Literally! How passive agressive does he have to be to LET ZEKE COUNT TO TWO!

I liked how the writers showed that Jack wasn't all light and Sawyer wasn't all dark, gives some depth and humanity to the characters. But now Jack's "darkness" has just turned into highschool immaturity. So what, Kate kissed him and doesn't like him? You've known her for 50 days and you think you're married or something. Who the hell cares if Sawyer loves her? Jack should've just backed off of Zeke when he saw Kate was in danger....but to let Zeke count to two? Someone needs to smack some sense into him.

I agree... someone needs to whack him (Jack) upside the head... He annoyed me more in this eppy than any other. If Jack would have let Kate go in the first place she wouldn't have gotten taken and used against them... Everything would have turned out differently. Unfortunatly Jack has to start pulling his 'Caveman' routine and take control of everything. I would have done the same thing Kate did... I would have followed them out too~!!!

BTW... I LOVE your Avi Kris!!

I can understand there being criticisms of Jack & respect differeing opinion, but I don't understand why there's a need to bash vs. constructively discuss.

As I posted elsewhere:

I think it's oversimplfying the entire situation to reduce it to jealousy. Imo, seeing Kate held at gunpoint flipped a switch in Jack that said "I can't stand to suffer the loss of someone I care about again"...Zeke had been addressing Jack specifically & I think knew Kate was a weak spot..It was like Jack had been punched in the stomach. His eyes started to well & his face contorted in a last struggle for control. It's like he was so paralyzed by fear & consumed w/hatred for Zeke, that he had to snap out of a trance. I don't think he could look at Kate after asking if she was alright because of how affected he had just been.

In conjunction w/the above, he had just essentially failed to bring Michael/Walt home, as he failed to bring Christian back alive. Imo, this augmented his need to detach himself & he's shut down emotionally.

This is supported by Foxy's comments about the episode "You realize he cares so freaking much for her (Kate) that he doesn't want to get attached to anything else that will cause him hurt. He's really pushing her away."

It also took time for Sawyer/Locke to relinquish their weapons w/the gun pntd at her neck.

I agree, Kristatos. Jack nearly let Kate die. It's definitely time for him to relinquish the leader role.

Agreed. Jack is a passive-aggressive, controlling baby. I can't think of one thing he actually did that I liked this episode. Whined at Locke the whole time about the trail and disagreeing with everything he says. Just to disagree it seemed like. Wah, wah, wah. Whatever.

Anywho, I'm going to stand out from the crowd, however, and say what a passive-aggressive, controlling baby Kate was. Sure, Jack treated her like a child. Doesn't mean she had to act like one. There could've been some discussion as to Jack's reasoning. Oh wait. I forgot. No one discusses anything on this show. At least not Jack. But for Kate to stubbornly follow them. Why? Why. Why does she always have to be in on everything. Why did SHE want to carry the dynamite? Why. If you ask me, they deserve each other.

You know, I just realized...I'm getting to the point where I don't care about any of them. Whiny Jack. Stubborn Kate. Pissed off Sawyer. Whiny, stubborn pissed off Michael. Who cares. You can throw Charlie in the mix too. Let's see more of Sayid, Hurley, Libby, Eko, Rose and Bernard! Heck, let's see more of Danielle and Desmond! And can we PLEASE see how Locke got in that blasted wheelchair for crying out loud!!

Okay. Done. Carry on.

Jack is a great character who has done a tremendous amount for all the islanders. His heart is in the right place and he has shown himself to be giving and strong. He is not perfect but last time I checked no one on the island is. Bashing a character is so ridiculous especially a main character who may not crack jokes every time he speaks or use cute nick names (and by the way I like Sawyer) but is a great character with lots of layers and an amazing ability to care for everyone on that island. The show has a great cast with wonderful characters who each have their good and bad. I happen to think all the good in Jack out weighs the bad. So sad when the fandom gets mean spirited.

With all due respect, I think it's a bit unfair to say that Jack is being a baby. Yes, he maybe could have handled the situation differently, but ultimately, if you had been stuck on an island for nearly 50 days after a plane crash with a weird monster thing and 'The Others', you'd be a little grouchy too. :)

I think the way Jack is acting is just due to him feeling totally overwhelmed by everything at the moment - the need he feels to fix every situation, just because that's the kind of person he is and he thinks he's failing in that. He's being really hard on himself, which sometimes comes across as moodiness. And I think he was just being protective of Kate by telling her she couldn't come, because at the moment, he is having problems dealing with his feelings for her in any other way.

With regard to him letting Zeke count to two, I think it was the shock of seeing Kate there with a gun pointed to her neck. I think he was initially shocked and then was trying to figure out how he could regain control of the situation, because he does feel like he needs to be in control. And then suddenly the reality of the fact that the guy was holding a gun to Kate hit and he told him to stop. I don't think it was a 'hmm, to sacrifice Kate or to not' kind of situation. That would be totally out of character for Jack.

I completely agree with Bansh and ann.

Jack does the best he can with the skills and knowledge he has in some very unknown or unexperienced situations. Jack is a doctor and has most likely never been put in these kinds of dangerous situations.
In my humble opinion Jack was absolutely right to stand-up to the others, he had to show them that the lostaways were not complete push overs and would protect themselves if they had to. Jack had to show that he was the leader and was prepared to act and protect. By waiting on the count against Kate he had his poker face on (pardon the lack of better words), he didn't want to show a weakness too easily. We all know that he would never have done anything to jepardise her safety, that is precisely the reason why he told her to stay back at the camp. She would have been one less thing that he as a leader would have had to worry about. As much as I love the character of Kate she shouldn't have gone after them, she put the group in more danger and Jack lost his chance to show the others some strength.

Jack is not a baby, he has feelings and gets over-whelmed, its better to let it out than bottle it up. He does what has to be done and he really does care about his group and wants to keep them safe, you can't fault his dedication. He really has tried his best to take care of the losties and try and give them some normality.

Anywho, I'm going to stand out from the crowd, however, and say what a passive-aggressive, controlling baby Kate was. Sure, Jack treated her like a child. Doesn't mean she had to act like one. There could've been some discussion as to Jack's reasoning. Oh wait. I forgot. No one discusses anything on this show. At least not Jack. But for Kate to stubbornly follow them. Why? Why. Why does she always have to be in on everything. Why did SHE want to carry the dynamite? Why. If you ask me, they deserve each other.




Thank you. I keep hearing "Who is Jack to tell her what she can and cannot do.' Which is fair.

But then who is she that she has to jump in the middle of every situation? Couldn't she just ..I don't know..stay home for once?

You would have dropped your gun on the first command. Jack wasn't given up no matter what(well except to save Kate). Jack is the man. Train an army Jack and mess those hillbilly's up.

I apologize if it sounded like I was focusing on negativity. (okay, it really did sound that way) The point I was trying to make is, that for a show to work, (or a movie or even a book, for that matter) you have to care about the characters. Not necessarily care FOR them. But care ABOUT them. You can despise a character, but still want to see what happens to them. And the ones I named I've found I'm starting to not care about. It's starting to not matter to me one way or another what they do any more. But so far, the show is still working because there are characters I care about. I just wish we'd see more of those characters in the mix more often.

I'm going to have to say that it is very unfair to criticize so badly the one character that really does have everyones best interests at heart. He's human and he's not perfect. Cut him some slack. He was by no means comtemplating letting Kate die. The reason he didnt want her to come was because he wanted her safe because he cares about her. He wasn't treating her like a child or thinking she was incapable. He cares about her, and when you care about someone that much their safety is all the more important.

So seeing her with a gun to her head REALLY threw him for a loop. He couldnt handle it, he couldnt even look at her. He completely shut down and had to detach from the situation. And I also think its important to mention that neither Locke nor Sawyer made any attempts to drop their weapons.

So personally I think Jack handled the situation in the best way he could at the time. It's also important to remember just how much stress Jack is under. He lost his wife, his father just died, he has to be leader and doctor, both of which are 24 hour jobs. And then add to the mix how much he cares about the people on this island and keeping them all safe.....a baby would have given up a long time ago. Jack is still trying. He is not the perfect leader or perfect man, but he's trying to do the best he can. Its such a shame that his character gets bashed when he's easily the one under the most stress most days.

I think it would have been acting like a baby if he threw in the towel as soon as the guy threatened Kate. That would have been weak. He at least gave it a few moments, most likely spent thinking if there was any other possible way to get out of the situation. Maybe he was even waiting for Locke or Sawyer to say something, but they just stood there. The people who don't understand why Jack is the leader need to realize that sometimes he's the only one willing to step up.
They all should have been asking questions as soon as the guy showed himself. And "Where is Walt?" wouldn't have been my first question. It was a wasted opportunity.
Oh, the frustration.

Ok, I agree that Jack has done more good for the team then bad, heck, he's saved almost everyone's life at least one time. But I just think he's being a bit of a hypocrite. He was so concerned with the safety of Michael, not letting them go back when they knew it was a lost cause, being really concerned about how HE would have to carry the responsibility. But you're forgetting why his wife left him, "he always will need something to fix". He wouldn't let Michael go, at a certain point he cannot decide what is the best course of action for Michael to do. Sure, he would loose a great person and help, but no one would blame him for Michael's choice. (plus if he turned back early, Kate wouldn't've been placed in that situation.) But the minute he saw Kate, he hesitated, he let Zeke count to TWO. Personally, if my "leader" had to think about what to do when my life was on the line, I wouldn't see him as much of a leader.

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I think Jack had more than Kate's safety on his plate at that moment. Essentially, Zeke was telling them to give up their guns which were their only form of protection. They had already shot at Sawyer and he had no guarantee of anyone's safety if they handed the guns over. While I'm sure there were some feelings of jealousy, anger and confusion for Jack in regards to Kate at his core he's a fixer. He went out initially to find Michael only to have the immediate situation change rapidly. He had to reevaluate things on the fly and ultimately made a wise choice. Kate put herself in that perilous situation even though Jack obviously put part of the blame on himself. If he had let her come along with the hunting party she wouldn't have been nabbed by the Others.

I think the hesitation on Jack's part was just the sheer shock of seeing her there and for all he knew as soon as they laid down their guns..the others might have opened fire.

Even if Kate had come along how do we know she wouldn't have been 'nabbed' by the others? We saw how they took Cindy..right there with other people around.

I do know she wouldn't have been nabbed if she had just stayed home for once.

Jack is not John Wayne. He is a city doctor in a situation that his life had in no way prepared him to deal with. He is trying. The group put him in charge and he reluctantly accepted. He has been doing what he thinks is right and taking a lot of flak from most of them when it doesn't turn out the way they want. It can really stink to be in charge. Everything is your fault.

Like most of them, Jack is walking on a razors edge, holding the group together while trying to hold himself together at the same time. Anyone think it's easy should try camping with next to no supplies in the woods for a week. I'm betting even with the knowledge that you could get back to civilization with ease, you would feel the strain in a short time.

I don't envy Jack his situation.

Hmm...I'm on the fence. I have to say that this opinion comes from someone who hasnt really cared for Jack since the season began, but I'll say it anyway.

I dont think he was being a "baby" necessarily. One part of me wants to say that he was being jerkish when he told her so harshly to stay behind, but the other more rashional part says that he was doing what was best for her safety. Granted. But as for the whole Sawyer/Kate thing and how he was reacting to it, most of me says that he's being kind of a coward. I know that word may be a little harsh, but that's what I think.
So he listens to Sawyer mumbling various things as he's delirious with fever and whatnot, and hears him say,"I love her." First, maybe Sawyer wasn't talking about Kate. Did Jack think of that? Hopefully. And I know Jack asked,"You mean Kate?'' to clarify, but you know, maybe Sawyer couldn't hear or something. But anyway, Jack assumes that Sawyer loves Kate. He just kissed her for the first time. Maybe he was thinking that he shouldn't even bother to compete with Sawyer so he'd just push her away. If that's the case, then he was being a baby. Or a coward. Afraid to confront her about her feelings. Or maybe he just needed his space to think about what he feels for her so he's pushing her away...I'm not sure. But if he cares for her, he's not showing it very well. Other than keeping her from being shot, of course. In my opinion, he's been crabby, and he just bugs me in general.
And who ever told him he had to "fix everything"? He should take the island as a chance to get a break from fixing people. I understand that people sometimes expect him to fix them, which I know he cant control, but still. And the last major "doctoring" he had to do was to care for Sawyer. No one's really been getting sick or stabbed by boars and stuff...seems like he's getting a break from that.

But anyway, Jack assumes that Sawyer loves Kate. He just kissed her for the first time. Maybe he was thinking that he shouldn't even bother to compete with Sawyer so he'd just push her away. If that's the case, then he was being a baby. Or a coward. Afraid to confront her about her feelings. Or maybe he just needed his space to think about what he feels for her so he's pushing her away...I'm not sure. But if he cares for her, he's not showing it very well. Other than keeping her from being shot, of course. In my opinion, he's been crabby, and he just bugs me in general.
And who ever told him he had to "fix everything"? He should take the island as a chance to get a break from fixing people. I understand that people sometimes expect him to fix them, which I know he cant control, but still. And the last major "doctoring" he had to do was to care for Sawyer. No one's really been getting sick or stabbed by boars and stuff...seems like he's getting a break from that.
That revises the history of the eps though....Jack was very mature & decent w/Kate & Sawyer in both pills scenes of 23rd/Collision. He brought Sawyer the medication down to the beach & regarded Kate.

I think calling him a coward for wanting to detach himself from pain is a bit of a misnomer. Sawyer snapped at ppl in the beginning when we met him & acted out because he wanted to alienate & punish himself.

I guess I'd be crabby too if I were in his shoes..Constant pressure, remembering how my father died because I failed to bring him home alive, recalling how my marriage fell apart, my basically best friend & his son are missing, your heart has just broken again, then you see the woman of said affections held at gunpoint, & realize the island where 40 ppl who count on you to be responsible for them-are under threat from yet another source. The others say you're on our island yet the blew up the raftees when they tried to leave. Not a group willing to share a toothbrush lol.

Another thing to consider about Jack as someone pntd out-he has conditioned himself to count to 5 in reacting to fear. Zeke took away 2 secs which could have played into him having to get a grip faster than he could.

Jack is not John Wayne. He is a city doctor in a situation that his life had in no way prepared him to deal with. He is trying. The group put him in charge and he reluctantly accepted. He has been doing what he thinks is right and taking a lot of flak from most of them when it doesn't turn out the way they want. It can really stink to be in charge. Everything is your fault.



I agree, Robinhood. Being a leader is never easy, and being a leader on Craphole Island must be especially difficult. As Jack himself said: "Everyone wants me to be leader until I make a decision they don't like." I think that "everyone" here can apply to both the characters on the show and fans in real life. He didn't choose to be the leader, but considering that and considering everything that has happened on the island, I think he's doing a pretty good job. Not perfect, no, he has done things I don't agree with, but he always has the best intentions and is always trying to do what's right for the group.

It just feels like Jack isn't allowed to act like a "normal" person would. Granted, he is a TV character, but the writers do try to make these people act and react like real people would. We all have times where we make the wrong choice, or do something we're not proud of, or just get pissed off at someone. But anytime Jack breaths the wrong way, he's lynched.

I also feel that it was Jack's prerogative to decide who went with him on the search for Micheal. It was his expedition that he was leading and he could take along or leave behind anyone he wanted to. If anyone else had told Kate to stay behind, no one would care, but because Jack did it, it's a big deal.

It just feels like Jack isn't allowed to act like a "normal" person would. Granted, he is a TV character, but the writers do try to make these people act and react like real people would. We all have times where we make the wrong choice, or do something we're not proud of, or just get pissed off at someone. But anytime Jack breaths the wrong way, he's lynched.

I also feel that it was Jack's prerogative to decide who went with him on the search for Micheal. It was his expedition that he was leading and he could take along or leave behind anyone he wanted to. If anyone else had told Kate to stay behind, no one would care, but because Jack did it, it's a big deal.

I agree 100% with you Shep. :) It seems as though Jack gets criticized for telling other people "what they can or cannot do" but like you said, he was the one leading that hike so he had every right to say no to Kate if he didn't want her to go. Granted the execution was harsh but he still had that right to turn her down for the hike. Jack is the leader and he has to say "no or yes" sometimes to keep some sense of order. Without a sense of order (which would be Locke's world lol) people would be free to do whatever they wanted whenever they wanted, which does not bode well for a society. We all have rules and regulations to abide by which we may or may not like.

I agree, Kristatos. Jack nearly let Kate die. It's definitely time for him to relinquish the leader role.

Jack didn't nearly let Kate die. He was the first person to put his gun down ... and not only that, he dropped all of his guns, without risking Kate further by trying to keep one, or by egging Weirdy McBeardy on with the whole "we ain't finished" business.

I think it would have been acting like a baby if he threw in the towel as soon as the guy threatened Kate. That would have been weak. He at least gave it a few moments, most likely spent thinking if there was any other possible way to get out of the situation. Maybe he was even waiting for Locke or Sawyer to say something, but they just stood there. The people who don't understand why Jack is the leader need to realize that sometimes he's the only one willing to step up.
They all should have been asking questions as soon as the guy showed himself. And "Where is Walt?" wouldn't have been my first question. It was a wasted opportunity.
Oh, the frustration.

The people who don't understand why Jack is the leader need to realize that sometimes he's the only one willing to step up.

Very, very well said.

Ok, I agree that Jack has done more good for the team then bad, heck, he's saved almost everyone's life at least one time. But I just think he's being a bit of a hypocrite. He was so concerned with the safety of Michael, not letting them go back when they knew it was a lost cause, being really concerned about how HE would have to carry the responsibility. But you're forgetting why his wife left him, "he always will need something to fix". He wouldn't let Michael go, at a certain point he cannot decide what is the best course of action for Michael to do. Sure, he would loose a great person and help, but no one would blame him for Michael's choice. (plus if he turned back early, Kate wouldn't've been placed in that situation.) But the minute he saw Kate, he hesitated, he let Zeke count to TWO. Personally, if my "leader" had to think about what to do when my life was on the line, I wouldn't see him as much of a leader.

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Of course Jack would feel responsible ... for better or for worse, he feels responsible for every single person there; pulling Sawyer out of harm's way after the shot, risking his life to save Locke from being dragged down into a pit, keeping Hurley from getting blown up, going after Charlie and Claire even after being threatened by Ethan, etc. Jack takes his commitments very seriously, which is no doubt one of the reasons why the other survivors so instinctively trust him with their lives.

And as for his hesitation? Jack was very much aware that it wasn't just Kate who's life was at risk. Kate was being held hostage, but in effect, so were Jack, Locke and Sawyer ... Jack didn't "hesitate" because he was wondering if it was worth it, he was hesitating because he was in disbelief that this was actually happening, and was scrambling to process it all. In other words, he was reacting like a regular human being, not some one dimensional superhero cardboard cutout.

I think Jack handled the situation as best he could. Sure, it was frustrating to wait for him to drop his gun, but that was the tension of the scene and a sense of time slowing while you hope everyone will be ok. Jack's having a bad time the past week or so. He's trying to do right by the group. He never asked for this assignment. I'm not surprised he might be getting a bit loopy finally. Thank goodness old Zeke wasn't yet another acquaintance from Jack's past....

I agree with all the stuff about his control issues and trying to protect everyone.

Thank goodness old Zeke wasn't yet another acquaintance from Jack's past....



OMG! That would have been insane! Thank goodness he wasn't indeed!

Wonder how it would have played out if Jack just up and shot Kate. Ole Weirdy McBeardy would have been flummoxed then! and what a plot twister THAT would have been...

And as for his hesitation? Jack was very much aware that it wasn't just Kate who's life was at risk. Kate was being held hostage, but in effect, so were Jack, Locke and Sawyer ... Jack didn't "hesitate" because he was wondering if it was worth it, he was hesitating because he was in disbelief that this was actually happening, and was scrambling to process it all. In other words, he was reacting like a regular human being, not some one dimensional superhero cardboard cutout.

Okay, I'd like to end this debate. Did Jack hesitate (to the count of two) because he's a baby? Did he hold out because he was processing the situation? I say neither. He held out until the count of two purely for the drama of television. :) Let's be honest. It was certainly more dramatic watching Jack struggle mentally/emotionally until the count of two than it would've been if he had thrown his guns down immediately. We're all biting our nails wondering if he'd (or if Sawyer would) pull a Nick Nolte from 48 hours and just shoot Zeke when no one was expecting it. And let's face it, if he'd dropped the guns immediately, we'd all be debating what a baby he was for giving up so quickly! Ya just can't please everybody.

Wonder how it would have played out if Jack just up and shot Kate. Ole Weirdy McBeardy would have been flummoxed then! and what a plot twister THAT would have been...

Now THAT would've been good television! And it probably would've whipped me right back into caring about Jack's storyline again!

Agreed. Jack is a passive-aggressive, controlling baby. I can't think of one thing he actually did that I liked this episode. Whined at Locke the whole time about the trail and disagreeing with everything he says. Just to disagree it seemed like. Wah, wah, wah. Whatever.

Anywho, I'm going to stand out from the crowd, however, and say what a passive-aggressive, controlling baby Kate was. Sure, Jack treated her like a child. Doesn't mean she had to act like one. There could've been some discussion as to Jack's reasoning. Oh wait. I forgot. No one discusses anything on this show. At least not Jack. But for Kate to stubbornly follow them. Why? Why. Why does she always have to be in on everything. Why did SHE want to carry the dynamite? Why. If you ask me, they deserve each other.

You know, I just realized...I'm getting to the point where I don't care about any of them. Whiny Jack. Stubborn Kate. Pissed off Sawyer. Whiny, stubborn pissed off Michael. Who cares. You can throw Charlie in the mix too. Let's see more of Sayid, Hurley, Libby, Eko, Rose and Bernard! Heck, let's see more of Danielle and Desmond! And can we PLEASE see how Locke got in that blasted wheelchair for crying out loud!!

Okay. Done. Carry on.

Well said! <clap, clap>

Of course, as a side note, you do realize if they start showing the other people, or "non-stars", it would just be so that you can get attached to them before they are killed during Jack's attack on the Others or something even more stupid (i.e. Shannon's death)

Good for jack, he should have made him say 3
I dont get how everyone loves the shii out of kate, and she is truly a bad personn, weve seen what shes done
And analucia always gets a bad rap,the tailies would all probably be dead if it wasnt for her
Kate is just useless
ANA HAS MORE OF A PURPOSE HERE THAN KATE, kate is a murdering whore and goes through more guys than hurley does cake

I think Jack handled the situation as best he could. Sure, it was frustrating to wait for him to drop his gun, but that was the tension of the scene and a sense of time slowing while you hope everyone will be ok. Jack's having a bad time the past week or so. He's trying to do right by the group. He never asked for this assignment. I'm not surprised he might be getting a bit loopy finally. Thank goodness old Zeke wasn't yet another acquaintance from Jack's past....

I agree with all the stuff about his control issues and trying to protect everyone.


IMO It all falls back on not wanting to fail. Jacks words to Locke of being accountable are correct. if you try to survive alone like the french woman, you go nuts. and it doesnt keep the species going. So acceptance by the group, using good or bad behavior - a prepective view, is important. our daily lives are governed by this, fashion, trends, popular. Jack knew the dangers, knew it was risk, but if he knew what michael was doing would get him hurt or worse killed and say "oh well thats his problem" or " who we are to tell someone what to do" he knew that not only would he not be able to handle ignoring it, but others would have been unforgiven in him for not tellling or trying.
Lockes words. who are we to tell someone what to do. But does he really care about the group. He told jack what to do, help me push the button jack.
Jack only did it because he knew how it important it was to him.
In those few seconds of counting, he weight out the results of what would happen.
Yep, he wanted to blast old zeke! those eyes said it all.
Out numbered, out gunned, and the woman you love 10 feet away at gun point.
it only takes a nano second to pull a trigger. make the wrong move, whether it kills several, and you lose the one you love. or worst still to watch her suffer till she dies.
that in its self has to be the most frustraiting thing, knowing what needs to be done, but no tools.
gotta love jack.

Okay, I'd like to end this debate. Did Jack hesitate (to the count of two) because he's a baby? Did he hold out because he was processing the situation? I say neither. He held out until the count of two purely for the drama of television. :) Let's be honest. It was certainly more dramatic watching Jack struggle mentally/emotionally until the count of two than it would've been if he had thrown his guns down immediately. We're all biting our nails wondering if he'd (or if Sawyer would) pull a Nick Nolte from 48 hours and just shoot Zeke when no one was expecting it. And let's face it, if he'd dropped the guns immediately, we'd all be debating what a baby he was for giving up so quickly! Ya just can't please everybody.



Now THAT would've been good television! And it probably would've whipped me right back into caring about Jack's storyline again!

hehehe... me, too. As I said before, someone needs to do a "Lesson 22" (Remo Williams) on Kate. She couldn't be helping the "Others" out anymore if she was on their side.

Honestly, I think when he saw Kate, he was stunned then disgusted with the realization he couldn't bluff or shot his way out of it. Then he had to acknowledge that he was giving up Mike for Kate, not the best realization to have. And...if he's anything like my husband, there was at least a moment when he was thinking, it's no more than she deserves for being such a complete idiot. Hence, he was sorely P.O.'d at her, Mike, Zeke, himself and the world in general.

Then he heard Zeke say, "Two...", snapping him out of it.

Honestly, I think when he saw Kate, he was stunned then disgusted with the realization he couldn't bluff or shot his way out of it. Then he had to acknowledge that he was giving up Mike for Kate, not the best realization to have. And...if he's anything like my husband, there was at least a moment when he was thinking, it's no more than she deserves for being such a complete idiot. Hence, he was sorely P.O.'d at her, Mike, Zeke, himself and the world in general.

Then he heard Zeke say, "Two...", snapping him out of it.

You know, I think that's probably the most accurate interpretation thus far. Besides, of course, the drama of television. ;)

Honestly, I think when he saw Kate, he was stunned then disgusted with the realization he couldn't bluff or shot his way out of it. Then he had to acknowledge that he was giving up Mike for Kate, not the best realization to have. And...if he's anything like my husband, there was at least a moment when he was thinking, it's no more than she deserves for being such a complete idiot. Hence, he was sorely P.O.'d at her, Mike, Zeke, himself and the world in general.
I agree he was coming to a very difficult realization but I can't buy he believed Kate was getting what she deserved. Imo, he was just incensed Zeke was making him choose & was doing this to her.

I also don't think his ignoring her has so much to do with what she did as it does what almost happened to her. He's going in to to war & if he didn't want in her in danger before it makes no sense to keep her close now so she wants to jump right in there with him. I think he''s pushing her away to emotionally detach himself & is focused on what is ahead.

Imo, it isn't being a baby to make this tough choice. I commend him for taking a stand against the psychological warfare the Others are playing let alone what they've already done.. Next week, they take Aaron & in 2x13 mess Sun up very badly trying to abduct her. Imo, that's firing the first shot of the Revolution. Jack did what they wanted & went home.

And as for his hesitation? Jack was very much aware that it wasn't just Kate who's life was at risk. Kate was being held hostage, but in effect, so were Jack, Locke and Sawyer ... Jack didn't "hesitate" because he was wondering if it was worth it, he was hesitating because he was in disbelief that this was actually happening, and was scrambling to process it all. In other words, he was reacting like a regular human being, not some one dimensional superhero cardboard cutout.

What would've happened if Zeke didn't count to three, just decided to shoot Kate at 1 or 2. We know these people aren't honorable or keep their word. Then Jack would've felt even worse. I mean we all know that Kate was going to survive, she's hot female #1, but if this was real, I doubt any of them would be alive.

I thought Aaron was the baby...