I think more than a few of us thought Libby was acting a little off in the hatch scene.
That scene made me feel like she was an other or spy of some sort. First Hurley
Ask if they have met, which leads me to believe she worked at the mental hospital Hurley was in, possibly checking on Lenny. Secondly if she needed someone to pump for information Hurley is perfect, he is known to have a big mouth and obviously has a crush on her. So she snuggles up to him and finds out all she needs to know about what is going on with the rest of the Losties. Or Maybe not, what do you think? Either way I hope Hurley gets some lovin.

Yea I'd say she was way weird in the hatch, but this is my take on it.

She knows Hurly alright. Not as a doctor in the mental ward,but as a paitent. I think everything Libby has said about herslef so far is a lie.

I'm not so certainl that we know the character of Libby enough to say that she was acting "off". I guess I'd be different now too considering that I finally wasn't running through the jungle for my life, even if it's for a brief respite in the hatch doing laundry (on that gorgeous new washer/dryer). She's a bit more relaxed, definitely. I'm anxoius to know how Hurley claims to know her though, and yes, a little lovin' for Hurley would be great, though he has to work on his moves!

The washer and dryer coment didn't bother me. Changing in to a gown she found right there with Hurly in the room was just strange to me. Why?

Libby made the comment that Hurley stepped on her foot as he was getting on the plane. But if she was in the tail section, and Hurley was seated in the fuselage, why would he have walked past her boarding the plane?? She did mention that he was last to board and that he was all sweaty (how else would she know that?) .... But why was she sitting closer to the front of the plane when Hurley was boarding?

Libby made the comment that Hurley stepped on her foot as he was getting on the plane. But if she was in the tail section, and Hurley was seated in the fuselage, why would he have walked past her boarding the plane?? She did mention that he was last to board and that he was all sweaty (how else would she know that?) .... But why was she sitting closer to the front of the plane when Hurley was boarding?

This is definitely being discussed in other threads. Check out http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=34561

I don't think she said he stepped on her foot as he was getting to his seat ,while getting on the plane ....I think she just said he stepped on her foot while on the plane..he could have been making a bathroom run and stepped on her foot

You're right about not really knowing libby but she did act a little strange. Once Hurley mentioned that he sort of recoginized her she quickly changed the subject and then made the comment about on the plane and stepping on her foot. I took that as she needed a couple of seconds to think of something especially with hurley's back turned so he couldn't see her expression on her face......

I'm not so certainl that we know the character of Libby enough to say that she was acting "off". I guess I'd be different now too considering that I finally wasn't running through the jungle for my life, even if it's for a brief respite in the hatch doing laundry (on that gorgeous new washer/dryer). She's a bit more relaxed, definitely. I'm anxoius to know how Hurley claims to know her though, and yes, a little lovin' for Hurley would be great, though he has to work on his moves!

Libby made the comment that Hurley stepped on her foot as he was getting on the plane. But if she was in the tail section, and Hurley was seated in the fuselage, why would he have walked past her boarding the plane?? She did mention that he was last to board and that he was all sweaty (how else would she know that?) .... But why was she sitting closer to the front of the plane when Hurley was boarding?

I’m thinking that the foot stepping part is the lie. She just was changing the subject. She probably noted Hurley getting on last since they stopped the departure to let him aboard. I just can’t see that fact coming up in conversation.


Libby: “so Kate (or Sun or Clare), what can you tell me about Hurley?”
Kate (or Sun or Clare): “Well, he got on the plane last and he was all sweaty”

Lol, that just doesn’t work for me.


Though I know it’s possible that any plant or mole could have been on the plane, I find it difficult to believe that anyone working for Dharma would be willing to risk their lives by being on the plane they know is going to crash. I’d rather just do what Goodwin did and wait for it on the beach. So at this point, with Libby at least showing she was on the plane by knowing Hurley got on last, I won’t believe she’s a mole just yet. Or anyone else proven to be on the flight.

lol, good point....

I don't think it's more of a mole risking there life on a plane crash, more of just being captured in the jungle and threatened to give them more info or they will kill people... or the children perhaps......

she was pretty attached to the kids.........

I’m thinking that the foot stepping part is the lie. She just was changing the subject. She probably noted Hurley getting on last since they stopped the departure to let him aboard. I just can’t see that fact coming up in conversation.


Libby: “so Kate (or Sun or Clare), what can you tell me about Hurley?”
Kate (or Sun or Clare): “Well, he got on the plane last and he was all sweaty”

Lol, that just doesn’t work for me.


Though I know it’s possible that any plant or mole could have been on the plane, I find it difficult to believe that anyone working for Dharma would be willing to risk their lives by being on the plane they know is going to crash. I’d rather just do what Goodwin did and wait for it on the beach. So at this point, with Libby at least showing she was on the plane by knowing Hurley got on last, I won’t believe she’s a mole just yet. Or anyone else proven to be on the flight.

I think Libby just made up the story of him stepping on her as a diversion. She probably does know him from the psych ward or something like that. Maybe she was a patient herself and is some sort of pathological liar. I think going through lots of therapy you may pick up what the doctors are trying to do.

My thoughts are that she was also in the psych ward too as a patient and she was trying to convince Hurley that the only place he recognizes her is from the plane. She probably figures if he just settles for the incident on the plane as being where he recognizes her, he wont rack his brain thinking of where else he knows her and eventually figure out that she was a patient in a psych ward! We need a Libby flashback. That is why she told the story of the stepping on the toe. Even if it didnt really happen, she could have observed Hurley's entrance from the back of the plane and that is how she knew about his late arrival, being all sweaty, and wearing headphones.

You have to admit though, the washer and dryer comment was pretty funny. If you were on these boards during that whole "analysis of the hatch" thing after s02e01 aired, you were subject to like 7 threads about the washing machines being new.

You have to admit though, the washer and dryer comment was pretty funny. If you were on these boards during that whole "analysis of the hatch" thing after s02e01 aired, you were subject to like 7 threads about the washing machines being new.

Exactly! It isn't as if the brand new, front loading washer/dryer isn't significant in that it's new, and juxtaposed with Geronimo Jackson records and lava lamps, but we would have started a washer/dryer thread that went on ad nauseum (it probably will anyway!).

The entire exchange between Libby and Hurley was extremely unsettling for some subtle reason. She was blantantly flirting with him(hell, she was PLAYING HIM)-and there are plenty of other guys on the Island that someone who has been just thru hell would rather latch onto, just for protection, instead of someone who couldn't run 50 ft. The posters who mentioned a calculating look on Libby's face, remind me of the EXTREMELY calculating and downright creepy evil face Libby made (that noone else but the TV audience could see) right after she told Sawyer his bullet wound was bad but not that bad. This is getting to be so hard to keep up with-there are very good arguments that either Libby, Claire, or Kate are either moles, spies, or manchurian candidates for the others.

I had to laugh when Hurley said "Don't I know you" - I thought "Is that the lamest pick up line or what?". But then I started thinking - why does he know her and her quick response about the foot wasn't even believable. I mean really - would you be flirting with the large man who had crushed your foot - think of the larger scale ramifications of making love. I'm interested to see if she was a patient or a nurse at the psych ward. Or maybe even was a reporter tracking his lottery winnings or worked at one of his companies - like Locke did. There's alot of possibilities of where they could have crossed paths.

Maybe Hurley is the connecting link with all these folks. We know Locke worked for his company, we seen the crossing with the Jin backstory, I'm guessing Libby is just another link.

Libby appeared to be almost "hiding" behind her hair in the laundry scene with Hurley and since joining the original losties. Why does she wear her hair down now? Could she fear being recognized?

I'm re-posting something that I wrote on another thread last night, but I really think there may be something to it. Let me know if any of you agree/disagree! There were several things earlier in the season that seemed to suggest that Libby could have been one of the 'Others'. I was really convinced for a while, but if the writers were going in that direction they appear to have abandoned the idea, or at least quit hinting at it. Bear with me here:

1) when the others take walt in episode 2 (adrift), a blonde woman is in the boat's cabin and throws a gas lamp or something, that's what blows up the raft. we can't see her face, but it appears to be a woman.

2) in Abandoned, where shannon gets shot, the tailies are making their way to the losties camp. there is sort of a ravine, and libby is in front of cindy as they make their way up. in one shot, cindy has a backpack on, and she is behind libby. in the next shot, libby picks up cindy's backpack (which apparently had been set down in the meantime) and makes her way up the ravine. did she forget about cindy? ana lucia is the only one who even notices she is gone. it just seems funny and neglectful of the show, if it does just mean nothing - this is uncharacteristic, this sort of thing usually means something.

3) finally, we never actually see who shot sawyer in episode 2. he seems to think it was 'zeke' cause he said so in the last episode, but we don't know for sure. then, in Abandoned, in the same scene where we find out that Libby is a psychologist, she asks him how he got shot. Nothing much except as they are getting up to keep moving, the camera lingers on her face a little more than it needed to, and she definitely has a creepy, there's-something-more-than-what-we're-seeing look. it was subtle, but also begs the question, why would the director choose to leave such a weird, suspicious look in there if there are so many scenes and takes that don't make it into the final episode.

anyway, now we can probably assume that libby was in fact on the plane (her description of hurley being the last on, sweaty, etc). it does sound like she tries to divert his question of where he knew her from, but her being on the plane doesn't necessarily discredit the whole theory about the 'others'. we don't know what the others are doing on the island and what their purpose is, if any. we know she is a psychologist. sort of fits, right? AND, the writers have hinted that by the end of the seasonwe will learn that there was a specific reason why the plane crashed, so who knows, maybe someone meant for it to crash?
ie, libby's presence on the island might not be as 'accidental' as that of the rest of the survivors.... but then again, isn't everyone on the island for a reason?? :smile:

Libby could be a "gold digger" that has been stalking Hurley for his lottery winnings. That's why Hurley recognizes her and why she made up the story about stepping on her toes. That would also explain why she is flirting with him. Just a thought.

She definately smacks of mental patient not Dr. to me. The foot crunching line did seem like a quick cover story to avoid recognition. The most interesting thing that happened on the show was seeing a new washer dryer set. If Libby was a plant would she point out or be surprised by something like that? Why no questions about the newness of appliances?

Maybe Hurley knows her from the whole lottery thing. Maybe she's a con artist following him to Austrailia to get her hands on the cash. Who knows what these brilliant writers will come up with.

Didn't libby mention once that she was a Psychologist? Seems to me that the most likliest of disguises for someone that spent a great deal of time in a mental institution would be as a Psychologist.

Exaccctlyyyy, I agree with the above post. I went into something akin to this in another thread (http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=34561&page=3) which I'll repost here:

Okay, just throwing in my two cents here... since the beginning, I've thought that there's NO way that Libby could be a psychologist- I'm in the process of becoming one myself and she totally doesn't act like one. If anybody is familar with psychologists at all, they know that the majority of them are constantly analyzing situations and people's behaviors, and there's no way the writers wouldn't have taken advantage of this to spice up the show. So far, Libby has seemed rather... dumb, maybe? She's hasn't really attempted to talk to anyone that much, as far as we've seen. She hasn't volunteered any insights as to people's crazy behavior (Ann-Lucia, Charlie, etc, everybody!) which is completely non-psychologist behavior. At first, I gave her the benefit of the doubt, because she was just introduced as a new character- but her behavior as of late is very, very suspicious. First of all... her apparent flirtation with Hurley- sorry, I love Hurley as much as anyone, but the chances that she'd become attracted to him right off the bat without getting to know him (i.e. attracted to him solely on his physical apperance) isn't very believeable. Secondly, her little mind games in the laundry room, and her seeming familar to Hurley when his subconscious memory kicks in. She was clearly trying to distract him from recognizing her, what with her sudden explosion of sexual flirtation (ripping off her clothes and changing into a sexy tank top right behind him?!?) and her quick little story about him stepping on her foot. Okay, so with all that in mind, here's my theory- she definitaly knows Hurley from before the plane crash. By her claiming she's a psychologist, and Hurley's odd behavior when his mind is telling her that she's familar somehow, I'm thinking that she more than likely was in the psych ward with him at the same time as a fellow patient. I'm thinking that she was probably FOLLOWING him for some reason... perhaps because of his newfound multi-million dollar status or some sort of nutty attachment to him in the psych ward. This would explain how she can physically describe his appearance when he was boarding the plane- if she was stalking him, I'm sure she was watching him on the plane. Her story about the foot-stepping incident was more than likely created to give him an excuse for her appearing familar, so that he would be less likely to remember where he REALLY knows her from.

Then, again, sure, she could be one of the others.. and a real 'psychologist' who isn't volunteering information on the situation because the whole durn thing is one huge psychology experiment to assess tormented, guilt-ladden people's reactions in stressful situations (remember the Dharma group had a bunch of psychs)! That'd explain them removing the little kids and the "good" people- the former would be a compromise of their ethnical treatment of people (not that this whole situation would be ethnical at all), and the "good" people would need to be in their own seperate control group! Yeah! Nice!

Libby made the comment that Hurley stepped on her foot as he was getting on the plane. But if she was in the tail section, and Hurley was seated in the fuselage, why would he have walked past her boarding the plane?? She did mention that he was last to board and that he was all sweaty (how else would she know that?) .... But why was she sitting closer to the front of the plane when Hurley was boarding?

It could be the same reason that Bernard was in the back; she was in the bathroom. Perhaps her "seat" was in the front/middle, but for some reason she was in the back. As someone else mentioned, we havent really seen enough of Libby to suspect anything out of the ordinary.

Has anyone had the chance to go through the plane sequences to see if she is there?

Guss I'm going to have to postpone the yardwork again and re-watch all of the episodes again :rolleyes:

As pointed out by someone else on another thread, when Hurley came on to the plane he did not put on his headphones until after he sat down.

A lie or just a bad memory?

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Well when Libby was cast and a brief detail about her was give, we were told she was a compulsive liar. So I am not sure we can believe anything she says.

I do hope good Ole Hurley gets some loving. Even is Libby is a pscho/other/doctor/gold digger.

I think Libby has acted like a psychologist. When she was setting that guy's broken leg, she used a great distraction method to keep the guy focused on her and not the injury. When she told Sawyer that his wound wasn't that bad, it was for the purpose of not getting Sawyer worried so he would think positively. Would you have preferred her to say "it's really bad and you're gonna die?" The look on her face after she said it was a sign that she knew that the wound was in fact very bad. I agree that Hurley knows her from the psych ward and that is why she is acting strangely - not because she is a mole.

Yea I'd say she was way weird in the hatch, but this is my take on it.

She knows Hurly alright. Not as a doctor in the mental ward,but as a paitent. I think everything Libby has said about herslef so far is a lie.

I with you on that idea. They TPTB made it so very obvious to us fans that she is up to something.

Well when Libby was cast and a brief detail about her was give, we were told she was a compulsive liar. So I am not sure we can believe anything she says.

I do hope good Ole Hurley gets some loving. Even is Libby is a pscho/other/doctor/gold digger.

yes yes....ah yes I'm a pshychologist, yea, that's the ticket. :biggrin:


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Makes good sense to me, she's a pathological liar and probably spent time in the ward with Hurley. I don't think she's one of the Others.

Paige3 said- Maybe Hurley knows her from the whole lottery thing. Maybe she's a con artist following him to Austrailia to get her hands on the cash. Who knows what these brilliant writers will come up with.

Considering how many criminals, murderers, con artists and manipulators ended up on flight 815, that is not a huge stretch in the least.

She definately smacks of mental patient not Dr. to me. The foot crunching line did seem like a quick cover story to avoid recognition. The most interesting thing that happened on the show was seeing a new washer dryer set. If Libby was a plant would she point out or be surprised by something like that? Why no questions about the newness of appliances?

Maybe Hurley knows her from the whole lottery thing. Maybe she's a con artist following him to Austrailia to get her hands on the cash. Who knows what these brilliant writers will come up with.

paige3 those are all very interesting and likely scenarios that could pan out thru the story line on Libby's character. She definitely smacks of patient not Dr. and she sound like she could be (and has been discussed at various time that she


ia a pathological liar


which sounds like that would be one part of her story and could wind her up in a mental institution. Coning and conniving to the point of really needing something that a pill couldn't fix.

That's pretty cool idea too that she was/is a gold digger in that she would follow him anywhere and con him into marriage and so forth. Not to be mean, at all, but Hurley isn't exactly "a catch" if you will. So here she is on this island and out of all the good looking men, a doctor, a hunter, and lets not forget about Sawyer the hunk that he is, so she starts to flirt with Hurley? Sure, I know, stranger things have happened and he's a sweetheart either way. This scenario would have to be the case because she hasn't been around Charlie long enough to know about Hurley's millions.

As for her being a spy sent in from one of The Others tribes, I say why not. First of all no one, that we are aware of, has made mention of the washer and dryer being "newer". Rose just said she prefers the fresh air & sunshine for drying her clothes. Those just happen to be one of the most expensive and newest that came out about a year or so ago. If she has been on the island, anything would be new to her. So far we've had men infiltrating the camps, so who would suspect a women? Unless she had better specifics than her lame story about her foot being stepped on, well that's not good enough. Well it's lame and TPTB knows we know it's lame so it's almost too obvious.

Maybe she just has a fat guy fetish. Lot's of women do.

Maybe she just has a fat guy fetish. Lot's of women do.


Where are all these women at??? I've put on 20 pounds since college, I'll take any advantage I can get.

Well after I saw Fire + Water I decided to see if Libby was lieing to hurly. In her conversation with him in the Hatch she tells him

"I can not believe you dont remember stepping on my foot, and it was hard. I remember you because you were the last one on the plane, and you were all sweaty and wearing your headphones."

Now it's not verbatim (I will update when I can get the transcript) but it close.

Anyways I decided to rewatch Exodus Part 2 because it shows Hurly getting on the plane. In the scene Hurly walks in looks around, givees the thumbs up to Walt then sits down in his seat and puts on his headphones.

In the scene it does NOT show him stepping on someones foot (or even showing anyone haveing some type of reacton like he had) and Hurly isn't wearing his headphones (he puts them on when he sits down.)

Now I dont believe this is just a writing mistake for a few reasons. During the scene Libby seems very gittery when she's telling Hurly the story, and glances up at him to see how he's reacting to it (signs of lieing.) Now I know this could just be a writtin mistake but it would be a pretty bad mistake for the writers to make. If they are going to include a new character why would they have her tell a story that doesnt match what they've shown. Also don't forget that Libby was in the tail section of the plane.

Just my thoughts, tell me what you think!

Sometimes I don't get this show. Wouldn't the front end survivors check the manifest to see if all of the tail end survivors are who they say they are? Wouldn't they be careful after Ethan infiltrated them? It drives me crazy that NO ONE checks the list of passengers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:confus ed:

I'm thinking Libby recognized him on the plane, from when they were both
at the hospital, knew he won the lotto and is wondering how she can hook
up$$$ with him. Then the crash on the Island, she joins the camp and
sees him, and decides to make friendly. If so, maybe she will actually
dig him and it will be a true love connection.

How about this theory:

Libby truly is/was a doctor in the psych ward Hurley was in and that's where he knows her from. But he wasn't HER patient but somebody else's and that's why she only seems vaguely familiar to him. On the plane, her original seat was somewhere closer to the front where Hurley could've easily stepped on her foot (not necessarily while boarding, could've been later) when going to the loo, and from where she could easily see him boarding the plane, which is why she knows he was the last one and all sweaty. Upon noticing him, she thought, "Hey, cute guy!" and kept glancing at him every once in a while during the flight and that's how she noticed his headphones (Remember that Libby probably hasn't seen x reruns of "Exodus" and so might easily confuse if he already had the headphones on while boarding or not.) Then, shortly before the crash, she went to the tail end for whatever reason (maybe also the loo). Now on the island, when the tailies came to the Fusies' camp, she was happy to see her cute guy had also survived, but then she suddenly remembered that he had been a patient at her workplace. But maybe she just thought (along the lines of Locke) "That Hurley guy is just too cute. Everybody gets a new life here so why shouldn't I?" and discarded her professional principles about not having intimate relationships with patients. Then, when the two were having their little conversation while doing the laundry and he suddenly began to remember her, she was in danger of his memory of her being a doc at his ward getting in the way of her amorous motives towards him and that's why she quickly changed the subject, maybe even inserted a little white lie (I'm refering to the foot stepping incident here) and was a little nervous doing so because she sensed he was interested in her and didn`t want her chances ruined (because I think for Hurley there could be quite a reasonable difference between telling Jack he was in a psych ward and having somebody on the island who might have looked through his patient file once or twice). And to divert him a little more, she then quickly pulled a little trick on the suggestive side - changing her top.

Isn't that plausible? As you can see, I'm desperately trying to make this work because I REALLY want to see Hurley and Libby together! C'mon, he deserves it! :smile:

And for all I know, I don't see why a psychiatrist couldn't at the same time be a pathological liar... But then I have quite limited knowledge of these things.

We have all these theories about how she COULDN'T have been near Hurley on the plane, but there are multiple situations in which she could've been. She could've went up front to store a bag she didn't have room for, go to the only open bathroom on the flight before it took off. Gone to make out with the pilot, whatever. Plus when she said that thing about his headphones, I took it to be that she saw that he was wearing headphones, not listening to them. Plus, the sweat stain that Hurley had on his shirt, with the mixture of him stopping the plane probably cause a bit of a ruckus, causing stares from everyone on the plane.