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lost34 02-18-2006, 12:48 PM Let us start a list of things we know as facts, not mere speculation:
1. People boarded what they believed was a flight from Sydney to LA.
2. The Losties believed that the plane crashed.
3. The climate where the survivors are at is tropical.
4. The main setting of the show is on a beach and the jungle.
5. The Losties found at least two bunkers.
6. Jack believes that he is a doctor.
7. Locke believes he used to be unable to walk.
8. Sayid believes that he was an Iraqi soldier.
9. Claire had a baby.
10. The Losties believe that there have been some deaths, including Shannon and Boone.
11. The Losties have weapons.
12. Desmond and Jack appeared to have recognized each other from their pasts.
13. A computer is in the bunker.
14. Food is stocked in the bunker.
15. The survivors watched a filmstrip that was in the bunker, telling them they need to punch in the numbers on the computer every 108 minutes.
16. Sawyer believes he is a con man.
17. Kate believes that she killed her real father.
18. Hurley believes that he won the lottery and as a result of the numbers has bad luck.
19. Hurley believes that he was in a psych ward.
20. Some "other" people on the island have taken survivors, including Walt.
21. Eko believes that a plane his brother was in crashed on this very island.
22. The Losties believe they have seen polar bears.
I need to stop here. Help me out with this. Thank You.
EasterEgg 02-18-2006, 12:57 PM 23. Jack believes his father's coffin was empty when he found it
24. Many people saw two dead bodies in the caves (adam and eve)
25. Rousseau believes she lost her teammates to an illness and her child to a kidnapping
26. the losties have medications
27. charlie has experienced vivid dreams/hallucinations
lacenaire 02-18-2006, 01:01 PM I dispute #27.
As far as I know, he really rescued Aaron from the sea, or did he not?
It was more than a dream, it was a trance, a mixture of reality and fantasy.
What was real and what wasn't is really uncertain.
EasterEgg 02-18-2006, 01:13 PM Accepted; I think that I'm recalling his experiences of being in a situation and suddenly being brought back to "reality", which I've tried to capture as the experience of a "vivid dream".
#27 Charlie has experienced a vivid heightened state involving a combination of reality and fantasy
lost34 02-18-2006, 02:34 PM 28. A man, claiming to be Henry Gale was captured by the losties and "interrogated and beaten" by Sayid.
29. Eko appeared to find his dead brother on a plane that Eko was supposed to be on.
rob1217 02-18-2006, 06:14 PM 30. Sawyer believes to have met Jack's father in Australia.
31. Locke was conned out of his kidney by a man who he believed to be his father.
32. Sawyer appeared to have killed an innocent man that he believed to be the man who appeared to have conned his parents, who appear to have died days later.
33. Rousseau believes she has been stranded on the island for 16 years
34. Charlie believes he killed Ethan
Agent 99 02-18-2006, 06:35 PM Sorry to intrude - I think this thread is a great idea! I'm going to think on this and add some facts of my own later, but I just wanted to say that has the potential to be a a nice companion list to the "Big Unanswered Questions List".
I Suggest: The Big List of Known Facts and Safe/Logical Assumptions.
I also suggest that if the thread flourishes, it might be worthy of sticky.
lost34 02-19-2006, 08:14 AM 35. The Losties found dynamite on a ship called the "Black Rock" that was somehow pretty deep inland.
36. The bunker has "quarantine" written on the inside of the hatch and bunker door.
37. Desmond supposedly told Jack (in Jack's flashback) that he was training for "a solo race around the world".
EasterEgg 02-19-2006, 01:09 PM I'd like to amend #31 to read that Locke believes he gave his kidney....what's working for me about thinking this way is to allow all flashbacks to inform what the characters believe to be true, which informs their actions, but we're not assuming yet that it has all actually occured.
Is that needlessly pedantic?
38. Sayid found a cable which led oceanward and inland; inland led to Rousseau's habitat, oceanward is still unknown.
39. Michael experienced a dialogue exchange with someone he believed to Walt via the hatch computer
40. when the countdown clock reached "zero" Locke saw a set of symbols appear where the numbers had been and heard a grinding noise
41. the "correct" numerical sequence has been entered after the timer reached zero and the timer could still reset
42. Kate and Sawyer believe they have seen a horse on the island; Kate thinks she even touched it.
43. Shannon and Sayid believe they saw Walt after he was kidnapped; no physical contact occurred
LOSTrocksmyREDSOX 02-19-2006, 03:51 PM wait you are saying that these people beleive... what do you mean, that is what happened in their past.
lost34 02-19-2006, 06:33 PM wait you are saying that these people beleive... what do you mean, that is what happened in their past.
We are led to believe that this definitely happened in their past, but some people speculate that their memories were somehow given to them (i.e. brainwashing, transplanting, cloning, etc.).
We can't know for a fact that any of that really happened. We have no proof.
Dr. Suds 02-25-2006, 01:17 AM 25. Rousseau believes she lost her teammates to an illness and her child to a kidnapping.
I challenge. Oops, wrong game. Anyway, not a safe assumption, and I think she doesn't believe a bit of the story she's been told to tell.
31. Locke was conned out of his kidney by a man who he believed to be his father.
32. Sawyer appeared to have killed an innocent man that he believed to be the man who appeared to have conned his parents, who appear to have died days later.
33. Rousseau believes she has been stranded on the island for 16 years.
Re 31, I'm not absolutely sure Locke is missing a kidney. He probably is, but I believe the "kidney donation" was a cover for a completely different operation.
Re 32, I'd just say his victim may have been innocent. "Appeared...innocent" is too strong an inference, sorry.
33 I don't believe at all. I think Rousseau is simply an actor, and knows her whole spiel is phony.
35. The Losties found dynamite on a ship called the "Black Rock" that was somehow pretty deep inland.
"...sticks that were ostensibly dynamite...." I think they were remotely controlled explosives, and considerably less powerful than dynamite sticks would've been.
Robert
Charlie 02-25-2006, 01:56 AM *bookmarking for future reference*
Thanks lost. :)
lost34 02-25-2006, 07:37 AM *bookmarking for future reference*
Thanks lost. :)
No problem. It's pretty obvious that we don't have many facts.
blaenau2000 02-25-2006, 09:46 AM Fact - 34 Eko and Charlie have seen a smoke monster on the island.
Charlie 02-25-2006, 07:20 PM No problem. It's pretty obvious that we don't have many facts.
This is very true. :p But even that is good to know.
skyatnight 02-25-2006, 07:44 PM "15. The survivors watched a filmstrip that was in the bunker, telling them they need to punch in the numbers on the computer every 108 minutes."
It was a MM movie. A filmstrip does not show motion and is advanced one frame at a time.
35 We know the movie was spliced.
36 We know at least one thing (more film) was hidden in the books.
37 We know there are skeletons in chains inside the Black Rock.
38 We know the Black Rock is a wooden sailing brig. (Why don't they search the ship for a log or information?)
Dr. Suds 02-25-2006, 08:19 PM Fact - 34 Eko and Charlie have seen a smoke monster on the island.
Let's say "a `monster' that looked smokelike". Or a cloud that appeared smokelike but seemed to move under intelligent control.
bigmattyh 02-25-2006, 08:40 PM This exercise could get pretty absurd pretty fast...
If everything we've seen on Lost can be reduced to a matter of belief or questionable memories or hallucinations, then absolutely everything is up for grabs, and we can't be sure of any facts whatsoever.
Wouldn't it just be easier, and more useful, to compile a list of unresolved questions/issues instead?
Charlie 02-25-2006, 08:45 PM This exercise could get pretty absurd pretty fast...
If everything we've seen on Lost can be reduced to a matter of belief or questionable memories or hallucinations, then absolutely everything is up for grabs, and we can't be sure of any facts whatsoever.
Wouldn't it just be easier, and more useful, to compile a list of unresolved questions/issues instead?
goddessblue has already done that very thing. :) Here- http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=24628
Sam G 02-25-2006, 09:24 PM 44. Kate believes that her childhood friend/boyfriend Tom is dead.
45. Locke, Kate, Jacke and Hurley believe that they saw Leslie Arzt blow up.
46. A-L, Libby, Mr. Eko, Jin, Sawyer & Michael believe that the Others took Cindy.
47. A-L believes that Goodwin was an Other.
48. Locke believes he's looked into the eye of this island. And what he saw was beautiful.
coupons 02-25-2006, 10:09 PM "15. The survivors watched a filmstrip that was in the bunker, telling them they need to punch in the numbers on the computer every 108 minutes."
It was a MM movie. A filmstrip does not show motion and is advanced one frame at a time.
35 We know the movie was spliced.
36 We know at least one thing (more film) was hidden in the books.
37 We know there are skeletons in chains inside the Black Rock.
38 We know the Black Rock is a wooden sailing brig. (Why don't they search the ship for a log or information?) Wood U believe our Lostees didn't bother to keep a log
3 were perched in a tree pilot, Bernard, and 'priest'
3 were trapped with the aid of a tree Sayid, Charlie, Henry
3 trees were Xed by Eko
a bark out for Vincent who does more exploring than people
Charlie 02-25-2006, 10:20 PM One thing that we, or the topic creator should define is what these facts pertain to. Because we have a whole thread of facts on the Numbers, and there are other things like the LLL which have a bunch of facts regarding what we've seen, etc. I don't really know how to define what I mean... So far, this thread seems to more or less be trying to provide us with facts regarding the island or the experience that the castaways have had on the island (very broad group). Which is fine. I just thought of this... because if you begin looking at this topic with a different mindset, one could provide a ton of facts. But who knows if that's what you want, lol. Now I've rambled on far too long, really, I'm sorry.
lost34 02-26-2006, 07:23 AM One thing that we, or the topic creator should define is what these facts pertain to. Because we have a whole thread of facts on the Numbers, and there are other things like the LLL which have a bunch of facts regarding what we've seen, etc. I don't really know how to define what I mean... So far, this thread seems to more or less be trying to provide us with facts regarding the island or the experience that the castaways have had on the island (very broad group). Which is fine. I just thought of this... because if you begin looking at this topic with a different mindset, one could provide a ton of facts. But who knows if that's what you want, lol. Now I've rambled on far too long, really, I'm sorry.
I was just hoping that, by documenting things we know or seem to know as facts that we can have a long list to look back on and say, this ties into that or this doesn't make sense because this has already happened. The more info. we can get on here, the more ammo we will have for creating or debunking theories and clues.
Sam G 02-26-2006, 11:52 AM I was just hoping that, by documenting things we know or seem to know as facts that we can have a long list to look back on and say, this ties into that or this doesn't make sense because this has already happened. The more info. we can get on here, the more ammo we will have for creating or debunking theories and clues. http://longlostlist.kazorum.com/longlostlist.html You might look here. This information that has been compiled from mostly the Fuselage.http://longlostlist.kazorum.com/longlostlist.html
lost34 03-03-2006, 10:36 AM 49. Ethan injected Claire with a substance that appears to be the same that Desmond injected himself with.
50. Rousseau appeared to save Claire from Ethan and the DHARMA doctors.
51. Zeke was in disguise
52. The DHARMA doctors had a furnished room just for Claire's baby, complete with a mobile made of Oceanic airplanes.
53. Eko has been marking and cutting down trees.
54. Claire was drugged, either through injections, or more likely, through some sort of drink that Ethan was giving her.
ihatetv 03-03-2006, 04:08 PM hey Lost, i like the idea of a list of facts (i recommend Sledgeweb's site for this kind of interest in all things "known"), however i have to agree with "Charlie" for 2 reasons:
1. as for the overall plot, we can follow a multitude of threads, but the writers can ultimately resolve it in just as many ways. Barring a "deus ex machina" cop-out, this storyline at present could go in any direction and thus be resolved with a myriad of plausible answers in the final episode. And this is the case even given the "facts".
2. given the variety of characters and the ambiguity of their past lives and current behavior on the island, I do not believe we can record any "fact" past #4 on the list.
Regarding my second point... if you recall the complex story-telling of Verbal/Keyser Soze in the movie "The Usual Suspects", one can reach few conclusions about the veracity of any single thing that takes place in the film. The way to get at the "facts" is to re-view the film and pay close attention to the FBI character Jack Baer played by Giancarlo Esposito. He is the only reputable source.
So I suggest that it would be more fruitful to investigate the one character we can find to be that kind of source for "What we know for a fact".
knw what I mean?
lost34 03-03-2006, 04:51 PM Regarding my second point... if you recall the complex story-telling of Verbal/Keyser Soze in the movie "The Usual Suspects", one can reach few conclusions about the veracity of any single thing that takes place in the film. The way to get at the "facts" is to re-view the film and pay close attention to the FBI character Jack Baer played by Giancarlo Esposito. He is the only reputable source.
So I suggest that it would be more fruitful to investigate the one character we can find to be that kind of source for "What we know for a fact".
knw what I mean?
I love that movie! But how do you figure out which character to be the source of "What we know for a fact"? How would you come to that determination?
ihatetv 03-03-2006, 05:12 PM I love that movie! But how do you figure out which character to be the source of "What we know for a fact"? How would you come to that determination?
good question. not sure yet, but here's some loose theories to start that process of elimination...
Oceanic employees?
-the pilot was killed and Cindy vanished. i'm sure they'd have something to say about all this and that's why they were phased out.
On that note, someone without a filmed back story?
-Rose and Bernard
-Danielle
-Desmond (btw he's my fave)
Someone with a true connection to the Island?
-Hurley with the #s
-Jack with the earlier meeting with Desmond
Or on the flip side, someone who is not ostensibly connected to the island, but has a motive for this entire escapade.
-Sawyer, such a scammer, could this be a long con?
well, that's a start (i have to leave work now, EST Fri/5pm), but i have tried my "usual suspects method" in re-viewing episodes and have used that lens as a talking point with friends too. it's not rock-solid, but after epi 13, i'm really leaning toward a "ransom theory" of a Dharma behind-the-scenes fund-raising scam micro-managed on-site by Sawyer.
whew! gotta fly.
100%
oops. forgot about Mr. Eko.
he has a true connection to the island with his brother in the plane.
100%
Sam G 03-03-2006, 10:48 PM What I know for a fact is, we've been conned. Several steps of the way. We will continue to be conned, it is a part of LOST.
Charlie 03-03-2006, 10:51 PM What I know for a fact is, we've been conned. Several steps of the way. We will continue to be conned, it is a part of LOST.
Amen, sista!
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