Don't get me wrong... Sawyer = bad guy. But does anyone else feel okay with him being in charge of the guns? I mean, he's got that "I have my moments of charm" attitude if something comes up, so he gives them away, but he's also just selfish enough to keep 'em all to himself. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm glad he's got them. I was smiling when I saw he'd FINALLY taken control... he's been wanting to be leader since DAY ONE.

And he HAS done good things, as opposed to what he said. I mean, he saved Michael from the ocean... This episode didn't take all hope away for me...

Not sure how i feel about Sawer having the guns, I know I don't like Jack, Locke, or AL in charge of them.

Well, he's definitly more cool headed than anyone that's had them so far. My general feeling is although he feels like he has to make himself be the bad guy, he really has everyone's best interests in mind. We'll see though...

My thinking is he's not going to remain in control of the guns for very long. He can't just sit on them--he has to sleep sometime, right? And I seriously doubt he found a more secure place to cache them than inside the hatch locker. All it will take is a stealthy tracking job by Locke (or Kate, for that matter), following Sawyer to find out where he hid them. Or even worse, what if the Others get to them first?

Did Jack leave the key to the Haliburton inside the hatch locker or does he still have it?

I too dont think he really is a bad guy. I think Kate was right. He does want to be hated, but at the same time, when it comes down to it, he cant be that bad. I still love him and i dont think he is actually doing all this just because. Theres a reason for his madness, we just dont know it yet. Now Charlie, i just dont get. He is just doing things for vengance? Or what?

Jack did leave the key in the hatch locker, not sure if Locke took that as well when he hid the guns

Did Sawyer relocate the guns already? If so, how? With Charlie's help? Because otherwise Locke knows where they are and they can just go get them back.

At any rate, even if Sawyer relocated them, Locke should be able to track them, right?

I never thought I would say this but after the great episode we had last night I think the island is better off with Sawyer controlling the guns. Here's why:

LOCKE: I think we are starting to see the real Locke and he wants to control everything on the island and the fact that he keeps changing the combinations scares me. Would Locke ever give the guns out to the islanders if they get into a confrontation with Zeke??? I doubt he would and I think that's where were headed to.

JACK: What a hothead. Every time Jack hears a twig break or the wind blows he shouts "LETS get the guns". He is unreliable and I would rather see Locke with the guns than Jack. Plus, I think Kate is onto something because AL wants the guns bad and she is going through Jack.

I know Sawyer is a CONMAN but he can also be rationale. Let him control the guns and he is happy to let Jack and Locke fight over everything else on the island. LOCKE and JACK fighting over the guns would lead to someone dying inadvertantly(ie. Shannon).

I am happy to see the real Sawyer last night. I love the "A Tiger can't change its stripes" line.

Don't get me wrong... Sawyer = bad guy. But does anyone else feel okay with him being in charge of the guns? I mean, he's got that "I have my moments of charm" attitude if something comes up, so he gives them away, but he's also just selfish enough to keep 'em all to himself. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm glad he's got them. I was smiling when I saw he'd FINALLY taken control... he's been wanting to be leader since DAY ONE.
Interesting perspective, I honestly hadn't thought of it like that. In the end, I can't agree, though. Say what you will about Jack, but at least he has everyone's interests at heart. Even Locke is capable of being reasonable. Sawyer is a selfish bully who can't be trusted an inch. How do we know he won't sell everyone out if the Others give him a better deal?

I have to agree that this can't reasonably last for too long.. over 40 angry castaways v. one smooth talking redneck? I don't care if he DOES have all the guns.. it doesn't makes sense that he would be able to hold onto them for very long. And I think Sawyer was right; he's a bad person. I think he has the potential to be a good person but he doesn't see it, and it's going to take many seasons for him to realize it. Or we could just kill him now, and take the guns back. But then again.. maybe that's what he really wants. Ooohh.

If Sawyer didn't find a secure location for the guns, then he won't stay in control for very long. He knows he'll be followed the first time someone asks for one. This means he'd have to use someone else to get them - Charlie while he diverts everyone else's attention. The tricky part is figuring out how to have Charlie retrieve the gun(s) without everyone else realizing Charlie's even involved. This is, of course, assuming Charlie knows the new location of the guns...

I don't think that it is a total bad idea that Sawyer has the guns. Once again, he has done logical things in the past on the island. Sometimes he gives things to people if they ask (depending on who it is...maybe Dimples). I thought it was rather amusing when he took charge of things.

i like the idea of sawyer having the guns. i think he knows that jack and locke are an unsafe combination and him having control of the guns is for everyone's protection. i like to think that this could be his "redemption" (which means, he might end up dying for it :( ). that by protecting the other losties from themselves he's making up for past mistakes.

While the "power struggle" is compelling TV, and while many enjoyed the Bad Boy putting the self-appointed leaders in their place, in real life this premise is laughable. NO ONE is going to actually be in charge, at least not for long.

As others have pointed out, this really amounts to three ego-driven little boys in a pis*ing match over a toy none of them can really control anyway. Of course one man, even a slick con man, cannot keep the whole stash hidden away and control it. Of course he will be followed whenever he tries to retrieve one. Of course they would have to be hidden so far away that they will be practically useless to the Losties in case they are attacked. Of course anyone who declares themselves "the new sheriff" in a place with no structure, no laws, and no reason for anyone to obey him is sadly delusional.

While I generally enjoyed the ep, this really bothers me, and I hope it gets cleaned up in future eps. Actually it would be rather poignant for Sawyer (and Charlie) to think they have triumphed and then realize they have no ability to control the situation.

I also think a good twist, and logical way out of the ridiculousness of one man controlling a huge hidden stash of guns somewhere out in the jungle, would be for this to be a continuing "Long Con". What if even Charlie is being conned and actually Locke is Sawyer's partner, against Jack, and they actually circled back and put the guns right back in the vault? Locke controls the combo to that, and it is the last place Jack would look. Just an idea.

While the "power struggle" is compelling TV, and while many enjoyed the Bad Boy putting the self-appointed leaders in their place, in real life this premise is laughable. NO ONE is going to actually be in charge, at least not for long.

As others have pointed out, this really amounts to three ego-driven little boys in a pis*ing match over a toy none of them can really control anyway. Of course one man, even a slick con man, cannot keep the whole stash hidden away and control it. Of course he will be followed whenever he tries to retrieve one. Of course they would have to be hidden so far away that they will be practically useless to the Losties in case they are attacked. Of course anyone who declares themselves "the new sheriff" in a place with no structure, no laws, and no reason for anyone to obey him is sadly delusional.

While I generally enjoyed the ep, this really bothers me, and I hope it gets cleaned up in future eps. Actually it would be rather poignant for Sawyer (and Charlie) to think they have triumphed and then realize they have no ability to control the situation.

I also think a good twist, and logical way out of the ridiculousness of one man controlling a huge hidden stash of guns somewhere out in the jungle, would be for this to be a continuing "Long Con". What if even Charlie is being conned and actually Locke is Sawyer's partner, against Jack, and they actually circled back and put the guns right back in the vault? Locke controls the combo to that, and it is the last place Jack would look. Just an idea.

That would be the sweetest reversal to happen yet. I don't think Locke and Sawyer woul dhave had the talk they did in the hatch if this was true though.

It seems that Sawyer has them over a barrel. If they kill him or whatever, they lose the guns forever and he has a ace in his sleeve with the silent partner that is Charlie. Seems like he is really outing himself as the bad guy of the group and I think we will see quite a bit of resistance to his authority. I was VERY happy to see Charlie NOT take the Virgin Mary - at this point he could kill a bunch of folks and I'd still be on his side as long as he didn't get back on the skeeze. I lost a lot of respect for Locke when he turned his back on Charlie.

How has Sawyer got anyone over a barrell? Seems more like a standoff to me. Yeah they can't kill Sawyer, but he also can't go get retrieve his stash, or even send his minion Charlie to get one, since they are sure to be followed, or certainly monitored when they come back with one. Announcing your new "power" to the group was stoopid Sawyer. But of course that was the point of the whole thing, to flex his muscles in Jack's face.

But that really doesn't matter since the Others will have found and stolen the weapon cache long before. It's their house, remember? Dumbarse Sawyer went and hid the weapons in their attic!

I also think a good twist, and logical way out of the ridiculousness of one man controlling a huge hidden stash of guns somewhere out in the jungle, would be for this to be a continuing "Long Con". What if even Charlie is being conned and actually Locke is Sawyer's partner, against Jack, and they actually circled back and put the guns right back in the vault? Locke controls the combo to that, and it is the last place Jack would look. Just an idea.

That is a brillant idea!! :smile: While I worship at the alter of James Sawyer Ford I do have a hard time believing he would choose Charlie as a partner, I much prefer to think of him working with Locke.