The one out loud comment I made while watching was "woah, Saywer ACTUALLY aplogized to Hurley?"

Think of all the crappy things he's done, fooled Kate into kissing him, stole a bunch of stuff, the gun thing, etc...but never once has he ever said "sorry" to anyone.

But after Hurley's "fat fat fat" speech, he really did apologize to him...of course seconds later, he squished the frog, but still...

...not sure why I'm posting this...sort of a random thought...

I think it was part of a con to get Hurley to help him

All the apology was was a tool by Sawyer to get Hurley to help. It make have looked heart felt and sincere, but Sawyer is a accomplish con man using the right tool for the right job.

agreed with the above...of course he apologized...he got hurley to do what he wanted...

I also think he may be realizing that he's taken things a bit too far. I'm sure Jin hadn't been the only one to snub him recently.

I also think he may be realizing that he's taken things a bit too far. I'm sure Jin hadn't been the only one to snub him recently.

This is giving Sawyer waaayyyy too much credit. We haven't seen anything recently that tells us he is at all remorseful for his actions, and even seems to thrive on the con game.

In spite of losing Jin's respect (which I'm not sure he valued beyond Jin's potential use to him in some as-yet unplanned con), I don't think Sawyer particularly cares much about whether people like him. He isn't there yet. That may be where the character is going to go, but he's a long way from there now. You don't con your "friends" so you can control all the weapons, hold a one-man coup, and threaten every one of those "friends" if you feel badly about your actions.

Sawyer does have a heart.:heart: He's not that cruel and munipilative.

Sawyer does have a heart.:heart: He's not that cruel and munipilative.

Animal abuse is one of the first signs of future serial killers.

Okay, everyone seems to think Sawyer planned in detail the con for the guns. I don't think he did. I think he just tweaked a little here and there and was just watching for an oportunity. I don't think he planned Charlie's actions.

I agree, Sawyer knows he needs the others and that he's really pushed people hard. He's not immune to basic social needs, no matter how small they are for him.

Aside from Jins snub, and pehaps Hurleys saying how nobody like Sawyer, things are as if what transpired in The Last Con episode never happened. Isn't it like a day or two later in One of Them?

What other motivation would Charlie have to attack Sun, of all people, then to be doing it for Sawyer? If he was directly attacking Locke, that's one thing, but Charlie gets no vengeance on Locke by attacking Sun without the rest of Sawyers plan.

Sawyer does have a heart.:heart: He's not that cruel and munipilative.
Ya might want to tell that to the dude in sydney....i kid i kid..

Sorry though but I'm thinking that there might be a heart in there but we're talking Grinch territory right now...

I was once a Sawyer fan, but enough with apologizing for this dude. After what he did to the frog, all I can say is this guy has major "issues".

The writers will have a mighty load to haul, to try and redeem this character.

Animal abuse is one of the first signs of future serial killers.

Ooops. Forgot about that. Ok. Maybe he doesn't. :blink:

This is giving Sawyer waaayyyy too much credit.

Which is something I usually don't like to do. I'm generally of the opinion that he's an irredeemable snake. However, some level of social contact is a pretty basic human need, so say the psychologists. Let's say Jin's behavior towards him was pretty representative of the group. (I should think so!) Then he comes upon Hurley, the only guy too nice to give him the brush-off he deserves. He recruits him as his frog-hunting partner. [Insert Dick Cheney joke here.] Why? Sawyer can't follow the sound of a frog by himself? He wants some company! He just can't help being abusive, until someone finally calls him on it.


In spite of losing Jin's respect (which I'm not sure he valued beyond Jin's potential use to him in some as-yet unplanned con), I don't think Sawyer particularly cares much about whether people like him. He isn't there yet. That may be where the character is going to go, but he's a long way from there now. You don't con your "friends" so you can control all the weapons, hold a one-man coup, and threaten every one of those "friends" if you feel badly about your actions.
No question, Sawyer's not much of a friend. In the past, though, he's been somewhat reliable when the chips are down, diving in the water after Jin with a bullet in his shoulder. He's not outright malicious, but he is simultaneously selfish and self-loathing. I tend to expect him to do more harm than good, but he is still a human being.

What other motivation would Charlie have to attack Sun, of all people, then to be doing it for Sawyer? If he was directly attacking Locke, that's one thing, but Charlie gets no vengeance on Locke by attacking Sun without the rest of Sawyers plan.

There's something wrong here :confused:

Yes, Charlie needed Sawyer's plan in order for him to get his revenge on Locke, but remember, the vengeance was Charlie's motivation. He didn't attack Sun FOR Sawyer. Sawyer was more of the mastermind, but Charlie was not an innocent player in this.

What other motivation would Charlie have to attack Sun, of all people, then to be doing it for Sawyer? If he was directly attacking Locke, that's one thing, but Charlie gets no vengeance on Locke by attacking Sun without the rest of Sawyers plan.

Let me put it this way: Sawyer didn't tell Charlie to kidnap Sun. He just hinted at the kind of deversion they needed. Charlie likely chose Sun because she is smaller, like himself and he wouldn't be afraid of being overpowered by her.

He apologized, but then he crushed Hurley's frog and made another fat joke ("they taste like chicken"), so does his apology count? And how much help did he really need from Hurley to find that thing? Sawyer's just a jerk.