Hmmmm, i rewatched wtcmb, and noticed some things durning the end. i think its important in the order that they happen.

shannon realizes the french words
are from a french song. that song talks about meeting your love one on shores far away.

rose tells charlie that her husband is not dead, and that she just knows. sounds very significant. she said "He'll be back" and that "Theres a fine line between denial and faith" "Its much better on my side" and tells charlie " Im not the one that can help you"
shannon then explains the lyrics to syied,
you then see kate, looking over the item that belonged to the one she supposedly killed.
.hmmmmmmmmm seems like tons of foreshadowing if you ask me. just a thought.

The song Shannon sang was NOT the Bobby Darin song "Somewhere Beyond the Sea".* It was a French song "La Mer", which says absolutely nothing about any "love" waiting any where.* It is simply a song/poem about the aspects of the ocean.* The lyrics have been posted here several times.* Also, the lyrics to "Somewhere Beyond the Sea", just to illustrate how different they are.*

WHAT!. well that kinda ruins this post somewhat :-\

that song talks about meeting your love one on shores far away.

I think that foreshadows pretty well how Shannon falls in love with Sayid * who lives in Iraq, and that borders the ocean* Interesting.......

Luv is right. That dang song has driven a bunch of us nuts.

There are two versions of the song. Bobby Darin's and the original french songwriter Trenet's.


Don't let that deter you, though. I'm finding, the more I read, there are many references in the show with multiple meanings. Which suggests, that for many of the "clues" we find, some will have different significances, all relevant, but seen or perceived in different ways or languages. ...In Translation? I favor the idea that Trenet's version is a clue about the island and Darin's version is about Kate, or Rose, or Sayid.

Interesting conclusion you have there. Unfortunatly for me, I had never heard of La Mer until Shannon sang it... I'd better do some research on this topic.

yeah... i enjoy looking back at episodes because you find stuff that had foreshadowed something else and your like...HEY! or wow i misinterpreted that! you know? and now that some things are cleared up we can look for new clues that we missed

The only thing i dont get is Shannon said that she remembers the song from the end of that computer animated fish movie (Finding Nemo) The version at the end of that movie is not 'La Mer' but in fact 'Beyond the Sea'

I'm confussed.

The only thing i dont get is Shannon said that she remembers the song from the end of that computer animated fish movie (Finding Nemo) The version at the end of that movie is not 'La Mer' but in fact 'Beyond the Sea'

I'm confussed.


Me too Joe, I thought the same. ???

The only thing i dont get is Shannon said that she remembers the song from the end of that computer animated fish movie (Finding Nemo) The version at the end of that movie is not 'La Mer' but in fact 'Beyond the Sea'

I'm confussed.


Well, Shannon said that she had seen the movie in France (her boyfriend's son watched it). I would assume that the Frence version of Finding Nemo would use 'La Mer' instead of 'Beyond the Sea.'

The only thing i dont get is Shannon said that she remembers the song from the end of that computer animated fish movie (Finding Nemo) The version at the end of that movie is not 'La Mer' but in fact 'Beyond the Sea'

I'm confussed.


In the Nemo DVD there is a French version of the song at the end. It is on the English DVD. I do not speak French, so I dont know if the song was dubbed with the words to Beyond the Sea, or they just played over La Mer in the french version. THe rest of the movie was dubbed, so maybe they just played the french song rather than translate the english version to avoid confusion for some reason. Maybe someone who speaks french and owns nemo can figure this out.

Ok, I found this at TVTome

The song "Beyond the Sea" at the end of "Finding Nemo" was not dubbed in the French version, like Shannon claims. It remained Robbie Williams' version.

The song Shannon (Maggie Grace) sings at the end of this episode is La Mer, the song that Bobby Darin sang as Beyond the Sea.

The song Beyond the Sea at the end of Finding Nemo is sung by Robbie Williams.

The song Beyond the Sea was originally a French song "La Mer". The English version was released by singer/actor Bobby Darin in March 1959.

Beyond the Sea has major signifigance in its lyrics for the long term future of this series.

So according to them, it sounds like Beyond the Sea is signifigant, not La Mer

Here's the thing, though.... * regardless of the version on the DVD.... forget the DVD, for just a second.

First...
.... *the movie, Finding Nemo, came out AFTER Danielle ended up on the island.
SO... *there's no way Danielle's connection to the song is from Finding Nemo.

So, how did Danielle know the lyrics and write them on the map? .... *easy.... *she's supposed to be French. *LaMer is a VERY popular song to the French. *Danielle's lyrics and HER exposure to the song are refering to a different version than what's on Nemo.


Second...
Shannon only recognized the melody (the melody of both songs is the same) of the lyrics as that being form Nemo.... *because that's HER exposure to the song.... *from Nemo.


(these are just guesses)
So from Shannon's point of reference... *the song may be refering to Nadia/Sayid or possibly Rose/Mr. Rose (what's his name?) *or whomever may be waiting on distant shores for a loved one.

Danielle's point of reference points to the sea.



Beyond the Sea has major signifigance in its lyrics for the long term future of this series.



Hey, Diablo.... who was quoated as saying this?

Look at the top of my post, TV Tome

I know that what you are saying about the song is true, however, if you knew a song, in French by the melody and even if you recognized it by the lyrics (meaning that the song at the end of nemo is in fact Beyond the SEa) would you be able to look at the lyrics to La Mer and know that it is the same song as Beyond the Sea without hearing the melody? Especially if the song in French doesnt translate to the same song in English?? My point is, how did Shannon make this connection between the two just by looking at the words?

So, Shannon knew a melody that she heard 900 times from nemo, that had the words to Beyond the Sea dubbed in French (this parts a fact) and the words are those from the English version
Then she sees the words to La Mer (which in essence is a completely different song with the same melody as Beyond the Sea) and says she recognized them.
Beyond the Sea is an old song. The chance that Shannon knows that song from her life may or may not be that good. She does know it from nemo (900 times) but in French. I am just wondering how she made the connection between the two songs without hearing them both.

I see your point now...

Is it possible that the chorus is the same in both songs...?

I don't know, but that might explain why.



You know... this is another one of those weird.... we're speaking a different language but understand.... things.

Sun tells Kate to... well... I missed what she wanted 'cause of Kate... (gulp) washing.
Michael and Jin... Hurley and Jin...

I am almost sure the lyrics are completely different. ONe song is a love song and one song is about the ocean.

appearantly shannon hasbeen with alot of guys so maby one of them listned to older music... i know some older songs taht i have no idea how i know them... but then again they are in english so... maby its alittle diffrent... :clover:

Don't know if any of you have noticed or not .... but when Sayid was captured by Danielle, she asked him to fix a music box that her "late" husband gave to her for their anniversary .... After Sayid fixes it - he plays it ..... The music box plays the SAME song that Shannon sings to Sayid. So maybe she wrote down the lyrics to the song that played on the music after it broke so that she wouldn't forget how it sounded when it was working.

The music box plays the SAME song that Shannon sings to Sayid.* So maybe she wrote down the lyrics to the song that played on the music after it broke so that she wouldn't forget how it sounded when it was working.


sorry it's definitely not the same song
i've listened to the music box song several times before posting, and there is not even a close match

Beyond the Sea is an old song. The chance that Shannon knows that song from her life may or may not be that good. She does know it from nemo (900 times) but in French. I am just wondering how she made the connection between the two songs without hearing them both.


i've read somewhere on this board that the writers admitted that an error was made
they assumed that the song in the ending credits of Finding Nemo was the French version with French lyrics in the european DVD zone
but it really was the English version

This is a continuity error that seems to have been admitted by the writers
hence Shannon is supposed to have heard the French lyrics 900 times, even if in real life we know it is not possible because of that error

Well tarf, if that is true, then it clears up alot

i went on google to look up the lyrics to le mer and found out that google will translate a page for you... so ya... here are the lyrics in englishhttp://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.lyricsvault.net/songs/3721.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DCharles%2BTrenet%2BLe%2BMer%2BLyrics% 26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN
im not sure if the computer could translate it 100% correct but i looks ok to me... but then again i speak no french

Yeah, don't trust online translators, my mom is a french teacher and I've heard funny stories about how they screw up. :lol2:

There should be tons of sites out there that have both translations side by side, in fact I think some of them are hidden somewhere in the episode thread. :)

I'm wondering.. When Shannon looks at the words she says they "remind" her of something.. Later Sayid tells her that this was wrong and she leaves telling him that she's useless.
So, if the lyrics "remind" her of something, how come she can sing it like that at the end..? Sudden flash of the song? Heh