I thought the ending was very strange. First Sayid starts talking to Charlie about the captive they're keeping in the hatch. Then he explains to Charlie why he knows that this man is an Other. B/c he can "feel it". And these Others are evil people. They hung Charlie, took Claire... which he says Jack and Locke have already forgotten about. But why did he ask Charlie, "Have you forgotten?" That seemed the most strange to me. At first I thought that maybe before Jack broke into the room, Henry told him he was actually an Other and that maybe Charlie is a spy for them. But that was just b/c of the way Sayid was looking at him. But that wouldn't make too much sense b/c if they needed him as a spy why would they hang him?? (of course I mean that he became a spy after he was abducted with Claire and the only way the Others would spare him is if he became a spy for them.)

So what do you guys think??

I think that the reason that sayid had asked him if he had forgotten...is because he is looking for support...to fight the others...with any means...such as torture of a captive. He knows that jack doesnt agree w./ his methods...therefore he is looking to someone who's life has been threatened..almost taken...by an other....for support. Not that he thought charlie is a spy.

If he was a spy then it was a pretty good set-up as regards hanging him from that tree. Afterall, Jack would have known if he hadn't actually been at death's door. Unless Charlie is an accomplished Ninja or similarly trained expert, there is no way he could have faked being that close to death. I think Sayid was speaking to Charlie like that because he knows Charlie detests the Others, and maybe Sayid wants some backup (besides Locke) in an attempt to 'deal with' Gale and/or the Others.

Having said that, I, like you, did find that conversation a little strange as a conclusion to the episode, but not sure I can agree with what you've said as regards Charlie.
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I think the writers were using Sayid as a mouthpiece to address the viewing audience through Charlie - i.e. they were giving the viewers a wake up call about becoming complacent and forgetting what's happened on the island because some serious bad stuff is about to start going down.

I think that the reason that sayid had asked him if he had forgotten...is because he is looking for support...to fight the others...with any means...such as torture of a captive. He knows that jack doesnt agree w./ his methods...therefore he is looking to someone who's life has been threatened..almost taken...by an other....for support. Not that he thought charlie is a spy.




I agree with this...Looking for support in doing what he feels must be done. It seems to me that a couple of different things are happening at once in terms of our Lostaways. First is a trend toward coalition-building....the "armies" referred to or dividing into camps within the camp, as with Sayid and Chuckie, Sawyer and whoever might want a "piece", Jack and AL, etc. Personally, I think this is likely the beginning of the end, and lest we forget, this splitting up is exactly what Jack himself warned against. Speaking of Jack, I think he and some of the other Lostaways are beginning to show signs of the "sickness", i.e., irrational, schizo behavior. Jack is all over the map behavior-wise. One minute he's ready to run off armed to the teeth into a jungle full of kidnapping, murderous others, smoke monsters, tree-puller-uppers, polar bears, etc., and now we just shouldn't beat on the poor stanger wandering innocently through the jungle....wouldn't be "humane"....schizo, indeed.

I think Syaid went to Charlie for one simple reason. Charlie is the one person on the island who at this time is as angry as Syaid is.

Syaid blames the others for Shannons death. If Ana hadn't been scared to dead of them, the shooting never would have happend.

Charlie is basically an out cast and has lost Claire because of the others. If they hadn't kidnapped her once already. Charlie may not have acted on his dreams.

I think he went to Charlie, beacause like Ana Lucia said, " You all think your safe here", Sayid realizes that more may be at work then what people realize, and is looking for support.

If they picked Charlie as a spy, they sure picked someone who is quite an idiot... sorry, I like Charlie okay, but he is not one of my favorite characters. To me it was kind of an interesting choice that he talked to Charlie, but maybe because everyone thought Charlie was crazy for doing what he did, and then now, those who witnessed what Sayid was doing thought he was crazy or inhumane. But yeah, maybe he was just reminding us, as the audience, that these 'others' are not humane, that they have the power to do such horrible things. 'Cause I wasn't thinking about how they hurt Charlie until he said that either... it truthfully was kinda hard to see Sayid torture that guy, even though I thought he IS an other... It was like a reminder, rules on the island are different than rules in everyday civilazation.

I was wondering how Sayid and Charlie came to be sitting together on the beach. I can't imagine the conversation that would have gotten them both there together. Just a bit strange to me.

Or this may be TPTB telling us "See, they do talk to one another about what's happening".

I really think the "Have you forgotten?" was their way of appeasing to the die-hard fans like us. In the early stages, the only thing our losties really had to worry about (island-wise anyways) was the monster -and then later on- the others. The others took Walt and Michael went and ran after them. Nobody has really even made mention of these two in a really long time.

To me, it was their way of telling us that they're finally going to get the main story back on track.

I was wondering how Sayid and Charlie came to be sitting together on the beach. I can't imagine the conversation that would have gotten them both there together. Just a bit strange to me.

I wondered whether it might have been much like the conversation between Sayid and Hurley in The Long Con that lef to their second conversation (where they listened to the broadcast on the receiver). Just a thought.

Charlie was sitting on the beach and Syaid walked over to him. For the purpose to telling Charlie what he did.
Besides Syaid, Charlie is the most angery person on the island. He would be the easiest to convince to ack on a plan of revenge against the others.

I agree Laurieg, and wasn't wanting to get into theorising about how that conversation began. Sayid went to Charlie because he knew Charlie would have sympathy for Sayid's position - that being, IMHO, that Sayid wants enough people on his side in order to pursuade Jack that the Others need to be dealt with using Sayid's methods.

IMO the ending had echoes of Ana and Jack's talk about the army....Sayid reaching out for an ally just like Jack did.

I don't think Sayid was reaching out to Charlie for an ally. I'm more of the opinion that Sayid is suspicious of Charlie, considering his memory loss after the kidnapping by Ethan, and his bizarre behavior of late. I think Sayid told Charlie of the torture as a cautionary tale. I searched for a specific thread on "One of Us" that theorizes this as well. Couldn't track it down (I'm pre-caffeinated on a Sunday morning yet!), but this dynamic is also discussed here: http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=37777&highlight=sayid+charlie