LOVED this episode. Good storyline progress. However, I have some serious issues here:

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1. Kate gets nabbed by The Others. The rest of the "party" has to leave w/ their tail between their legs. Why on earth did they not "debrief" Kate? I.e. "How many were there? Did they say anything about Michael or Walt? How many weapons did they have and what kind? What did they look like? What do they wear? Why are they so dirty? :eek2: No soap or just don't believe in bathing? What did they say? Did they have a campsite or a dwelling there? Tell us EVERYTHING they said!" Yet no questions and not even a little intellectual curiosity. I don't get it.:confused:

2. Jack asks Ana Lucia how long it takes to train an army. Has already been brought up, but WHY ON EARTH would that not be Sayid's area of expertise? If there was ever a need for some IEDs or truck bombs (whatever) isn't it NOW? :ohwell:

3. In all seriousness, when the dude tells them it's their island, why not tell him that they would actually prefer to depart the island? Why not at least pitch that as an option?? That really would have been a fairly logical response. :rolleyes:

Those are my "issues". Any thoughts? Like I said, I loved the episode but I can't get past some of the logical problems with how things played out. :undecide:

I think you might want to edit with spoiler font.

Edited to include warning. Not sure if there's anywhere it hasn't aired yet.

As it has been mentioned before, the losties seem to suffer from curiosity amnesia. They just don't communicate. There's no debriefing with Kate (that we see) just like there is no discussion with the other losties and Charlie & Eko about Smokey or between the tailies and fusies about what happened on the other side of the island.

I don't know about you, but being stuck on a creepy island...I wouldn't be able to NOT talk about all the weird stuff going down. :ohwell:

Moved since episode has aired.

Those were my 3 issues as well.

As far as why i dont think the others would help them off the island....why would they give up their supplies to help them out?

As far as why i dont think the others would help them off the island....why would they give up their supplies to help them out?

For me, the bottom line is that this show has too many characters to service.They can't possibly include every needed scene.

I wish they would spin the show off and split up the characters and give us two rpisodes a week. ABC/Disney would get twice the ad income and possibly twice the DVD sales. And we would get twice the info per week or else not have to suffer through new episode withdrawal for 6 weeks AND they could flush out the storylines better.

what bugged me is that jack had the chance to ask the others questions like

why did you take people?!! what is the "monster"? what is this hatch all about? but he wasnt persistant enough in my opinion.

1) Yes, the losties might as well be mutes, because they never talk to each other. As many have said it is a way to slow the plot down, which is good, but sometimes can be taken too far.

2) Well Sayid is still mourning Shannon and Jack likes A.L., plus he's pissed at Kate so he'd rather build an army with A.L.

3) Good point, I think they should have said something like, "Uhh we crashed here, why don't you give us a boat ride off this island and we won't have any problems." Seriously, I agree Jack should have mentioned something to that point, and questioned Zeke more.

All that being said this epi was AWESOME!!!

or at least sawyer with a smart alec response like;
not like we made reservations for this island. we're packed and ready to leave.

they were obviously only interested in getting the guns. or otherwise would have stayed hidden.

i hope the army idea is to map and search the island to find out how many and where the others are, not to go comando and kill them all (most are probably children, they lost 5 adults in the last month, goodwin, ethan, one by ana, and 2 by eko) and all they had were their hands, rocks and an old army knife that ana has now. they took 9 from the talies two of which were children who knows how fit or ages of the other 7 and they have to convice them of their plans to make them cooperate willingly. these 9 might be trying to escape. also if this is the group walt is with he is activly trying to contact his father


I think the last line in the computer message from walt must have been "come alone" is why Mike took off by himself and trying to make locke and jack not follow.

IMHO

I think the last line in the computer message from walt must have been "come alone" is why Mike took off by himself and trying to make locke and jack not follow.

IMHO

Good thought!

I think he went up to Ana Lucia because he knew she "killed" one already. Sayid has not encountered them yet.

AL has.

The Losties DO discuss the goings on on the Island! Just not on camera, let's face it, exposition is boring.

Proof:

Sawyer said something about Cindy's nabbing. He was passed out at the time, so he would have to have been TOLD about it.
He mentioned it to Jack and Locke with no further explanation, nor questions from them, indicating that they knew what he was talking about. They weren't there, so someone must have TOLD them.

Why were Hurley and Charlie discussing girls while on button duty? Why wasn't Charlie going "And then this big black smoke thing came out of the jungle right up to him! I saw the whole thing!"

They had clearly just finished that conversation regarding Smokey when the talk naturaly turned to girls. As it always does...

Charlie: And then it just flew back into the woods and into a hole in the ground! I swear, mate!

Hugo: Yeah, dude, whatever you say. And I'm worth $148 million!

Charlie: I'm being serious! I saw it!

Hugo: (Sarcasticly) Are you sure you weren't on drugs or something?

Charlie: ...Let's listen to some tunes and talk about women.

Hugo: OK.

This bugs my wife and I as well...

They never ask questions. They never talk about what has happened.

Why not? Why didn't Jack say "Hey, we would be happy to get the heck out of here."

To be fair about asking Zeke stuff, Lost asked him something, I can't remember what, as soon as they encountered him and he just ignored it. I think that set the tone that this was not a Q&A session.

They had clearly just finished that conversation regarding Smokey when the talk naturaly turned to girls. As it always does...

Charlie: And then it just flew back into the woods and into a hole in the ground! I swear, mate!

Hugo: Yeah, dude, whatever you say. And I'm worth $148 million!

Charlie: I'm being serious! I saw it!

Hugo: (Sarcasticly) Are you sure you weren't on drugs or something?

Charlie: ...Let's listen to some tunes and talk about women.

Hugo: OK.

I hope that's on the DVD.:D

I've seen this braught up a bunch of times... but like another poster said, all that dialogue happens off camera.

Whenever someone says something to another character On Camera, to alude to them knowing about something that happened that they 'shouldnt' know about, then there pop up 50 posts saying "How did so and so know about that if they were not there?"

The answer is obvious... they ARE discussing the events, but off camera...

The show would start to suck if every character did a recap of events to every other character on camera. Think about what your asking here...

If at the end of Ekos ep if charlie and eko went back to the camp and told Jin and Sun what happened witht he smoke, then Eko walks off camera, cam follows Charlie as he goes tell Claire, and as hes telling Claire, Hurley walks up overhears, then hurley goes tells Sawyer. And so on and so on. Would be boring becuase we just WACTHED it happen. Watching the characters it happened to as they tell it to every other character would not make good TV.

Just assume they do talk about 'most' things...

This bugs my wife and I as well...

They never ask questions. They never talk about what has happened.

Why not? Why didn't Jack say "Hey, we would be happy to get the heck out of here."

I was thinking the same thing - they never seem to ask the right questions either. I was hoping one of them would ask:

How did you get here, how long been here, why can't we cross this line, why won't you let us leave, what's with the hatches, are you a part of an experiment, are you scientists, did you make our plane crash, what are you doing with Walt and the other kids, do we really have to punch in the numbers???

I totally agree!!! I am so over the fact that no one asks any questions. Why didn't Jack shut his mouth and not get so belligerent and sit and listen to what the Other wanted to talk about. Why didn't they ask questions about where they are, how they got there, how do they get off, what's with the monster, etc...
How dumb do the writers think we are? I know they don't want to give too much away, but when you throw us a bone like that one last night, why not supply us with a little more credible information.
And why didn't Locke say anything, if ever there was a time for him to spill his wisdom, that was it!!!!!!!!!
I love this show, but please.....

they never seem to ask the right questions either. I was hoping one of them would ask:

How did you get here, how long been hereThey don't ask these questions because they would not be answered. We'll get the answers if and when the creators think it is the right time (in terms of what makes the best drama and what is good for this series). Another thing I keep reading are questions about why people don't talk about the numbers, when the answer is obvious; at best, the characters would almost wind up exactly where we as viewers are now. They would conclude, "Boy, there sure is something freaky about those numbers! But what does it mean?"

Qapla'

SSB

I think he went up to Ana Lucia because he knew she "killed" one already. Sayid has not encountered them yet.

AL has.

As far as we know...the tail section, with the exception of course of A-L, all thought Goodwin was one of them. None of them knew he was an Other. A-L figured it out right before she killed him. And when she came back she let them believe that he was killed by the Others. Of course, we all realize they could've been told off camera. Perhaps that's the case with this.


To be fair about asking Zeke stuff, Lost asked him something, I can't remember what, as soon as they encountered him and he just ignored it. I think that set the tone that this was not a Q&A session.

Do you mean Locke asked him something? If so, I believe he asked how they knew their names.

I've seen this braught up a bunch of times... but like another poster said, all that dialogue happens off camera.

Whenever someone says something to another character On Camera, to alude to them knowing about something that happened that they 'shouldnt' know about, then there pop up 50 posts saying "How did so and so know about that if they were not there?"

The answer is obvious... they ARE discussing the events, but off camera...

The show would start to suck if every character did a recap of events to every other character on camera. Think about what your asking here...

If at the end of Ekos ep if charlie and eko went back to the camp and told Jin and Sun what happened witht he smoke, then Eko walks off camera, cam follows Charlie as he goes tell Claire, and as hes telling Claire, Hurley walks up overhears, then hurley goes tells Sawyer. And so on and so on. Would be boring becuase we just WACTHED it happen. Watching the characters it happened to as they tell it to every other character would not make good TV.

Just assume they do talk about 'most' things...

Very well put.

Back to the original post:

1. Not to mention Kate may not have seen anything....she was blindfolded, and could have been hit from behind, she probably knows very little.

2. I don't think Jack was necessarily asking AL because she has expertise, he was kind of bouncing the idea of it off of her. To me symbolizing his break from Kate as his confidant.

3. I doubt the others want them off the island, otherwise they could kill them and be done with them, they are all there for a reason.

I think it's worth keeping in mind that in the ~35 episodes so far, if you figure that each episode has around 40 minutes of footage, we're dealing with about 24 hours of footage. Factor in the flashbacks, the replayed scenes in the hatch, the recent past they showed on "The Other 48 Days" and you're down to maybe 16-18 hours of island time. They've been there 50 days (1,200 hours)! We've seen less than 2% of their time actually spent on the island. Can you imagine how drawn out it would be if the writers couldn't use liberties like not having us actually see one character tell someone else each useful bit of information?

Leaving out certain things may be annoying to some, but it's critical to the ability to get to the meat of the story.

I really do understand the practical aspects of leaving some items to be assumed. (I.E., the characters talk amongst themselves about current events). This was just one episode where I was really wanting to hear that dialogue!! :frown:

As far as we know...the tail section, with the exception of course of A-L, all thought Goodwin was one of them. None of them knew he was an Other. A-L figured it out right before she killed him. And when she came back she let them believe that he was killed by the Others. Of course, we all realize they could've been told off camera. Perhaps that's the case with this. .
Actually, AL's killing of Goodwin was not my first thought. Remember, when they were attacked the first night on the beach, she was tackled by one of "them" and she bashed the other in the head with a rock, killing him/her (can't remember for certain). Also, the impression I got was that some of them got it that Goodwin wasn't so Good afterall, and Ana had to kill him. She said something like "we're safe here" after she came back down, I think. At least if I were in that group, my mind would start churning towards that very idea.

Now... onto everybody's complaints of asking questions. A couple of things here -- First off, listening to an hour long interrogation of one lostaway to another would become boring very quickly. B. Asking all these questions of eachother would solve nothing because nobody knows anymore than we do; perhaps less. 3. I don't want to be spoon fed the entire story. Use a bit of imagnination to fill in the gaps. Make up a conversation, like the LOL one between Charlie and Hugo about the monster to music/girls conversation. Lastly, I don't think Jack was really concerned about asking questions about the hatch, numbers, monsters, Gorton fish sticks, etc when Kate was at gunpoint, They were being threatened, Michael was a on a raving lunatic plight that would most likely get him killed, and Walt was still missing. I am quite certain that his mind was too preoccupied to have a chatty chat over tea and crumpets to discuss too much.

Eearlier in this thread (or perhaps another?) somebody brought up Kate's time in "Other" custody. She may have heard some things, but her head was bagged, so she was not likely to see much. I was actually VERY satisfied with this week's episode because the individual events that took place were grounded in plausibility, a stark contrast to the 23rd Psalm with Eko's confrontation with the Security System. Sort of like how Everybody Hates Hugo was so far removed from the trite and very dark preceding episodes.

For me, the bottom line is that this show has too many characters to service.They can't possibly include every needed scene.

I wish they would spin the show off and split up the characters and give us two rpisodes a week. ABC/Disney would get twice the ad income and possibly twice the DVD sales. And we would get twice the info per week or else not have to suffer through new episode withdrawal for 6 weeks AND they could flush out the storylines better.


that or just give us two hour episodes every week. they already show the previous week's episode before the new one.

grrrrrrrrr.

Re: the lack of exposition/communication between the Lostaways

I think it's been alluded to (multiple times) that Hurley is the main communication mechanism between the group members themselves. #1: Arzt (sp?) knew about the trek to The Black Rock ("If you want to keep a secret, don't tell the fat guy"); #2: Just in last night's ep, Hurley exposed to Sun/Jin that Michael went after Walt; #3: Also in last night's ep, Hurley (or was that Charlie?) exposed to Sayid that "everyone" went after Michael.

I'm sure there are still some "major secrets" that they still have from each other. But, a lot of things are being revealed "off-camera" and (more than likely) by Hurley. :biggrin:


Witchy Chick

I totally agree!!! I am so over the fact that no one asks any questions. Why didn't Jack shut his mouth and not get so belligerent and sit and listen to what the Other wanted to talk about. Why didn't they ask questions about where they are, how they got there, how do they get off, what's with the monster, etc...
How dumb do the writers think we are? I know they don't want to give too much away, but when you throw us a bone like that one last night, why not supply us with a little more credible information.
And why didn't Locke say anything, if ever there was a time for him to spill his wisdom, that was it!!!!!!!!!
I love this show, but please.....

It's called plot deceleration. It occurs when TPTB refuse to let people that can, should, and would talk, do so. So information within the Lost camp travels as slow as molasses, becuase the writers won't write the stop we want when we want it. It has a twofold effect:

1-Any information that comes out is always a huge bomb, because we are forced to wait for it when we don't get it through dialogue progression. This "OMG New Info" is why people like Lost. But we get this crappy "no ask, no tell" policy with everybody.

2-It allows the writers to acutally write one episode at a time. With the NANT policy, they can carefully construct exacltly where they want the NEXT episode to go. If people talked we'd already know where things were going. It's a suspense mechanism. For educated and intelligent viewers it can be a real drag, but such is the price you pay for a story as well crafted as Lost. Lost in this way relies HEAVILY on suspension of disbelief.

Ana-Lucia: Hear you were out lookin' for Michael.
Jack: Yeah.
Ana-Lucia: He ran off lookin' for his kid again?
Jack nods.
Ana-Lucia: Not much you can do about that then.
Jack: Is it true that you killed one of them?
Ana-Lucia: One of who?
Jack: Them.
Ana-Lucia nods.
Jack: Sayid tells me you're a cop.
Ana-Lucia: I was a cop.
Jack: Can I ask you somethin'?
Ana-Lucia: Shoot.
Jack: How long do you think it would take to train an army?


From that exchange it seems pretty clear that 1. they do talk to each other off camera as Ana-Lucia heard he was looking for Michael, 2. it's likely that Jack did go to Sayid first coming away with the info regarding Ana-Lucia being a cop and having killed one of "them".

Having a scene where characters sit around and discuss things probably wouldn't be in our best interest. A few posters have mentioned that it would get boring fast. I couldn't agree more. It's just like in Bond films when the villain goes on with his exposition at the end. We've pretty much seen everything the villain says, but we get it spelled out for us just the same. Second, I agree with the other poster about plot deceleration. It also kind of gives the writes a bit of plausible deniability if a future plot thread goes in some other direction.

Having said that, as far as not asking Zeke any of the right questions, I'm not sure he didn't. The first thing Jack asks is "Who are you?" Sawyer answers the question before Zeke can and then gets shot at. He then asks about Michael and is told not to worry about him. He asks Zeke what he wants. Then the whole thing about Locke building a fire and having a chit chat. When we come back to the scene, Zeke says he comes in peace, that Jack won't get hurt, and then Locke asks him how he knows their names. No answer. Jack says "You took Walt." Zeke says Walt is fine and is a special boy. Jack then insists that Zeke talk. Zeke goes on to do some talking. He flat out tells them that they're treading on their territory and are clueless as to what's happening. Then he connects himself to the Hanso Foundation (but only we viewers know that), and then implies a threat about having too much curiosity, warning them not to dig any deeper. Jack, I think, gets caught up in the moment and foolishly tries to call his bluff.

During that whole scene I kept thinking, Jack, please let Locke do the talking, son. I was hoping beyond all hope that Locke would set Jack down and let wisdom prevail, but no. Locke understands discretion, and Zeke pretty much said something to that effect. I got the sense that Zeke and Locke had some kind of mutual understanding, that the other was not to be trifled with.

But, Jack does seem to pull it together enough to press him about Ethan. Based on Zeke's reaction, I'm not so sure Ethan was sent from his camp. Further, Ethan was overly aggressive to the point of actual murder to capture Claire. Zeke's group, while not terribly hospitable, did not really want anything from Jack's group, and there was certainly no mention of Claire or Aaron. He just wanted Jack to go home, no harm, no foul. Zeke mentions a metaphorical line and a misunderstanding which I took to mean that as long as Jack stays out of their business, it's all good. Zeke shows us that he's got a posse after all, but then the adrenaline once again takes over and Jack refuses to listen to either Zeke or Locke. Locke and Zeke share a very meaningful look at that moment.

Then they roll out Kate, the hostage. Zeke pulls a gun. Ok, that sucks. It doesn't look good for the whole coming in peace routine. I guess he's gotta do what he's gotta do. So Jack decides, finally, that it's best to live to fight another day, and walks away. Good thing Zeke's a man of his word and didn't shoot them anyway.

I question whether that gun was actually loaded. The sound effect we hear of him cocking the hammer didn't sound like a round chambered. I hate splitting hairs, but if that gun wasn't actually loaded, it would be significant.

So it seems that the important questions are being asked, and in fact, they're being answered. Sometimes they're not answered the way we'd like them to be.

Ana-Lucia: Hear you were out lookin' for Michael.
Jack: Yeah.
Ana-Lucia: He ran off lookin' for his kid again?
Jack nods.
Ana-Lucia: Not much you can do about that then.
Jack: Is it true that you killed one of them?
Ana-Lucia: One of who?
Jack: Them.
Ana-Lucia nods.
Jack: Sayid tells me you're a cop.
Ana-Lucia: I was a cop.
Jack: Can I ask you somethin'?
Ana-Lucia: Shoot.
Jack: How long do you think it would take to train an army?


From that exchange it seems pretty clear that 1. they do talk to each other off camera as Ana-Lucia heard he was looking for Michael, 2. it's likely that Jack did go to Sayid first coming away with the info regarding Ana-Lucia being a cop and having killed one of "them".

Having a scene where characters sit around and discuss things probably wouldn't be in our best interest. A few posters have mentioned that it would get boring fast. I couldn't agree more. It's just like in Bond films when the villain goes on with his exposition at the end. We've pretty much seen everything the villain says, but we get it spelled out for us just the same. Second, I agree with the other poster about plot deceleration. It also kind of gives the writes a bit of plausible deniability if a future plot thread goes in some other direction.

Having said that, as far as not asking Zeke any of the right questions, I'm not sure he didn't. The first thing Jack asks is "Who are you?" Sawyer answers the question before Zeke can and then gets shot at. He then asks about Michael and is told not to worry about him. He asks Zeke what he wants. Then the whole thing about Locke building a fire and having a chit chat. When we come back to the scene, Zeke says he comes in peace, that Jack won't get hurt, and then Locke asks him how he knows their names. No answer. Jack says "You took Walt." Zeke says Walt is fine and is a special boy. Jack then insists that Zeke talk. Zeke goes on to do some talking. He flat out tells them that they're treading on their territory and are clueless as to what's happening. Then he connects himself to the Hanso Foundation (but only we viewers know that), and then implies a threat about having too much curiosity, warning them not to dig any deeper. Jack, I think, gets caught up in the moment and foolishly tries to call his bluff.

During that whole scene I kept thinking, Jack, please let Locke do the talking, son. I was hoping beyond all hope that Locke would set Jack down and let wisdom prevail, but no. Locke understands discretion, and Zeke pretty much said something to that effect. I got the sense that Zeke and Locke had some kind of mutual understanding, that the other was not to be trifled with.

But, Jack does seem to pull it together enough to press him about Ethan. Based on Zeke's reaction, I'm not so sure Ethan was sent from his camp. Further, Ethan was overly aggressive to the point of actual murder to capture Claire. Zeke's group, while not terribly hospitable, did not really want anything from Jack's group, and there was certainly no mention of Claire or Aaron. He just wanted Jack to go home, no harm, no foul. Zeke mentions a metaphorical line and a misunderstanding which I took to mean that as long as Jack stays out of their business, it's all good. Zeke shows us that he's got a posse after all, but then the adrenaline once again takes over and Jack refuses to listen to either Zeke or Locke. Locke and Zeke share a very meaningful look at that moment.

Then they roll out Kate, the hostage. Zeke pulls a gun. Ok, that sucks. It doesn't look good for the whole coming in peace routine. I guess he's gotta do what he's gotta do. So Jack decides, finally, that it's best to live to fight another day, and walks away. Good thing Zeke's a man of his word and didn't shoot them anyway.

I question whether that gun was actually loaded. The sound effect we hear of him cocking the hammer didn't sound like a round chambered. I hate splitting hairs, but if that gun wasn't actually loaded, it would be significant.

So it seems that the important questions are being asked, and in fact, they're being answered. Sometimes they're not answered the way we'd like them to be.

Wow. Great post. I love it when I read a post like this....you get it...seems like more and more around here don't.

LOVED this episode. Good storyline progress. However, I have some serious issues here:

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1. Kate gets nabbed by The Others. The rest of the "party" has to leave w/ their tail between their legs. Why on earth did they not "debrief" Kate? I.e. "How many were there? Did they say anything about Michael or Walt? How many weapons did they have and what kind? What did they look like? What do they wear? Why are they so dirty? :eek2: No soap or just don't believe in bathing? What did they say? Did they have a campsite or a dwelling there? Tell us EVERYTHING they said!" Yet no questions and not even a little intellectual curiosity. I don't get it.:confused:

2. Jack asks Ana Lucia how long it takes to train an army. Has already been brought up, but WHY ON EARTH would that not be Sayid's area of expertise? If there was ever a need for some IEDs or truck bombs (whatever) isn't it NOW? :ohwell:

3. In all seriousness, when the dude tells them it's their island, why not tell him that they would actually prefer to depart the island? Why not at least pitch that as an option?? That really would have been a fairly logical response. :rolleyes:

Those are my "issues". Any thoughts? Like I said, I loved the episode but I can't get past some of the logical problems with how things played out. :undecide:

1. Jack did not question her yet because he is still mad that she did not listen to him and almost got herself killed.

2. Jack likes A. L. and this is an excuse for them to start forming a relationship.

3. These people are the enemy...... They killed and kidnapped the survivors. Also he knows that they had a boat when they kidnapped Walt. So he could assume that these peole have no desire to leave the Island. And buy the remark my Island he knows that they do not want any intruders on the island. So they would not want them to get of the island because they would then tell whoever that they kidnapped Walt. And then the police and CIA/FBI would be searching the new Not so Secret "Secret Isaland".

In my unqualified opinion as an amateur writer, and admittedly having no experience in the television industry whatsoever, I still feel that the only weakness the writing/production team has had so far with this series is in reconciling the fact that with every new reveal/twist, there are also questions begged that need to at the very least be skirted around or dodged by the characters in a crafty fashion. They did a little of this when Jack promptly asked Zeke, "Who are you people?", and the seabilly said nothing and another question was immediately asked. However, this was just a little too sloppy of a dodge.

The bottom line is that, when the scene demands that the audience scream out a question at their television set, the writing should err on the side of being VAGUE on the issue rather than COMPLETELY IGNORING it. And In being Vague, there should be severe intelligence and intrigue injected into said grey area.

When I watched this episode, I loved it!!!! O.K. think that Zeke wanted the guns, or else he would've let them go. I think Jack is speaking with A-L because she is the most mentally stable. I think that walt really is fine and that We are going to see alot more fo the others when the time comes. I think the wwriters thrive offof suspense and the insanity that ensues. I also think that they do speak off camera, because the lack of who knows what actually doesnt matter because i dont notice it untill this post said something.

Just my 2 cents.

This bugs my wife and I as well...

They never ask questions. They never talk about what has happened.

Why not? Why didn't Jack say "Hey, we would be happy to get the heck out of here."

As I've said before, it is like the various "weird" parts of the story are just thrown in in order to give the audience something to 'ooh, aah' over and never thought of again in the ongoing story. IMHO It is pretty careless and sloppy story writing. :rolleyes:

Example:

The writers are thinking about something cool to add in the next episode and someone comes up with the idea that the Losties find a tree that sprouts hamburgers!! It is cool and funny and it gets written into the next episode.

Weeks later, while writing the script the plot element comes up that all the food is gone and everyone resorts to cannibalism. One of the writers asks, "Hey. Didnt we say that there was a hamburger tree nearby?" Other writers reply, "The who on the what now?"

Basically I am saying that this show does not seem to have a "Consistency Proofer"; Someone hired to make sure that the plot elements retain a sense of consistency :undecide: