What is with everyone loving Charlie?!?! I don't get the obsession of all of his fangirls. Charlie this, Charlie that!! Dominic is a fine actor and was solid in LotR series, but I can't stand his character on Lost.

He is annoying, needy, suffers from Illusions of Grandeur, is a druggy who passes blame off to his brother, and follows any pretty girl around like a puppy dog. I guess a lot of you women like that, but I can't stand him. I hope the monster eats him.

Nothing against Dominic personally, but I really can't stand his character.

So why, why do you love Charlie so much more then Jack, Sayid, Michael, Sawyer, Hurley, Jin, Locke and whoever else is a guy on the show?

follows any pretty girl around like a puppy dog


Haha that's actually true methinks... ;D and that's what I don't like about him either. But for one thing I think that apart from Sawyer, he's got the best lines. *nods*

Follow a pretty girl around like a puppy dog? Oh no..no healthy red blooded guy would EVER do that.. :laugh:

No wrath from me. I can understand why some guys can't understand it.

First off I was a HUGE LoTR fan and the reason Dom is my fave actor on this show is a carry over from that...I have always liked him and I think he is doing a great job with Charlie. That's why I like him better although I like the other actors a lot as well.

His character has already grown quite a bit from what he was in the begining. I think he has stopped blaming his brother, will probably will take respoonsiblity for his actions very soon (I wouldn't be suprirsed in the island via Locke didn't put him through a 12 step program. :laugh:) Since the 'Moth' episode he has rarely ever referred to his band and has given up his need to be recognized. He has reached out to others and I for one applaud Charlie for taking an interest in a pregnant girl. There are a lot of guys out there who don't want a girl with 'baggage' and for him to do so is rather caring act. That gives him a lot of brownie points!

I would agree with you about Charlie pre-The Moth. After 'The Moth I think he has grown up..a lot.

Now as to why the young girls like Charlie. I used to be a young girl and I remember what it was like...

He's not handsome in the traditional sense like Jack. Sawyer and Boone but he's still so dang cute!

He is also non threatening. A lot of young girls just aren't ready to have grown up romances with grown up men like Jack or Sawyer. They might think them good looking but deep down some of them think an older guy might take advantage of them or something. Charlie is safe. They probably feel that he won't hurt them or take advantage of them in any way but treat them the way he treats Claire. With respect, charm and sweetness and he is funny.. That's really all they need at this stage in their life.

Now some of them will post and tell me I'm completely WRONG about all that. But that's why I think they like him so much.

I just ... agree with you. ALTHOUGH ... yes he's not referring to his band anymore but he's still a goofball ;)

I just ... agree with you. ALTHOUGH ... yes he's not referring to his band anymore but he's still a goofball ;)


Yes...and he's a cute goofball. i was just shooting in the dark there...I hope some of his more rabid fans come on this thread and explain themselves without all the "But he's so HOT" comments... :laugh: (not that there is anything WRONG with that. )

Well I don't know if I'm a rabit fan but... I like him, because he's got the best lines next to Sawyer (I already said that ;) ), and he's an interesting character because he's not only suffering mentally from the whole 'being cast -away' thing but also physically. I think that though the goofball thing may be on top, there's actually many layers to Charlie. The only thing that bothers me a bit is how he almost 'forces' himself on Claire but then again he might only be very protective *lol*

And yes, for the record... I'm not a little girl fancying him because he's non-threatening... *lol* believe me, i DO like Sawyer and Jack, too ;)

Follow a pretty girl around like a puppy dog? Oh no..no healthy red blooded guy would EVER do that.. :laugh:

No wrath from me. I can understand why some guys can't understand it.

First off I was a HUGE LoTR fan and the reason Dom is my fave actor on this show is a carry over from that...I have always liked him and I think he is doing a great job with Charlie.* That's why I like him better although I like the other actors a lot as well.

His character has already grown quite a bit from what he was in the begining. I think he has stopped blaming his brother, will probably will take respoonsiblity for his actions very soon (I wouldn't be suprirsed in the island via Locke didn't put him through a 12 step program. :laugh:) Since the 'Moth' episode he has rarely ever referred to his band and has given up his need to be recognized.* He has reached out to others and I for one applaud Charlie for taking an interest in a pregnant girl. There are a lot of guys out there who don't want a girl with 'baggage' and for him to do so is rather caring act. That gives him a lot of brownie points!

I would agree with you about Charlie pre-The Moth. After 'The Moth I think he has grown up..a lot.

Now as to why the young girls like Charlie. I used to be a young girl and I remember what it was like...

He's not handsome in the traditional sense like Jack. Sawyer and Boone but he's still so dang cute!*

He is also non threatening. A lot of young girls just aren't ready to have grown up romances with grown up men like Jack or Sawyer. They might think them good looking but deep down some of them think an older guy might take advantage of them or something. Charlie is safe.* *They probably feel that he won't hurt them or take advantage of them in any way but treat them the way he treats Claire. With respect, charm and sweetness and he is funny.. That's really all they need at this stage in their life.

Now some of them will post and tell me I'm completely WRONG about all that. But that's why I think they like him so much.




I love love love Charlie. What you've said pretty much sums it up IMO. He's like the goofy little boy you might have been best friends with when you were younger. Well, that's what I've been through...

Charlie has a big sweet side to him, with the peanut butter and the 'You don't scare me' line. He definately was an extremely selfish addict, took it hard when he didn't have groupies throwing themselves at him and no one cared that he was once famous. I'm liking him more and more as he is getting away from that.

Charlie is walking the line between life and death so closely. The idea of rebirth and resurrection keeps coming up again and again for him, and it's got me on the edge of my seat because I feel like he's fighting such an uphill battle. He is very raw emotionally and has a lot of innocence to him, in spite of all he's been through. Plus he is an artist and as an artist, I like the way this is portrayed.

:)

xx
Mella

For me, the thing about Charlie is that he sort of snuck his way into my adoration.

Early on I thought he was cute and funny (I even said to myself 'You know what, that guy playing Charlie would make a good Hobbit'...I'd only seen the first LOTR at that point so don't laugh at me too hard! :P).

But then ATBCHDI came around I found myself crying at the thought that he was dead and just suddenly realizing how important he was.

So, for me, besides the fact that Dom is just so adorable, Charlie managed to work his magic on me while I was completely oblivious to it. That's why I love this show and why I love Charlie.

Jack's my #1 guy, but Charlie will always one of the Lostaways that I know I can't live without.

I like Charlie. I would probably like him even if I didn't kno who Dominic Monaghan was or anything. Poor guy gets hooked on drugs BECAUSE of his brother. I think he's a follower....he wanted to be just like his brother, with all the girls + drugs. Some example his brother set..

I feel bad for him.. The one person he really cared for is gone, + he's going thru heroin withdrawl, not to mention he was in a plane crash!! Everything is happening to him at once....poor guy!

No wrath from me, I can see where you're coming from

Charlie is funny (like Willow said he gets a lot of good oneliners), he's sweet and caring (with the whole Claire situation) and after The Moth he seems much more comfortable with himself, he's trying less to force himself on everyone. And I love the friendship with him and Jack. And he's goofy, I love goofy!

In Charlie I can see a lot of one of my best friends, so that probably goes someway to explaining the love i've got for him. And then there's Dom.

"and follows any pretty girl around like a puppy dog"

he doesn't follow every pretty girl around if he did he would be going around blue eyed blonde non pregnant Shannon and Kate.
i used to think a guy was shallow if he just like blue eyed blonde but what i now think shallow is, is guys liking only skinny girls and i don't know if you know but women can gain up to 40 pounds when pregnant *and if Charlie can look past that the he is a gr8 guy in my book.

"why do you love Charlie so much more then Jack, Sayid, Michael, Sawyer, Hurley, Jin, Locke and whoever else is a guy on the show?"

Sawyer is a jerk who would have sex with five different women in one night.
Michael seems like the kind of guy that if someone more pretty came along he would dump you and go with them.
Jin is a domineering husband who would slap his wife for going with friends to dinner.
Jack would be the guy who would hold a grudge if you had one secret from him and a stupid secret like what your true hair color is.
Locke would try to diagnose you.
Sayid is too much on war I want a guy who is neutral to war someone who thinks there is no bad and good side.
Hurley he is a g8 guy funny (which is most improtant)who would bring you home flowers and bring you breakfast in bed but he also seems like the kind of guy who would get mad easily.
But Charlie is smart funny and deep you could have a 3 hour conversation about love and art and music and him not get bored.And he could be funny too he seems like someone who would love you a lot and he also felt sorry for doing in with 2 girls on one night that's why he don't that preacher guy he's almost as perfect as Dom himself.

Charlie's sincerity is endearing. With the fish and the peanut butter, the boy's just full of pure intentions. You could sit next to him 'round the campfire and not have to worry about buttoning up your blouse or checking your pockets or bracing yourself for some smartass comment. He likes the Beatles and wears a hoody. It's the little things that won over my affection.

@mellawyrden : I completely agree with you. Especially his whole innocence-thing... I can't wait to see how this character will develop because there's so much potential to it.

I agree with a lot of what's been said. The 'young girl fixating on non-threatening guy' isn't the case with me (Sawyer and Sayid are at the top of the 'favorites' list as well) but I can definitely see the merit in that. As far as character potential goes... at first, it's easy to either be completely annoyed by Charlie. That, or to sorry for him and everything he's dealing with. Whatever the first impression, you really wonder how long it's going to take him to get it together--to shoulder some of the blame for his addiction and get over his lack-of-rockstar-treatment, especially. The fact that he's been so needy is also probably attractive to some girls: wanting to take care of him and all that. (It's also interesting to see the connection between Charlie and Dom: it's fairly common knowledge amongst Monaphiles that after Rings came out, Dom did the 'struggling actor in LA without a car and a phone' for a year, which must have been a hard blow after being in such a huge project.)

Back to the point, seeing Charlie branch out and start focusing on the needs of others (i.e. Claire) definitely didn't hurt in my opinion. Call it clingy if you will, (I agree, in the beginning he was *incredibly* clingy) but I think he felt that as two semi-outcasts from the group, it wouldn't hurt to stick together. As far as being protective of her, it was obviously for his benefit just as much as hers--taking his mind off the withdrawal situation. Still selfish motives, but it's an improvement. I think the fact that he has so many character flaws yet manages to redeem himself in little ways here and there is intriguing. I agree, it's an uphill struggle. You can slowly see him change and turn into a better person as time goes on, and I personally am looking forward to seeing where he ends up. Island = rehab center?

Cheeky =sexy.......
Plus it's quite endearing how he promised to take care of Claire....I think deep down most women (IMO) think this is a very good quality. A man that can make you laugh is pure gold....

Dom was the original reason I started watching the show right off the bat Charlie was my favorite. But Dom's played Charlie so well and Charlie's been dramatic, funny, sad, dead, and everything else you can think of. That's why he's remained my favorite. He's brought something new to show every episode

Also Charlie's one of the most real of the characters on the show. When he kicked his drugs that only made me like him more. When he cared for Claire that made me like him ALOT more. And when he opened up to Rose that made him even more likeable. Also he's a guy, thats why he follows the girls around.

I can see how some ppl can get annoyed by how much Dom is talked about but honestly I can't see how ppl can say him or Charlie are overrated.

...I'm sure it helps that I've been a HUGE fan of Dom's for over 3 years now :)

I like him because, well I know guys who are tripped out like that, with the drugs and the neediness. Also he hold my intrest you know, with whats going to happen to him and that lot. But it also helps that he is a hottie. Not really a fan girl just fan. But I do love Syid and Hurly just as much as Charlie.

It's not a matter of people liking Charlie more than the other men of Lost- I personally believe (and there's proof, no doubt) that a HUGE amount of the Lost fanbase are Lord of the Rings fans and if they know a LOTR character is on their screen every Wednesday, something inside them is going to force them to love that character a bit more. There are some things Charlie has done that I think are kinda weird (stupid even), but I honestly like his character and his issues and motives and I think that if I didn't know Dom from the some random dude on Charleston Avenue, I'd still like Charlie.

Sawyer has a crapload of fangirls so I don't think Dom is the only one getting reconigzed. Same with Jack and I wouldn't be surpised w/ Sayid. Oh and Boone does too.


Everyone likes different people. Dom was just extremely popular from LOTR so it natural to fixate on that person you saw three years straight as one of your favorite Hobbits.

"why do you love Charlie so much more then Jack, Sayid, Michael, Sawyer, Hurley, Jin, Locke and whoever else is a guy on the show?"

Sawyer is a jerk who would have sex with five different women in one night.
Michael seems like the kind of guy that if someone more pretty came along he would dump you and go with them.
Jin is a domineering husband who would slap his wife for going with friends to dinner.
Jack would be the guy who would hold a grudge if you had one secret from him and a stupid secret like what your true hair color is.
Locke would try to diagnose you.
Sayid is too much on war I want a guy who is neutral to war someone who thinks there is no bad and good side.
Hurley he is a g8 guy funny (which is most improtant)who would bring you home flowers and bring you breakfast in bed but he also seems like the kind of guy who would get mad easily.



OK, this is what I'm talking about... but no offense to Coldplayfan, I respect your honesty in being a fangirl of Dom.

But how can you make these statements about the other men? Jack holds a grudge? Michael seems flakey who would dump you without a thought? Hurley get's mad easily? These false assumptions are just the madness of a fangirl imo. I see nothing on the show to back them up.

What about Charlie? Not negative comments? How about... "Charlie is the type of guy who could get jealous/insecure easily and would constantly ask you where you were or what you were doing if you were not with him. Also he is likely to slip back into this drug scene if he were to leave the island."

I realize all characters haver their fanbase, but Charlies fanbase seems to be... a bit rabid. :-[
Anywho, thanks to all for shedding a little light on it for me.

for me I dont like the other characters cuz...

Jack...great character but to me he's sorta boring
Hurley...my 3rd fav. guy but not offend anyone but IMP he doesnt have the sex appeal that Dom does
Boone...my 2nd fav. but theres not much to him. He's not very deep..but I still LOVE him
Locke...used to me one of my favorite guys but he's sorta turning bad now
Jin and Sawyer...both jerk for different reasons (I never could stand either of them)
Sayid...possibly my least favorite guy. He's not a very warm character...idk how to explain it but I dont like him
Walt...hasn't had enough screen time to really become a favorite
Michael...same as Walt but i'm sure after tomorrow both of them with move up from the middle of my list to the top

...Charlie's just got everything and I like that he got over his drugs and him being famous before and all...

ALL the characters on Lost have issues. What would be interesting about an ensemble that didn't? To each his/her own. I like them ALL.

Also he is likely to slip back into this drug scene if he were to leave the island.

For what it's worth, I agree with this thought a hundred percent. In ep 13, **Charlie snapped back at Jack when he was asked how the Heroine withdrawal was coming along; in a manner that, personally, came off as a tad too bitter for someone who supposedly had no qualms about giving up the addiction. There's no denying the character flaws, they come by truckload, and are, admittedly, the sort of faults that score so easily on the annoyance scale.

But his screen time goes down for two episodes and you realize you miss him more than you would have Sawyer or Michael or maybe even Locke because it's to the goofball you've formed an attachment to. It's a fondness that, personally, needn't refer back to LOTR or squee over "teh hotness that is DOM!1!!one!!1". It's the sort of thing that doesn't need a reason, y'know? Doesn't need justification. There's always going to be the one character that catches your attention and holds it from Day1 and makes you want to see how he or she gets along, and for some of us, it just happened to be Charlie. :)

I think we like Charlie BECAUSE of all the things you listed. It makes him a less than perfect character and more real. Thats why we like him.

I like him because he's a nice break from the macho types of Sawyer, Jack, Locke & Sayid.

I don't think I'd personally date a guy like that but he would probably be a fun person to have around and a good friend.

I actually posted bits of this on another thread, but it seemed appropriate to put here as well.

If I may, I would like to add my opinion to the flood of opinions here. Obviously, I'm a Charlie fan. Here's a tip, though, we're not all rabid, young, fangirls. Making generalizations like that is wrong on so many levels. I'm Dom's age, so not a teenage crush here. I appreciate the fact that Dom is a great actor. I did enjoy him in the Lord of the Rings movies, and I'll admit that his involvement in Lost is one of the reasons I started watching it. Also, there was the involvement of Abrams and Fury to make me want to watch, since those guys are geniuses!

Anyway, Charlie is a great character in my opinion, mostly because he is a very real character. He also has an innocence about him that is hard to describe but very appealing. It's almost like after he stopped taking the drugs he reverted to an earlier emotional age. This is not to say he's childlike or anything, but he is responding to situations the way a younger person would. He's always trying to help but people don't want to let him, so he gets upset. His attention to Claire before she is kidnapped is very much like a young guy would deal with his first love. Or like the geek who gets a chance with the prom queen. Sweet, no games, caring, etc. And by the way, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a geek. In fact, I'd love to find a sweet, funny geek! ;) One thing I've noticed about Charlie is that, while still keeping the innocence, he is taking small steps into responding to situations as an adult. The protective instinct when it comes to Claire is one example of this.

But anyway, I have a feeling Charlie doesn't have very well developed social skills. He was young when the band started to take off and then he got into the drugs. The years he was on drugs were "lost" to him, so now that he's clean, he is back to the way he was before.

As for those who say he's not physically attractive, to each his/her own. I personally think Dom is adorable and Charlie is a very attractive character. I think he is not only physically attractive, but the character is funny, passionate, caring, romantic, inventive, sweet, and musical (which is always a plus in my book!)

Just my 10 cents

Charlie's probably popular with Lost fans the same way Noah Wyle was popular with ER fans at the beginning.* People tend to root for the underdog, whether it's a man or a woman.* The thing that I don't understand is why we're assuming that the characters on the show have to be analyzed based on their 'dating potential'. ;)

And JustShaun...a pat on the back to you for starting this topic.* It makes a forum more than just a fangirl base if we can have opposing viewpoints on characters and discuss them like this. :)

~Emmyjean

I guess I can see how some people might be crazy over Dom. To each his/her own. I can't look at him and not think.......HOBBIT.

I guess I can see how some people might be crazy over Dom.* To each his/her own.* I can't look at him and not think.......HOBBIT.


Maybe you just haven't seen enough non-hobbit pics of him!* ;)

I think Charlie's great. I'm sorry you don't enjoy his character JustShaun!

I am also a big LOTR fan but I didn't have this huge crush on Dom, I was a Bloom fan. Then when I saw Dom was on Lost (and it looked like a good plot) I watched. Throughout the show it was the little things he did (like the peanut butter scene, his attachment to claire, and his good sense of humor and great personality, not to mention his great looks) that kept me watching. Other chararacters stoodout but it wasn't the same.

I was hooked. That is why we like Charlie.

Wait...am I having deja vu here? Because I thought JustShaun made a thread exactly like this one. Oh well.


I am also a big LOTR fan but I didn't have this huge crush on Dom, I was a Bloom fan.
I was this way too except I bounced between the other three hobbits and Bloom. When I saw the previews for LOST, I didn't quite recognize him. My reaction was sort of like "Was that one of the hobbits?" and then my thoughts shifted to something else. I didn't start watching Lost until the first of the reruns (1. Because I was still mourning for Angel and 2. A girl from my school recommended it). I felt sorry for Charlie because nobody seemed to care about him. Then I fell in love with him when he started to flirt with Claire because Claire was the person I could relate to the most (I'm not pregnant, though).

Ummm.....I agree with what all the other fans said. He's a hero with flaws and issues. It makes him more real.

Blah, blah, blah ;).

Justshaun, have you posted on imdb? I recognize the Shaun part.

It might be someone else.

I'm not a teenager either. I'm 22.

;D

I too cannot understand the sheer obsession with Charlie. In my opinion he started out as an funny character, but as time is going on we are starting to see some things about Charlie that really aren't very nice at all. It's easy for his fans to blame Liam for Charlie getting into drugs, but Charlie had his own mind - he could have walked away as they promised they would, but he didn't because he needed the fame.

He has a very addictive personality with everything it seems. Homecoming showed Charlie in a very poor light, with the theft to fund his heroin addiction, and the insinuation that it was something Charlie had done on previous occasions to fund the drugs.

I am finding this thing with Claire to border on obsession, in reality there has been little or no encouragement from Claire other than in a purely friendly way (if you exclude her diary, but even then, I have male friends that I 'really like' and think are sweet, but don't fancy). It seems to me that Charlie/Claire fans are building this relationship between the two of them up in their heads when it really hasn't been anything other than a few friendly gestures from Claire up til now. I think that Charlie has become totally obsessed with Claire, unhealthily obsessed with her and that in the realms of the story, if the writers wanted to go in that direction, some really dark stuff could be made from it, as what I am seeing from Charlies words, gestures and looks regarding Claire are bordering on the stalker level!

It's also interesting to note that Charlie, the one person who we have seen so far do something really nasty (with the exception of Kate robbing the bank) but out of the guys, is the one that the girls find the nicest, least threatening character.

Jack - his flashbacks so far have all shown him in a positive light
Sawyer - it was intimated that he had conned women before, but in his flashback, he was unable to go through with it.
Michael - Lost walt through something that wasn't his fault and was forced to be seperated from his child
Locke - not allowed to fulfil his lifes ambition because of his handicap
Sayid - proved he had a heart when he saved nadia and freed her as risk to himself
Boone - travelled half way round the world to save his step sister from what he thoughtght was an abusive relationship
Charlie - was a drug addict whose only thought was when he would be able to get his next fix, he stole and lied in order to be able to continue with his addiction. Had a history of using girls for his own satisfaction e.g. the confessional, and the using of Lucy. Was offered the chance to stay with Liam and get help, but instead prefered to carry on with his addiction and chase the fame that he needed so much.

It must be the LotR thing. Then again, I am a HUGE lotR fan too and I never really liked or disliked Dom in that. I was more a Faramir & Boromir fan. Having said that, I watched ATBCHDI 3 times and cryed every time Charlie 'died', I think that was more to do with Evie and Matt's acting though

I've always said Charlie needs at least a month in a good rehab center. :laugh: When you quit drugs (or alcohol or whatever) its not only the physical stopping of the drugs that matters..the mental/emotional issues must be delt with as well.* Charlie hasn't had a chance to do that yet. No counselor by his side or sponser helping him go through the step by steps. There was Rose but as far as we could see she just helped him through his 'survivor's guilt'.* We don't see that she helped him with any of his deeper issues.

he drugs were taken to numb the pain..he quits drugs and* went through withdrawl (even though we didn't see much of it)* whoom..he nearly gets killed...his crush is abducted ...you know the rest. Probably more 'painful' than anything he has experienced so far with little or no help.

Right now I'm not even going to try to guess what's in Charlie's head concerning Claire.. It could be unhealthy obsession..it could be true lurve. Right now they both look about the same to me.

But like I said before..I want Charlie to go dark because I want Dom to show people he can do it. I might be the only one rejoicing if the character goes completely bad because I want to see if Dom can pull it off. If we hate him ..then we know he's doing it right.

Elfdream, I agree with you in wanting to see Charlie go dark. It would make such a great storyline. The badder he gets, the more I will like him. It's the self pitying, obsessive Charlie I don't like. The first few episodes I thought he was great for the comedy value, but he is rapidly becoming a snivelling wreck, the first blast of fire shown by him in a lot of episodes was literally when he blasted Ethan away.

Do it writers, turn Charlie evil. I have a sneaky suspicion that may be where they are heading with him now. I hope so. How boring will it be if everyone just gets all loved up on the island? Sawyer/Kate or boo hiss Jack/Kate, Sayid/Shannon(yay) , Sun/Jin (getting closer again) Vincent/Boone/Locke triangle ;) my swoonworthy Lance/dark haired lady on the beach (don't think we 'I Love Lance Posse' haven't seen the smouldering looks between them, and the totally excessive amounts of swooning she does over our Lanceypoo ;))

you get my point tho, turn the Charlie/Claire thing into something very dark and unhealthy......

Sayid - proved he had a heart when he saved nadia and freed her as risk to himself

Boone - travelled half way round the world to save his step sister from what he thoughtght was an abusive relationship



Personally, I don't see how Charlie's drug addiction is worse than Sayid's history of torturing prisoners in Iraq, especially since he does it again on the island.

It's great that Boone flew around the world to help Shannon but to me, that displays every bit as much obession (if not more) as Charlie's actions towards Claire.

I mean, of course I'm totally biased in favour of Charlie because I'm a huge Dom fan. But, having said that, I think this show seems to be about atonement and redemption. All of the characters have to have demons of some sort to work out.

Oh yes, it would be very interesting to see, how Charlie becomes a little bit evil.....makes the character more exciting.
Maggie, we should try not to mix up Dom and Charlie, I also love Dom and I think, he personally would love to see Charlie going to the dark side.

But to be honest, I doubt that the writers will have the courage to do it , too many disappointed fangirls and C/C shippers.

Maggie, we should try not to mix up Dom and Charlie, I also love Dom and I think, he personally would love to see Charlie going to the dark side.


My bad. I should have mentioned that I love both Charlie and Dom for separate reasons! They're obviously extremely different personalities!

But to be honest, I doubt that the writers will have the courage to do it , too many disappointed fangirls and C/C shippers.

And I would be one of the many disappointed shippers. One of the sweetest possibly stalkerish relationships I have ever seen. I think Charlie genuinley cares about Claire. It might not be true lurve but it's something! But then again, after seeing the Spuffy relationship *shudder* *shudder*, nothing seems quite as stalkerish anymore.

It's also interesting to note that Charlie, the one person who we have seen so far do something really nasty (with the exception of Kate robbing the bank) but out of the guys, is the one that the girls find the nicest, least threatening character.

[Sawyer - it was intimated that he had conned women before, but in his flashback, he was unable to go through with it.

[Charlie - was a drug addict whose only thought was when he would be able to get his next fix, he stole and lied in order to be able to continue with his addiction.* Had a history of using girls for his own satisfaction e.g. the confessional, and the using of Lucy.* Was offered the chance to stay with Liam and get help, but instead prefered to carry on with his addiction and chase the fame that he needed so much.

It must be the LotR thing.* Then again, I am a HUGE lotR fan too and I never really liked or disliked Dom in that.* I was more a Faramir & Boromir fan.* Having said that, I watched ATBCHDI 3 times and cryed every time Charlie 'died', I think that was more to do with Evie and Matt's acting though



The only reason Sawyer couldn't go through with the con was because he saw the little boy and it brought back the memories of when his parents were conned when he was a child, not out of the goodness of his heart.

As for Charlie, I don't think that he used Lucy. Yes, that was the intention, but I think he grew to really like her and wanted to clean up and do the right thing for her. Rehab is hard, especially cold turkey and with no one to help him. *Also, I don't think he turned down Liam to chase his fame, I think it had more to do with him blaming Liam for making him start drugs. Of course Charlie had his own mind and made the choice himself, no question, but remember that he was also high at the time and addicts blame everyone but themselves.

As for the LOTR thing, I was a big fan, too and Dom wasn't my favorite then, either. But I like Charlie. *I just don't think that the two have anything to do with each other. I simply like the character of Charlie and it has nothing to do with other characters that the actor may have played.

Some people accuse Charlie of being a murderer. OK. lets see what we have:
Sawyer - shot the marshall, or better tried to shot the marshall, but failed so that the poor guy croaked miserably. Sawyer also steals from dead people, not for food or medicine but for his own advantage.
I call that wannabe-murderer and thief.
Sayid - he tortures a man without any proof, manipulated by Locke.
Dr.Jack - he assists the torturing.

Ethan died fast and without pain - more than he deserves!

The others wanted to torture him to get some questions and kill him after that - I call that double standards.

Some people accuse Charlie of being a murderer. OK. lets see what we have:
Sawyer - shot the marshall, or better tried to shot the marshall, but failed so that the poor guy croaked miserably. Sawyer also steals from dead people, not for food or medicine but for his own advantage.
I call that wannabe-murderer and thief.
Sayid - he tortures a man without any proof, manipulated by Locke.
Dr.Jack - he assists the torturing.

Ethan died fast and without pain - more than he deserves!

The others wanted to torture him to get some questions and kill him after that - I call that double standards.



Few of these people are angels.

I would be curious as to how the suvivors treat Charlie after this. Will they blame him? Will they treat him as an outcast? Will they just be so glad Ethan is gone that they overlook it?

Reading the summary of "Outlaws" it says that Hurley and Sayid are worried that Charlie is losing it ..., so I do not think, that it will be a great thing. And looking at the promos for the next episodes, he is together with Sayid, on the beach next to Kate and in the jungle with Hurley. As usual on that creepy island- nothing happens :D

Ummm.....I agree with what all the other fans said. He's a hero with flaws and issues. It makes him more real.

What about Jack's anti-hero issues/possile alocoholic issues, or Sawyer's identity crisis?

I personally find Jack to be either way too complex or way too shallow. Locke's a very intriguing guy but I doubt we'll EVER know the truth behind everything he does. Sayid's cool...but he hasn't changed much since they crashed, because he was a pretty good guy then. Change is good, especially to make an interesting character.
I like Charlie's sincerity and the fact that I'd probably be more like him than any of the 'heros'. I'd assign myself to something (or someone) and just stick to that, and not worry to much about the big things.

Some people accuse Charlie of being a murderer. OK. lets see what we have:
Sawyer - shot the marshall, or better tried to shot the marshall, but failed so that the poor guy croaked miserably. Sawyer also steals from dead people, not for food or medicine but for his own advantage.
I call that wannabe-murderer and thief.
Sayid - he tortures a man without any proof, manipulated by Locke.
Dr.Jack - he assists the torturing.

Ethan died fast and without pain - more than he deserves!

The others wanted to torture him to get some questions and kill him after that - I call that double standards.



The fact remains that Sawyer shot the Marshal because it was the kindest thing to do. He didn't shoot him because he wanted him dead (OMG, sudden brainstorm.....)

Sawyer did take the things from the dead people yes, but they were dead, they had no use for them. Not the same as stealing from alive people. I am not saying it was right, but it's not in the same league.

As I said before, what Sawyer attempted to do when he shot the Marshal was a 'mercy killing' the guy was dying a slow agonising death.

What Sayid and Jack did was very wrong, they both allowed themselves to be manipulated by Locke who had his own reasons for doing so. Maybe Locke felt that Sawyer deserved a lesson in humility. We already know that Locke is the type of person, that as long as he achieves the end result, the means are justifiable.

Sayid tortured people for his job. Doesn't make it right, but they were his orders. A soldier obeys orders. simple as that.

What Charlie did to Ethan was pure vigilante-ism. Ethan wasn't given the opportunity to give his side of events, or to justify his actions. 'Rough justice' was issued, and that is also very wrong!

I got the impression that Sawyer shot the Marshall because he was tired of listening to his moaning.

Until we have more facts we are NEVER going to get a concensus on the Ethan shooting. I stick by my temporarily insanity idea. It was wrong but Charlie was too zoned out to know right from wrong at that particular moment.

I totally agree, elfdream...what Charlie did was wrong, but he really wasn't thinking right then. He grabbed the gun, aimed, and shot. I definately don't believe he planned to do it, he just took advantage of the opportunity.

Yes, Elfdream, this is a point, we all can agree to.
Ethan is dead, the more interesting point now for me is Charlies knowledge how to shoot. And now, as we have learned, that Charlie is not the one, who dies, I hope we will see some interesting flashbacks concerning his shooting skills.