rose seems to be 'special', just like walt. i think rose and bernard are walt's mother's parents. maybe they didn't agree with her choice to have a child out of wedlock and didn't talk to her since. maybe michael never met susan's parents... susan married a white guy, rose is married to a white guy.

Yes, she is, good catch!!!

Something I need to ponder a lil

I had the same theory a long time ago over in General Theories somewhere...GMTA :biggrin:

I proposed that Susan was estranged from her family, thus Rose may not even be aware of Walt's and Michael's existences prior to the crash. It made sense to me that Rose and Bernard might have been in Australia because of Susan's death. The reason I thought that was because of what Rose told Charlie about having some sob stories back when he was all depressed about Claire's abduction.:smile:

I had the same theory a long time ago over in General Theories somewhere...GMTA :biggrin:

I proposed that Susan was estranged from her family, thus Rose may not even be aware of Walt's and Michael's existences prior to the crash. It made sense to me that Rose and Bernard might have been in Australia because of Susan's death. The reason I thought that was because of what Rose told Charlie about having some sob stories back when he was all depressed about Claire's abduction.:smile:

I have to agree with that theory!!!

That was a theory I never considered. Rose didn't strike me as the type of person who could remain so estranged from her daughter that she never found out she had a grandson. If it's true, the whole family does have something in common: a current major lack of screentime.

rose seems to be 'special', just like walt. i think rose and bernard are walt's mother's parents. maybe they didn't agree with her choice to have a child out of wedlock and didn't talk to her since. maybe michael never met susan's parents... susan married a white guy, rose is married to a white guy.

That would be cool, i'd love to see more of Susan!!

This theory would not make sense because Rose would have known about her grandson. She would not have cared that her daughter married a white man since she was married to one herself.

Susan married Bernard after she dumped Michael, so maybe she could have been estranged from Rose and Bernard for some other reason, like maybe's she's just plain evil? If she treated her parents as abominably as she did Michael, I guess it's conceivable they wouldn't have had anything to do with her. Still seems out of character for Rose, and she and Walt might have been special enough combined to sense each other's presence being on the island for 40 days, anyway.

That was a theory I never considered. Rose didn't strike me as the type of person who could remain so estranged from her daughter that she never found out she had a grandson. If it's true, the whole family does have something in common: a current major lack of screentime.

Well, I agree about Rose, but it might not have been her choice. You have to agree that Susan was very cold and self-involved. I can totally see her cutting herself off from her family for some reason.

This theory would not make sense because Rose would have known about her grandson. She would not have cared that her daughter married a white man since she was married to one herself.

I don't think that would be the reason Susan would become estranged from her family. Why would an interracial relationship have to be the reason? There are all kinds of reasons that people separate themselves from their families. It seems more likely to me that Susan might be ashamed of her family for some reason, and she might feel they would hold her back socially and professionally.

I may be wrong, but I seem to recall in one of the early episodes that Michael and Rose realised they were from the same neighbourhood. That probably means nothing, although I like the idea that Rose and Walt/Michael are connected in some way. She always puts me in mind of The Oracle from the Matrix, in an all-seeing, all-knowing kind of way. I'm not so sure about the estrangement though; maybe Susan was adopted/fostered?

rose seems to be 'special', just like walt. i think rose and bernard are walt's mother's parents. maybe they didn't agree with her choice to have a child out of wedlock and didn't talk to her since. maybe michael never met susan's parents... susan married a white guy, rose is married to a white guy.

That would be a great twist! :cool:

Susan married Bernard after she dumped Michael, so maybe she could have been estranged from Rose and Bernard for some other reason, like maybe's she's just plain evil? If she treated her parents as abominably as she did Michael, I guess it's conceivable they wouldn't have had anything to do with her. Still seems out of character for Rose, and she and Walt might have been special enough combined to sense each other's presence being on the island for 40 days, anyway.

I think you mean "Susan married Brian..." not Bernard. And I agree that Susan was incredibly inconsiderate and rude to Michael on so many different levels. Moving Walt across the world, not letting Michael see his son, keeping Michael's letters from Walt...I could go on and on.

I may be wrong, but I seem to recall in one of the early episodes that Michael and Rose realised they were from the same neighbourhood. That probably means nothing, although I like the idea that Rose and Walt/Michael are connected in some way. She always puts me in mind of The Oracle from the Matrix, in an all-seeing, all-knowing kind of way. I'm not so sure about the estrangement though; maybe Susan was adopted/fostered?

I'm not sure I recall Michael and Rose realizing that they were from the same neighborhood. I do recall her saying she was from the Bronx when they heard the monster sounds and she said it reminded her of something. Michael was from NY, though, right?

Rose reminds me of The Oracle, too!!

TPTB have mentioned a Rose/Bernard flashback for S3. I can't wait for that!! Perhaps Susan will turn up in their flashback...

I'm not sure I recall Michael and Rose realizing that they were from the same neighborhood. I do recall her saying she was from the Bronx when they heard the monster sounds and she said it reminded her of something. Michael was from NY, though, right?

Rose reminds me of The Oracle, too!!

TPTB have mentioned a Rose/Bernard flashback for S3. I can't wait for that!! Perhaps Susan will turn up in their flashback...
I think you could be right goddessblue. I must have confused myself (easily done with this show!) with the conversation about the monster sounding like something from home. I'm pretty sure Michael is also from NY though.

Glad I'm not alone re. The Oracle :)

Thanks for heads-up about the coming flashback for Rose and Bernard - I can't wait now, either!!

ooh a flashback on those 2! That sounds really exciting. I agree that the whole related theme seems really cool. I honestly don't think it would happen though.

Interesting how both Rose and Walt expressed a desire to stay on the island. And the Rose/Bernard flashbacks showed nothing of their lives before they met.

Ok, I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade but it seems fairly unlikely for this theory to be true....First, the theory began as Susan was Rose and Bernard's daughter-only Rose and Bernard hadn't even met and wouldn't for SEVERL YEARS after Susan was not only conceived and born, but after even Walt's birth since Walt is a preteen and Rose and Bernard have only been married what like 5 or 6 months and had only known each other 5 months before that? I don't want to be the nasty one, but really, just because three people happen to be the same race does not relate them biologically-otherwise everyone else on the island could be related too. Locke could be Aaron's grandfather according to this theory....Or heck, Desmond could be the father! Sorry guys, don't think this theory works.

Yes. All black people are related. Nice catch. Eko is also Walt's brother. :lol:

Yeah, I hate it. Everyone has these "Rose is the real Henry's sister" theorys and all that crap. Not all black people are related!

Shardyk/caseyagain: Let's keep the discussion civil...there's plenty of speculation regarding various relationships between all the characters, whether blood relationships or other types. You may disagree with the spec, but there's no reason to bring up race in that manner.

Yes, she is, good catch!!!

I've missed something, when did we find out Rose was Walts Grandma. :undecide:

I've missed something, when did we find out Rose was Walts Grandma. :undecide:

We didn't. It's just a theory.

Thinking about it some more, everyone keeps saying Rose had cancer. We didn't really hear anyone say cancer though. Remission is just remission. It's not just a term that is related to cancer. Maybe Rose had a blood disorder, as in the same kind that killed Susan. It could be a genetic thing. ;)

We didn't. It's just a theory.

Thinking about it some more, everyone keeps saying Rose had cancer. We didn't really hear anyone say cancer though. Remission is just remission. It's not just a term that is related to cancer. Maybe Rose had a blood disorder, as in the same kind that killed Susan. It could be a genetic thing. ;)

They way she was sick though is more indicative of cancer than of a blood disorder. Didn't she say cancer at the dinner when Bernard asked her to marry him?

Didn't Walt see Rose, wouldn't he have been "Grandma!" Unless she is Mike's mom, then he wouldn't know her, but Mike would!

Wait I thought Rose said she never had kids

yeah but walt would have seen pictures..if not at the very least knew micheals and walts name...they would have figured that out

They way she was sick though is more indicative of cancer than of a blood disorder. Didn't she say cancer at the dinner when Bernard asked her to marry him? She never did. She said she was "in remission," that doesn't necessarily mean cancer.
Wait I thought Rose said she never had kids Nope. I don't think she ever said that.
yeah but walt would have seen pictures..if not at the very least knew micheals and walts name...they would have figured that outI gotta probably agree with this. If Rose had been Susan's mom, I'm sure Walt would have seen photos. And, unless it's an adoptive thing, I think Rose and Michael would have recognized each other on the island.

Didn't Walt see Rose, wouldn't he have been "Grandma!" Unless she is Mike's mom, then he wouldn't know her, but Mike would!

Well, I don't know what the OP had in mind, but when I speculated on this long ago, I thought that perhaps Susan and Rose had become estranged prior to Susan's relationship with Michael. If that were the case, there would be no way for Rose to know about Michael or Walt. Also, Susan had a lot of secrets. Walt had never seen the cards and letters that Michael sent either. If Susan wasn't exactly nostalgic about her past and family, she may never have show Walt any family pictures. Even if she had, Rose might look much different now, especially after having been sick.

She never did. She said she was "in remission," that doesn't necessarily mean cancer.
Nope. I don't think she ever said that.
I gotta probably agree with this. If Rose had been Susan's mom, I'm sure Walt would have seen photos. And, unless it's an adoptive thing, I think Rose and Michael would have recognized each other on the island.

I don't recall her ever having said those things either. Since I've had this in the back of my mind for a long time, I think I would remember something like that. Also, a search of the transcripts at losthatch.com of Rose's lines doesn't return any results for children or cancer FWIW.

Well, I don't know what the OP had in mind, but when I speculated on this long ago, I thought that perhaps Susan and Rose had become estranged prior to Susan's relationship with Michael. If that were the case, there would be no way for Rose to know about Michael or Walt. Also, Susan had a lot of secrets. Walt had never seen the cards and letters that Michael sent either. If Susan wasn't exactly nostalgic about her past and family, she may never have show Walt any family pictures. Even if she had, Rose might look much different now, especially after having been sick.

I don't recall her ever having said those things either. Since I've had this in the back of my mind for a long time, I think I would remember something like that. Also, a search of the transcripts at losthatch.com of Rose's lines doesn't return any results for children or cancer FWIW.

Shoot, that's a really, really good point about Susan keeping secrets like the letters Michael wrote to Walt. If she were estranged from her mother - in this case, Rose - that would make sense. In any case, I think that if Rose were Walt's grandmother it would have to be Susan's estranged mother, as you said. Or, as I previously surmised, an adoptive thing with Michael. Although... Michael did mention his father (who Walt was named for) so I would think (?) he would know his mother. But this is Lost, lol. :rolleyes:

They found a way to hook Ana-lucia to Christian, so I guess anything is possible...

There's no way Rose is Walts grandmother.

It sounds plausible to me. Susan could have done something really bad, or mean, or maybe Susan just wanted to leave her family like others said. And for Walt recognizing Rose: If Walt saw Michael walking down the street 1 week before he came and got him, he would have had no idea who it was. Susan could have completely cut off pictures from Walt of Rose, and she might have not had Michael meet her parents. Not to mention Rose, Michael, Walt and Susan all lived in NYC. And, We all know how Lost loves to have insane twists. What about Jack and Claire possibly being half-siblings?

I proposed that Susan was estranged from her family, thus Rose may not even be aware of Walt's and Michael's existences prior to the crash. It made sense to me that Rose and Bernard might have been in Australia because of Susan's death. The reason I thought that was because of what Rose told Charlie about having some sob stories back when he was all depressed about Claire's abduction.:smile:

I was under the impression that the reason they were in Australia was because Bernard had located the healer. Also, I doubt Rose and Susan had the same malady because I propose that Walt's stepfather was an employee of Hanso keeping an eye on Walt, and she was murdered by him. Kinda strange the funeral was so immediate. It got Michael on the plane, didn't it? Didn't anyone else catch the shot of the huge Dharma Initiative logo on the ceiling of the stepfather's place?

Didn't anyone else catch the shot of the huge Dharma Initiative logo on the ceiling of the stepfather's place?

I missed that completely, did anyone else catch this logo?

Although... Michael did mention his father (who Walt was named for) so I would think (?) he would know his mother. But this is Lost, lol. :rolleyes:

Michael was on the phone with his mother at the airport and said something like, "I wasn't supposed to be like this." So we can connect Michael to his mom.

I also thought Rose mentioned that shed had grown children in S1. Guess I'll just have to go watch... :rolleyes:

H.F. - I saw a screencap of the logo over Michael's head in the apartment, but now I can't find it anywhere. I've searched high and low, but I can't remember the name of the episode where Michael goes to pick up Walt. If you know the episode, you'll probably find the screencap. Or, if you have the episode recorded or on DVD, well, you know what to do. ;)

This sounds possible but I'm not sure if it's the case. I think Rose did say she had grown children but not sure either. As for the logo in Michael's apt, I don't ever recall seeing that or reading about it. I'd guess that it would have been pretty heavily talked about if it had been noticed. I'll have to go back and watch my DVD.