Personally I think she'll go for the first or third option. Sun is so selfless and peaceful. She will not want to inflict violence on Charlie and Sawyer even though they frightened and attacked her.

Sun may not be the first to find out though...

I think Sun has already guessed that it was engineered by Sawyer , but I don't think she knows that Charlie was the one who physically dragged her from the garden.

I think they've pretty much figured out Sawyer had a hand in the attack, but I don't think they know who was the actual attacker. Sun might have an idea of who it is, just by process of elimination.

I think she already knows and soon enough she will let Charlie know that she knows and Charlie will prob freak out and do something bad again!

Sun wouldn't tell Jin cause she knows he would go crazy! Instead she'll tell somebody else, most likely Kate, and they'll guilt Charlie over it.

If she knows or has guessed it, I don't think she'll tell anyone, not even Kate (she has to know Kate would tell Jack), because of the explosion of tempers, paranoia, and possible violence the knowledge would cause in the group. Damage is already done, I think she might be afraid that only more would come of the revelation. IMO Sun is a protector, she'll protect Jin and the group.

I do think she'll forgive Charlie at some point and try to understand.

I also believe that Sun's a very smart woman who has survived living with too many dangerous, violent men to do anything without thinking it all the way through to all the possible conclusions. I think she'll play this one close to the vest.

If she knows or has guessed it, I don't think she'll tell anyone, not even Kate (she has to know Kate would tell Jack), because of the explosion of tempers, paranoia, and possible violence the knowledge would cause in the group. Damage is already done, I think she might be afraid that only more would come of the revelation.

I do think she'll forgive Charlie at some point and try to understand. I also believe that she's lived with too many dangerous, violent men to do anything without thinking it all the way through to the possible conclusions. I think she'll play this one close to the vest.


I can imagine a scene some time in the future when Charlie gets a guilty conscience and goes to Sun privately and tells her what he did. At which point Sun will tell him that she had already worked it out and she forgives him...bless.

Personally I think she'll go for the first or third option. Sun is so selfless and peaceful. She will not want to inflict violence on Charlie and Sawyer even though they frightened and attacked her.

Sun may not be the first to find out though...

I agree with you, Captain_Falafel, I don't think she would want to see them hurt. And she probably wouldn't want to tell Jin because of that, but I think she would tell Kate.And Kate,being Kate would A.)Confront Sawyer about it B.)Tell Jack, or most likely, C.)Do both

I'm not sure if Sun knows that it's Charlie that did it to her. I think she has an idea that Sawyer is possibly involved, maybe not. Any human would be angry if they found out that the people they're suppose to feel safe around were involved in their attack. I do think that she would eventually forgive Charlie and I think Charlie would tell who put him up to it too.

I think if she found out, she would most likely tell Kate or Jack, since she seems to trust them the most but definetely not Jin, because she wound not want to see Charlie or Sawyer get hurt. Because Sun's too nice for that. :smile:

I've thought alot about this and I think that she doesn't know right now because for her she just woke up after it happened (having no clue who it was but probably suspecting an 'Other') and then Sawyer came and made his speech. I don't think they would have talked about it much before Sawyer's speech cause everyone just assumed it was the 'Others'. As for post-Sawyer's speech, unless someone played out for her what all happened with everyone else (Jin freaking and going to the guns with Jack, Locke was in the hatch) than there is probably no reason for her to suspect that it was someone other than an 'Other'.

However, I agree with what everyone has said and I think that Sun is a very intelligent woman and if she hasn't figured it out, eventually she will. I believe that Charlie has a guilty conscience and that eventually, one way or another, he will reveal it to her. I, personally, can't wait to see that happen.

Perhaps in the upcoming Sun centric episode 'The Whole Truth', which would be awesome.

At that point, I think she will be forgiving but she won't forget it and may feel that she must tell at least Jack considering the fears he, in particular, has concerning the Others. I wouldn't be surprised if she tells Kate too. I can picture the scene :D.

You all seem to be forgetting that Sun is guilty of doing almost the exact same thing herself.

She plotted with Kate to poison her own husband and an innocent person, Michael got caught up in it and got hurt.

It was different in the sense that Sun never meant for Michael to get hurt and she 'did it for love' but that doesn't make it ok. I'm sure Michael, when he was bent over in pain didn't give a flying flip about the motive!

So this time she was the 'innocent' person who got caught up in someone else's schemes. To quote the whispers 'it came back around' for Sun.

So if she finds out, either through figuring it out on her own or Charlie confessing, I highly doubt she would be so hypocritical as to demand that Charlie be punished for doing something that she herself is also guilty of. I think she'll forgive him.

You all seem to be forgetting that Sun is guilty of doing almost the exact same thing herself.

She plotted with Kate to poison her own husband and an innocent person, Michael got caught up in it and got hurt.

It was different in the sense that Sun never meant for Michael to get hurt and she 'did it for love' but that doesn't make it ok. I'm sure Michael, when he was bent over in pain didn't give a flying flip about the motive!

So this time she was the 'innocent' person who got caught up in someone else's schemes. To quote the whispers 'it came back around' for Sun.

So if she finds out, either through figuring it out on her own or Charlie confessing, I highly doubt she would be so hypocritical as to demand that Charlie be punished for doing something that she herself is also guilty of. I think she'll forgive him.

Gee elf... there is a dead horse...why don't we kick it. :)

Charlie kidnapped a kid and set a fire at camp.... then got beat up for it. To quote the wispers "It came back around" looks like Charlie might be a little hypocritical...

Interesting comparision elf!

For some reason I've found Sun poisoning Micheal is very overlooked by fans, where as Charlie/Sawyers attack on Sun is considered appalling. I get the impression it is because Sun is a woman. The viewers react more to that.

Woman attacks innocent man (Sun poisoning Micheal) = no big deal.
Man attacks innocent man (Locke knocking out Sayid) = no big deal.
Man attacks innocent woman = suddenly everyone is up in arms.

Sexist, but that's the way it seems to be.

And as for this 'It will all come back around' business, Charlie's character is also in a strange loop don't you think?

Charlie Series 1 = is kidnapped by the Others, rescues Aaron from baby snatcher
Charlie Series 2 = becomes baby snatcher, kidnaps Sun pretending to be an Other

I actually think if Charlie (like Claire) starts to remember his own kidnap experience at the hands of the Others that may be what triggers his guilt - realising that he put Sun through an ordeal he has suffered himself.

Yes..Charlie is being hypocritical too. He was abducted and for him to turn around and do that to Sun was wrong wrong wrong. No one is disputing that one. To use her in his plot to get back at Locke is wrong wrong wrong.

But what we are discussing are Sun's possible reaction to the facts if they become known to her and one of them is if Charlie confesses all and is upfront about it is forgiveness and keeping it quiet.

Yes, Sun's crime does get overlooked. Sun is a more sympathetic character to begin with. We tend to forgive pretty women for crimes if they do it for 'love' although to me it was the same old same old crime..trying to control someone else's life. Poor Michael just happened to get caught in the middle of that and we know Sun felt horrible about it so keeping it quiet is a possibility..

Interesting comparision elf!

For some reason I've found Sun poisoning Micheal is very overlooked by fans, where as Charlie/Sawyers attack on Sun is considered appalling. I get the impression it is because Sun is a woman. The viewers react more to that.

Woman attacks innocent man (Sun poisoning Micheal) = no big deal.
Man attacks innocent man (Locke knocking out Sayid) = no big deal.
Man attacks innocent woman = suddenly everyone is up in arms.

Sexist, but that's the way it seems to be.

And as for this 'It will all come back around' business, Charlie's character is also in a strange loop don't you think?

Charlie Series 1 = is kidnapped by the Others, rescues Aaron from baby snatcher
Charlie Series 2 = becomes baby snatcher, kidnaps Sun pretending to be an Other

I actually think if Charlie (like Claire) starts to remember his own kidnap experience at the hands of the Others that may be what triggers his guilt - realising that he put Sun through an ordeal he has suffered himself.

Sun did her actions out of love. Charlie did his actions out of revenge. Sun did not mean to hurt michael.
Charlie did mean to cause harm to Sun not too much but a little, not just to harm sun but to eventually make locke look like a fool.
Sun felt so guilty for what she did!
Charlie reacted differently he was more concerned bout people finding out then being sorry for it,
I think thats why there is different reactions.

Sun did her actions out of love. .

So that makes it alright then?:rolleyes:

I personaly disagree that she did it for 'love' but that's just me. That would be like me not wanting my grown son to join the army so I poison him so he won't be able to go. It would be me trying to control his life, pure and simple which is what Sun was doing. Jin was a grown man and had made his decision. She had no buisness interferring in that way. She could have tried to stop him but you do it in a rational resonable manner...not by listening to Kate.

However I do agree with the the rest. She seems to have been very sorry and we don't see that kind of regret from Charlie as of yet. His statement about Sun never finding out is kind of ambigious. He could have meant it out of fear or out of remorse. Its kind of open to interpretation.

(and yes..if Charlie had just waited there would have been plenty of chances to 'get back at Locke' without involving other people but then Sawyer wouldn't have the guns and we wouldn't know that he had turned down the heroin yadda yadda....)

Sun did her actions out of love. Charlie did his actions out of revenge. Sun did not mean to hurt michael.
Charlie did mean to cause harm to Sun not too much but a little, not just to harm sun but to eventually make locke look like a fool.
Sun felt so guilty for what she did!
Charlie reacted differently he was more concerned bout people finding out then being sorry for it,
I think thats why there is different reactions.

Yeah, you're right. Big differences.
Still what about Locke attacking Sayid? Locke didn't show any guilt for that and nobody seems that appalled that he had whacked Sayid unconcious.

So that makes it alright then?:rolleyes:



No it doesn't make it alright. But that wasnt the point i was making. Sun didn't want her husband to leave her, she felt that if he went out to see he would die, she knew he would never listen to her so she felt this was the only way she could stop him, hence the love bit.

Charlie just basically used sun to get at Locke.

I voted that Sun all ready knows, but for lack of a better option. I think that eventually Sun will find out but she will keep it to her self and use it at a time that is most advantageous to her. Eventually, possibly, telling Kate or Jack. She's a calculating one and I think that she is very intelligent.

Well if Charlie was smart he would confess all right away and take his medicine...that way no one would be holding anything over his head.

But this is LOST and we all know how what is logical and reasonable rarely happens! :D

Well if Charlie was smart he would confess all right away and take his medicine...that way no one would be holding anything over his head.

But this is LOST and we all know how what is logical and reasonable rarely happens! :D

Lol. havin seen the pace of storylines so far we'll prob find out in episode 14 season 3 or something :biggrin:

But i've heard
That Jin finds out in episode 2.16. but im not sure if that is 100% true

I think if she does figure it out she'd either keep it to herself and talk to Charlie herself... give him a major guilt trip or (and this seems most likely) she'd tell Kate or Jack, probably Kate... I can't see her telling Jin and getting him all riled up. She has a tendancy so far to try and keep his temper down!!

If she knows or has guessed it, I don't think she'll tell anyone, not even Kate (she has to know Kate would tell Jack), because of the explosion of tempers, paranoia, and possible violence the knowledge would cause in the group. Damage is already done, I think she might be afraid that only more would come of the revelation. IMO Sun is a protector, she'll protect Jin and the group.

I do think she'll forgive Charlie at some point and try to understand.

I also believe that Sun's a very smart woman who has survived living with too many dangerous, violent men to do anything without thinking it all the way through to all the possible conclusions. I think she'll play this one close to the vest.

Yea, she is so understanding. I can totally see Charlie being remorseful later on but I think Sun will keep it to herself.

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Yes..Charlie is being hypocritical too. He was abducted and for him to turn around and do that to Sun was wrong wrong wrong. No one is disputing that one. To use her in his plot to get back at Locke is wrong wrong wrong.

But what we are discussing are Sun's possible reaction to the facts if they become known to her and one of them is if Charlie confesses all and is upfront about it is forgiveness and keeping it quiet.

Yes, Sun's crime does get overlooked. Sun is a more sympathetic character to begin with. We tend to forgive pretty women for crimes if they do it for 'love' although to me it was the same old same old crime..trying to control someone else's life. Poor Michael just happened to get caught in the middle of that and we know Sun felt horrible about it so keeping it quiet is a possibility..

Sun's wrongdoing was overlooked. But I don't think of it as the same crime. You gotta look at the whole situation and why she would resort to drastic measures.

First of all, that's her husband and she didn't mean to hurt anyone else. My husband is korean and a whole lot like Jin. I'll tell you that nothing she could have said would change his mind. Even if she was sick, he would have still gone on the raft. The last thing he said to her in Korean, was "I'm going to save you."

Come on Charlie did it out of revenge and he could have had sawyer beat him up and walk himself into the jungle and pretend to be hurt by the Others. lol

I would think she would want to keep it to herself, maybe she would hit charlie? but i think jin will find out and fight Charlie.

:rolleyes: Yea, she is so understanding. I can totally see Charlie being remorseful later on but I think Sun will keep it to herself.

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Sun's wrongdoing was overlooked. But I don't think of it as the same crime. You gotta look at the whole situation and why she would resort to drastic measures.

First of all, that's her husband and she didn't mean to hurt anyone else. My husband is korean and a whole lot like Jin. I'll tell you that nothing she could have said would change his mind. Even if she was sick, he would have still gone on the raft. The last thing he said to her in Korean, was "I'm going to save you."

Come on Charlie did it out of revenge and he could have had sawyer beat him up and walk himself into the jungle and pretend to be hurt by the Others. lol

So its ok for her to poision her husband as long as no one else gets hurt? Ok.....

If Michael took it to a court of law I highly doubt the judge would overlook it by saying "Its ok. You did it for Love'". :rolleyes:

But to go back on topic..I have no idea what Sun will do. At this point in time though..I don't think she would mention it to Jin.

I think Sun would forgive Sawyer and Charlie... and keep it quiet. She would not want Jin to find out. She does not like when her husband is violent and learning what Sawyer and Charlie did to her would make Jin act that way again.

About that Sun poisoning Michael thing... that was awful. Just as awful as what Charlie and Sawyer did to her. *Walt* could have been drinking the water. Seeing how seriously sick Michael was, could you just imagine the effect of the poison on a 10-year-old?

I dont think she'll tell Jin, she knows he'll go balistic on Sawyer and Charlie. I do think she'll tell Kate and/or Jack though. She and Kate seem to have become pretty good friends.

Come on Charlie did it out of revenge and he could have had sawyer beat him up and walk himself into the jungle and pretend to be hurt by the Others. lol

Ha! That would have been a good idea to avoid hurting poor Sun. Thing would the camp have cared about Charlie or Sawyer being kidnapped?

I think Jin will find out at the absolute worst moment, perhaps when Charlie is relying on him for something. I don't think Sun will tell Jin, but I am wondering how else Jin could find out with his English skills still needing to improve.

Ha! That would have been a good idea to avoid hurting poor Sun. Thing would the camp have cared about Charlie or Sawyer being kidnapped?

Part of the reason for the whole plan was to get back at Locke. His getting beat up wouldn't have made Locke look bad in front of everyone...

Yes..it was a stupid thing to do but Charlie wasn't really in the most rational mental place at the time.

I think Sun won't tell anyone. She'll surprise us and beat up Charlie herself. Then Jin will come in and ask what she's doing and that's when everyone will find out. lol. It could possibly happen. Sun has surprised us before.

That would be interesting but very hypocritical on Sun's part.

I think Sun would forgive Sawyer and Charlie... and keep it quiet. She would not want Jin to find out. She does not like when her husband is violent and learning what Sawyer and Charlie did to her would make Jin act that way again.

About that Sun poisoning Michael thing... that was awful. Just as awful as what Charlie and Sawyer did to her. *Walt* could have been drinking the water. Seeing how seriously sick Michael was, could you just imagine the effect of the poison on a 10-year-old?I dissagree completely.
1. Unlike Charlie, her motives weren't malicious, and motives are an important factor when judging a crime. Yes, they both did things that hurt other people, but she did what she did because, in her own word, she didn't want her husband to die on the raft. Charlie terrorised her purely out of revenge. Yes, what she did was foolish and maybe selfish, but what Charlie did was spiteful and evil.
2. She made sure she put in enough to make him sick, but not do any serious damage. Michael recovered the next day.

I hope she does learn about the attack, cause I'd hate for this plot-thread to be swept unde the rug. I don't like the idea of telling Jin and using him as her personal henchman, but it doesn’t feel right for a woman to forgive her attacker that easily. I voted for telling Jack, Kate and the other island leaders.

I dissagree completely.
1. Unlike Charlie, her motives weren't malicious, and motives are an important factor when judging a crime. Yes, they both did things that hurt other people, but she did what she did because, in her own word, she didn't want her husband to die on the raft. Charlie terrorised her purely out of revenge. Yes, what she did was foolish and maybe selfish, but what Charlie did was spiteful and evil.
2. She made sure she put in enough to make him sick, but not do any serious damage. Michael recovered the next day.

I hope she does learn about the attack, cause I'd hate for this plot-thread to be swept unde the rug. I don't like the idea of telling Jin and using him as her personal henchman, but it doesn’t feel right for a woman to forgive her attacker that easily. I voted for telling Jack, Kate and the other island leaders.

But the thing is not what the motives were but that fact that it was done at all. You don't go poisoning people no matter WHAT your motives and as someone mentioned it could just as easily have been Walt who took a drink from that bottle...it was not just a harmless little stunt done to keep her husband at home. She was taking a big chance and is lucky things turned out the way they did. She said she just gave him enough to make him 'sick' but even that can't be guareented. It makes me think of the true story of a slave woman who was going to sold away. She made a soup mixture that was supposed to just make her owners sick and she would care for them just to prove how valuable she was to them. She ended up killing several of the family members. She never 'meant' to hurt anyone...just prove her devotion. She still was executed for it.

If we go by the idea that Michael recovered quickly and no 'real' harm was done we could say the same of Sun. She was back working in her garden alone so she apparently isn't even suffering from any kind of post traumatic stress.

It feels right to me for her to forgive her attacker if she heard his whole story and IF he was truly sorry because she is no innocent herself.

That would be interesting but very hypocritical on Sun's part.

In total agreement elfdream. It would for sure be hypocritical of Sun. But it would be interesting as well. Just imagining Sun beating Charlie up is enough to make me laugh. And Charlie is such a gentlemen he'd be holding his arms up shouting "Wha' in bloody 'ell are you doin'?" lol.

It feels right to me for her to forgive her attacker if she heard his whole story and IF he was truly sorry because she is no innocent herself.

No one can truly condone Sun's actions. Attempting to poison her husband was wrong. That's indisputable. However, I really disagree with your last statement that I quoted above. Charlie basically used Sun in an attempt to mock and humiliate Locke in public. He could've done so in another way. I would hope Sun forgives Charlie out of the goodness of her heart, but it would still be something that would fuel Jin's anger all the more, once he hears of it.

When I said the WHOLE story I meant back to the begining. Back to where he wasn't 'using' but wasn't believed...and how Locke who used to be his mentor cut him off without a word and how the punches on the beach affected him and put him in a mental and emotional place that simply wasn't...rational. His side of the story in other words...(now Locke may well believe he was right from HIS side of the fence since he doesn't know what we know... but that's another episode)

However (and I might be in the minority on this one) I am ok with Sawyer having control of the guns. It was a nefarious and terrible way to go about it but I think in the long run it will be better if the firearms are out of the bunker. Don't want to say too much more as it might get spoilery.

It feels right to me for her to forgive her attacker if she heard his whole story and IF he was truly sorry because she is no innocent herself.I'm mentioning motives a lot because to me it doesn't seem right (or believable) for a Lostaway to quickly forgive Charlie’s actions when he explains the whole story, that he terrorised Sun as a means to get back at someone else.

Having said what I said, though, I hope Jin doesn't regress and attack Charlie. They have made milestones in achieving somewhat of a harmony within the group in Season two. Divisiveness and bickering won't do them any good.

either Sun will slap him ....keep it to herself and be afraid of charlie... jack will find out and charlie will be forced to leave the losties.

or jin will either kill charlie or beat the $hi+ out of him!

2. She made sure she put in enough to make him sick, but not do any serious damage. Michael recovered the next day. I'm afraid you did not get my point... I was talking about Walt and how he could have been the one drinking the water. She had enough poison (and how is poisoning an exact science? It's a dangerous game to play) to make a grown man very sick. Could you imagine the effect on Walt? Without any medical facilities on the island he could have died. At best he would have been in terrible pain. Would people forgive Sun as easily if she had inflicted so much pain on a child? What Kate and Sun did was as awful as what Charlie and Sawyer did to her. The consequences of the poisoining could have been a lot worse...

I'm afraid you did not get my point... I was talking about Walt and how he could have been the one drinking the water. She had enough poison (and how is poisoning an exact science? It's a dangerous game to play) to make a grown man very sick. Could you imagine the effect on Walt? Without any medical facilities on the island he could have died. At best he would have been in terrible pain. Would people forgive Sun as easily if she had inflicted so much pain on a child? What Kate and Sun did was as awful as what Charlie and Sawyer did to her. The consequences of the poisoining could have been a lot worse...To avoid a this-character versus that-character argument, this will be my last post on the topic.

Yes, poisoning is a dangerous game, but the same thing could be said about assault. There are a lot of "could of’s" to both scenarios. An argument can be made that all the characters has done something deceptive and/or potentially dangerous. Sawyer could have died after Sayid accidentally stabbed him. Shannon could have fatally shot Locke. Could the audience forgive Charlie if he accidentally drowns Aaron in the ocean? Are all the characters as bad as each other? I don't believe so.

As the audience, we're asked to forgive a lot of sins from a lot of characters. If we're going to like ANY character on the show, than motive and remorse has to play a role in forgiving process. If/when both characters decide to come clean to their fellow survivors, I’ll completely understand if they have a harder time understanding and forgiving Charlie’s campaign for revenge compared to Sun’s foolish attempt to poison her husband.

All she has to do is point at Charlie and Jin will go "I have a message for you" on him.

I’ll completely understand if they have a harder time understanding and forgiving Charlie’s campaign for revenge compared to Sun’s foolish attempt to poison her husband.

And some of us of course..will not. Just seeing the words 'trying to poison her husband' sends chills through me.

Its not just because its Charlie. I would feel the same had it been any other character doing the actual abduction.

But then I was never a 'Sun' fan. I don't hate her or wish her dead or anything like that but personally I just don't see her appeal or why people are more willing to give her a break than any of the other characters. She has lied, connived, manipulated, plotted just as much as the rest of them and done all sorts of things and yet those are overlooked while similar actions for other characters characters are magnified... for reasons I don't comprehend. We could say she has mitigating circumstances but we could pull out mitigating circumstances for any one of the others...so why her crimes are overlooked is a bit of a mystery to me.

I think it is a very interesting parallel that people are drawing between Sun poisoning Michael during an attempt to keep Jin on the island and Charlie attacking Sun to get revenge on Locke.

I must admit Suns motives were much more sympathetic than Charlies as she acted out of love and despiration where as he acted out of hatred and spite.

But I think that Suns poisoning was potentially much more harmful that Charlies faux kidnap. Even though Sawyer and Charlie are low, I believe their plan was to scare Sun rather than to hurt her - even though she was hurt in her struggle I don't think this was really intentional.

But Sun knew whoever drunk that water would endure serious stomach pains.
She was deliberately inflicting pain upon an innocent person, which could be considered a form of assault too.

And as has been mentioned I agree that audiences would have taken Suns poisoning much more seriously if the victim had been Walt. One of the main reasons that Charlies crime was viewed as so much worse was because he attacked a woman. For this reason his crime is viewed as vastly more wicked than Locke attacking both Sayid and Boone in S1 - they were two innocent victims attacked from behind too, but because they were men, Locke was not so demonised for it. If Sun as an adult was seen hurting someone percieved as weaker than herself - a child - I think she might have come off much worse. But because her victim was a big strong man, viewers didn't care so much. I don't really like the double standards myself.

I love both Charlie and Sun, but they both have their dark sides.

I don't know if Sun has figured it out or not -- I mean a lot of us have jumped to conclusions about the losties telling each other things off camera -- it would be the same deal with jumping to conclusions about Sun knowing however PaceJunkie brought up a good point(if not on this thread in the Charlie section) that Sun may subconsioualy feel safe because somewhere deep down inside she knows who did it.

I kinda think that she would have acted a little differently toward Saywer when she asked for the pregnancy test if she had it all figured out.

As for how she'll react -- I think she realizes her husbands history of violence and I think she would keep it from him. Since she's the only one who speaks Korean I'm guessing that she's the only one who could reveal it to him.

I agree with Captain Falafel on this -- it's probably 1 or 3 since Sun is so gentle and forgiving.
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And as has been mentioned I agree that audiences would have taken Suns poisoning much more seriously if the victim had been Walt. One of the main reasons that Charlies crime was viewed as so much worse was because he attacked a woman. For this reason his crime is viewed as vastly more wicked than Locke attacking both Sayid and Boone in S1 - they were two innocent victims attacked from behind too, but because they were men, Locke was not so demonised for it. If Sun as an adult was seen hurting someone percieved as weaker than herself - a child - I think she might have come off much worse. But because her victim was a big strong man, viewers didn't care so much. I don't really like the double standards myself.

I love both Charlie and Sun, but they both have their dark sides.

I think you hit the nail on the head with that one Captain. The audience probably does see Sun as a defenseless woman whereas Michael was perceived as a strong man.Of course I also agree that the poison could have done far more damage than the kidnapping. If Charlie and Sawyer only were attempting to scare(which we know they were) then it was their plan to let her go. No harm no foul. The head injury was an accident.

Of course I think that a lot of people also have sympathy for Sun because they've seen the abuse that she has suffered at the hands of Jin firsthand (not just in flashbacks)so they have a tendency to overlook her mistakes.

Whereas with Charlie people have a tendency to misinterpret his past -- for some reason they can't seem to see his suffering -- therefore they have no sympathy for him.

ETA I know that the motive that Charlie gave Sawyer was revenge on Locke but is it possible that he may have also had other motives. Even thought he didn't take the statues we now know he took the guns. I'm just not so sure that there might not have been something else in the back of his mind although I agree that Charlie was probably still about half out of his mind when he helped Sawyer. In one thread I said something about the fact that he mght have still been being afftected by the whispers he had in his dream at that point.We don't see him sleeping soundly until the balloon trek.