that what thefuselage.com is for? My comments were not hurtful, they are just my opinion towards a tv show, nothing personal aimed at anyone. As for calling Charlie the Hobbit, I call him that because I know him first and foremost as that character and it is my nickname for him and has no negative connotation. Do you get upset when Sawyer calls Kate Freckles, and say her name is not Freckles, it is Kate? I bet you were really disgusted when Sawyer called Locke, Mr. Clean. It is just a harmless nickname, like the millions people use everyday.

I apoligize if my comments are in the wrong spot. I thought the preview had to deal with the Hobbit using druns and a lot about him and Claire. So I discussed him and Claire and how I hope not too much of the eppy was about these two. As for whether or not my comments are constructive or not, why would you say they are not? Just because you disagree with them does not mean they are not constructive. I am just saying I don't like a few characters, why is that so bad, isnt that what thefuselage.com is for? My comments were not hurtful, they are just my opinion towards a tv show, nothing personal aimed at anyone. As for calling Charlie the Hobbit, I call him that because I know him first and foremost as that character and it is my nickname for him and has no negative connotation. Do you get upset when Sawyer calls Kate Freckles, and say her name is not Freckles, it is Kate? I bet you were really disgusted when Sawyer called Locke, Mr. Clean. It is just a harmless nickname, like the millions people use everyday.

Nicknames used on the show are clearly different. When people say "hobbit" when referring to a character on Lost, they are typically being derogatory. By your comments I concluded you were also using that name in a negative way.

Unfortunately for you, this will be a Charlie and Claire episode. Global comments about the "worth" of certain characters are better made elsewhere as the mod has also stated. We're disussing the content of the episode (or trying to at least).


Thanks for the info Sam G. So Locke is watching the whole Charlie/Kate thing? I wonder if this is how he suspects that Charlie is using again? That Locke sure is omniscient. :)

Hmm..so Charlie wants Aaron to be baptized..for reasons unknown and in the promo pics that show just that, Aaron getting baptized.

Wonder how he convinced them if he's acting so...wacko?

I wonder if this means he is going to be redeemed by the end of the episode or if they will just take his idea and still leave him on the outs.

Or maybe Danielle will finally have her baby...

And Hurley recognizing Libby? She is a clinical psychologist, those that normally work with the institutionalized or those with serious mental illnesses

I'm not sure why there is so much Claire hate going right now. Granted, I adore her- I have ever since she (unlike Jack, who refused) decided that the passengers who died in the crash deserved to be remembered and honored. That shows me she is a good person. Certainly we are all allowed our opinions, but how can Claire be bad lately when she has had about 2 scenes total since season 2 began? I think it's disgraceful how she has been underused, and I'm sure as soon as her and Charlie's arc runs its course, she'll be in the background again. Do we get to see her interact with anyone? Nope, Scott and Steve had more interaction with our Losties than Claire has; I have no idea why they have isolated her so much. Back to my original point - everyone is human and she is no different. In real life, people will be snippy to those they feel have betrayed their trust. I don't want to see Claire portrayed as a saint, so goodly and kindly, without any jealousy, anger, pettiness, inside her. Plus, I'm thrilled that Emilie is finally getting a chance to act.

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I think we are going to have some random amnesia, like when charlie was hung, he says in the cdn prview that he doesnt know what he is doing, and the version I saw of th American preview online was shorter than the TV 1. If any1 has a full link to the preview telll me where to go.

Remember when Claire was sleepwalking with her first nightmare? I wonder if Charlie is doing the same..except he actually gets the baby during his!

If you know anything about Watership Down..Claire and Charlie might turn out to be the "Fiver' and his mate (can't remember her name) of this show if this keeps up. Fiver was the one of the group who was always having weird visions and dreams.

I'm also wondering about Hurley's Libby line. Is that a 'real' question or is it something Sawyer told him to try?

Sorry for the double post, but I was looking for something and I found the screencap. Could someone please look at this and tell me who this is and what is going on? It looks like either Kate or Ana shoving Charlie away. Whats up with that?

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=902&pos=9.

It looks like Kate and Sawyer...and he looks like he's running..

He looks a little short to be Sawyer..at least to me.

Remember when Claire was sleepwalking with her first nightmare? I wonder if Charlie is doing the same..except he actually gets the baby during his!

If you know anything about Watership Down..Claire and Charlie might turn out to be the "Fiver' and his mate (can't remember her name) of this show if this keeps up. Fiver was the one of the group who was always having weird visions and dreams.

I'm also wondering about Hurley's Libby line. Is that a 'real' question or is it something Sawyer told him to try?I see Sleepwalk on the Advance Call sheet. Is this cheating?

I don't know if its cheating..but its interesting.

Parallels between this week's Torah reading and this week's Lost episode

I discovered something interesting today. Saturday mornings we attend synagogue services. As you may or may not know, we Jewish folk read the Torah (the first five books of what Christians call the Old Testament) from beginning to end every year in order. Each week there is an assigned portion according to the Hebrew calendar. This week, we began the book of Exodus, reading the first few chapters. Here is what those chapters contain:

Moses is born. There is little detail on his parents or his birth except that his parents use one word to describe their new baby and that word is "tov" (hebrew for "good").

All first born males are decreed to be put to death, so they decide to send him down river in a basket to be either rescued or drowned. Moses is rescued by Pharoah's daughter and raised by her as an Egyptian.

Moses grows up and among other things, kills someone (an egyptian) in defense of another (a slave). Becomes an oucast and is sent into exile.

While in exile, Moses has a vision of G-d speaking to him from a burning bush, saying that Moses most rescue the Israelites and lead them out of Egypt.

Moses resists, says he is slow of speech. G-d says his brother Aaron will speak for him.

Moses accepts the task, Pharoah is stubborn and Moses is stuck with a formidable enemy and needs faith in G-d to overcome him.

I just found it really cool that all the imagery that we are seeing this week (Aaron, baby on the water, burning bush, exile) are all pervasive themes in Fire+Water. I'm sure my Christian/Catholic friends can elaborate on all the baptism imagery, but I wanted to throw this out there too because I found the timing so interesting.

Coincidence? Do you think Damon was aware of this temporal connection and timed it for that reason?

And Claries character lately has been pretty bad.

Claire hasn't had a backstory lately.

Parallels between this week's Torah reading and this week's Lost episode

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Coincidence? Do you think Damon was aware of this temporal connection and timed it for that reason?

Another member of the tribe, eh, pacejunkie? Anyway, I'm not sure if the writers would have been able to make the timing this perfect, but surely they were referencing much of the Moses/Aaron story when they had Eko ask Claire about the name. They were probably setting it up so that those who are inclined to examine the religious themes of the show would be primed to think of Moses in his basket when we see Aaron in the water.

Although Charlie did kill someone in defense of another, and is prone to weird visions (as we expect to see this week), is he our Moses figure? I'm not sure.

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Coincidence? Do you think Damon was aware of this temporal connection and timed it for that reason?

Hmm..very interesting. Damon is Jewish as well. Its logical to think he must be aware of it.

Concerning baptism..usually if someone thinks a baby is in danger it should be baptized for its own soul's sake but perhaps they are using it in this instance as some kind of protection against evil? That's what it looks like to me.

Someone on another board brought something else up. Remember in 'The House of the Rising Sun' when Locke said that the Island would give Charlie his guitar back if he gave up his drugs? So if he starts using again..will he lose his guitar? Or the use of one of his hands or something? Will the Island 'take something back?'

I'm not really trying to suggest that the parallel is direct enough for Charlie to be Moses or any other biblical figure, I guess I just liked all the little connections. Before I even found this out, the fire in the preview really looked like a burning bush to me, and Charlie has a vision and believes he has to rescue Aaron.

I also wondered whether he would lose the guitar, in part because of the drugs but mainly because it would be the last straw in Charlie's downward slide. If he was outcasted and then lost his guitar, he would really hit rock bottom. And not seeing him in the promo pics for Episode 13 (although you do see Claire and Aaron) makes me wonder what's happened to him).

Parallels between this week's Torah reading and this week's Lost episode

I discovered something interesting today. Saturday mornings we attend synagogue services. As you may or may not know, we Jewish folk read the Torah (the first five books of what Christians call the Old Testament) from beginning to end every year in order. Each week there is an assigned portion according to the Hebrew calendar. This week, we began the book of Exodus, reading the first few chapters. Here is what those chapters contain:

Moses is born. There is little detail on his parents or his birth except that his parents use one word to describe their new baby and that word is "tov" (hebrew for "good").

All first born males are decreed to be put to death, so they decide to send him down river in a basket to be either rescued or drowned. Moses is rescued by Pharoah's daughter and raised by her as an Egyptian.

Moses grows up and among other things, kills someone (an egyptian) in defense of another (a slave). Becomes an oucast and is sent into exile.

While in exile, Moses has a vision of G-d speaking to him from a burning bush, saying that Moses most rescue the Israelites and lead them out of Egypt.

Moses resists, says he is slow of speech. G-d says his brother Aaron will speak for him.

Moses accepts the task, Pharoah is stubborn and Moses is stuck with a formidable enemy and needs faith in G-d to overcome him.

I just found it really cool that all the imagery that we are seeing this week (Aaron, baby on the water, burning bush, exile) are all pervasive themes in Fire+Water. I'm sure my Christian/Catholic friends can elaborate on all the baptism imagery, but I wanted to throw this out there too because I found the timing so interesting.

Coincidence? Do you think Damon was aware of this temporal connection and timed it for that reason?Make sure you remember you wrote this when you see the episode on Wednesday.

Make sure you remember you wrote this when you see the episode on Wednesday.

Sam G you're such a tease :smile: . I'm thinking of Desmond: Come Wednesday I'll either be very right or very wrong brutha! I'm looking forward to our conversations after this episode airs. Don't forget to bring along your script.

I had a dream last night that I saw the episode and it was so surreal as to be incomprehensible and Charlie was hardly in it. I felt very disappointed. Just a dream though. It must reveal my inner anxieties over inadequate Charlie screentime.

Someone on Lost-Forum said they saw a new preview where there is a scene of Charlie crying and he says "I have to do this. I need 'em". Has anyone seen this one? I wonder if Locke stops him before he does the deed.

"do i know you from somewhere?"

I think it's been fairly obvious, atleast for me anyway, that Libby worked at the psych ward Hurley was committed in since she first mentioned it in Abandoned(I think that was the episode). I seriously doubt that she was his doctor, but I bet he saw her in the hallway once and a while. For all we know she might have been the pyschologist for Lenny(or whatever his name was), and she might have more insight on the numbers than Hurley does. I'm guessing she says something that Hurley remembers or something that Hurley heard at the Ward(about the numbers, connect four, etc.), and he starts to think she worked there.

As for Charlie and Clair, I'm guessing Charlie will actually be correct about the baby being in danger, but no one will believe him. Now, I doubt this will happen, but I think it would be cool for Charlie to become and outcast and have to live on his own outside of the camp wandering around, and then he discovers something late in the season that is important. Or it could turn out they want someone to be a spy in the group of the Others, so they send Charlie, since he feels he has nothing left, and they would believe he was outcast. Plus, he would want to protect Aaron from trouble. However, that's just pure speculation.

Also, I have a question for Sam G. How do you know all this stuff, and how did you get a call sheet? Just wondering. Thanks.

Can't wait for the next episode, and let's hope the backstory is better than last weeks.

Also, I have a question for Sam G. How do you know all this stuff, and how did you get a call sheet? Just wondering. Thanks.

Can't wait for the next episode, and let's hope the backstory is better than last weeks.I feel like I'm cheating but the actress that plays Charlie's mum in this episode is a good friend and she let me peak at her call sheets and the 3 script pages she was in. She's going to give me the script after the episode airs. She hasn't read it because she's a fan and doesn't want to be spoiled, plus she wants to be invited back if the chance ever arises.

Parallels between this week's Torah reading and this week's Lost episode

I discovered something interesting today. Saturday mornings we attend synagogue services. As you may or may not know, we Jewish folk read the Torah (the first five books of what Christians call the Old Testament) from beginning to end every year in order. Each week there is an assigned portion according to the Hebrew calendar. This week, we began the book of Exodus, reading the first few chapters. Here is what those chapters contain:

Moses is born. There is little detail on his parents or his birth except that his parents use one word to describe their new baby and that word is "tov" (hebrew for "good").

All first born males are decreed to be put to death, so they decide to send him down river in a basket to be either rescued or drowned. Moses is rescued by Pharoah's daughter and raised by her as an Egyptian.

Moses grows up and among other things, kills someone (an egyptian) in defense of another (a slave). Becomes an oucast and is sent into exile.

While in exile, Moses has a vision of G-d speaking to him from a burning bush, saying that Moses most rescue the Israelites and lead them out of Egypt.

Moses resists, says he is slow of speech. G-d says his brother Aaron will speak for him.

Moses accepts the task, Pharoah is stubborn and Moses is stuck with a formidable enemy and needs faith in G-d to overcome him.

I just found it really cool that all the imagery that we are seeing this week (Aaron, baby on the water, burning bush, exile) are all pervasive themes in Fire+Water. I'm sure my Christian/Catholic friends can elaborate on all the baptism imagery, but I wanted to throw this out there too because I found the timing so interesting.

Coincidence? Do you think Damon was aware of this temporal connection and timed it for that reason?I came up with this last night after watching "The Hunting Party" for the 4th time last night but I think part of what you said must have been working on my subconscious. I think it's the word tribes.
Come and tell me what you think.
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=728189#post728189

[quote=Pirate Guy;728034]I think it's been fairly obvious, atleast for me anyway, that Libby worked at the psych ward Hurley was committed in since she first mentioned it in Abandoned(I think that was the episode). I seriously doubt that she was his doctor, but I bet he saw her in the hallway once and a while. For all we know she might have been the pyschologist for Lenny(or whatever his name was), and she might have more insight on the numbers than Hurley does. I'm guessing she says something that Hurley remembers or something that Hurley heard at the Ward(about the numbers, connect four, etc.), and he starts to think she worked there.

Hi all, this is my first post... so I do hope I'm on point (and in the right place!!) It occurs to me that Libby might have been a patient at the psych ward rather than staff and knew about the numbers from the same guy Hurley had gotten them from... just a thought...

Hello..

Anything is possible.

MABEE.... Charlie is tryin to kick his habit and is burning all the drugs he has saved up..... Why did he have that many?

I came up with this last night after watching "The Hunting Party" for the 4th time last night but I think part of what you said must have been working on my subconscious. I think it's the word tribes.
Come and tell me what you think.
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=728189#post728189 (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=728189#post728189)

That thread was a good read. I posted my comment over there. Thanks for the link!

New, longer US promo just aired. No Hurley/Libby in it. Locke says to Charlie: Trust is a hard thing to win back.
Looks awesome. Would've have taped if I could read ABC's mind.

I wish I could have seen the new promo. I always seem to miss them.

I wish I could have seen the new promo. I always seem to miss them.

I always miss them too ... unless they air during Boston Legal. It's the only other thing I watch on ABC. :ohwell:

Its a plot by ABC to get us to watch..more ABC!

Trust is a hard thing to win back. Wonder if Charlie is exiled because he breaks faith with the other castaways...or if Locke is talking aobut his own 'trust' of Charlie? Would that mean if there were any 'side' taking going on Locke would not want Charlie on his 'side'. Or if Charlie were really NOT using would he not want to go to Locke's 'side' for his lack of faith in him?

I think they are just talking about Claire and Charlie's ability to gain back her trust because she doesn't believe him about the baby being in danger.

I have a plan to catch a preview tonight. I'm going to put in a tape and just record several hours of ABC primetime and then go back and scan for Lost commercials. Much better use of my time than to actually watch more television.

That's dedication! :)

The Claire thing is a possibility. I don't know why I keep leaving her out of the equation.

The way the quote was shown in the montage of clips, it did seem to be implying that Locke is referring to either Claire's trust of Charlie or the whole group's trust of Charlie, but probably just Claire's. It came right after Claire said something to Charlie about being hurt by his actions or not trusting him or something (those are not even paraphrases, I can only picture the look on her face and her being hurt but not what she actually said). But that doesn't mean that's what Locke really means, just what the commercial is implying.
The commercial was shown during Grey's Anatomy, one of their other top 3 shows. I actually think we can assume that a new Lost commercial will be aired every week either during Desperate Housewives or Grey's. Makes sense, viewership-wise.
Pacejunkie, I would recommend using your new method of taping on Sunday nights. :)

I think I put a crick in my neck turning from my desk to my tv so fast when I heard the Lost commercial starting.

ok, 1 question that no-one has brought up in the libby/hurley discussion--- Why was Hurley in the psyche ward. :cnfused1:

We've brought up it up. Its just a few pages back.

I'd like to know as well..and we don't know if Hurley is really asking her a question or if that is just some pick line that Sawyer told him to try out.

Why was Hurley in the psyche ward. :cnfused1:

You'll have to find another thread for that discussion since it is not part of the preview for this week's episode. There are discussions elsewhere on that topic.

In the podcast this morning they gave a preview for Fire+Water and what I found interesting was that to Damon and Carlton at least, the focus of this episode is largely on Locke's growing relationship with Claire and Aaron and the fact that Charlie feels threatened by this. They said Claire may be interested in Locke as a father figure or it may be something else, it is as yet unclear. That was really the main focus of their preview, they did not mention Aaron, visions, the heroin or anything else. All these elements will come into play of course but the producers are telling you for some reason to pay particularly close attention to Locke.

Now, why is it Locke keeps inserting himself into every relationship on the island? He started with Michael and Walt, then moved on to Shannon and Boone and now ALL of these people are currently GONE! Now he's moved onto Charlie, Claire and Aaron. Anyone else concerned here?

Yes!

And I was thinking the 'something more' between Locke and Claire might be romantic but now I'm starting to think its something else. It doesn't have to be a choice of 'father figure/friend/romantic interest. It could well be 'spy' or 'infiltrator' who is just going about things in his own sweet time.

And before someone gets upset I like LOCKE. This is not an anti-Locke sentiment in any way..but there is the mystery of the way he has been acting. Is he acting for the greater good of the group or for some other agenda?

Oh my gosh--really good points. I don't think the Claire/Locke dynamic will be romantic... I'm not anti-Locke but he CREEPS ME OUT.

pacejunkie:
Anyone else concerned here?

Now I'm totally scared for Charlie and Claire! And Aaron! Eek!
I definitely do not think that Locke's motives are for the greater good of the losties. His motivations, imo, are either for himself or for the greater good of some *other* group altogether....

I had been thinking for a while that Claire and/or Aaron would be disappearing. It would seem to fit the pattern and serve the storyline. I think Charlie is safe for now. We'll see.

I agree that Locke showing more of an interest in Claire and Aaron will prove dangerous to them both. I think Charlie recognizes this but in his current situation no one believes him. I hope you are right about Charlie being safe Pacejunkie.

I wonder if perhaps Claire doesn't go with the others of her own free will? I mean if they are terroizing her friends perhaps she might go with Aaron voluntarily...that way she could still 'raise' him?

I agree that Locke showing more of an interest in Claire and Aaron will prove dangerous to them both. I think Charlie recognizes this but in his current situation no one believes him. I hope you are right about Charlie being safe Pacejunkie.

It may just be wishful thinking, but I think Charlie is a safer character on the show than Claire is. The show is so big in the UK and he has so many fans, they'd be stupid to kill him off. But I think I'm on to something about Claire:


Charlie's having visions of some impending danger.
Locke is involved with Claire and that has historically spelled trouble for whoever he takes an interest in.
We know at least Ethan was interested in Claire and her baby and already tried to take her once. It's reasonable to think his group may try again.
Locke may be involved---since he was connected to Ethan and stopped searching for Claire last time she was taken.
Raggs, who wrote the upcoming Claire episode said someone would be in peril.
After that, is a Locke episode supposedly. If Claire and Aaron get taken again, that could set up a major confrontation between Charlie and Locke in Locke's episode.
May lead to Charlie trying to get her back this time to make up for his failure to do so last time and possibly regain her trust if he succeeds.
Could lead into the confrontation of the finale with the Others.
Something eventually has to happen to Claire and/or Aaron. I've said before they can't keep getting new babies to play Aaron for the next five or six years. And I can't see Claire continuing to be there without him. Like Michael, she would go off to find him.

I'm liking this. I may start a theory thread somewhere.

Locke is involved with Claire and that has historically spelled trouble for whoever he takes an interest in.

Just on this particular point, I can see what everyone is starting to think that Locke=trouble for relationships, and well, for continuing to be alive. But, I am hoping that he is just a really good pawn for the Others, much like he was for his father, and not a knowing spy. Maybe they have seen him falling under the spell of the island and know he can be shaped to do their work.

Here's another interesting tidbit by way of Television Without Pity


I'm regretting not having the actual text with me in posting this, but our local Sunday newspaper (Harrisburg, PA, Patriot News) TV section listed an episode sysnopsis for "Fire + Water" that seems to insist that Charlie isn't back on the smack. It said something like, "Charlie has a series of very vivid dreams that indicate that Claire's baby is in danger. However, he has trouble convincing everyone, most especially Locke, that the visions aren't drug-related."

So I am back to square one with my own personaly theory. I hate running around in circles like this! :D

It may just be wishful thinking, but I think Charlie is a safer character on the show than Claire is. The show is so big in the UK and he has so many fans, they'd be stupid to kill him off. But I think I'm on to something about Claire:


Charlie's having visions of some impending danger.
Locke is involved with Claire and that has historically spelled trouble for whoever he takes an interest in.
We know at least Ethan was interested in Claire and her baby and already tried to take her once. It's reasonable to think his group may try again.
Locke may be involved---since he was connected to Ethan and stopped searching for Claire last time she was taken.
Raggs, who wrote the upcoming Claire episode said someone would be in peril.
After that, is a Locke episode supposedly. If Claire and Aaron get taken again, that could set up a major confrontation between Charlie and Locke in Locke's episode.
May lead to Charlie trying to get her back this time to make up for his failure to do so last time and possibly regain her trust if he succeeds.
Could lead into the confrontation of the finale with the Others.Something eventually has to happen to Claire and/or Aaron. I've said before they can't keep getting new babies to play Aaron for the next five or six years. And I can't see Claire continuing to be there without him. Like Michael, she would go off to find him.

I'm liking this. I may start a theory thread somewhere.

I love this. If you do start a theory thread, post the link here. I want to follow you over there.

I'm sorry guys, has anyone got the link to the canadian preview?

If it's in this thread I have missed it. Thank you!
Njc----------------

Its over at lostlinks I believe.

Anyone notice Dom's names are not in the credits for "The Long Con'?

Should we worry?

I think we see in the promo pics for the "Long Con" who is in peril. it's not Claire

Its over at lostlinks I believe.

Anyone notice Dom's names are not in the credits for "The Long Con'?

Should we worry?

We may get a better idea of why that is come Wednesday. We know he's not in the pictures, so he could be sitting that episode out.


I love this. If you do start a theory thread, post the link here. I want to follow you over there.


Here you go LostLaura,

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=730562#post730562

Hmm..if the dreams aren't drug related..has anyone considered that Charlie might have that infamous 'sickness' that Danielle spoke of?

We may get a better idea of why that is come Wednesday. We know he's not in the pictures, so he could be sitting that episode out.



Here you go LostLaura,

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=730562#post730562

Sweet, I subscribed to it. Can't post my own thoughts yet because I'm working on my own theory... it'll go up soon too (in general theories). :biggrin:

Hmm..if the dreams aren't drug related..has anyone considered that Charlie might have that infamous 'sickness' that Danielle spoke of?

*raises hand and waves madly*

I think the sickness is some (or many) form of mind control. Making people do and/or say things they would not normally. Thus making them appear mentally ill and dangerous.

I think its about time it made its appearance in some form or another.

What's funny is I was just posting this on one of the 'sickness' threads. Everyone on the island has had a weird experience...so if its mental how would we know? And especially if Charlie contacted it first...if his use of drugs has been 'outed' people would just blame it on that. Hurley's case would be similar as some know he was in a mental hospital.

It would be telling if at the end of Wednesday's episode Jack would say something like "I don't know what's wrong with Charlie..but its not heroin'.

So far the ones who have had dreams and visions have seemed to recover pretty well and move on. Claire had dreams, Locke had a vision, Jack saw his father, Sawyer and Sayid heard voices, Sayid saw Walt, Kate saw a horse and thought she was going crazy, etc. But it didn't drive any of them permanently off the rails. If anything will do that for Charlie, it will be the drugs. I think he would get over a crazy dream or two unless it freaks him out so much combined with the way others start to mistrust him that will push him to go back to using.

I'm still not sure what this sickness is so I can't verify it, but if Charlie has it, then so do all the others who have had dreams and visions but they all seem fine now.

Yes..that was my point on the other thread. If the sickness is 'mental' how would we the audience or the character know? They've all had dreams, visions or heard whispers. My example was if someone were to walk up and say "King Kong is living at the caves' would anyone notice? :D

However..and this is just judging from the previews so I don't know what is going to happen...Charlie seems to be very pro-active with his dream of impending doom. Everyone else seemed to keep them a secret or just shared with one person. Jack asked Kate if she saw 'that man'. Sawyer and Sayid shared the thing about the whispers, Kate and Sawyer the horse. It looks like Charlie is sharing his with the whole camp!

I think its about time it made its appearance in some form or another.

What's funny is I was just posting this on one of the 'sickness' threads. Everyone on the island has had a weird experience...so if its mental how would we know? And especially if Charlie contacted it first...if his use of drugs has been 'outed' people would just blame it on that. Hurley's case would be similar as some know he was in a mental hospital.

It would be telling if at the end of Wednesday's episode Jack would say something like "I don't know what's wrong with Charlie..but its not heroin'.
Who all knows about Hurley and the hospital? I'm not sure any of them know unless Locke knows in some crazy way which would be cool.

Jack knows. Remember that scene in Man of Science Man of Faith when Hurley was trying to tell him about the numbers. He said "I was in a psych ward (or did he say mental hospital) and that seemed to be all that Jack heard. "You were in psych ward?"

Of all people it would have to be the doctor to know that one!

Must have missed that thanks for clearing it up. If Jack knows then Kate will know soon enough.

Jack knows about Charlie's drug past too. It's funny how Jack is no where around whenever the subject of heroin on the island comes up. I think it's a little unbelievable that he doesn't know about the drug plane. That's a pretty big issue for him never to be told about it from either Locke, Sayid, Eko or Charlie. I would have expected Sayid to have told him back when he was investigating Locke for Boone's death since Jack was so concerned about that. I wonder if Jack will even find out about it this time.

It could have been discussed on an off-screen conversation but knowing Jack we wouldn't have heard the end. If he hasn't heard of it he will, and when he does it'll all end up as Locke's fault.

Jack knows about Charlie's drug past too. It's funny how Jack is no where around whenever the subject of heroin on the island comes up. I think it's a little unbelievable that he doesn't know about the drug plane. That's a pretty big issue for him never to be told about it from either Locke, Sayid, Eko or Charlie. I would have expected Sayid to have told him back when he was investigating Locke for Boone's death since Jack was so concerned about that. I wonder if Jack will even find out about it this time.

That would be a great source of dramatic conflict between Jack and Locke.

If Claire 'outs' him then the word has got to get back to him somehow. "Drugs..what drugs. He ran out. Where did he get more?"

But of course since we thought of it..it will never happen! :D

That would be a great source of dramatic conflict between Jack and Locke.

Yeah. Just imagine the conversation:

Jack: Why haven't you mentioned this John?
Locke: With all due respect Jack but since when do I report to you?
Jack: With all due respect John, you lied.

Oh wait...they've had that conversation before. Nevermind :) .

:lol2:

I think it would be a good thing if Jack didn't say anything at all..but that he would just 'glare' at Locke behind his back and whenever he wasn't looking..the same way Charlie is doing now. :D

I think it would be a good thing if Jack didn't say anything at all..but that he would just 'glare' at Locke behind his back and whenever he wasn't looking..the same way Charlie is doing now. :D

I love that. Could Jack be any more passive-agressive? If he doesn't watch out he's gonna steal Charlie's title as most neurotic on the island.

The way the quote was shown in the montage of clips, it did seem to be implying that Locke is referring to either Claire's trust of Charlie or the whole group's trust of Charlie, but probably just Claire's. It came right after Claire said something to Charlie about being hurt by his actions or not trusting him or something (those are not even paraphrases, I can only picture the look on her face and her being hurt but not what she actually said). But that doesn't mean that's what Locke really means, just what the commercial is implying.
The commercial was shown during Grey's Anatomy, one of their other top 3 shows. I actually think we can assume that a new Lost commercial will be aired every week either during Desperate Housewives or Grey's. Makes sense, viewership-wise.
Pacejunkie, I would recommend using your new method of taping on Sunday nights. :)

I think I put a crick in my neck turning from my desk to my tv so fast when I heard the Lost commercial starting.

It worked LostLaura! I taped 3 hours of ABC tonight and scanned it in ten minutes. I got two different Lost previews. One showed Charlie with his hood on sneaking off with the baby, the other was the one you described here with the trust line from Locke. I'm pretty pleased. That took no effort. There were alot of previews for Tuesday shows so I'm gonna do this again tomorrow night figuring they'll promote it more heavily then.

After that, just one more day to wait! I think I'm getting through this...

It worked LostLaura! I taped 3 hours of ABC tonight and scanned it in ten minutes. I got two different Lost previews. One showed Charlie with his hood on sneaking off with the baby, the other was the one you described here with the trust line from Locke. I'm pretty pleased. That took no effort. There were alot of previews for Tuesday shows so I'm gonna do this again tomorrow night figuring they'll promote it more heavily then.

After that, just one more day to wait! I think I'm getting through this...

Woohoo! I'm glad to hear this method worked. I, of course, could not even get my VCR to tape last week's eppy (had to d/l it off iTunes instead...), so I won't ever be able to effectively tape commercials, I don't think.

Any new thoughts or interpretations based off what you saw? Any tidbits to tell us? What *did* Claire say to Charlie one or two clips before Locke says that line to Charlie about trust?

Sounds like the episode will be intense.

Boone could have told Jack about the drugs off screen

Any new thoughts or interpretations based off what you saw? Any tidbits to tell us? What *did* Claire say to Charlie one or two clips before Locke says that line to Charlie about trust?

Charlie said the baby's in danger and Claire just looked at him like he was insane. I don't think she said anything. Some people were wondering whether Aaron was taken by Charlie or an Other in the last shot of the original preview when Aaron is being lifted from the cradle. This one pretty much confirms it was Charlie. He looked like a thief in the night. Now I wonder what he plans on doing with Aaron now that he's got him. I'll report again tonight after I see what I get.

I wonder if he's sleepwalking in that scene? Remember the bit from the Canandian promo where Hurley asks what he's doing with the baby and Charlie answers "I don't know!"

I wouldn't blame the group for sending him into exile! That is scary behavior.

The question is of course..what is causing it.

I don't think he's sleepwalking in the second night scene. When he sets the fire and takes the baby he looks pretty alert and aware of what he is doing. The only time I think he is sleepwalking is when he has that first bizarre dream and Hurley finds him on the beach. He looks out of it and confused there. After that people are leery of him.

Okay, I need AOL clips now. Last week YahooTV had them on Tuesday. I'm going to check it throughout the day. Have you heard no insiderscoop this week? I'm glad because I wanted to resist it but didn't know if I could. Temptation emergency averted!

hh..so it looks like he takes the baby twice. What is this impending danger that he is so sure that is going to happen?


insiderscoop has no set time during the day to post. I'll give him a look in if he/she posts.

He/she tends to overlook Charlie..which irks me. If I had a chance to see an eppie ahead of time and even if it was all about nothing but a character I didn't like I would still take careful notes and report back to those who wanted to know because I know there would be people who did CARE even if I didn't give a flying flip about character x.

Sorry for the mini-rant.

insiderscoop has no set time during the day to post. I'll give him a look in if he/she posts.

There was already a post from insiderscoop that said he would not be previewing the episode this week.

And yes, it looks to me like he takes the baby twice. Once while sleepwalking and once with intent.

I just saw that. I don't blame insiderscoop for not posting at THAT particular board anymore...but why did he have to stop NOW? :D

I'm not sure if this is true or not but one of my American friends said that This will be Charlie's last episode for a few weeks

I'm not sure if it's true and I hope it isn't but I thought I'd pass it on, maybe it's just a theory from the Long Con's promo pictures
but like I said I'm passing it on.

Well after this its a rerun (although he's heavily featured in the rerun). He may not be in Sawyer's ep but we don't know anything about Sayid's yet. Maybe he returns in that one. It may have something to do with the Others or the sickness.

Either Charlie was sleepwalking or he started using again because of the stress. I hope he was just sleepwalking.

Looks to me like he's haveing night terrors.

lol, hurley calls the tailies the tailies

Its over at lostlinks I believe.

Anyone notice Dom's names are not in the credits for "The Long Con'?

Should we worry?Not sure where this is coming from, unless the press release (http://www.abcmedianet.com/ams/assets/both/2006/01/23/012306_14.html) has changed since its initial release (which I believe they usually note): "Lost" stars Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje as Mr. Eko, Naveen Andrews as Sayid, Emilie de Ravin as Claire, Matthew Fox as Jack, Jorge Garcia as Hurley, Josh Holloway as Sawyer, Daniel Dae Kim as Jin, Yunjin Kim as Sun, Evangeline Lilly as Kate, Dominic Monaghan as Charlie, Terry O'Quinn as Locke, Harold Perrineau as Michael, Michelle Rodriguez as Ana Lucia and Cynthia Watros as Libby.

He's not in the promo shots, but he is still in the credits.

Looks to me like he's haveing night terrors.I thought that night terrors (if I remember from my neuropsych class) were usually associated with not being able to remember anything. I also think with night terrors, the person may semi-awake but unable to move (sleep paralysis), a far cry from the sleepwalking that Charlie is claiming.

Eko always seems to know so much more than he is willing to say! I hope he expounds on his thoughts a little in the ep.

Thank you! :)

I don't understand the baby/cradle in the ocean... if I remember right, Charlie can't swim! Didn't he say that when Joanna and Boone were out in the water?


Don't know if it's been said but, Charlie said I "DON'T" swim. He didn't say he couldn't

Don't know if it's been said but, Charlie said I "DON'T" swim. He didn't say he couldn't

That distinction has been pointed out before but I'm really not sure if it makes a difference. I wonder if they'll address that at all or if the writers have forgotten that he ever said it that way? Anyway, in a dream you can do anything.

That distinction has been pointed out before but I'm really not sure if it makes a difference. I wonder if they'll address that at all or if the writers have forgotten that he ever said it that way? Anyway, in a dream you can do anything.

I could be wrong (good way to start all hypotheses), but I think the scene during Joanna's drowning is important as well as Charlie's reluctance to swim. It's odd that Joanna's body never washed ashore even though the currents brought the raft back. The taillies hadn't discovered any unidentified bodies.

The diary writer on ABC described seeing something in the water while she swam last season. She thought it was a whale, but I'm not sure. Joanna was a strong swimmer and was pulled out by it, but the rip current was gone when Boone/Jack went to save her. They were exhausted and Jack still made it back = no rip current. This has been discussed also, but I think a strong rip would still have been around in some intensity.

Even during the cave in, Charlie's abilites are doubted. I think his problem with swimming was that he was told he couldn't swim. Like Jack was told he didn't have what it takes.

This 'theory' is kinda all over the place. Thinking and writing isn't a practice that produces a coherent idea. :smile: