it seems like hiding the guns deep in the jungle would be a bad idea, considering they would be up for grabs for the others. plus, the whole "hidden in plain view" idea is often more effective than trying to find a secretive hiding place.

I’d be worried about the rain ruining them too, but who knows.

No chance are they in the hatch; I doubt if they're even all in the same place.

I doubt they are in the hatch. It's a big island and i'm sure Sawyer could find a safe dry place to put the guns......

Althought it would have to be big since they are a lot of guns and from what Locke said a crap load of bullets

I'm just curious how Sawyer plans to keep his stash location a secret. In the past, it didn't seem too hard to follow him to his own stash (Kate and Sayid) or to even find it on their own (Boone). If, by chance, Sawyer allows someone a gun, how is he going to keep someone like Locke or Kate from following him? I suppose he could send Charlie, but he'll still to have to talk to Charlie. Which means anyone following Sawyer could pick up on the interaction and know to have both followed next time (or follow both if there's two people on surveillance).

He'd need some way to lock them away such that even if someone were to follow him to the place, they'd still need to know a combination or have a key to get in (the hatch's gun locker with a new combination perhaps?). Anywhere else, even somewhere cleverly hidden in the jungle will be difficult to maintain control.

The writers like us to suspend our belief a lot, so more then likely he's keeping every single gun and every single bullet in a big ol' chest he'll prop his feet up on and use as a footstool, and won't be harassed for the guns until the plot says for it to happen. I mean I find this whole gun situation hard to swallow. Don't you think as soon as Sawyer sauntered off into the jungle, that Sayid and Locke and Jack would all huddle up, formulate a plan, kick the bojangles out of Sawyer and take back the guns? I mean I know Sawyer is a big bad scary man now, but.. come on. Sayid could tear him apart.

The writers like us to suspend our belief a lot, so more then likely he's keeping every single gun and every single bullet in a big ol' chest he'll prop his feet up on and use as a footstool, and won't be harassed for the guns until the plot says for it to happen. I mean I find this whole gun situation hard to swallow. Don't you think as soon as Sawyer sauntered off into the jungle, that Sayid and Locke and Jack would all huddle up, formulate a plan, kick the bojangles out of Sawyer and take back the guns? I mean I know Sawyer is a big bad scary man now, but.. come on. Sayid could tear him apart.

i guess that's why they threw in the "torture me all you want" bit

Sawyer is smart enough to get all the guns; presumably he is smart enough to keep them accessible to the group if they should need them. So hiding them in the hatch would make sense. Maybe Kate told him all about her travel through the ducts?

If they are out in the jungle somewhere, Sawyer probably hid them under dead bodies from the front of the plane. He's shown that he's not squeamish about picking through corpses.

With all his deep planning, he wouldn't louse up the question of *where* to put the guns. Unless the writing is sub-par...

Where do you think Sawyer hid the guns? I'm assuming he took steps to keep them dry so that's what I'm basing most options on.

there is lots of plastic from the Airplane. all you would need to do is rap it up real good. the ammo would be hard but like I said, lots of plastic from the plane is all you would need.

I would have placed the guns in that part of the hatch underground. but maybe it would get too hot down there.

Well, my question is, if Sawyer was in the hatch the entire time Locke was moving the guns, how did Sawyer know where Locke hid them?

Charlie was the one who followed Locke and reported back to Sawyer. Reference to the mention that he could have taken the drugs when he found the guns...they were all together.

I think the guns are buried in a grave. Ethan's perhaps.

Well, my question is, if Sawyer was in the hatch the entire time Locke was moving the guns, how did Sawyer know where Locke hid them?

Charlie was in on it, too, so he was the one who told Sawyer where Locke had hid them. Probably followed him while he was hiding them, since he's not a tracker.

OK, thanks for answering my question!

Guns back safely at home in the hatch? I've been saying this in various threads all day, and I sure hope it's true.

Or if not in the hatch, somewhere other than the incredibly lame brain Sawyer idea of somewhere out in the jungle. The Others own the Jungle, they just told him its their home. We know they closely watch the Losties. If Sawyer really "hid" them in the Jungle, the Other's backyard, they'd be gone in 60 seconds.

And even if the omnipresent others didn't snap them up, as previously pointed out in this thread, Ole James Ford has got an incredible logistics problem trying to get access to them himself without being detected. If he was trying to stash them in the Jungle of Mystery, stupidest move imaginable to come back and announce it to the group.

So for those reason, I fervently hope this is a continuing "Long Con" and that laughable "New Sheriff" speech was part of it. For me, having Locke be in on it, with Charlie an unknowing patsy soon to be served up to Jin, would be a great twist. And why not the hatch vault? Jack, who is the intended victim of the con, thinks its empty. And Locke controls the combination, changes it at will.

Suspending disbelief is one thing, but asking me to believe the super slick con man would take the island's weapon stash and "hide" it where the enemy has easy access is just too much. Ditto for believing he would come back and priss about and spill his guts that he hid it, thereby denying himself access.

So yeah please, in the hatch or elsewhere, let the Long Con continue. The ending we saw was way too lame.

I think in the hatch is a good possibility. Another would be in Charlie's cave. Seeing as how Sawyer is working with Charlie, it makes sense. Having a little trouble remembering but I think Charlie (and maybe Locke) are the only ones who know where the top entrance is.

BTW: I made a poll here.
http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=36658

I think in the hatch is a good possibility. Another would be in Charlie's cave. Seeing as how Sawyer is working with Charlie, it makes sense. Having a little trouble remembering but I think Charlie (and maybe Locke) are the only ones who know where the top entrance is.

BTW: I made a poll here.
http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=36658

Only Jack and Charlie went up through the top entrance, but I'm sure after that incident, they told everyone how they got out. Charlie's cave is still a possibility, especially now that hardly anyone goes to the caves anymore.

Speaking of suspension of disbelief: Locke should be able to track Sawyer's trail to the guns.

Or perhaps Locke is in on Sawyer's con - unbeknownst to Charlie.

I think he might try...but don't discount the possibility of Locke being watched. Sawyer knows just as well as the viewer that Locke is a tracker...and his actions won't go unobserved. Heck..Charlie could follow him quite openly and now it won't matter if Locke hears him or not.

He might've hidden them at the waterfall he and Kate found. Like buried in the rocks or something. Just a thought; I really have no idea.

He might've hidden them at the waterfall he and Kate found. Like buried in the rocks or something. Just a thought; I really have no idea.

I can't remember, is there a way to go behind the waterfall? Whether in Lost or in real life. I think the place is called Rainbow Falls. If so, that would be a possibility, but unfortunatelly I can't add it now.

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The guns had a dry and good location in the hatch. then came Sawyer and brought them outside. He must have hidden them in the jungle somewhere.
You must be stupid to hide any kind of guns in the jungle. They get wet and they are going to rust. Sooner or later they will brake. Even if he put them in a cave - the humidity will break them
If they want working guns they need to put them in a dry place

I wonder where Locke hid them in the first place. Perhaps he used a box from the hatch to carry all the weapons and in there they are stored "safely".

i think he still has to dig them or he has to bring them several miles away because the losties walk arround ;)

I would guess somewhere in the jungle. I think that the other places would be the first place anyone else would look for them.

which hatch??? we know of at least 2.....

which hatch??? we know of at least 2.....

I thought of the Arrow Hatch, too. But that's a pretty long trek and both Charlie and Locke were back on the beach for Sawyer's speech. Not to mention the fact that Sawyer walked out with a big *** gun.

My only problem with the guns being back in the hatch - the air ducts or something - is how could Sawyer have gotten them back in with no one noticing. Someone is ALWAYS on button duty.

That's true, but mebbe he coulda hid 'em where no one would really suspect? Like near one of the dead ppl's (the will not be forgotten) :sadwalk:

Not many of the ppl would dare dig near a grave so yeah....just a thought. :ohwell: :lipsseal:

which hatch??? we know of at least 2.....

The Swan hatch. I think the Arrow is a full day's hike and would be impossible to get there and back in the time frame shown in "The Long Con."

I forget to add The Black Rock but that would probably be too obvious anyway.


BTW: if the posts seem weird it's because the threads were merged

Not in the Hatch, but Sawyer will need to have kept them close in order to use them in the same way that he used to use his 'stash'. I thought about the Black Rock at first, but neither Charlie or Sawyer went there, and it's quite a trek.

I doubt they're in the hatch because that would be too hard to hide since Sawyer hardly ever goes in there and if he did, he couldn't hide the fact. He needs to put them somewhere that he can easily get to them without drawing any more suspicion that is necessary. He also has to have them somewhere where he can get them and get away in an instant. The hatch isn't a good place.

I dont know Sawyer is too unpretictable.....I picked in the trees, That could be a possiblity......lol but i really have no clue I guess i havent thought about it till know.

i think theyre just safe in the jungle somewhere, inside a tree, god knows, but a planned, dry place.

someone mustve been in the hatch/others hanging around, too much of a risk to sneak back in there to hide something

If i were Locke i would have moved them into the duct work of the hatch that Kate crawled through to escape.

there is lots of plastic from the Airplane. all you would need to do is rap it up real good. the ammo would be hard but like I said, lots of plastic from the plane is all you would need.

I would have placed the guns in that part of the hatch underground. but maybe it would get too hot down there.

I'm with you. We don't know where Locke moved them to but it didn't have to be very far from the hatch. He did it pretty quickly and with not much notice so he couldn't have moved all that hardware too far. I would think Locke hid them in the hatch if not for the remark about Charlie tracking him.

Sawyer could well have hidden them under the rooms in the hatch. Aside from Sayid and Jack going down there once, there doesn't seem to be any reason for anyone to go down there again. They would be safe and near enough to be of use.

It wouldn't suprize me one bit if they were in Sawyers tent. Where he has a habit of stashing everything else. The man is use to sleeping with one eye open.
I can easily picture Jack and Syaid sneaking towards Sawyers tent. Getting inside only to have Sawyer walk up beind them with one of the rifles.
I'm sure we will find out soon enough

Charlie seems to always wander off on his own without anyone knowing he's gone. I think he's come across another Arrow bunker (I believe the Arrow bunkers are actually more of a storage bunker than a fully stocked 'hatch' like the swan one - I mean look at the difference in living conditions between the two bunkers) And I think that when Sawyer approached Charlie about the 'con' Charlie offered up the new bunker as a place to hide them.

the air ducts inside the hatch, or the underground passage with the concrete wall

I wouldn't be surprised if the guns were stashed in the air duct

Well i'm a big fan of the "Locke and Sawyer pulled the con together" and I strongly believe that Locke hid the guns even before Sawyer came to him

And the air duct make perfect sense, since when Michael went away, Locke made a point to Jack that he bolted the vent
It's the last place they would look for the guns, since Jack was told this had been sealed off, and know with Sawyer as the new sheriff in town, Jack has no reason to doubt Locke

It wouldn't suprize me one bit if they were in Sawyers tent. Where he has a habit of stashing everything else. The man is use to sleeping with one eye open.
I can easily picture Jack and Syaid sneaking towards Sawyers tent. Getting inside only to have Sawyer walk up beind them with one of the rifles.
I'm sure we will find out soon enough

I don't think he would - look what happened with Shannon's medicine, when the water went missing and basically whenever Jack needed something from Sawyer - he goes into his tent and tears his stuff apart looking for it. Unless Sawyer wrapped them up and buried them under his tent - which i can see him using logic to hide them in the jungle or in the hatch... Now, did Sawyer or Charlie know about the duct work in the hatch? That would be a great hiding place if he knew about it....

Sawyer is not stupid, i think he will have a decent hiding place for the guns!

How about the waterfall, that it seems only him and Kate know about?

How about the waterfall, that it seems only him and Kate know about?

wow hadn't thought about that one yet! very interesting idea!!!

Definitely on the beach, but not under Sawyers tent. Under Charlie's!

I keep saying they are in Ethan's grave! :D

Definitely on the beach, but not under Sawyers tent. Under Charlie's!

only if sawyer put them there without Charlie knowing.... Sawyer moved them without Charlie knowing where.
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I keep saying they are in Ethan's grave! :D

i agree - no one's going to be going there to visit that guy! :biggrin:

I keep saying they are in Ethan's grave! :D

My only problem with this and other "buried" theories is, when did he have time to dig up an area big enough to hide all the guns?

Sawyer told Locke and then stayed in the hatch. Charlie followed Locke and by nightfall Sawyer had them hidden. The time line seems a bit close for even two of them to dig a big enough hole and move all of that without anyone seeing them.

They also of coures may not have them all in one place..and if I were they I would have the ammo in a seperate place from the firearms.

Maybe they just put the bullets in with Ethan!

My only problem with this and other "buried" theories is, when did he have time to dig up an area big enough to hide all the guns?

Sawyer told Locke and then stayed in the hatch. Charlie followed Locke and by nightfall Sawyer had them hidden. The time line seems a bit close for even two of them to dig a big enough hole and move all of that without anyone seeing them.

Unless he had been planning it long before Jack ticked him off.

I also like the idea that either Sawyer or Charlie found another hatch.

As far as Locke being in on it, I doubt they would have that elaborate conversation where Sawyer cons Locke into hiding the guns. Although, since they have shown those air ducts several times as well as Locke sealing one, I can't throw it out completely--there is something up with those air ducts.