I think it would be intersting if Kate stopped taking the follower role and became a leader in her own right

She goes along with Jack's plans and Locke's plans but often disagrees with them

Kate needs to make her own kind of music

Well she kind of DID try to make her own music the other day. She tried to get Locke to move the guns because she didn't like the way Jack was acting...and didn't trust Ana Lucia...

BUT it turned out in the end that Sawyer was pulling all THOSE strings...so really she was just listening to him ;)

Although she's not a leader, i wouldn't describe Kate as a follower either. She's smarter than some people think. I'd actually say that she leads in the woman's side.
But after her criminal past, i don't think anyone would let her take the lead of the group, we saw what happened when everyone found out that she was with the marshall on the plane.

Kate's character needs a bit more revelation. I don't think we really understand her yet. I think she is very powerful and needs to find direction for her strength. So much can be done with this character. I really look forward to her future.

Kate's not a leader, she likes to know what's happening but when it comes to the decisive part she can't do it.

I think Kate likes to be lead, not take on full responsibility, as most things she has taken into her own hands has lead to disaster; killing Wayne and feeling guilty/remorse, following in HP, ramming the cop car; killing Tom and continuing her life as fugitive. Her life as a fugitive has made her self-reliant; she has never had to take full responsibility for other people, however her island life can enable her to grow that skill, just hasn't shown strongly yet.

Don't get me wrong, I love Kates character, but I think at the moment she isn't ready to lead the 'whole' group. But does look like she gets a little leadership action when she's away from the guys, the next eppy shows her doing her own thing with the girls. Maybe this is a start of something...:smile:

As Locke says to Jack in WR, "A leader can't lead, untill he knows where he's going", and I don't think Kate has discovered that (herself) yet.

I love your response Jate48
That may be the anwser She doesn't know were to she is within herself

I love your response Jate48
That may be the anwser. She doesn't know where she is within herself

Thankyou, *bows* :smile:

It would be cool if she became a leader.

I guess Maternity Leave was where she stepped up into more leadership although she rationalized it as "Claire was going to go into the jungle looking for Rousseau anyway, so I'd better go so she won't get hurt". Still, I liked the fact that the episode was a Girls Day Out, especially after the previous epi was sort of Boys Night In.
When the writers were framing the pilot, they originally were going to kill off Jack in the pilot episode (instead of the plane's pilot), and have Kate emerge as the Island leader. Good thing they didn't go with that plan -- the character dynamics of Jack/Kate are much more interesting!

Although she's not a leader, i wouldn't describe Kate as a follower either. She's smarter than some people think. I'd actually say that she leads in the woman's side.
But after her criminal past, i don't think anyone would let her take the lead of the group, we saw what happened when everyone found out that she was with the marshall on the plane.

I don't consider Kate as the smartest woman on the island. If you would take a good long look, all them seem pretty capable . . . Sun, Claire (she's not as dense as one would think), Libby, Cindy, Rose (who seems to march to her own tune) and Ana-Lucia (who is an experienced cop).

Especially now that the characters are starting to get to know each other on a closer level, I can see Kate taking on a leadership role in a smaller group of people. Probally more with a group of women. I think she has had bad experiences with men and doesn't feel comfortable with men as much as she would with women.

Jate48...I loved what you said earlier about how Kate is not really sure where she is going yet and therefore can't lead until she knows. I agree with you. I think that Kate is a natural hero in that she has heroic instincts that she's not afraid of embracing. However, she recognized from the beginning that Jack was the one capable of leading on the island, and she agrees with him leading. This is why she follows him, not b/c she feels she has to, but b/c she respects him as the leader. I do feel that Kate will take on more of a leadership role when she figures out what her destiny is on the island. Each character gets one episode where they will have the "awakening eye." It's where the episode will start with that character's eye awakening. This is symbolic of that character realizing their destiny in that episode. Kate hasn't had hers yet, so we can assume that she is not sure of her destiny and purpose on the island yet. Once she finds out what that purpose is, I think she will be in a better place to lead. She has the ability to lead. She just needs the confidence and security to do it.

Kate is clearly as Jate48 mentioned someone who has yet to find herself completely. I also think that on a certain level Kate is a pretty honest character. You can plainly see that she is Lost -- while others like Jack, Locke and Sawyer pretend to know what they are doing and that they are in control -- Kate is clearly confused. I'm not sure I expressed that well because we all know that she is also a liar. I don't think she can lead until she clarifies who she is and where she wants to take her stand.

Kate is clearly as Jate48 mentioned someone who has yet to find herself completely. I also think that on a certain level Kate is a pretty honest character. You can plainly see that she is Lost -- while others like Jack, Locke and Sawyer pretend to know what they are doing and that they are in control -- Kate is clearly confused. I'm not sure I expressed that well because we all know that she is also a liar. I don't think she can lead until she clarifies who she is and where she wants to take her stand.

Thanks Jen, I agree also with what you said about "the awakening eye" and how Kate hasn't gotten hers.
I need to go back and read my post *hoping I don't repeat myself*

And, notlost, I also agree, I think Kate is a pretty honest character to herself, not so much to others cause of her trust issues, but definately to herself. Thus is why she ran and doesn't seem to trick herself into believing she hasn't committed those crimes, ie. her guilt that she seems to carry. Again, she has so many troubles that she couldn't be the sufficient leader that she can be, yet. She's definately getting there I think, slowly but surely.

I can't believe what I'm reading about Kate on this thread. I feel as if I have encountered a wall of illusions about the character.

At the moment, Kate is far from being an effective leader or anything else. And she's not the only character capable of taking charge. Yet, many seemed to harbor this belief that she is. I realize that you like her, but . . . WTF?:confused:

When did Kate ever express guilt for killing Wayne?

Who said she expressed her guilt? I do not in any way shape or form consider Kate ready to lead. We've been discussing the fact that she can't take on leadership until she comes to know who she is. Perhaps she'll deal with what she did to Wayne and others, then. But she certaintly has leadership potential, but her own flaws get in the way.